=== salem_ is now known as _salem === mibofra is now known as Guest25588 === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === duflu_ is now known as duflu === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk === mibofra is now known as Guest54792 [06:51] good morning [06:54] morning === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:19] test [07:31] hi! ;) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === wesleyma` is now known as wesleymason === mibofra is now known as Guest66587 [08:47] Elleo: ping [08:48] sil2100: pong [08:48] intercepted! \o/ [09:09] man-in-the-middle'ed! [09:10] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Plastic Bag Free Day! 😃 [09:14] Kniple: hmm? [09:14] nothing popey, I just responded late to something. [09:14] ah :) [09:22] öwöw [09:29] Elleo: do you know how to create the click package for gallery? [09:56] Hmpf, can't find the complete source code for MediaTeks Little Kernel [10:01] sil2100: not sure, its been a long time since I've done anything with gallery [10:01] sil2100: will take a quick look see if I can remember [10:01] Elleo: since bfiller is on holidays today, we released a new deb for gallery and now need the new click uploaded - I could probably find someone that could upload it, but first I need the new click built from trunk [10:01] Elleo: thanks :) [10:09] sil2100: I'm assuming from the click-build script that gallery isn't normally built as a fat package or anything? just armhf? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:12] Elleo: it's certainly not a fat package in the store http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/07/2015-07-03-050001/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1183_armhf.click [10:13] brb [10:13] Oh nice, if you keep all three buttons pressed on krillin/arale it will directly boot into Fastboot mode [10:13] popey: okay, cool; that makes things simple then === zyga_ is now known as zyga [10:17] Oh, no, it's just krillin and probably vegetahd [10:17] arale boots so fast o_O [10:19] arale? [10:19] meizu? [10:22] SturmFlut, how long? [10:24] jrbt: ~22 seconds [10:24] * jrbt test with his nexus 4 [10:25] oh.. ok, 22s is fast, my n4 take 14s longer (36') [10:26] jrbt: krillin also takes around 38 seconds [10:26] 43 here for krillin [10:26] holy cow! [10:27] Elleo: did you _want_ a fat package for gallery? [10:28] popey: not if that's not what's normally uploaded, sil just asked me to try and build a gallery click for him as bfiller's not around [10:28] ok [10:43] sil2100: is it okay that I compiled against rc-proposed? [10:43] sil2100: if not I'll need to reflash a device to stable as the click build script seems to expect to build on device rather than crossbuild in a chroot [10:45] sil2100: here's the click from that: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1208_armhf.click [10:45] sil2100: do you need me to run it through any test plan or anything? [10:51] hm, I think it should be fine [10:54] popey: to publish a click to the store, do you only need the new click package? [10:54] Elleo: thanks! :) [10:55] sil2100: no problem :) [10:59] SturmFlut, when i did the very first boot optimization work my limit was 1min max boot time ... there is surely still room for optimization to speed it up even more [10:59] * ogra_ did only the low hanging fruit bits back then [10:59] sil2100: yes :) [11:00] (though not sure it is worth putting much time into upstart optimization given we'll switch to systemd at some point) [11:02] Elleo: sil2100 are all devices now on vivid or wily? (just wondering if building against rc-proposed may cause problems on those devices that are not? [11:03] popey: all devices are on vivid now, I mean... if you build against stable, you build against vivid [11:03] So it should be fine [11:03] ok [11:03] Especially that the .deb package has been built against things from rc-proposed [11:03] My knowledge about clicks is not high enough, but I suppose rc-proposed builds are fine? [11:04] popey: hmmm, I did find an older click for gallery [11:04] Without the automatic translation landing [11:05] I think Bill always built a new one before pushing to the store after a landing, so I would prefer to use the one built by Elleo (if it's safe) [11:05] sil2100: actually, that click says it has framework 14.10 [11:06] sil2100: so really it should probably be built against 14.10 to be safe [11:06] sil2100: or have its framework bumped up to 15.04 so it can't be installed on any devices that haven't upgraded [11:07] I think let's leave 14.10 then... I don't want us to do anything that bfiller isn't aware of [11:07] Elleo: can you build it somehow against 14.10? [11:07] is there any channel that still tracks 14.10? [11:07] hmmm [11:07] No [11:08] I don't think I can then :/ [11:08] Elleo: could you check what framework version did http://people.canonical.com/~bfiller/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1205_armhf.click have? [11:08] This is the one that bfiller generated for testing purposes [11:09] you can build in a chroot, can you not? [11:09] * popey is guessing :) [11:10] sil2100: ubuntu-sdk-14.10 [11:10] Yeah, so we'll have to stick with that, as that's what bfiller wanted to use probably [11:10] hmmm [11:10] popey: the click-build script in gallery doesn't do crossbuilding [11:11] oh [11:11] popey, sil2100: of course it's entirely possible that script is out of date and there is a way to crossbuild it that I'm unaware of [11:11] sil2100: might be worth asking artmello when he gets on, I think he's worked on gallery a lot more recently than me [11:11] I remember some jenkins job somewhere [11:12] But hmmm === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:12] Elleo: ok, we'll do so, for now let's hold [11:12] If he doesn't know, we can always publish the click that bfiller had for testing [11:12] Although I would prefer not... [11:12] sil2100: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/ [11:13] http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/263/ has r1205 [11:13] did you specifically want 1208? [11:13] (for translations?) [11:13] Yes, I checked how bfiller released previous clicks and he seems to rebuild after the deb release [11:13] sil2100: are you sure bfiller's actually off today? I can't remember him mentioning it but I forget plenty of stuff :P [11:14] Elleo: it's an US holiday [11:14] ;) [11:14] ah, okay [11:14] * popey presses the "build now" button so you get a r1280 armhf click if you need it [11:15] sil2100: fwiw, the click in bfiller's home directory is binary identical to the one at http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/263/ [11:16] so I would say he is providing you with the jenkins-made click [11:16] and as such those should be the ones you use. [11:16] IMHO [11:18] popey: thanks :) [11:18] Yeah, this was the jenkins job I remembered [11:18] Ok, I slowly move out now for lunch [11:18] popey: awesome, thanks :) [11:21] np === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:31] bah [11:31] "phablet 2658 45.8 0.9 369888 8920 ? Ssl 09:39 105:51 \_ /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/unity-scopes/scoperegistry [11:31] " [11:31] that's eating cpu for hours [11:31] who knows about that sort of issues and what is useful to include as debug info? [11:32] (that's bq on rc-proposed 56) [11:32] seb128, bug 1470750 [11:32] bug 1470750 in unity-scopes-api (Ubuntu) "scoperegistry uses 45% CPU after applying updates from the store, draining battery quickly" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470750 [11:32] jibel, thanks [11:33] it's not a leap second issue [11:34] I updated that device to 56 this morning [11:37] sil2100: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1208_armhf.click [11:41] I tried to install X like discussed on the mailing list. I failed and now I can't open some apps like the camera. I even reset the phone to factory default. Can anybody help me? Output from dmesg is found here http://pastebin.com/78D8dSCW [11:44] meles, well, re-flash it [11:45] if you made it writable thats the only sane way to get back to normal [11:45] *permanently writable that is [11:46] resetting to factory default assumes your readonly rootfs has never been changed [11:46] but you likely installed stuff in it [11:48] ogra_ flashing like it is described here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/? [11:48] meles, http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5 [11:49] well, in fact http://askubuntu.com/a/602037/217953 [11:50] _ogra ok, thank you! [12:00] Hi guys, I just got my Meizu MX, but if I turn it on, it stops on theubuntu logo [12:00] it has been there for over 15 min [12:01] Can I do anything but send it back? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:03] nocturn: did you try turning it off completely, and retry ? [12:03] praxy, yes. Same result [12:05] nocturn: I'm sure there are things you can try. But I'm not the expert here, I'm sure other people will have some suggestions [12:05] I suppose it's not an issue of it not being charged enough to start [12:06] praxy, I charged it fully first. It also gets really hot === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:10] nocturn: I'm trying to find info for you, I hope others here will pitch in :D [12:10] must be no fun to have this issue on a new device though [12:10] praxy, thanks! [12:10] I don't know if the MX getting hot is normal or not.. I have a BQ [12:12] praxy: which one? hows battery life? [12:14] tathhu: E5 HD. Battery life is pretty good, slightly worse than my Moto E I think, but not much. [12:15] what that even means :P [12:15] I think I did 4 or 5 days before needing my last charge, light usage, daily alarm, maybe an hour of calls. Wifi/data off when not needed. [12:16] praxy, I just booted it with volume up + power to get into recovery mode [12:16] it just gave an orange logo instead of a red one, that does not look good [12:17] praxy: thanks, i'm sure my 5's battery life will be about same as i get on my jolla, heavy usage and lasts about aday [12:18] popey, part of the wpa-ep landed. :) [12:20] nocturn: what are options from the recovery ? [12:20] only get the orange logo... no options [12:23] seb128, hi, is there anything else I can do to get landed? [12:24] mpt, not really, there are like 3 system settings changeset being in line already for landing, it's going to take a bit [12:24] mpt, maybe ask to jgdx if he can batch that with some other of the pending changes [12:24] jgdx, ^^^ ? :-) [12:26] nocturn: I would try again power + volume up or power + volume down [12:26] mpt, isn't that in a silo already? [12:26] mpt, do you even silo [12:27] mpt, In silo ubuntu/landing-022. Packages built. Testing pass. QA needs to sign off. [12:27] praxy, same result, it says recovery mode than orange logo [12:28] it's not certain it will land though, we're at the mercy of the trainguards/product team [12:31] nocturn: then I don't know.. you should probably contact Meizu [12:31] nocturn: can you see the device with adb? [12:33] praxy, will try that next [12:33] have to install adb first [12:35] jgdx, silo? I can’t even. [12:36] jgdx, thanks for the info though. :-) Where could I look this up for myself next time? [12:36] mpt, the spreadsheet is the source of information on this process and launchpad won't get notified before it lands. So the spreadsheet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain [12:37] mpt, time for a quick question? [12:37] sure [12:38] nocturn, try that https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13878.html [12:38] mpt, when load the phone screen in System Settings, it takes a couple of seconds to retrieve the call forwarding settings. Meaning this [1] will always say "Off" until we have one or more settings. That's bad. [12:38] [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-settings-call-forwarding-access.png [12:38] s/when load/when we load [12:39] we can't really change that without substantial (relative) changes to the backend, but we can do a lot of things on the frontend. [12:39] jgdx, “Therefore the current settings should be cached, and shown as a summary value for the “Call forwarding” item on the “Phone” screen — “All calls” for CFU on, “Some calls” for CFU off but any other type on, or “Off” for none — only if you have visited the “Call forwarding” screen since the last time the phone was turned on.” [12:40] that's the substantial bit [12:40] What I meant by that was, if you haven’t visited the “Call forwarding” screen yet, that item should have no summary value at all. [12:40] mpt, oh. So blank? [12:41] Right. Sorry that wasn’t clear. [12:42] mpt, okay, makes sense now. [12:47] jgdx, specification updated. I hope it’s clearer now. [12:49] mpt, yep, thanks. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [12:52] what's the preferred method of copying all my data from one phone to another? [12:52] popey, ^ what do you normally use? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:58] dholbach: i dont [12:58] hum [12:59] dholbach, tar & scp ? ;-) [12:59] I would tar the userdir, copy it over and untar [12:59] that doesn't restore your installed applications though nor the click datas [13:01] thanks seb128 [13:01] I think I just found out how to use ondra's script - maybe that'll work out for me :) [13:01] dholbach, yw [13:03] you could do a click list, get the names of all the apps you have installed, and then grab those clicks from my mirror, and install them en masse? [13:04] yeah, that'd be an idea - although you wouldn't get the data the click package stored or would you? [13:05] you wouldn't not [13:05] no === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:11] Nice, Brian Douglass has won nik90's MX4 competition :) [13:12] SturmFlut: :) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:17] dholbach: I thought you were going to tar up userdir? - that grabs all the data [13:18] I don't know yet - right now I'm just trying ondra's script - if it fails I might go back to another method [13:18] earlier I made the mistake of not running it in recovery mode :) === Guest66587 is now known as mibofra [13:21] SturmFlut, so will we get a special 50GU edition of uappexplorer now ? [13:21] "optimized for meizu" [13:22] ogra_: I read that the GU setting for arale will be fixed with the next update [13:22] yep [13:23] well, "fixed" [13:23] * ogra_ isnt a fan of 50GU either ... my device currently runs at something like 55 or 56 [13:27] popey: thanks! Sorry, missed the ping - could you get this click uploaded and moved further down the stream? [13:27] It's already signed off basically [13:29] sil2100: you want gallery 1208 uploaded to the store? [13:29] sil2100: where's the QA signoff? [13:32] popey, https://trello.com/c/N3b70CZp/1833-ubuntu-landing-007-gallery-app-bfiller it was in silo 7 [13:32] popey: yeah, it was already signed-off, bill only rebuilds the click afterwads to always point the final release after the .deb is pushed out [13:32] At least that's what I saw him do [13:33] okay [13:34] popey: thanks! :) [13:36] np [13:45] sil2100: done [13:45] popey: yay, thank you our savior [13:45] :) [13:47] Hmm, krillin Little Kernel has a special, extended version of the Boot Menu, but apparently the key that would have to be pressed during boot doesn't exist on this hardware. === dpm_ is now known as dpm [14:01] sil2100, popey : I can take care of gallery upload to store if it hasn't been done yet [14:01] was planning on doing that today [14:07] bfiller: already done [14:07] popey: thanks [14:07] np [14:07] popey: bulit the click from trunk? [14:08] grabbed it out of jenkins [14:08] which built from trunk, yes [14:08] popey: ok [14:31] mandel, ondra, slangasek, stgraber: Could the graphic shown during flashing contain localizable text? === zyga_ is now known as zyga [14:33] popey, how do I enter recovery mode on an mx4? when I typed 'adb reboot recovery' it restarted and is now showing the Ubuntu logo, but 'adb devices' lists the device as offline [14:35] power button + vol up takes me to the same thing [14:35] not sure.. [14:35] ogra_, ^ do you know? [14:51] dholbach, no, and nobody from the arale team ever comes online on public IRC [14:51] * ogra_ asked like ten times for that now [14:51] ok [14:51] there are actual users with actual probs here now ... and we cant really help :( [14:52] dholbach, oh, but the recovery has definitely no adb inside ... thats true for all shipped recoveries [14:52] you would have to flash an open one [14:52] oh ok [14:52] (which i dont know where to find for the arale ... only the bq devices are documented on askubuntu currently :/ ) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:17] hi [15:17] asked yesterday too but did not go very far away... [15:18] is normal for an ubuntu meizu mx4 not to show in adb? [15:20] alin: i know this is a stupid question, but is developer mode turned on? [15:20] yes it is [15:20] ok, [15:21] aldo you have the phablet-tools PPA enabled and the android-tools-adb and libmtp pakages from there installed ? [15:21] alin, ^^^ [15:22] (also make sure the screen is unlocked else adb wont let you in) [15:23] ogra_: I have adroid-tools from opensuse I am not using ubuntu [15:23] oh, then yoou will have to hack the device ID into that somehow [15:24] i doubt suses udev and androids adb will be able to find the device [15:25] on debian here, i need to be root, for adb to see my device. [15:25] yeah, thats what udev would handle for you usually :) [15:25] yes, definatly, :) [15:26] alin, try the following: [15:26] echo 0x2a45 >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini [15:26] adb kill-server [15:26] sudo adb start-server [15:26] tnen see if adb devices or adb shell shows it [15:27] also note that the USB of the MX4 has issues with USB3 hubs/ports ... try a 2.0 or even 1.1 one [15:27] ogra_: was exactly the opposite [15:27] the opposite of what ? [15:27] ogra_: shows up only on a powered usb 3.0 [15:27] ogra_: on a usb 2.0 does not show [15:27] it wont transfer any useful data over 3.0 i fear [15:27] ogra_: yes that I noticed too [15:27] (there are hw issues with that) [15:27] ogra_: that is later... [15:28] * ogra_ uses a USB 1.1 non-powered hub here ... thats the only reliable connection i can get [15:29] ogra_: blimey all the hubs I have are gone in a box since I move office [15:29] sadly (as i said) it is a HW issue ... not much we can do in SW to fix that [15:30] anyway, the above should at least make sure the adb side works fine ... [15:30] for USB, watch dmesg to see what it does [15:31] (i get a lot of kernel messages and hardware resets here in case the hub doesnt work) [15:31] * ogra_ goes afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:36] ogra_, john-mcaleely: Do you know where /sbin/init on phones comes from? [15:36] SturmFlut, upstart [15:37] (now really afk) [15:37] does anyone can buy meizu mx4 device outside of European ? [15:38] cle: in china [15:38] But how does upstart decide if it should boot normally or start /system/bin/factory ? I've been looking for the answer to this for half an hour now. [15:38] i have an invite but i'm from Vietnam [15:42] I had assumed that was in here https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/blob/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master/ubuntu/initrd/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd_0.94vivid5_armhf.deb [15:42] but, I don't actually know [15:47] One thing that has been bugging me since I got my ubuntu phone: The swedish layout for the keyboard has the ä and ö buttons switched from what its supposed to be... [15:48] Kniple, file a bug please [15:48] we can get the keyboard layout fixed [15:48] Kniple, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard [15:49] thanks kenvandine, i'll file a bug. :) [15:49] Kniple, thank you! [15:50] Kniple: if I remember correctly that's actually already fixed, and the fix will appear in OTA 5 :) [15:50] Kniple: yep, here we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1395402 so that fix should appear sometime later this month with the next update [15:50] Launchpad bug 1395402 in ubuntu-keyboard "ä and ö are wrongly switched in the swedish layout" [Medium,In progress] [15:51] oh well, semes I don't need to finish this report then :p [15:51] :) [15:53] Excuse my ineptitude with launchpad, but is there an easy way to search bugs related to the touch version? [15:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers links to many of the components used in the phone [15:54] thanks popey [15:54] np [15:54] this community is the best :3 [15:58] john-mcaleely: I've finally got it. MTK uses a modified Android init in the initrd that knows how to check if the previous boot stages activated Factory mode. [15:59] john-mcaleely: Which makes sense, because this Factory mode only exists on MTK SoCs [16:00] sounds fair [16:01] john-mcaleely: It gets even better, they built the API into the kernel, the Boot mode is passed from Little Kernel to the actual Linux kernel and appears in /sys/class/BOOT/BOOT/boot/boot_mode [16:02] and there are actually two factory modes, the normal one and another called "ATE_FACTORY_BOOT" [16:15] ogra_: the echo did the trick [16:39] Hey all! [16:41] After the OTA-4 update the calendar events' dates aren't in the right format. It should be júl. 11., szo 08.00: [16:41] http://i.imgur.com/Rh4HcK4.png [16:42] hi robin-hero [16:43] hi popey [16:43] is that Hungarian? [16:44] Yes [16:44] what is your locale settings in System Settings -> Language & Text set to at the top? [16:46] Magyar (Magyarország) -> Hungarian (Hungary) [16:50] not sure if that's a bug or not, and where that should be filed. seb128 ^ got any good ideas? [16:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_Hungary doesn't explain it :) [16:51] It worked in the previous release [16:54] ok, robin-hero perhaps file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image and we can move it to the most appropriate place. [16:54] okay, I'm just trying to find a screenshot which taken before OTA4... [16:56] seb128, the fix for bug 1470881 is in proposed, can you remove the block-proposed tag now? [16:56] bug 1470881 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "shouldn't depends on click" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470881 [17:01] kenvandine, sure, remove it [17:01] thx [17:04] is it possible to run regular qt5 apps created with standard qtcreator(not utouch-sdk) on utouch? [17:09] mr-tt: You will probably have to at least use the schroot to create an armhf binary [17:12] SturmFlut: how do i create a utouch chroot on non-ubuntu? or would it be simpler to install a regular ubuntu chroot and run ubuntu sdk from there(can this crosscompile)? [17:14] mr-tt_: Most likely the easiest way is to run Ubuntu 15.04 in a virtual machine. [17:15] SturmFlut: arm ubuntu i guess? [17:15] ok... adb shell dies http://paste.opensuse.org/8501852 [17:15] I still see the device listed [17:16] SturmFlut: how big is an ubuntu arm chroot/vm? [17:17] mr-tt_: The schroot for cross-compiling is 1.7 GB on my machine. A full Ubuntu 15.04 installation in a VM, with the Ubuntu SDK and enough space for your projects, will need several gigabytes. [17:18] i'd rather have an schroot then. is it possible to create that on non-ubuntu? [17:19] SturmFlut: do i use debootstrap to set it up? vivid has no arm repos, so how to do that? [17:21] mr-tt_: you use the schroot utility directly, it comes from Debian. But I have never used it on non-Ubuntu, you will probably need all the configuration files. [17:22] mr-tt_: Oh, and it just came to my mind that you will be needing the "click" utility too, that only comes with Ubuntu I think [17:22] SturmFlut: i thought schroot is only for entering chroots, not downloading/setting them up [17:24] click is used to set them up [17:24] usage: click chroot [-h] -a ARCHITECTURE [-f FRAMEWORK] [-s SERIES] [-n NAME] {create,destroy,upgrade,install,run,maint,begin-session,end-session,exists} [17:25] e.g. sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 -s vivid create [17:25] that kinda jazz [17:29] can i run a precompiled qt5 app from ubuntu touch terminal?(just the files the app needs copied to the phone, not packaged)? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [17:42] * tathhu is goign to have Aquaris E5 instead of 4.5, weeeeeeeeeee ^^ [17:43] \o/ [17:44] Should've ordered that in first place, more waiting :(((( [17:47] But yeah, awesome ^_^ [17:47] Oh what i just did.. [17:59] if i have the source of a qt5 project(builds with qmake), how do i get that to build for armhf? [17:59] i'd like to turn it into an utouch app [18:00] or at least run it from terminal on the phone [18:01] create a chroot on the phone itself, and build in that? thats what ogra_ does [18:02] popey: takes too much space on the phone i think [18:03] really>? what you building? KDE? :) [18:03] plus i can't test in on the desktop then [18:03] popey: can I run plasma 5 on my phone? :P [18:03] well, you're kinda asking the impossible [18:03] popey: no just some small example app :) [18:03] if you build for desktop, its an i386/armhf binary [18:03] if you build for phone it's an armhf binary [18:04] i doubt a sample qt app requires too much space on the phone [18:04] popey: so ubuntu sdk can build for armhf? [18:05] yes, in a schroot [18:05] i do it all the time [18:05] popey: does the sdk automatically install an schroot? [18:06] it prompts you to when you start it up for the first time [18:06] i need to go and cut the grass, back in a bit [18:06] SDK = qtcreator + ubuntu-spesific-plugins and stuff? [18:06] yes [18:06] cool [18:07] popey: didn't do that iirc [18:07] mr-tt_: Did you read through the documentation at developer.ubuntu.com ? [18:07] i guess i have to create a target device somehow then? [18:07] mr-tt_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/click-targets-and-device-kits/ [18:07] mr-tt_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/creating-an-sdk-app-project/ [18:07] It is explained very clearly how to do this === nik90 is now known as nik90|Dinner [18:08] nik90: i take a look at it, thanks [18:10] New post: "MediaTek details: Little Kernel", http://sturmflut.github.io/mediatek/2015/07/05/mediatek-details-little-kernel/ [18:10] I think I might be the only person outside of china who writes about these things ;) [18:15] SturmFlut: you are a God amongst men. Great work! [18:15] mcphail: No, I'm a guy with a source code browser ;) [18:15] SturmFlut: and a lot of patience... [18:16] mcphail: It's the luxury of "being able to work on what you want". If I had to do it for a living, it would probably get bored really soon. [18:18] s/it would/I would/ [18:18] It is great to get stuff like this documented. And especially good that it isn't on XDA with tags, 17 fonts and centre-justified text [18:18] mcphail: My girlfriend works in marketing, she keeps giving me tips on how to monetize this ;) [18:19] SturmFlut: to be fair, outside channels like this there may not be much of a market... [18:20] mcphail: Yep. Exactly. And I hate ads on other sites, so I don't want any on mine. [18:20] SturmFlut: I'm an adblock freeloader, I'm afraid [18:21] SturmFlut: but I'd click a "Donate" button to keep the content coming [18:22] +1 [18:24] mcphail: I don't even want that ;) Information wants to be free. I stand on the shoulders of giants, all the tools I use are free and 99% of the things I know were given to me for free. Why on earth should I chose to not give back, for free? I don't even pay for the hosting of that site. [18:25] What, I can "send" my app on phone an test it there o.o [18:25] *and === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:27] you can run on phone, yes [18:27] over usb [18:27] mcphail: Also if I start putting ads on that site or taking donations, I will be encouraged to analyze what my readers want so I can write more content that turns into more ad revenue and more donations... suddenly the whole fun turns into work. [18:27] SturmFlut: well, your hard work is appreciated. I really enjoy your concise use of English [18:28] mcphail: \o/ === nik90|Dinner is now known as nik90 [18:29] popey: well this is cool [18:29] oh i might be do that on jolla too, woops. [18:29] "and now you tell that" [18:30] SturmFlut: anyway it's interesting that you live in the future ;) [18:30] tathhu: Developing apps on the desktop and then sending them to the phone to test them is actually the norm, everybody does it like this. [18:30] SturmFlut: w000000t [18:31]