[06:12] <mazal> Mornings everyone
[06:19] <mazal> More oom
[06:20] <Kilos> more mazal  barrydk  inetpro  
[06:20] <Kilos> sjoe laat nag
[06:20] <mazal> Hoe so ?
[06:21] <Kilos> membership board meeting vir 2 nuwe members 10nm en middernag
[06:21] <mazal> oi
[06:21] <mazal> The timezone thing
[06:22] <Kilos> dis moeilik met mense wan di hele wereld
[06:22] <Kilos> lol ja
[06:22] <Kilos> die een is in chili
[06:22] <mazal> Hulle moet eintlik 8pm maak en elke meeting 'n ander member se 8pm sy tyd kies dat mense beurte kry om laat op te bly
[06:23] <Kilos> en el die van die america se zone verkies ons middernag
[06:23] <mazal> Amper asof elke meeting in ander land is elke keer
[06:23] <Kilos> ja maar die board members bly die selle
[06:24] <Kilos> so dis ons wat moet inpas
[06:24] <mazal> Dis wat ek bedoel , kies elke keer 'n ander een se 8pm
[06:24] <mazal> Dat daar darem rotasie is vir laat opbly
[06:25] <Kilos> ons is min
[06:26] <Kilos> en daar is altyd van ons groep wat dit nie kan maak nie met werk en ander goed
[06:26] <Kilos> gelukkig net een nag n maand
[06:27] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:27] <pieter2627> morning oom Kilos and all others
[06:33] <barrydk> More almal
[06:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:37] <Kilos> ty so much inetpro  
[06:38] <inetpro> Kilos: you're welcome
[06:42] <Kilos> :D
[06:45] <mazal> Morning pieter2627 , inetpro
[06:46] <mazal> oom Kilos , I put my pc back. That lappy's performance was too bad
[06:46] <pieter2627> good day mazal barrydk inetpro 
[06:48] <superfly> morning
[06:48] <superfly> hi Padroni
[06:51] <Padroni> Morning bro
[06:51] <Padroni> how are you?
[06:51] <Kilos> hi superfly  Padroni  
[06:52] <Kilos> you so quiet hey Padroni  
[06:52] <mazal> Morning superfly , Padroni
[06:52] <Padroni> hi Kilos / mazal
[06:52] <superfly> I'
[06:52] <superfly> ... I'm good.
[06:52] <Padroni> I am sad to say that life, work and studies keeps me very busy at the moment
[06:53] <Padroni> I pop in whenever I got a chance though
[06:53] <Kilos> its ok Padroni  as long as you dont forget us
[06:53] <Kilos> and studies are good at anytime
[06:53] <jan_> Hi Kilos 
[06:53] <jan_> Hoe gaan dit met die jongmanne?
[06:53] <Kilos> hi jan_  
[06:54] <Kilos> haha goed en jy toppie
[06:54] <jan_> ook goed dankie
[06:54] <Kilos> het jy korter geword
[06:55] <Kilos> en jy weet wat is die volgende vraag
[06:55] <mazal> way het jy gebreek ? lol
[06:55] <Kilos> lmga
[06:55] <jan_> lmga, weet nie hoekom nie, hy doen soos hy wil
[06:56] <Kilos> wie is hy?
[06:56] <jan_> xchat
[06:58] <jan_> Installed win xp on vbox but the damn thing wants a password which I did not enter and do not know
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my
[06:59] <jan_> tried via safe mode but then admin and my login both require passwords, perhaps I should just try to reinstall
[06:59] <Kilos> there are programs that can find it , but will take me a while to find for you
[07:00] <Kilos> ive done that too, are you in a hurry?
[07:00] <mazal> Sjoe ya , I also had something that does that , but long ago
[07:00] <jan_> no rush, its just something I need on my laptop in future that does not run in Linux
[07:00] <Kilos> there is a way to get in before the passwords as well
[07:00] <Kilos> but i dunno if it will work in vbox
[07:01] <jan_> well I tried various safe mode options, no luck
[07:02] <Kilos> the one way was to hit a certain key while booting and it takes you in as admin
[07:02] <jan_> you dont know which key?
[07:03] <Kilos> thinking
[07:03] <Kilos> join ##kilos
[07:03]  * mazal hands Kilos a lappie
[07:03] <Kilos> jan_  typ in /j ##kilos
[07:03] <Kilos> type in
[07:04] <Kilos> we try not do win stuff here
[07:11] <Padroni> jan_: try the netuser command in c-prompt
[07:11] <Padroni> i reset a lot of passwords like that in computer shops then reboot
[07:11] <Padroni> staff can't get in then
[07:11]  * Padroni likes to troll the guys from Incredible Corruption
[07:11] <Padroni> then again - that kinda only works if you are already logged in
[07:11] <Padroni> http://www.hirensbootcd.org/resetting-windows-password/
[07:11] <andrewlsd> Padroni: lolz
[07:12] <mazal> lol
[07:12] <andrewlsd> jan_: ntpasswdreset
[07:12] <mazal> Mind teaching me that for my users ?
[07:12] <andrewlsd> http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
[07:13] <mazal> There's a few I wouldn't mind irritating <eg>
[07:13] <Kilos> Langjan  try what Padroni  says first
[07:14] <Padroni> the command is:  net user user_name new_password
[07:14] <Padroni> just 'net user' list all users on the machine
[07:14] <Padroni> in case you don't know
[07:14] <andrewlsd> lolz
[07:15] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[07:15] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos 
[07:16] <mazal> aaaah vetkoek , the breakfast of champions :)
[07:16] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <Padroni> You can't linux if you don't vetkoek
[07:16] <mazal> barry brought :)
[07:16] <Padroni> it is written.
[07:22] <Kilos> ok so today im gonna try the telegram thing
[07:23] <Kilos> oh and any of you guys that want to talk win stuff are welcome to join ##kilos
[07:24] <Kilos> and you can join there just for fun too
[07:24] <Squirm> Good morning
[07:24] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[07:24]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:27] <Padroni> There is no one in #kilos
[07:27] <Squirm> :wq
[07:27] <Squirm> egh
[07:27]  * Squirm switches to his terminal
[07:27] <Kilos> ai!
[07:28] <Kilos>   ##kilos
[07:28]  * Kilos hands out glasses
[07:28] <mazal> oom Kilos you have bug spray there ?
[07:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[07:28] <Kilos> lol why?
[07:29] <mazal> One need it for win stuff
[07:29] <Kilos> shame man some peeps need to use it
[07:30] <mazal> I know , I'm one of them
[07:30] <Kilos> at least he only has it in vbox
[07:31] <mazal> Another thing on my long to-do list that I must still learn
[07:31] <mazal> vbox
[07:31] <Kilos> there is a better thing i think
[07:32] <Kilos> vbox is slow
[07:32] <Kilos> kvm or something like that
[07:33] <mazal> I almost started once , and then other stuff happened , and then forgot about it
[07:33]  * Padroni currently listing to Metallica - Unforgiven III
[07:34] <Padroni> been checking some xenserver tuts out
[07:34] <Padroni> quite easy to deploy vm's with that 
[07:40] <mazal> Main problem is I don't really need it , so it doesn't end up high on to-do list ever
[07:40] <Kilos> same
[07:41] <Kilos> i did vbox to try things out, so i know it can be done here, but no need
[07:43]  * superfly recently switched to zsh with oh-my-zsh
[07:48] <Squirm> superfly: I use that myself
[07:48] <Squirm> No
[07:48] <Squirm> zprezto
[07:48] <Squirm> :P
[07:51] <Padroni> I installed linux on a vm
[07:51] <Padroni> then installed virtualbox on the vm
[07:51] <Padroni> and installed linux on THAT
[07:51] <Padroni> and then I entered the matrix
[07:51] <Squirm> Did it work?
[07:51] <Padroni> can't remember, took the red pil
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[07:53] <Padroni> running ubuntu14.04 on my desktop
[07:54] <Padroni> then installed Makulu on a VM
[07:54] <Padroni> makulu is actually nice
[08:04] <andrewlsd> Padroni: Makulu "Aero"?
[08:05] <andrewlsd> Padroni: +1 for the pill
[08:05] <Padroni> i don't know which  one, just got the iso from the net
[08:05]  * Padroni should pay more attention
[08:06] <andrewlsd> Kilos: mazal "kvm" via "libvirt" provides shell and gui access
[08:06]  * andrewlsd cannot find a reason to use zsh
[08:06] <Kilos> oh ty andrewlsd  
[08:07] <andrewlsd> shell commands are 'virsh'  (for virtualization shell)
[08:07] <andrewlsd> and gui is "virt-manager"
[08:08] <andrewlsd> my current list of VMs
[08:09] <Kilos> lol i battle to keep up with what i have to do , so no place/time to try more stuff as well also too
[08:09] <andrewlsd> http://bin.snyman.info/6w5wb
[08:09] <Kilos> sjoe and you still have time to chat
[08:10] <andrewlsd> I was playing with Maas and Juju yesterday... until I realized my internet isn't fast enough. I was getting too many timeouts when trying to automatically fetch several LXC container filesystems
[08:10] <andrewlsd> lolz. ubu14-lxc is a KVM vm, that runs LXC containers.
[08:14] <Padroni> andrewlsd: did you pay for that REHL7?
[08:14] <Padroni> tried to get a copy the other night but their site is a disaster to try and get through
[08:15] <andrewlsd> Padroni: nope, is eval. 
[08:15] <andrewlsd> ... but I am allowed a few anyway, thanks to my RHCE/RHCI
[08:17] <Padroni> ah
[08:17] <Padroni> maybe I should do that as wel
[08:17] <mazal> What's the I one ?
[08:17] <Padroni> RHCE I mean
[08:18] <Squirm> I did my RHCSA
[08:18] <Squirm> Failed my RHCE by like 2% :/
[08:18] <Padroni> don't you get a re-write ?
[08:18] <Squirm> They never mentioned anything about it
[08:19]  * Squirm shrugs
[08:19] <Squirm> I use the knowledge
[08:19] <Padroni> on some of those Oracle stuff I did, the passrate was 75%
[08:19] <Squirm> and I work in an Ubuntu environment
[08:19] <Padroni> and 82% on one of them
[08:19] <Padroni> crazy 
[08:19] <Squirm> Padroni: 75% for RHCE and RHCSA
[08:19] <Squirm> I think for all their RH exams
[08:20] <andrewlsd> Put it this way: If you are going to allow someone to access your LInux stuff, what % would you like him to know.
[08:20] <Squirm> andrewlsd: I would hope they're proficient in google :)
[08:20] <Padroni> I totally agree
[08:20] <Padroni> higher is better
[08:20] <Padroni> #standards
[08:20] <Squirm> :p
[08:32] <mazal> Anybody know if freenaode has a ZA gaming channel ?
[08:32] <mazal> freenode*
[09:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:10] <mazal> Kilos: you trying to make us think that you are thinking :)
[09:10] <Kilos> yeah
[09:10] <mazal> lol
[09:14] <Langjan> Hi Kilos dont see an Andrew here? 
[09:14] <Kilos> ya man
[09:14] <Langjan> ok must be andrewlsd1 
[09:14] <andrewlsd1> Langjan: 
[09:14] <andrewlsd1> yeah I got disconnected
[09:14] <Kilos> there you go
[09:14] <Langjan> Hi andrewlsd1 
[09:15] <Kilos> Langjan  he helped me lots when i just started here
[09:15] <Langjan> Many thks for pointing out my router prob
[09:15] <Langjan> Can he be more he;lpful than you?
[09:15] <Langjan> You had a great mentor...
[09:16] <Kilos> lol well he was one of those that taught me the little i know and lots i forgot
[09:16] <Langjan> andrewlsd1,  can you still access my router?
[09:16] <andrewlsd1> did you reboot it?
[09:17] <andrewlsd1> Langjan: yes. I'm logged into it
[09:17] <andrewlsd1> Langjan: let's take this across to ##kilos
[09:19] <Kilos> Langjan  /j ##kilos
[10:11] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch ?
[10:11] <Maaz> mazal: How about some sushi?
[10:12] <mazal> maaz nope
[10:12] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[10:12] <Kilos> sushi and wasabe warms you up lekker
[10:13] <mazal> uhm......nooooooooooo
[10:13] <mazal> maaz how about some steak
[10:13] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[10:13] <Kilos> bangbroek
[10:13] <Kilos> Maaz  whats for lunch
[10:13] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[10:13] <mazal> Ek eetie rou goete nie
[10:13] <Kilos> ai!
[10:14] <Kilos> dit baie lekker en gesong man
[10:14] <Kilos> gesond
[10:14] <Kilos> als van die see is lekker en werk soos medisyne
[10:14]  * Cryterion__ considers the sushi
[10:14] <mazal> Dos goggas
[10:15] <mazal> dis*
[10:15] <Kilos> nee man
[10:15] <mazal> Kan mens netsowel sprinkane eet
[10:15] <mazal> en gras
[10:15] <Kilos> nee hulle het nie daai jodium goed in nie
[10:15] <Kilos> iodine
[10:15] <Kilos> even seaweed is healthy
[10:16] <mazal> Yeah , grass also
[10:16] <Kilos> haha
[10:16]  * Cryterion__ wonders which grass mazal is thinking of
[10:16]  * mazal too :P
[10:17] <mazal> Vitamin green
[10:17] <Kilos> the one you smoke is healthy if you make tea from it
[10:17] <barrydk> Neeman Kilos gedag jy is ordentlik, n boer eet mos vleis man
[10:17] <mazal> Aparently you can get it in ointments now
[10:17] <Kilos> ja barrydk  ek doen maar seekos is 10 keer meer gesond
[10:17] <Cryterion__> Easy to make the ointment
[10:18] <mazal> maaz define healthy
[10:18] <Maaz> mazal: Healthy \Health"y\ (-[y^]), a. [Compar. {Healthier} (-[i^]*[~e]r); superl. {Healthiest}.] 1. Being in a state of health; enjoying health; hale; sound; free from disease; as, a healthy child; a healthy plant. [1913 Webster]  His mind was now in a firm and healthy state. --Macaulay. [1913 Webster]  2. Evincing health; as, a healthy pulse; a healthy complexion.
[10:18] <Maaz> [1913 Webster]  3. Conducive to health; wholesome; salubrious; salutary; as, a healthy e…
[10:18] <Cryterion> Maybe, not so easy
[10:18] <barrydk> ja ordentlike seekos soos vis, kreef, krap, mossels, seekat en prons
[10:18] <Kilos> you can get it in many forms the is a woman in natal that actually is legal to market it for healing purposes
[10:18] <barrydk> GAAAr gemaak 
[10:19] <barrydk> Gebak of gebraai
[10:19] <Kilos> ek eet mossels rou sommer van die rotse af
[10:19] <mazal> Trust us to start at lunch and end up on pot lol :P
[10:19] <Kilos> vuur dooi baie van die goeie god is kos
[10:20] <barrydk> Was nog nooit so honger nie
[10:20] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk
[10:20] <Kilos> dis lekker
[10:20] <Kilos> lekkerder rou as gaar
[10:23] <Kilos> van der merwes dont know much about sea food
[10:24] <Kilos> i go catch some UV's
[10:30] <magespawn> good day
[10:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[10:43] <magespawn> hey Kilos do you ever think about leaving SA?
[10:44] <Kilos> only when i was planning to go to debs
[10:44] <Kilos> otherwise this is my home and i will be buried here
[10:45] <Kilos> the whole world has similar probs
[10:45] <magespawn> my dad and step-mom have sold their house and are moving back to england in october
[10:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:46] <Kilos> ians mom is already there
[10:46] <Kilos> working as a carer of old peeps
[10:46] <Kilos> im not sure the uk will be a good place in the future
[10:48] <magespawn> well both of my folks are from there, so it might be differant for them
[10:49] <Kilos> yeah
[10:51] <magespawn> for them it will be like going home
[10:52] <magespawn> but it is a big move and a big change
[10:52] <Kilos> very
[11:03] <superfly> Move to Botswana
[11:08] <andrewlsd> +1 superfly
[11:08] <andrewlsd> or Kenya
[11:09] <Cryterion> mazal, this looks interesting, especially section 7 http://www.parliament.gov.za/live/commonrepository/Processed/20140228/567327_1.pdf
[11:13] <magespawn> superfly: that and namibia have both caught our eye
[11:15] <magespawn> Cryterion: i wonder if hash is included in that
[11:19] <magespawn> andrewlsd: do not really know that much about Kenya
[11:19] <Padroni> not seeing a lot of IT jobs in Namibia
[11:19] <Padroni> else I would move as well
[11:19] <Padroni> I was born there 
[11:20] <Padroni> I've always wondered
[11:20] <Padroni> on a long enough timeline
[11:20] <Padroni> do a group of like-minded individuals like ourselves
[11:21] <Padroni> with our skillset
[11:21] <MaNI> no market for new companies there? make an IT job :p
[11:21] <Padroni> decide to start their own company
[11:21] <Padroni> I wonder what the chance of success for this would be
[11:21] <MaNI> what sort of IT person are you, programmer/networking/hardware/support/other?
[11:22] <Padroni> Network / Security
[11:22]  * mazal don't see spoonfeeder on the list
[11:22] <Padroni> I'm from the hosting environment, same as ThatGraemeGuy
[11:22] <MaNI> spoonfeeder falls under support I think :p
[11:22] <mazal> Ok then I'd be support 
[11:23] <MaNI> I guess thats a bit tougher then
[11:23] <mazal> pebkac specialist
[11:24] <MaNI> I could mover anywhere and my clients wouldn't even know theoretically, as long as there is internet
[11:25] <mazal> I'll do security for your new company . bouncer :)
[11:26] <Kilos> haha
[11:36] <Kilos> so inetpro  what have i broken now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/Meetings/20150729
[11:45] <inetpro> Kilos: you planned to broke it?
[11:46] <Kilos> nono man im scared i do
[11:46] <Kilos> otherwise id have tried to add events and the miscellaneos thing too
[11:46] <Kilos> dont wanna even try the raw text thing
[12:03] <magespawn> Padroni the company would need a business orientated person
[12:03] <Padroni> indeed
[12:03] <Padroni> I am not guy though
[12:03] <magespawn> that almost always seems to be the one skill set that is over looked
[12:41] <mazal> Bye veryone
[12:52] <andrewlsd> ciao Maaz 
[12:53] <andrewlsd> ^ auto-complete. Guess mazal had already gone.
[13:01] <Kilos> lol
[13:01] <Kilos> painful when you get to rely on tab complete automatically
[13:59] <Kilos> so i have eventually got telegram going in pidgin but no one to try it out with
[14:00] <Kilos> who is gonna be my first customer
[14:29]  * andrewlsd jumps
[14:32] <andrewlsd> what did you do, Kilos , to get Telegram in PIdgin
[14:32] <Squirm> Weekend baby!
[14:32] <Squirm> Durban, here I come
[14:32] <andrewlsd> (mine doesn't show it as an available account type)
[14:32] <Squirm> bbl
[14:32] <Squirm> much l
[14:32] <Kilos> just install telegram-purple
[14:33] <Kilos> Maaz  google telegram-purple for ubuntu
[14:33] <Maaz> Kilos: "UbuntuUpdates - Package "telegram-purple" (trusty 14.04)" http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/webupd8/trusty/main/base/telegram-purple :: "Add Telegram Support To Pidgin With Telegram Purple ~ Web Upd8 ..." http://www.webupd8.org/2014/11/add-telegram-support-to-pidgin-with.html :: "Telegram Purple 0.7.0 Available In PPA ~ WebUpd8 Ubuntu PPAs ..."
[14:33] <Maaz> http://ppa.webupd8.org/post/112782541131/telegram-purple-0-7-0-available-in-ppa :: "majn/telegram-…
[14:35] <Kilos> enjoy Squirm  
[14:36] <Kilos> im so happy it works with pidgin
[14:36]  * Kilos likes pidgin
[14:37]  * andrewlsd also likes Pidgin. 
[14:38] <andrewlsd> I used to love Kopete in the old KDE3 days. coz you could set a separate status for each account
[14:38] <andrewlsd> Now that I'm weaning myself off Gtalk, I'll probably use Pidgin more. 
[14:38] <andrewlsd> but I can't use Pidgin for IRC. 
[14:39]  * andrewlsd uses HexChat or KiwiChat for that.
[14:39] <Kilos> pidgin does gtalk as hangouts
[14:39] <Kilos> no irc was too much for me in pidgin
[14:39] <Kilos> had to scroll too much to see all contacts
[14:40] <Kilos> fly uses kopete i think
[14:42] <Kilos> ha rusbus  you become a lurker
[15:20] <MaNI> kopete was great
[15:20] <Trixar_za> HexChat for me too
[15:21] <Trixar_za> Works better on Linux than Windows though - Crashes on Windows if it can't connect to servers :P
[15:22] <MaNI> yeah also a hexchat user, have never tried it on windows
[15:22] <Kilos> oh just saw why i didnt use it
[15:22] <Kilos> cant do mxit
[15:24] <Trixar_za> Bitlbee Kilos
[15:25] <Trixar_za> You can compile it to use pidgin's libpurple or something. So you'll be able to use mxit with it. You connect to it like an IRC server
[15:26] <Kilos> everything works on pidgin
[15:26] <Kilos> kopete doesnt show any pidgin option
[15:27] <Kilos> wb mazal  
[15:27] <mazal> Lo oom
[15:27] <mazal> Now that was a struggle
[15:27] <Kilos> what
[15:28] <mazal> Put the 2nd drive in. But thanx to stupid chassis and cable design I had to change all the cables and even move the dvd writer as well
[15:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:28] <Kilos> i got 2 dvds in and 4 drives
[15:28] <mazal> And those 2 drives sits right on top of each other ( the way the chassis is designed ) so they are gonna cook each other up
[15:28] <Kilos> and space for more
[15:30] <mazal> " Estimated time for backup completion , 1 day 13 hours lol "
[15:30] <mazal> That will give oom an idea how big this backup is 
[15:31] <mazal> No wonder I needed a whole extra drive :P
[15:32] <Kilos> wow
[15:33] <mazal> I wonder if that backup app realize in this country we don't have power for 1 day and 13 hours straight
[15:33] <Kilos> lol
[15:33] <Kilos> what you using?
[15:33] <mazal> Syncback
[15:34] <Kilos> but if you backing up 2 gig you must expect it to take a while
[15:35] <mazal> 1.2TB
[15:35] <Kilos> im meant tb
[15:36] <mazal> Ya I don't have a problem , I have a problem with the electricity part
[15:36] <mazal> That will change that 1 day to 3 days
[15:36] <Kilos> is there load shedding today?
[15:37] <mazal> While we on the subject of hard drives , I want to ask you clever peeps something that I always wondered about
[15:37]  * Kilos hides
[15:37] <mazal> Why do ext3 and ext4 rob disk space ?
[15:37] <Kilos> no man
[15:37] <mazal> For example , a 2TB drive formats out to 1.82TB on NTFS and only 1.62TB on ext4
[15:37] <Kilos> they see gib instead of gb
[15:37] <mazal> And I have seen this since I started using linux
[15:38] <Kilos> its from the 1024 per gig
[15:38] <mazal> You always have less free space on ext3 and 4 than on NTFS
[15:39] <Kilos> lets hear what the clever peeps say
[15:39] <mazal> I have seen this on all sized drives
[15:40] <mazal> It's as if ext3 and 4 always keep a little bit of the drive back
[15:40] <mazal> I am curious to know what the reason is
[15:45] <mazal> Klaar gewerk , nou kan ek seker loop speel :)
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[15:46] <mazal> Of dalk eers aandete eet hmmm
[15:46] <mazal> Netnou vergeet ek :P
[15:46] <Kilos> lol
[16:07] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[16:08] <magespawn> ty Kilos 
[16:19] <magespawn> has anyone here used alien to convert rpm to deb or vice versa?
[16:20] <Kilos> yes couple of years back
[16:20] <Kilos> was some rehat thing i wanted to try on buntu
[16:20] <Kilos> and it worked fine
[16:21] <magespawn> what did you convert from and to Kilos?
[16:21] <Kilos> i just needed a rpm to work on debian
[16:22] <magespawn> i would need most of the time to go the other way, since most of my experience is with ubuntu
[16:23] <Kilos> it should work both ways
[16:23] <Kilos> like convert from deb to rpm on ubuntu
[16:23] <magespawn> it says it will
[16:24] <magespawn> convert is that another program
[16:24] <Kilos> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/11/alien-command-examples/
[16:25] <mazal> oom Kilos 
[16:25] <Kilos> yes mazal  
[16:25] <mazal> " Linux file systems reserver 5-10% of the space for root so that when users jam the drive full of stuff, the administrator still has room to clean stuff up. As Reed9 said, you can alter that with tune2fs for ext2/3/4 file systems. "
[16:25] <mazal> From here: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/newbie/177014-missing-space-ext4.html
[16:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:25] <Kilos> linux is clever hey
[16:26] <Kilos> with win you reinstall
[16:26] <mazal> Hi magespawn 
[16:26] <magespawn> hey mazal 
[16:27] <magespawn> yes i have run into that problem with windows systems, specially when the swap file gets to big
[16:27] <mazal> https://odzangba.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/how-to-free-reserved-space-on-ext4-partitions/
[16:27] <mazal> To disable it ^^
[16:28] <Kilos> dont cry when you crash one and cant fix it
[16:29] <mazal> I'm gonna disable it on that drive
[16:29] <Kilos> lol
[16:29] <magespawn> then you have to boot from a live cd or usb
[16:29] <mazal> It's a storage drive only and I am not so dumb as to fill it to capacity
[16:29] <Kilos> good
[16:30] <magespawn> have you heard about that zip bomb?
[16:30] <mazal> magespawn, can't I just dismount it ?
[16:30] <magespawn> mazal: on a storage drive it should not matter
[16:30] <mazal> Instead of booting from cd
[16:30] <magespawn> it is generally only the boot drive that needs open spae
[16:30] <magespawn> space too
[16:31] <mazal> This is a 2nd storage drive
[16:31] <mazal> Data only
[16:33] <magespawn> it would affect stuff you delete to the trash, those files are stored on the drive if you want to recover them
[16:36] <mazal> Gonna do that in 1 day and still 13 hours :P
[16:37] <mazal> Stupid OS could never count
[16:38] <Kilos> lol
[16:38] <Kilos> it should change
[16:38] <Kilos> some files move slower than others
[16:38] <mazal> It'll change when it gets to the big files. Then it comes down
[16:39] <mazal> Big files copy faster
[16:39] <Kilos> im sure it wont take 1 1/2 days
[16:40] <mazal> The first one is always a long one\
[16:41]  * mazal remembers that he was actually on his way to play something
[16:42] <magespawn> it is easy to get distracted
[16:47] <mazal> Great , now I can't decide between COD or minetest
[16:47] <magespawn> COD
[16:47] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <magespawn> ?
[16:47] <mazal> COD = Call of Duty
[16:48] <magespawn> ah well
[16:48] <magespawn> i would go with call of duty
[16:49] <mazal> COD it is then :)
[17:10] <magespawn> back agian
[17:19] <magespawn> okay, now how do you if are really here if there is no response?
[17:29] <Kilos> what?
[17:29] <Kilos> that was a heavy sentence
[17:30] <Kilos> had to read it three times to not understand it
[17:31] <magespawn> whoops, was supposed to be "okay, how do you know if you are really here if there is no response?"
[17:32] <Kilos> just say hi to maaz
[17:32] <magespawn> the tree falling in the forest thing
[17:33] <magespawn> good idea, nice solution
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> havent you seen Squirm  do it
[17:37] <magespawn> hmm, just never thought about it 
[17:37] <magespawn> Maaz am i here?
[17:37] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <magespawn> that is good enough
[17:38] <Cryterion> Evening Everyone
[17:38] <magespawn> hi Cryterion 
[17:38] <Kilos> hi kodez  
[17:39] <kodez> hi oom Kilos
[17:39] <kodez> how are you?
[17:39] <kodez> greetings everyone
[17:39] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:40] <kodez> I am enjoying total victory
[17:40] <Kilos> over what or who?
[17:43] <kodez> from being unemployed to be employed and to meet a potential business partner tomorrow. nothing is less than being on cloud 9 and praising God for what he has done for me thus far
[17:44] <Kilos> good, im happy for you
[17:44] <magespawn> nice kodez 
[17:45] <kodez> thanks @magespawn
[17:46] <mazal> Hi kodez 
[17:47] <kodez> hi mazal
[17:47]  * mazal fiddles
[17:58] <Kilos> too cold to fiddle
[18:05] <mazal> Is a Friday night thing , always have to much energy on Friday nights
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <inetpro> good evening
[18:38] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[18:41] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[18:47] <inetpro> mazal: s/to much/too much/
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: how did the meetings go last night?
[19:00] <Kilos> very good ty inetpro  
[19:00] <Kilos> team getting together
[19:01] <inetpro> 07/03 13:46:58 <Kilos> dont wanna even try the raw text thing
[19:01] <Kilos> even want us to form a telegram group so we can remind peeps
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: what did you mean with that ^^?
[19:01] <Kilos> oh that, i think i can add a *next business thing
[19:02] <Kilos> but not big things like additing an events section or miscelaneous section
[19:02] <Kilos> adding
[19:02] <inetpro> ai!
[19:02] <Kilos> what now
[19:02] <Kilos> i dont want to break it man
[19:02] <inetpro> what is so difficult about that?
[19:03] <Kilos> m
[19:03] <Kilos> me
[19:03] <Kilos> im only small
[19:03] <Kilos> is what i added at least correct?
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: does it look wrong?
[19:05] <Kilos> is this a quiz?
[19:05] <Kilos> ok next
[19:05] <Kilos> 2 resistors in series add the resistance right
[19:05] <Kilos> and in parralel lessens the resistance
[19:06] <Kilos> what happens with 2 globes in series
[19:07] <inetpro> ai!
[19:07] <Kilos> what?
[19:07] <Kilos> dont go kill google now
[19:07] <Kilos> not important
[19:08] <inetpro> (space)(asterix)(space)Bulletpoint text item
[19:08] <inetpro> as simple as that ^^
[19:08] <magespawn> globes are resistors Kilos 
[19:09] <inetpro> (space)(space)(asterix)(space)Bulletpoint text sub-item
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: what's so difficult about that ^^ ?
[19:10] <Kilos> yes i think so too magespawn  but not sure what you would do with the voltage needed to power them
[19:10] <Kilos> whats a bullet point
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: In typography, a bullet ( • ) is a typographical symbol or glyph used to introduce items in a list
[19:11] <Kilos> magespawn  like i have some tiny ones out of a infrared masager 
[19:11] <inetpro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_%28typography%29
[19:11] <Kilos> ai!
[19:12] <Kilos> massager
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: did you not see the bulletpoint list you created?
[19:12] <Kilos> did i?
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: look again https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/Meetings/20150729
[19:12] <Kilos> you mean those * at the start of new thing
[19:13] <inetpro> yes, but are they asterixes when you look at the saved page?
[19:13] <Kilos> thats all i used
[19:13] <Kilos> no bullet stuffs
[19:13] <Kilos> * next topic
[19:14] <Kilos> i didnt used (*)
[19:14] <inetpro> exactly, it makes it typographically easy to read
[19:14] <Kilos> ai!
[19:14] <Kilos> ( • )
[19:14] <Kilos> how did you make that?
[19:14] <magespawn> Kilos: globes generally have more resistance than the wire 
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: we don't have to worry about it, the wiki takes care about the bullet
[19:15] <magespawn> so they should behave in the same way as far as resistance is concerned
[19:15] <Kilos> ok magespawn  now i think they are 24 volt nso 2 in parralel should work off 12v ?
[19:16] <Kilos> oh
[19:16] <inetpro> just write (space)(asterix)(space)Bulletpoint text item
[19:16] <inetpro> and the wiki does the nice formatting for you
[19:16] <magespawn> i forget how reistance and voltage work together
[19:16] <Kilos> so using an asterix lets it do that automagically?
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: in the combination above yes
[19:17] <magespawn> resistance
[19:17] <Kilos> aha ty i can do that
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: then you just add another space and it becomes a sub-item
[19:18] <inetpro> much simpler than electronics
[19:18] <Kilos> man all we need is and events and a 
[19:18] <Kilos> um
[19:18] <Kilos> er
[19:18] <inetpro> go do it
[19:19] <inetpro> and remove the line with "Items to be added here"
[19:19] <Kilos> miscelaneous heading
[19:20] <inetpro> add it
[19:20] <Kilos> it must be bigger text
[19:20] <magespawn> let me go look Kilos 
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:21] <Kilos> must it have a bullet point?
[19:21] <inetpro> yes
[19:21] <Kilos> oh hold on
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: having said the above, look again at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150728?action=raw
[19:21] <Kilos> so bullet point events
[19:22] <Kilos> then bullet point with 2 spaces for sub headings
[19:22] <inetpro> yes
[19:22] <inetpro> but no, it's not headings
[19:22] <Kilos> lemme try
[19:22] <Kilos> oh
[19:22] <inetpro> a heading has equal signs
[19:22] <inetpro> eg: = Heading =
[19:23] <inetpro> or: == Sub-Heading ==
[19:24] <Kilos> like that?
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: yes, but now you just group them logically together
[19:25] <Kilos> ai!
[19:25] <Kilos> i have no idea what that means
[19:25]  * Cryterion thinks this ai! thing is gonna get catchy just now
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:26] <inetpro> hmm... ok, it's fine, I guess we can handle all others as main points
[19:26] <Kilos> im waiting for someone from the rest of the world to use it then ill crack
[19:27] <Kilos> should events have been a heading inetpro  
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: it's perfect like that
[19:27] <inetpro> well done!
[19:27] <Kilos> oh
[19:28] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:28] <inetpro> mazal: hmm... already?
[19:29] <inetpro> good night
[19:29] <mazal> Yeah I'm freezing
[19:29] <Kilos> night mazal  
[19:29] <Kilos> very cold ya
[19:29] <Kilos> Maaz  spell miscelaneous
[19:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Miscellaneous or miscellaneous
[19:29] <magespawn> back
[19:30] <magespawn> Kilos: i do not think it will work like that, but i am not sure
[19:31] <Kilos> i think there are other factors involved too magespawn  
[19:31] <Kilos> as in a globe isnt a pure resistor
[19:32] <magespawn> it is something i want to read more on, i am trying to get more information together so that i can wire my house with dc and live off the grid
[19:32] <Kilos> thats easy
[19:33] <Kilos> all in parralel
[19:33] <inetpro> magespawn: are you plaing minetest?
[19:33] <inetpro> playing*
[19:33] <Kilos> like you run 2 thick wires all the way then tap off then for each light etc
[19:34] <Kilos> Maaz  spell parrallel
[19:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Parallel or parallel
[19:34] <Kilos> ai!
[19:35] <magespawn> inetpro: not at the moment
[19:35]  * inetpro trying to understand the context of conversation about electronics
[19:36] <magespawn> no need for context
[19:36] <Kilos> electronics and electrical is more basic that raw text stuffs
[19:37] <inetpro> ai!
[19:37] <inetpro> really!?
[19:37] <magespawn> back again
[19:37] <magespawn> not really sure what happened there
[19:38] <magespawn> i did something and closed the window
[19:38] <inetpro> Lost terminal
[19:38] <Kilos> actually electrical is simple
[19:39] <Kilos> electronics has jumped up in leaps and bounds
[19:39] <Kilos> but the basics remain the same
[19:39] <inetpro> and text is still text
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <inetpro> the basics are the same, whether you write with pen on paper or on the computer
[19:40] <Kilos> ya but the manner of using text to do different hings has changed
[19:40] <inetpro> text is older than electronics
[19:40] <Kilos> yes
[19:41] <inetpro> text is the magic ingredient for almost anything you do on the computer
[19:41] <Kilos> but no one ever wrote ==heading== the wrote larger with a pen or underlined it
[19:42] <Kilos> s/the/they
[19:42] <inetpro> try: printf "Hello World\n"
[19:43] <Kilos> yes you see
[19:43] <Kilos> all the added stuff is not normal text
[19:43] <inetpro> it's all a matter of learning the relevant language
[19:43] <Kilos> output is
[19:44] <Kilos> man i only do englikaans
[19:45] <Kilos> so anyway inetpro  what are you planning for the inauguration meeting
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: you still wrote that as a string of characters so I can read it
[19:45] <Kilos> ja strydom
[19:46] <inetpro> ai! :-)
[19:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:46]  * inetpro planning to sleep in a few minutes
[19:46] <Kilos> tired sir or long day tomorrow?
[19:47] <Kilos> oh , its late already
[19:47] <Kilos> hi superfly  you fixed it all lekker
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: tomorrow will worry about itself
[19:48] <Kilos> i didnt realize itr was so late already
[19:48] <Kilos> realise
[19:48] <Kilos> Maaz  spell realise
[19:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Yup, that's a word all right
[19:48] <Kilos> oh my
[19:49] <Kilos> im sure my keyboard is faulty
[19:49] <Kilos> cant spell any more
[19:50] <Kilos> oh inetpro  telegram works lekker in pidgin
[19:50] <Kilos> go sleep now
[19:50] <inetpro> ai!
[19:50] <Kilos> what ai!
[19:51] <inetpro> use https://web.telegram.org/
[19:51] <inetpro> much better
[19:51] <Kilos> nono i dont want more stuff open
[19:51] <superfly> didn't know there was a Pidgin plugin already
[19:52] <Kilos> telegram-purple
[19:52]  * superfly is now a zsh kiddie and a vim addict
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:52] <inetpro> superfly: what makes zsh better than bash?
[19:59] <superfly> inetpro: it's more extensible
[19:59] <superfly> inetpro: I recommend installing "oh-my-zsh" which adds a couple of plugins and sane default settings
[20:02] <inetpro> not sure I'm ready for a deep dive like that
[20:03] <inetpro> loosing my breath while trying to keep up as it is 
[20:37] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/1GR5vKAg.png
[20:40] <Trixar_za> Oo
[21:07] <Kilos> sigh
[21:07] <Kilos> telegram is easier to set up in pidgin the via browser
[21:08] <Kilos> s/the/than
[21:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[21:09] <inetpro> Kilos: now you can expect a lot of spam with that screenshot above
[21:10]  * inetpro calls it a day
[21:10] <inetpro> good night
[21:11] <Kilos> night inetpro  
[21:11] <Kilos> ai!
[21:11] <Kilos> peeps here mustnt spam me
[21:11] <Kilos> ill sommer delete telegram
[21:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight