[02:36] <Programmer_> i get this error when trying to debug using gdb in kdevelop "&"warning: GDB: Failed to set controlling terminal: Operation not permitted\n""
[02:51] <Euryale> Hello, how do I restart parts of Plasma, like kwin, when they crash without re-logging in?
[05:58] <Guest50140> hey
[05:58] <Guest50140> can anyone help me with kwin error
[06:01] <Guest50140> does anyone know about the kwin error when you update kubuntu
[06:01] <Guest50140> kubuntu 15
[06:04] <matthew831> hey
[06:04] <matthew831> is anyone
[06:04] <matthew831> there
[08:00] <naftilos76> I installed kubuntu 15.04 and my nfs shares on a synology server need to be manually mounted in order to be accessed. The same fstab entries were in my last kubuntu 14.04 and worked fine. Has anything changed in 15.04 regarding fstab?
[08:01] <naftilos76> *I have installed nfs-common package which is required for accessing nfs shares
[08:02] <naftilos76> Can anybody think of anything that i should check?
[08:15] <naftilos76> Has 15.04 had any issues mounting nfs shares in fstab?
[08:19] <valorie> naftilos76: I have heard at least one other person complain about it
[08:19] <valorie> but i don't know the issue and have not heard a bug # mentioned
[08:20] <valorie> unless you came in a few days ago and said the same thing
[08:22] <naftilos76> I just saw somewhere that this is related with the sequence of services being loaded during boot.
[08:22] <naftilos76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1429975
[08:58] <yuriy> Hello guys. after resolving problebs with kubuntu i've got the problem that language switcher disappeared
[08:59] <yuriy> and locale from system settings doesn't contain related tab
[09:01] <yuriy> how to resolve that?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:40] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:49] <parzzix> good morning lordievader
[12:50] <lordievader> Hey parzzix
[13:01] <onebitxajax> hi all , i got a lil question to ask
[13:02] <onebitxajax>  i am using lts kubuntu, and the system getting very slow after 8-10 hours of work, i need reboot to get it back normal
[13:02] <onebitxajax> someoen can tell me why this can happen?
[13:04] <lordievader> How is the memory usage after 8-10 hours?
[13:05] <onebitxajax> lordievader: i have 4gb and sometime it hit 4 than calm down. I need close firefox and chrome and open them again to free mem
[13:05] <onebitxajax> but after that, system became incredibly slow
[13:05] <onebitxajax> i need reboot even if ram usage its very low
[13:13] <lordievader> Hmm, sounds a bit like swap. How does vmstat output look when it is very slow?
[14:21] <mr-rich> kununtu 14.04 latest updates: xorg seems to be eating up all the memory after running a few days. slowly consumes all 16GB then swap until system won't respond ... any ideas?
[14:23] <mr-rich> uptime: 2 1/2 days, almost 8GB gone already ...
[14:23] <BluesKaj> memory leak?
[14:23] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: That's what I'm thinking ... but how to stop it?
[14:25] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: was having an issue with Firefox a few weeks ago, but once I closed Firefox, memory was ok ... not even running Firefox now ...
[14:25] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, AMD GPU?
[14:26] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Intel CPU ... how to check GPU?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA
[14:27] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: MB is a P55A-UD3
[14:29] <mr-rich> $ lspci | grep VGA
[14:29] <mr-rich> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Juniper PRO [Radeon HD 5750]
[14:30] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Yup ... AMD ...
[14:31] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I run the proprietary driver ...
[14:31] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, ok check this out  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1314787 you'll have to scroll down about 80% to find the fix
[14:57] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: dammit ... it's the kernel ...
[14:58] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: when I first installed 14.04, I had to install kernel 3.14 because video didn't even work ... after a while I switched back to 3.13 so I could get the kernel updates from ubuntu ...
[14:58] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, yeah suspected it was as described in the bug summary
[14:59] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: worked a long while .... but I guess I'll have to switch back to 3.14 again ... and I already deleted it ...
[15:01] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, what about a newer kernel ?
[15:11] <naftilos76> Hi everyone, i bought a laptop and i am having issues with the nvidia 840M graphics. There are two graphics boards (1) VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09) & (2) 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 840M] (rev a2) . I am at the point right after a fresh install of kubuntu 14.04. No updates were installed. I have only connected through wifi to be able to connect to the inernet. The issue is
[15:11] <naftilos76> that i am getting a trembling of everything shown on the lcd. This happens only in graphics mode but not in text mode which would be while selecting options in during grub menu. I have seen a few things like adding repo "ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa" or installing nvidia drivers from the defaiult repos. I prefer the nouveau driver because the boot is nicer. The driver manager shows nothing. In other installations of 14.04 i used to see a list of nvidia drivers
[15:11] <naftilos76> and the nouveau at thevery bottom. Can anybody suggest how i should proceed. It is very tiring to keep my eyes on this lcd.
[15:12] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Can i pls have your opinion on this?
[15:16] <naftilos76> I have tried to check what pkgs are installed regarding graphs and this is what i get after doing dpkg -l | grep nouveau:
[15:16] <naftilos76> ii  libdrm-nouveau2:amd64                       2.4.56-1~ubuntu2                      amd64        Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime
[15:16] <naftilos76> ii  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-lts-utopic       1:1.0.11-1ubuntu2~trusty1             amd64        X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver
[15:17] <naftilos76> After doing dpkg -l | grep nvidia i got nothing so it is clear that nouveau is the selected driver at the moment
[15:18] <naftilos76> I suspect that this is clearly a matter of vertical or horizontal refresh. I installed kubuntu 15.04 and the grapchis were fine.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> hybrid graphics setups like Optimus with 2 gpus , usually intel and nvidia are problematic on kubuntu, but I have seen users manage their setups with nvidia-prime. naftilos76
[15:20] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, you might get somewhere with the suggestions here , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2207431
[15:21] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Thank you. I saw a few links about nvidia-prime. I will have a try. I will also have a look at your link. Thanks again.
[15:22] <eXistenZe> hey
[15:22] <eXistenZe> how can I find the name of the package to uninstall the icon in the systemtray fo instant messaging?
[15:23] <eXistenZe> I had already uninstalled everything IM related, but when upgrading with kubuntu backport ppa it installed the systray icon again
[15:23] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, i really don't have much knowledge/experience with dual graphics setups. Some users end up switching off the intel lower power gpu and use the nvidia exclusively, but I'm not sure how that is done.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> eXistenZe, check your "system tray settings"
[15:44] <Bizarromurphy> Hi
[15:45] <Bizarromurphy> I just installed kubuntu and I'm having trouble figuring out how to connecting to WiFi
[15:49] <ShalokShalom> Bizarromurphy: you find the icon in the panel ?
[15:50] <Bizarromurphy> Which icon
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> the wlan icon
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> network
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> which kubuntu ?
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> 15.04 ?
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> you check md5 ?
[15:52] <Bizarromurphy> I think it's 14.04
[15:52] <BluesKaj>  Bizarromurphy, hold your cursor over easch icon in right side of the panel , you'll find network manager
[15:53] <BluesKaj> Bizarromurphy, run, lsb_release  -a, in the terminal to find which kubuntu version
[15:54] <Bizarromurphy> 12.04
[15:54] <ShalokShalom> ah, i see
[15:54] <ShalokShalom> much fun ^^
[15:55] <ShalokShalom> how new is your device ?
[15:55] <Bizarromurphy> 12.04.5 lts
[15:55] <ShalokShalom> ah, ok
[15:55] <Bizarromurphy> Just got it
[15:55] <Bizarromurphy> Used an online instructions to install kde
[15:56] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: which kernel? should I go with 3.14 latest?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, I have no idea, I just use the default kernel. My kernel testing days are over since I found running non default kernels as unproductive.which in your case may be different
[16:04] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I switched back to using the default kernels for the same reason ...
[16:05] <lordievader> mr-rich: Switching back to radeon ain't an option?
[16:05] <TJ->  I'm finding v4.1 significantly faster, and more responsive, than the default kernels
[16:06] <mr-rich> lordievader: I use the proprietry divers
[16:06] <lordievader> TJ-: 4.x is rather nice indeed.
[16:06] <lordievader> mr-rich: I know, hence the question.
[16:06] <mr-rich> lordievader: much faster
[16:06] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[16:07] <mr-rich> $ uname -a
[16:07] <mr-rich> Linux rjwiii-P55A-UD3 3.13.0-55-generic #94-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 18 00:27:10 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:08] <BluesKaj> TJ-, what about system updates and upgrades?
[16:08] <TJ-> BluesKaj: what about them?
[16:08] <lordievader> Hmm. 3.14.1 seems to be the newest you can get without compiling it yourself.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> or default kernel upgrades for example
[16:08] <TJ-> BluesKaj: doesn't make any difference
[16:10] <mr-rich> lordievader: do they do security patches for that?
[16:10] <mr-rich> lordievader: looking at the dates, I assume not ...
[16:10] <BluesKaj> that wasn't my experience with a couple of kernels that were supposed to be faster
[16:10] <lordievader> Perhaps, not sure. I think TJ- will be able to answer that ;)
[16:12] <TJ-> All supported packages receive security updates
[16:12] <mr-rich> TJ-: is kernel 3.14.1 a supported package?
[16:13] <mr-rich> Doesn't look like it ...
[16:13] <lordievader> From the kernel ppa.
[16:13] <TJ-> An additional kernel is simply added to the boot config; it doesn't affect existing packages (on the priviso the kernel was built with similar/the sam CONFIG options as the Ubuntu kernels)
[16:14] <TJ-> mr-rich: mainline kernels aren't supported, they're for 'testing' but if you choose those you know you have to keep an eye out for security issues
[16:15] <mr-rich> TJ-: That's what I thought ... can't they roll this fix into 3.13.0 and issue an update?
[16:16] <mr-rich> TJ-: I switched back to default meny months ago and this problem only started happening recently ...
[16:16] <TJ-> mr-rich: I think I missed your specific issue. There needs to be a bug report in launchpad and a demonstrable regression for an update.
[16:17] <TJ-> mr-rich: For LTS releases that need more recent kernels you should use the supported HardWare Enablement packages
[16:17] <mr-rich> TJ-: There is a bug report ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1314787
[16:18] <ShalokShalom> especially for gpu issues, HWE
[16:18] <mr-rich> I switched back to default so I could get the updates ...
[16:19] <ShalokShalom> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:19] <lordievader> By the by, the radeon drive is quite okay if you don't use a lot of 3d stuff.
[16:25] <mr-rich> lordievader: I have a bad memory leak in Xorg
[16:25] <TJ-> mr-rich: I've allocated that bug to linux and set a milestone; it should get kernel dev attention now
[16:26] <lordievader> mr-rich: "After I removed it, Xorg stopped eating my RAM." Wouldn't that say the memory leak is in fglrx?
[16:26] <mr-rich> TJ-: Thank you!
[16:26] <lordievader> mr-rich: Anyhow what I mean is, you could run the radeon driver until this is fixed.
[16:27] <TJ-> lordievader: With the same driver installed, 3.13 and 3.15 show the issue but 3.12 and 3.14 don't
[16:27]  * TJ- blames the odd numbers
[16:27] <mr-rich> lordievader: what does fglrx actually do?
[16:28] <mr-rich> lordievader: is that 3-D? I may have installed it in a failed attempt to get Google Earth running ...
[16:28] <Krixvar> Hey TJ-, thanks for the help earlier, I managed to get it running!
[16:29] <Krixvar> Your messages were full or I would have let you know
[16:29] <mr-rich> lordievader: do you mean the open source driver? waaaaaay to much screen flicker ...
[16:29] <TJ-> Krixvar: Really? I'd best clean up! thanks for telling me
[16:30] <lordievader> mr-rich: Hmm, I've been running the radeon driver without issue for years.
[16:30] <Krixvar> TJ-: no problem! I ended up running boot-repair as a last attempt before waiting to hear back from you, and the commands it gave me to run in linux were broken but it suggested some windows command to redirect the bootloader to the ubuntu files and it worked
[16:30] <Krixvar> Got broken by the first apt-get upgrade I did but I know the process now haha
[16:30] <mr-rich> lordievader: I have 1600x1200 resolution ... flicker is huge ... :)
[16:32] <TJ-> Krixvar: with EFI both OSs should add a boot menu entry in the UEFO non-volatile variables on the motherboard
[16:32] <Krixvar> TJ-: That's not something I'm familiar with :/ I had to run  bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.exi from windows to get it working
[16:33] <lordievader> mr-rich: I have three screens, 1920x1080, 2560x1440, 1280x1024. No problem ;)
[16:33] <TJ-> Krixvar: I suspect the UEFI might also be set either to default to Windows and/or in fastboot mode whereby it doesn't look for user input at power-on
[16:33] <Krixvar> I'd boot up and it would go straight to windows without any grub
[16:33] <Krixvar> I turned off fastboot, but since its an OEM laptop that might be the case
[16:33] <TJ-> Krixvar: Yes, that is what you expect on UEFI... it manages the boot menu, the boot-loaders for GRUB and Windows stay separate and do not interact with each other
[16:34] <Krixvar> That's cool
[16:34] <Krixvar> So I'm assuming that the reason it broke on the apt-get upgrade was that it didn't reinstall grub with the --no-uefi-secure-boot flag?
[16:34] <TJ-> Krixvar: When you're in Linux, if you (re)do "grub-install ..." that will run the command "efibootmgr ..." which is the tool that adds an Ubuntu entry to the UEFI boot menu.
[16:35] <Krixvar> Cool, I just ran it again
[16:35] <TJ-> Krixvar: If you use "grub-install -v --target=x86_64-efi --no-uefi-secure-boot |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log" you can check in the log file that efibootmgr did its thing
[16:36] <TJ-> Krixvar: It should also set the Ubuntu entry to be the default entry which will start Ubuntu not Windows unless you choose otherwise at power-on
[16:37] <Krixvar> TJ-: Awesome, I ran it again and it's back to asking for a password to decrypt /boot so that's good
[16:38] <Krixvar> Not really sure why it didn't make ubuntu default the first time so I'll check next time I get the chance
[16:38] <Krixvar> aka next time it breaks from an upgrade
[16:38] <Krixvar> or is there some way to tell it to always use that flag when upgrading?
[16:38] <TJ-> Krixvar: It took me ages to see the reason I couldn't get the encrypted /boot/ to work with the GRUB install in the VM... then I used 'strings' on the grub module and realised cryptodisk wasn't in the signed image. I've reported it as a bug  it needs to be in there
[16:39] <Krixvar> TJ-: yeah, that's a strange issue.. I never would have figured it out haha I'm very thankful you were willing to help
[16:40] <TJ-> It was fun :)
[16:42] <Krixvar> Awesome, and I learned more about booting Linux in a day than I did in nearly 10 years of using linux
[16:43] <Krixvar> I'm looking to set this up on all my computers so I may be getting back in touch at some point if that's alright,
[16:43] <TJ-> It should stay the same if fastboot is off
[16:43] <Krixvar> Cool
[16:43] <TJ-> Yeah sure :)
[16:43] <TJ-> Now you can fix my issue of the day :D
[16:43] <Krixvar> haha I can try
[16:43] <Krixvar> gotta head out soon though
[16:43] <TJ-> heheh I doubt it :)
[16:43] <Krixvar> In the meantime though, its not possible to use this setup on an older computer with BIOS, right?
[16:43] <Krixvar> probably not haha :P
[16:45] <BluesKaj> TJ-, makes me think i should restore my laptop to uefi boot and gpt .I didn't have the patience to try installing kubuntu using uefi when I received the machine 2 yrs ago, so i wiped the drive clean and repartitioned from scratch,. Now, every once in a while I lose grub altogether and can't boot anything. Removing the battery for a few minutes usually restores grub , but it's becoming a pita.
[16:45] <TJ-> I got a mini-PCIe SSD that doesn't work ... PC goes through BIOS POST then hangs... turns out this supposedly PCIe V2 compliant device breaks on a PCIe V1 controller despite the fact the V2 standard mandates both versions must be supported
[16:46] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I do prefer UEFI ... it's much easier to debug and fix, especially if you've got an EFI shell available
[16:46] <TJ-> None of the old arguments over which boot-loader rules as with BIOS
[16:47] <Krixvar> TJ-: ahhh you're right that I don't think I can help much with that :/ sorry!
[16:47] <TJ-> I think the biggest problems for UEFI are the CSM and legacy BIOS boot support - that causes so much confusion because users aren't aware of which mode was used, or how critical it is during installation especially
[16:47] <TJ-> Krixvar: I've emailed SuperTalent hopefully I'll get an engineering response.
[16:48] <Krixvar> TJ-: awesome, that's probably your best bet. I'll be back very late tonight probably, thanks again for all the help :)
[16:49] <Krixvar> Oh do you have a link for the bug report you made so I can keep an eye on it as well?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> TJ-, guess, it's too late for me , I've read several tutorials on how to restore UEFI and GPT, and it looks pretty complicated so I haven't bothered trying
[16:50] <TJ-> BluesKaj: Depends on the partition layout as to whether you can create the space for the GPT... although UEFI can boot from MBR too, as long as you have a type 0xEF primary partition with the EFI system FAT16/32 file-system
[16:53] <BluesKaj> TJ-, i wiped all the original partitions completely, guess I just have to live with the boot problem ...I normally don't shut my laptop off anymore to avoid the proble. i just suspend.
[16:55] <TJ-> hmmmm... I need a way to have a script executed when lightdm service starts, before it launches Xorg
[16:56] <lordievader> TJ-: I suppose you can let systemd do that.
[16:56] <lordievader> The pre-exec is for that IIRC.
[16:56]  * lordievader is off for food
[16:56] <TJ-> No systemd here!
[16:57] <BluesKaj> TJ-, what are you running?
[16:58] <TJ-> 14.04 so upstart
[16:58] <BluesKaj> right
[16:59] <TJ-> I have to dynamically re-write xorg.conf each boot
[16:59] <BluesKaj> even debian jessie is using systemd, but the lightdm greeter
[17:04] <BluesKaj> reverted my main OS to one that runs kde4/plasma4 , plasma 5/kf5 is ok, but it dropped some of my fav features which I really missed , it's nice to have them back
[17:04] <TJ-> IT really annoys me when developers scratch their own itch like that rather than ask users what they want
[17:05] <BluesKaj> agreed
[17:13] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:26] <L4bR4t> In system setting->input devices I set a keybd shortcut to disable my touchpad.  it works up until I close system settings, then I can  no longer disable my touchpad.  Any ideas?
[17:52] <lordievader> TJ-: Upstart can have pre-scripts, if you put it in *.override or however it is called it doesn't get deleted with updates.
[17:53] <TJ-> lordievader: Hmm doesn't the override replace the original though?
[17:53] <lordievader> Err, yes. But you could copy it and make your changes.
[17:54] <lordievader> Ture, it ain't very pretty.
[17:54] <lordievader> True*
[17:54] <lordievader> For what it is worth, I rather like systemd's way of writing service files.
[17:55] <madeti> In kubuntu 15.04, KDE platform version 4.14.6, I have the following problem http://imgur.com/J7QqFr2
[17:56] <madeti> 'places' in dolphin, vanish after some time
[17:56] <madeti> I don't know exactly what triggers it
[17:56] <madeti> is there a solution to it?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> madeti, have you updated and upgraded lately , it's a known bug that was fixed a while back
[18:06] <madeti> i think it showed up after a recent upgrade only, let me check if there is an update
[18:06] <lordievader> What version of plasma5 are you running?
[18:06] <madeti> lordievader: how to check?
[18:07] <madeti> plasmashell 5.2.2
[18:07] <madeti> and there is no update available
[18:07] <lordievader> Ah 5.2. You could consider jumping to 5.3 with the backports ppa.
[18:08] <madeti> won't it be in the official ppa anytime soon?
[18:08] <lordievader> Offical ppa?
[18:09] <madeti> i mean the normal sources
[18:09] <madeti> of ubuntu
[18:10] <lordievader> Ah, I don't think so. Anyhow the backports ppa is by the Kubuntu developers.
[18:11] <lordievader> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:12] <madeti> lordievader: is it stable?
[18:13] <lordievader> Err, can't tell. The only box that runs Plasma5 has Wily. I tested 5.3 on Vivid though, for me it was stable.
[18:16] <BluesKaj> yup  plasma 5.3 on Vivid is stable on my laptop
[18:20] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Thanks :)
[18:28] <mr-rich> How can I tell if fglrx is running? ps doesn't show anything ...
[18:37] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, glxinfo | grep OpenG
[18:37] <BluesKaj> correction glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[19:02] <mamba_> hello anyone familiar with mounting usb and cdrom drive
[19:06] <ikonia> what's up ?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> mamba_, mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive
[19:13] <BluesKaj> hey ikonia , ltns here
[19:19] <Jop_V> mamba_: It should mount automatically when you insert it...
[19:42] <sofia02071989> ciao
[20:52] <madeti> lordievader: added kubuntu backport ppa you mentioned, updated, upgraded, problem with dolphin still persists
[21:14] <lordievader> mr-rich: Or 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'.
[21:15] <lordievader> madeti: Hmm, that is too bad.
[21:15] <lordievader> madeti: Is there a bug report about it?
[22:30] <Guest11449> hi...can someone point me the best tutorial for nvidia optimus
[22:54] <valorie> !nvidia | Guest11449
[22:54] <valorie> !optimus