[07:37] <Kilos> morning theblazehen  and others
[07:39] <mazal> Mornings all
[07:39] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[07:40] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[07:40] <Kilos> hi Cryterion  
[07:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:40] <Kilos> dink nog daaroor en jy
[07:40] <mazal> lol
[07:40] <mazal> Okerig dankie.
[07:41] <mazal> Backup eta nou op 18 hours
[07:41] <Kilos> wow
[07:41] <Kilos> se dankie vir eskom
[07:41] <mazal> Looks like it is really gonna take more than 1 day
[07:41] <Kilos> something wrong there man
[07:42] <mazal> Nah is normal for 100mb , my router is the weak link , it's lan is 100mb , not 1Gb
[07:42] <Kilos> oh ok not direct connection
[07:42] <mazal> Nope , stupid OS to Ubuntu server over lan
[07:44] <mazal> I have a 1Gb switch , but don't have a spare power plug and space for it to stand , so sommer use the router's lan ports
[07:45] <Kilos> i was impressed with the speed through a switch
[07:45]  * mazal checks the day's agenda
[07:46] <mazal> eat - play - eat again - play again - check backup progress - play further
[07:46] <mazal> I love winter agendas :)
[07:57] <Kilos> lol
[08:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:35] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[08:35] <inetpro> mazal: what's the size of your backup?
[08:36] <Kilos> 1.2TB
[08:36] <mazal> Morning Inetpro , 1.2TB
[08:37] <inetpro> and the connection speed?
[08:39] <mazal> 100Mb
[08:40] <inetpro> hmm... at a maximum of 100Mbps you can expect it to take at least 25.4 hours
[08:40] <Kilos> wow
[08:40] <inetpro> but it'll probably take longer
[08:41] <mazal> The estimate when started was 37 hours
[08:42] <inetpro> if the slowest link is a 100Mbps you'll probaly get more like 80% of that speed, thus more like >30 hours
[08:42] <mazal> Yeah
[08:42] <mazal> Fortunately I'm in no rush. Can't continue working until it's finished lol
[08:42] <inetpro> ai!
[08:43] <Kilos> he doesnt work weekends anyway
[08:43] <Kilos> just sleep eat and play
[08:44] <Symmetria> sup :P
[08:44] <Symmetria> heh, so, for those who are interested
[08:44] <Symmetria> http://server.alstonnetworks.net/global-network.png
[08:44] <Kilos> hi Symmetria  
[08:44] <Symmetria> heh, bandwidths arent showing cause that was taken from editor mode
[08:44] <inetpro> wb Symmetria
[08:44] <Symmetria> but that will show you just how large my network is ;p
[08:44] <mazal> Kilos, I actually have a big job waiting
[08:45] <mazal> Hi Symmetria 
[08:45] <Kilos> yay mazal  thats good
[08:45] <mazal> I have to clean all this data
[08:45] <Symmetria> lol, thats what you call a *complicated* network
[08:45] <mazal> Need to go through it all dir by dir and see what I actually still need and what can be deleted
[08:46] <mazal> Some of this stuff is coming from the 90's
[08:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:46] <inetpro> Symmetria: interesting diagram 
[08:46] <Symmetria> haha cleaning my shit up is almost impossible, there is just 2 much of it
[08:46] <Symmetria> so now I just accumulate more and add more disk space
[08:46] <mazal> Lots of old software and games that doesn't even work anymore
[08:46] <Symmetria> ;p
[08:47] <inetpro> and looks like you have a few single point of failures even
[08:47] <Symmetria> lol, last time I checked I had 1.4 million MP3's 
[08:47] <mazal> Symmetria, that pretty much somes up my data disk lol
[08:47] <mazal> I need to clean this shees
[08:47] <Symmetria> inetpro heh very few actually
[08:48] <Kilos> your mirror was sick for quite a while Symmetria  
[08:48] <Symmetria> remember, you arent seeing a client view there, so clients connected to routers that are spured off are most often connected to other routers as well
[08:48] <Symmetria> kilos yeah that should have been sorted, had raid issues
[08:48] <Symmetria> lol inetpro the scary thing is, almost every link on that picture is 10G 
[08:49] <Kilos> ah but you didnt tell us man and you werent here either
[08:49] <inetpro> nicely squeezed to fit on a single page
[08:49]  * Symmetria points at an email client ;p
[08:49] <Symmetria> heh inetpro well, its formatted for a 4K resolution screen
[08:50] <inetpro> Symmetria: what software is used to map it out like that?
[08:51] <Symmetria> inetpro its cacti with a plugin
[08:51] <Symmetria> on the cacti instance it actually live updates every 5 minutes with the traffic levels
[08:52] <inetpro> nice!
[08:53] <Symmetria> heh scary thing about that map, thats just the backbone
[08:53] <Symmetria> there is no human way to fit the whole edge of the network onto a map, because I'd be adding another 2 and a half thousand edge routers/switches to it if I wanted to do that
[08:54] <inetpro> Symmetria: what network is this?
[08:54] <Symmetria> heh thats the liquid backbone
[08:54] <Symmetria> from london all the way to zambia ;p
[08:55] <inetpro> interesting
[08:57] <Symmetria> heh the major pain in the ass with that mapping stuff
[08:57] <Symmetria> is that you have to do the layout manually
[08:57] <Symmetria> so you place all your routers, add all your links, and then add via points to the links to route them around stuff etc
[08:58] <Symmetria> and then associate the links with cacti graphs 
[08:58] <Symmetria> it takes *AGES* to put together a map like that
[09:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[09:01] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[09:04] <Symmetria> lol so outta interest
[09:04] <Symmetria> I looked at what the month long average of the bandwidth into my house is (actual usage)
[09:04] <Symmetria> and I'm living proof that once you get past a certain point, more bandwidth is pointless
[09:05] <Symmetria> I run an average of 37mbit/second to my house
[09:05] <Symmetria> coupla spikes to like 800 - 900 mbit, but mostly it just ticks away
[09:05] <Symmetria> heh, admittedly if you averaging 37mbit, you probably really need at least 100mbit line, but more than that *shrug* no point
[09:37] <inetpro> Symmetria: wow, only 37mbps average?
[09:38] <inetpro> would be interesting to see that over time as more speed becomes available to the masses
[09:40] <magespawn> i have often thought anything fast enough to stream video would suit most
[09:41]  * inetpro would be happy with 10mbps without any restrictions
[09:45] <inetpro> thinking about it, Symmetria surely your averages would look much different if you only had a 100mbps line?
[09:46] <Symmetria> inetpro lol, possibly, hard to say
[09:46] <inetpro> would probably be maxed out all the time
[09:48] <inetpro> all depends on how much data you actually transfer on a daily, weekly or monthly basis
[11:48] <mazal_> hmmm...
[12:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:37] <inetpro> .
[12:37] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[12:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:37] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[12:37] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[12:37] <inetpro> Kilos: how do we solve our cooking problems?
[12:38] <Kilos> what cooking problems inetpro  ?
[12:38] <inetpro> need some solution for using sustainable energy rather than power or gas
[12:38] <Kilos> thats tough
[12:39] <Kilos> gas was the alternite but very expensive now
[12:39] <inetpro> I think gas is still cheaper
[12:39] <Kilos> see if you can find 12v stoves or hotplates
[12:39] <inetpro> but not sustainable in the long run
[12:40] <Kilos> only way is solar
[12:40] <inetpro> how do you store the energy for use later at night
[12:40] <Kilos> bateries
[12:40] <inetpro> no man
[12:40] <Kilos> batteries
[12:40] <Kilos> only way
[12:41] <inetpro> heat kill batteries very quickly
[12:41] <Kilos> i used solar in utrecht
[12:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[12:41] <Kilos> no man solar to charge the batteries
[12:41] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[12:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:42] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/RoadPro-12-Volt-Portable-Stove-Black/dp/B00030DLEE
[12:44] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.olx.co.za%2Fq%2Fcamping%2Fc-808&ei=9dSXVeyaPIiPU5y6gvAE&usg=AFQjCNGlp7HwFxhhJ3kcH5tqM4i9pSgiTQ&bvm=bv.96952980,d.bGg
[12:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:44] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dometic.co.za%2Fproducts%2Fmobile-kitchen%2Fovens%2F&ei=9dSXVeyaPIiPU5y6gvAE&usg=AFQjCNE0sqIGMjnunMVafuObLkpBk4o-Jg&bvm=bv.96952980,d.bGg
[12:44] <Kilos> more sjoe
[12:46] <inetpro> hmm... that last link is interesting
[12:46] <Kilos> with our lots of sun solar is the wqay to go but outlay isnt min
[12:48] <Kilos> when i moved here i had lots of gas stuff and used to buy them big gas bottles and refil my smalll ones myself , but gas got expensive
[12:52] <Kilos> we use gas when power out here now. got gas lamps and stoves and smokers etc
[12:53] <Kilos> but mainly cook when power is on
[12:53] <Kilos> electric still cheaper than gas
[12:54] <magespawn> we have a gas stove mainly so that we do not have to think about when we cook etc
[12:54] <magespawn> electricity has always been unstable here in hluhluwe
[13:07] <inetpro> Kilos: did you read that article I tweeted?
[13:07] <inetpro> Elon Musk: The World’s Raddest Man
[13:07] <Kilos> nope dont often open twitter
[13:08] <inetpro> lot's of food for thought
[13:08] <inetpro> http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html
[13:08] <inetpro> very long but worth it
[13:10] <Kilos> ty
[13:15] <Kilos> oh inetpro  that tesla power ball is an option for peeps with money
[13:15] <Kilos> hehe
[13:15] <inetpro> power ball?
[13:16] <inetpro> s/ball/wall/
[13:16] <Kilos> its a storage system
[13:16] <Kilos> Maaz  google tesla power ball
[13:16] <inetpro> yes, but you mount it on your wall
[13:16] <Maaz> Kilos: "Tesla Powerwall - Tesla Motors" http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall :: "Press Kit | Tesla Motors" http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit :: "Tesla's Powerwall Is the Latest Step Toward Our Clean-Energy ..." http://singularityhub.com/2015/05/01/teslas-powerwall-is-the-latest-step-toward-our-clean-energy-future/ :: "Elon Musk Debuts the Tesla Powerwall -
[13:16] <Maaz> YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKORsrlN-2k :: "Why Tesla's Powerwall Is Just Another T…
[13:16] <Kilos> so what
[13:16] <inetpro> not ball
[13:17] <Kilos> i think one would need 2 or even 3
[13:17] <Kilos> oh that ya
[13:17] <inetpro> you can build your own
[13:18] <Kilos> yeah but the cost and time to get it as perfect as teslas makes it simpler to buy one
[13:18] <Kilos> dont forget you need to buy everything to build one too
[13:18] <Kilos> and know exactly how to assemble andset it up
[13:19] <Kilos> but 36k is heavy
[13:20] <Kilos> the tesla one is the best you can get
[13:20] <Kilos> and everything will work, no oops need more cash to try again
[13:21]  * inetpro wbbl
[13:29] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[13:30]  * nuvolari peek out from under the blankets
[13:30] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  
[13:30] <Kilos> lol
[13:30] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[13:30] <Kilos> amper tyd om weer te gaan slaap
[13:30]  * nuvolari is vrot van die verkoue :(
[13:30] <Kilos> ai!
[13:31] <nuvolari> gaan gesond bed toe, staan op met 'n gemors 
[13:31] <Kilos> ai!
[13:31] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[13:31] <Kilos> goed dankie seun
[13:32] <nuvolari> dis mooi oom
[13:32] <nuvolari> word dit al bietjie warmer daar?
[13:32] <Kilos> net al die buntu goed hou my te besig
[13:32] <Kilos> nee man dit vrek koud
[13:33] <nuvolari> dis nie heeltemal so koud hier nie, maar dis koud
[13:34] <Kilos> ja julle minimums is nie so kwaai soos hier nie
[15:38] <Kilos> inetpro  that was very interesting, quite a man elon musk
[16:36] <MaNI> powerwall is like the iphone of batteries, clever move by musk but just riding a new wave of batteries that was coming anyway :p
[17:17] <Kilos> are iphones good or bad?
[17:18] <Kilos> MaNI  ?
[17:36] <MaNI> depends on your point of view/preferences, mostly neither, they're just a device that timed what the market was already about to do anyway really well
[17:36] <Kilos> aha
[17:37] <MaNI> whats known as 'smart phones' now was coming regardless, in the scheme of things the existence of the iphone changed very little - the powerwall is similar
[17:37] <MaNI> 'lifepo' type batteries have been coming and is where things are headed anyway, its a smart move by musk and he will probably make a lot selling them to rich people, but it doesn't really change much in the grand scheme of things
[17:38] <MaNI> thats how I feel about it at least *shrug*
[17:38] <Kilos> well getting in first with anything is always good busines
[17:38] <Kilos> s
[17:39] <MaNI> thats the thing he isn't even first really, there are such things on the market already, as with iphone they weren't really 'first' either
[17:39] <MaNI> its just that because its a new market the initial players have not yet done wildly well
[17:40] <MaNI> they are the first to have the capital/timing/marketing to take advantage of the new market
[17:40] <MaNI> which is of course what matters at the end of the day :p
[17:41]  * Cryterion thinks MaNI should refer to a iPhone as an iCrap instead :)
[17:41] <Kilos> well he seems to have been innovated with quite a few things
[17:41] <Cryterion> an*
[17:41] <MaNI> Cryterion, well I'm trying to remain neutral, I'm not iphone fan but thats not really the point :P
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <Cryterion> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> wb inetpro  
[17:42] <Cryterion> I just never had any success with mine, failed on charging it's battery like my nokia did
[17:51] <MaNI> e.g. http://bosch-solar-storage.com/the-solar-power-storage-tank/the-system/ < predates powerwall
[17:52] <Kilos> tell me this tesla car and wall things
[17:52] <Kilos> are they in anyway connected to the tesla of old
[17:53] <MaNI> no, well other than that they use electricity :P
[17:55] <inetpro> thank you oom Kilos
[19:15] <inetpro> .
[19:20] <Kilos> ..
[19:21] <Kilos> hwhy dont you greet him
[19:21] <Kilos> why didnt
[19:21] <Trixar_za> Didn't see him? Oo
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> so how is Trixar_za  ?
[19:28] <Kilos> did you ans Squirm  ever manage to get together there
[19:28] <Kilos> s/ans/and
[19:32] <Trixar_za> Yeah - once. He's in Durbs for the weekend though
[19:32] <Trixar_za> Him and nuvolari tend to hang out more
[19:32] <Kilos> yeah i saw
[19:32] <Kilos> aha
[19:34] <Trixar_za> nuvolari also looks like he's turning into a fitness buff. Always up at like 5am to go for a run.
[19:34] <Trixar_za> I should follow his example :P
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <rusbus> Kilos I'm not a lurker, I'm a working man
[19:38] <rusbus> been super busy
[19:38] <rusbus> worked today
[19:38] <rusbus> will work tomorrow
[19:38] <rusbus> will work next weekend
[19:38] <rusbus> etc
[19:38] <Kilos> excuses
[19:38] <rusbus> got home not long ago
[19:38] <Kilos> ah ok then i forgive you
[19:38] <rusbus> :)
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe
[20:00] <inetpro> good night
[20:01] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:16] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:30] <mazal_> Night all