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| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 12:18 |
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| hyper_ch | hi BluesKaj | 12:22 |
| BluesKaj | hey hyper_ch | 12:22 |
| hyper_ch | slowly I get nixos to a usable state: https://github.com/sjau/nixos/blob/master/configuration.nix | 12:22 |
| hyper_ch | and it's way too hot to fiddle any more with it now | 12:24 |
| hyper_ch | still need to look at stuff like acpi and also setup default cron jobs and stuff | 12:26 |
| hyper_ch | you can do that directly in the config | 12:26 |
| BluesKaj | wonder how well it does networking, like VPN tunneling etc | 12:28 |
| * penguin42 tries to understand what it means about it's config | 12:29 | |
| hyper_ch | BluesKaj: well, I set it to use network manager | 12:30 |
| hyper_ch | but all system wide configuration you should be able to set in the config | 12:30 |
| hyper_ch | e.g. you could directly provide openvpn profiles and stuff | 12:30 |
| hyper_ch | penguin42: that's my configuration.nix file for NixOS | 12:31 |
| hyper_ch | BluesKaj: at the top I have the link to the man page options: https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/ch-options.html | 12:31 |
| hyper_ch | it's a very huge list | 12:31 |
| hyper_ch | and for package search, nox is nice | 12:32 |
| penguin42 | hyper_ch: Hmm, not that different to what you get in kickstarter etc | 12:32 |
| penguin42 | sorry, kickstart files | 12:32 |
| hyper_ch | penguin42: I don't know what kickstart files are | 12:33 |
| penguin42 | hyper_ch: They're what you feed to RHEL/Fedora installers (I think there's a version for Ubuntu) to preconfigure a system | 12:33 |
| hyper_ch | penguin42: well, here you setup the whole system using a configuration.nix file (or multiple ones that are included) | 12:34 |
| penguin42 | hyper_ch: Not as declarative though; https://academy.redhat.com/instructor/guide/instructorguide_ks.html | 12:34 |
| hyper_ch | you start live cd, do the partitioning, do hardware detection | 12:34 |
| hyper_ch | and then you just provide the configuration.nix and let it do all the rest | 12:34 |
| hyper_ch | penguin42: here's a huge list of options you can set.... https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/ch-options.html | 12:34 |
| hyper_ch | I'll try to switch over from kdm to lightdm some time... | 12:35 |
| penguin42 | hyper_ch: Yep, most distros have a way of doing that, although that looks a bit more organised; here's an example of an ubuntu preseed file https://sfxpt.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/get-the-debianubuntu-ready-and-customized-the-way-you-like-in-10-minutes/ | 12:36 |
| hyper_ch | penguin42: I've used preseed file for my debian servers where I install ispconfig | 12:36 |
| hyper_ch | https://github.com/sjau/perfectDebian | 12:36 |
| penguin42 | right | 12:37 |
| hyper_ch | BluesKaj: btw, do you do a lot of work with pdfs? combining pages, exracting etc? | 12:37 |
| hyper_ch | I like ispconfig on my servers and horde :) | 12:38 |
| BluesKaj | hyper_ch, no , merely a home user , no servers etc | 12:38 |
| hyper_ch | BluesKaj: well, since I submit brief electronically I have to work with pdfs a lot... so I wrote myself some action menu scripts for dolphin... just thought if you have to handle pdfs a lot you would find them useful https://github.com/sjau/pdfForts | 12:39 |
| BluesKaj | well looking at the work involved with the NixOS install. It looks rather challenging for my knowledge base :-) | 12:39 |
| hyper_ch | BluesKaj: well, all I did was (1) copying from other configuration.nix (2) bugging a friend who uses nixOS (3) bugging people in #nixos and (4) read manual | 12:40 |
| hyper_ch | (in order of how much I did) | 12:40 |
| hyper_ch | BluesKaj: all you need it a proper configuration.nix file ;) | 12:41 |
| BluesKaj | how long until someone reminds us that this is supposed to be an ubuntu chat | 12:41 |
| hyper_ch | channel topic doesn't say it's ubuntu+1 only | 12:42 |
| hyper_ch | one last thing I need to test on nixos is getting my smartcard to sign pdfs.... I think I have all I need for it but haven't tested so far | 12:43 |
| hyper_ch | btw, I reported the non-installable-wine issue as well as my install troubles.... network card not getting a connection and ssd not detected during install | 12:44 |
| hyper_ch | besides those issues, most seems to work well.... | 12:50 |
| BluesKaj | I don't see any advantages to a labourious installation procedure for an OS, that's why I don't have gentoo. Successfully installed Arch once but ai wasn't impressed with it at all , anticlimactic. Just because Nix usus a novel package management system doesn't mean it has any advantages over more easily installed OSs. | 12:59 |
| hyper_ch | well, it's good to know other things also | 12:59 |
| hyper_ch | who knows how long kubuntu will continue to exist - especially regarding the riddell situation | 13:00 |
| hyper_ch | also I like how easy it is to re-setup and you can hardly break once it's running... | 13:01 |
| BluesKaj | we'll see , there are other kubuntu/kde based OSs, that's why I'm exploring debian again | 13:01 |
| hyper_ch | although, with the move to sappy (or what's that new package manager called), ubuntu will also have atomic upgrades | 13:01 |
| BluesKaj | snappy | 13:02 |
| hyper_ch | I was close to it | 13:02 |
| TJ- | hyper_ch: If you want to seed an install for identical config every time just use a pre-seed file, that's what everyone else does! | 13:03 |
| hyper_ch | :) | 13:08 |
| hyper_ch | TJ-: another advantage of the atomicity is that you can have totally different profiles... want to test something out make a new rebuild... if it doesn't work... switch back | 13:11 |
| hyper_ch | the last week I've worked with it a bit and it looks really nice | 13:12 |
| hyper_ch | but I'm way too noob to actually use it for real this far ;) | 13:12 |
| TJ- | I use LXC for that | 13:15 |
| hyper_ch | after having used *buntu for the last 9 years almost exlusively as desktop it's time to check what else is out there ;) | 13:17 |
| hyper_ch | good old dapper drake :( | 13:17 |
| TJ- | hyper_ch: You should really be in #ubuntu-20 :D | 13:34 |
| hyper_ch | dapper drake was really nice | 13:40 |
| hyper_ch | wb Bluefoxicy | 14:17 |
| hyper_ch | wb BluesKaj | 14:17 |
| hyper_ch | don't you hate it when you type the first three letters of a nick and the tab-completion fails? | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | was checking my kubuntu 15.10 upgrades | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | too many blue ppl in here, but I have seniority, my nick's been registered since 2006 I believe :-) | 14:19 |
| hyper_ch | only two blue people :) | 14:19 |
| hyper_ch | btw, I had to alter my password on freenode a little while ago | 14:19 |
| hyper_ch | I registered... probably mid 2006 with my dapper drake install | 14:19 |
| hyper_ch | and chose a short password... well, reasonably long for the time back then | 14:20 |
| hyper_ch | and when I wanted to have a cloak for my host the friendly staffer told my that I need to have a longer password | 14:20 |
| hyper_ch | whois doesn't show when I registered :( | 14:21 |
| hyper_ch | ha, nickserver info helps - [16:22] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Nov 16 19:12:52 2006 (8y 33w 1d ago) | 14:23 |
| penguin42 | Registered : May 26 22:54:58 2001 (14y 6w 0d ago) :-) | 14:36 |
| hyper_ch | 2001... there was a movie about that year :) | 14:36 |
| lordievader | An awesome movie :D | 14:38 |
| lordievader | Also about 2010 ;) | 14:38 |
| hyper_ch | they even had tablets in that movie | 14:38 |
| hyper_ch | so way before apple ahd them ;) | 14:38 |
| hyper_ch | damn I was wrong... not hte password was the issue with the cloak but that I didn't set an email back then | 14:39 |
| * penguin42 prefers 2010 to 2001, 2001 has too much grunting and trippy bits | 14:40 | |
| * lordievader prefers the book over the film | 14:41 | |
| hyper_ch | they made a book out of the film? oO | 14:41 |
| hyper_ch | I've seen 2010 but I can't really remember it | 14:43 |
| hyper_ch | while I remember 2001 rather well | 14:43 |
| lordievader | The book and the film 2001 were made at the same time. | 14:45 |
| lordievader | There are differences though, in the book they go to Saturn, in the film only to Jupiter. | 14:45 |
| penguin42 | wasn't that because the director decided it would be too hard to do a good Saturn? | 14:45 |
| lordievader | That I do not know. | 14:46 |
| penguin42 | so which moon were the other civilisation on? | 14:46 |
| lordievader | What do you mean? | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | well, in 2010 wasn't the civilisation on Europe ? | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | oops | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | Europa! | 14:52 |
| lordievader | Ah, I've only read the book of 2001. 2010 and the other one, 2030?, are still on my list. | 14:52 |
| lordievader | But the monolith was on the Europ moon of Saturn in the book. | 14:53 |
| hyper_ch | there's a third book? | 14:53 |
| lordievader | Ah it was 2061: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2061:_Odyssey_Three | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | lordievader: But Europa is a moon of Jupiter | 14:54 |
| lordievader | There is even a third: | 14:54 |
| lordievader | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3001:_The_Final_Odyssey | 14:54 |
| lordievader | Am I mixing things up? | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | (Heck Saturn has a lot of moons - who knew of Jarnsaxa or Hyrrokkin) | 14:54 |
| lordievader | I am mixing things up, it was Iapetus. | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | hmm, that's very deathstar | 14:57 |
| * lordievader is off | 14:58 | |
| * penguin42 is surprised his new Wily install is on 3.19 | 16:28 | |
| penguin42 | yet his 15.04 install is on 4.0.0 | 16:29 |
| hyper_ch | you're doing it wrong | 16:33 |
| penguin42 | well, that is what I'm thinking | 16:33 |
| hyper_ch | Linux subi 3.19.0-22-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 16 17:15:15 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 16:33 |
| hyper_ch | also packages.ubuntu.com shows 3.19 for vivid/updates | 16:35 |
| penguin42 | hmm it's possible I installed the 4.0 fo rtesting at some point | 16:37 |
| penguin42 | but still, wily being still on 3.19 is a bit slow | 16:39 |
| Daekdroom | The kernel is probably still being tested before merging | 16:40 |
| xhoch3 | hello, I am researching for an article about click packages (in a series for new packaging formats under linux systems). Is there a place I can get the most up-to-date documentation about click packages as a start? | 17:17 |
| hyper_ch | what are click packages? | 17:20 |
| xhoch3 | the new packaging format of Ubuntu used on the Ubuntu Phone, that will come to the desktop, too, with 16.04 | 17:21 |
| popey | uh, no | 17:21 |
| popey | thats not accurate | 17:21 |
| xhoch3 | very hot stuff, I offered a magazine to do some research and write an article about it | 17:22 |
| xhoch3 | ok, then correct me, I need all info I can get | 17:22 |
| popey | uh, thats your job :) | 17:22 |
| popey | I'm not getting paid to write your article :) | 17:22 |
| xhoch3 | well, my job is squeezing that info out of you :D | 17:22 |
| popey | ok, in brief... | 17:22 |
| popey | click is used on the phone/tablet right now. | 17:22 |
| * penguin42 sees xhoch3 in the guise of Michael Palin in Brazil | 17:23 | |
| popey | In the future that will be phased out in favour of snappy packages | 17:23 |
| popey | by 16.04 there will be a build of Ubuntu which is based on snappy packages | 17:23 |
| popey | but it doesn't replace the traditional debian based image | 17:23 |
| popey | so by 16.04 you'll likely see multiple images, one snappy based, one deb based | 17:23 |
| popey | so those users who are using debian based installs can carry on doing that on an LTS release | 17:24 |
| popey | those who want to play with snappy can do that too | 17:24 |
| popey | clear? | 17:24 |
| xhoch3 | not quite, I think I have to read more about snappy | 17:25 |
| xhoch3 | what I didn't know was that click will be phased out | 17:25 |
| xhoch3 | I heard about Ubuntu Next, which is based on click (or snappy, as you say) | 17:25 |
| popey | yeah, will take a while, but we'll transition from click to snap | 17:26 |
| xhoch3 | is there detailed technical reference about snap? | 17:26 |
| xhoch3 | https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/tutorials/build-snaps/ | 17:27 |
| popey | https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ seen that? | 17:27 |
| popey | snappy is evolving, quickly. | 17:27 |
| xhoch3 | https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/packaging-format-apps/ | 17:27 |
| TJ- | xhoch3: The overview (narrative) documentation is very poor. This may help a bit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/583076/difference-between-snappy-and-click | 17:28 |
| xhoch3 | ok thanks, yes, I think users might be intered in how a package is build up, what are the advantages (and why), which files install where etc. etc. | 17:28 |
| xhoch3 | maybe even a short tutorial how to package an app | 17:29 |
| xhoch3 | but as I see, click and snap share the core ideas | 17:30 |
| popey | they're certainly similar | 17:30 |
| popey | snappy is an evolution on from clck | 17:30 |
| popey | *click | 17:30 |
| * penguin42 wonders if we get crackle and pop after those | 17:30 | |
| popey | :) | 17:33 |
| popey | It's grrrrreat | 17:33 |
| penguin42 | no, no, that's the other one | 17:34 |
| xhoch3 | popey, I think I will switch to the snappy version as fast as possible, will it be as reliable as the traditional image? | 17:44 |
| xhoch3 | fwiu, I would need to do a complete reinstall then | 17:44 |
| popey | I don't think there is a snappy desktop image yet | 17:48 |
| popey | I know it's being worked on by kevin gunn | 17:48 |
| xhoch3 | thanks, I dropped him a mail | 17:55 |
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