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parzzixso where can I be useful?00:00
parzzix:)00:00
parzzixI can do testing from VM..this is my only machine, can't risk buggering it up.00:02
parzzixpackaging? Who wants to teach me00:02
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mparillo_parzzix: If you ask tomorrow, late morning European time, somebody might be able to help on packaging. The usual mentor, Riddell, is taking next week off.00:26
parzzixthanks mparillo_, I'm open to helping to helping elsewhere...I just have learning to do.00:30
parzzixI put the message out on the mailing list also.00:31
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mparillo_The way I started to help was to ask questions. Depending on the answers I got, I raised bug reports or worked to improve documentation.00:33
mparillo_I also got into ISO testing for releases (Alpha 2 is coming up) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule00:35
mparillo_If you have a favorite application, especially if it is a KDE app, then deep-dive testing is always appreciated. And you can get started packaging it maybe.00:36
parzzixTesting in a VM good enough? Or does it need to be on hardware?00:53
parzzixthanks for the input by the way mparillo_00:55
mparillo_Testing in a VM is helpful. Many of the testers here use a VM. That said, you will sometimes get the 'works for me on real HW', and your bug will sit unless somebody confirms it on real HW. 01:04
mparillo_But, if you are serious about helping in a big way and can dedicate many hours to it, I believe the thing we are most short of is packagers. Be patient and ask here on Monday in eight days.01:06
parzzixokay thanks01:09
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valorienice to see you chipping in, parzzix01:39
parzzixi'll do my best valorie, I have a lot to learn01:53
valoriewe all start somewhere02:00
parzzixwell goodnight people...thanks again for all those who gave input.02:02
valoriesee you soon, parzzix02:02
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fewcha_Can somebody tell me how to install Qt 5.4 in Kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS ?04:40
valorieplease don't cross-post04:42
fewcha_sorry04:43
ovidiu-florinvalorie: pablomangustin is my brother, and he'll come to Akademy with me06:07
valorieoh very cool06:08
ovidiu-florinvalorie: he's still learning the inner workings of these communities (KDE and Kubuntu)06:10
valorieovidiu-florin: me too06:11
valorie:-)06:11
valoriepeople are complicated06:11
valorieI'll bet even Riddell gets surprised sometimes06:12
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ovidiu-florineven though, because of Nvidia he has been using fedora for a  couple of weeks now :(06:58
ovidiu-florinvalorie: ^06:58
ovidiu-florinhe's not happy06:58
lordievaderGood morning.08:34
viphttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343448#c16 oh that looks promising :)09:17
ubottuKDE bug 343448 in Panel "Mouse proximity doesn't show panel when "Windows can cover" option is set" [Normal,Confirmed]09:17
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sitterone of my fans is spinning incredibly loud and I am not quite sure why or which one :(10:51
sitterand we have no plasmoid to help me find out, oh this cruel world10:53
lordievaderlm-sensors?10:54
clivejositter, maybe you are compiling calligra in the background ;)10:55
sitterif only :P10:56
sitterthere is no cpu load to speak of10:56
clivejothat tends to make my fans go crazy10:56
sitterperhaps I should give the fans a good cleaning11:00
sitteror well, I think it's broken. time to buy a new computer xD11:01
lordievader:P11:01
lordievader"Yayy, I have an excuse for a new one"11:01
sitterwell, for tax purposes my present one is worthless anyway. so it's not like I don't already have an excuse 11:03
lordievaderWhat kind of machine are you running now?11:03
sitterSysinfo for 'smith': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.3.90 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-17-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz at 1618-3676/3900 MHz, RAM: 7619/7871 MB, Storage: 553/830 GB, 284 procs, 4.5h up11:06
sitterkonversation sure is magic11:07
lordievaderDecent machine, I'd say.11:07
sitteryes, but the fan!11:07
lordievader:P11:08
lordievaderCan't you replace that?11:08
sitteropening up the case seems like a bother11:08
lordievaderHaha, so rather than opening a case you simply order a new PC XD11:08
sitterand not doing anything about it is a health hazard what with causing headaches11:08
sitterso clearly my only option is a new workstation11:09
lordievaderClearly... ;)11:09
soeesitter: ping11:17
sittersoee: pong11:17
soeesitter: what kind of machine are you using, is it Dell laptop by any chance ?11:17
sitternope alienware x5111:18
soeehmm, one fan gone crazy on my laptop last week to11:19
soeeeverything was fine till i extended it with ssd disk11:20
lordievaderAlienware is Dell nowadays, ain't it?11:20
sitterlordievader: yes11:21
lordievaderCheck11:21
soeethere is i8kutils package that might help you11:21
sittersoee: I suppose laptops in general are very heat balanced so changes like that could well screw up heat flow11:21
soeesadly on my 7720 it makes lags everytime it calles fan11:21
soeesame with fancontrol, when interval ends its calling fan or sensor and makes 0.5-1s lag :/11:22
sittersoee: lag as in system freeze?11:29
soeeyes11:30
soeei tried also various BIOS version for Dell, from A12 - A1711:31
soeeon A13 fan works a bit better but after some time starts to be annoying like on other versions11:32
soeeso i ended up with lates A1711:32
soeeif not that lag i could use fancontrol to set speed for min and max temps defined 11:34
clivejoanyone know where the kde-connect source code is?11:38
sitterclivejo: search quickgit.kde.org11:40
clivejocant find the plasma5 11:41
sittermaster branch11:41
sitterkde4libs is kde4 branch11:41
sitterAFAIK anyway11:41
BluesKajG'Day folks11:47
clivejohi BluesKaj11:47
BluesKajhey clivejo11:48
soeehiho11:51
BluesKajhey soee11:56
soeeso iv seen some article about windows 10, and it is going to have VD and some volume etc. controls similar to Plasma 5 -.-12:05
BluesKajand a cli shell, which I believe W8.1 already has12:10
soeei never used 8.x 12:11
soeehave 7 on my laptop, oh and it starts in ~ 8 secons on ssd :)12:11
soeemy kbuutnu is slower but this might be related to my partitions: system in on ssd while /home is on old disk12:12
soeeso probably reading files with configuration from old disk slows whole booting process12:12
soeeRiddell: someone is working on Apps 15.04.3 ?12:14
* soee or Plasma 5.3.2 backport might be more important :)12:15
lordievaderHasn't 5.3.2 landed yet?12:17
Haudegensoee: I'd very much appreciate getting Plasma 5.3.2 on Kubuntu 15.04.  Plasma 5.3.1 keeps crashing and freezing.12:17
soeelordievader: in Vivid ?12:17
lordievaderI've tested it somewhere last week.12:17
lordievadersoee: Wily.12:17
soeein Wily yes12:18
soeebut not in VIvid and i think a lot of users would liek to have it in VIvid :)12:18
HaudegenACK.12:18
sgclarksoee: Haudegen:: I am working on 5.3.2 for vivid, was a holiday weekend here.12:39
Haudegensgclark: Thank you very much!  Is there anything a mere mortal can do to help?12:40
sgclarkwhen I am done you can test :) I will ask in here.12:41
Haudegensgclark: I have about 15 Kubuntu desktops, 6 are on Vivid and we have a lot of problems.12:41
sgclarkyeah alot of fixes in this batch.12:42
Haudegensgclark: I'll be happy to help.12:42
lordievaderPerhaps Haudegen should be added to the testers list? :P12:44
vipsgclark: will the update be available via ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports?12:45
sgclarkvip: after testing, yes12:48
Haudegenlordievader: What kind of result do you expect from a tester?  Bugreports in Bugzilla?  Do I have to have an account there or on Github?12:54
lordievaderTesters usually test iso's to see if they install correctly, or things like new plasma versions. Seeing if they install correctly, see if there are regressions. If we find bug we report them.12:55
lordievader!bug12:55
ubottuIf you find a bug in Kubuntu, please follow the instructions at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting to report the issue to the developers.12:55
ari-tczewsitter: hi, do you have any plans to merge pkg-kde-tools ?12:58
sitterno12:59
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Haudegenlordievader: OK.  I use aptitude for package management (not muon or other KDE tools).  That's not a problem I suppose.13:01
lordievaderI use apt ;)13:02
lordievadersgclark: Can you add testers to the factoid?13:02
Haudegenlordievader: OK, cool.13:02
sgclarklordievader: no sorry13:02
lordievaderHmm, who should I bug about it then?13:02
lordievaderRiddel?13:03
sgclarklordievader: he is on vacation13:03
sitterhe's on vacation13:03
sitterno bugging allowed13:03
lordievaderI know...13:03
lordievaderI'll look in the log who he normally asks..13:03
lordievaderAh, Tm_T could you add Haudegen to the testers factoid?13:04
sitterI think people can actually propose changes to the factoids13:05
sitteralas, I do not know the syntax :P13:05
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santa_hey, I have uploaded a new version of kde-config-systemd to my ppa18:10
santa_https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-kf5-experiments18:10
santa_please test and review if you can18:11
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clivejosanta_: what are your changes for kde-config-systemd?19:13
santa_clivejo: right now it doesn't even show up in the systemsettings, with my changes at least shows up, but I haven't tested that it actually works; the changes https://paste.kde.org/paktumfkn19:16
clivejoI found the change file, was wondering what changed upstream19:17
clivejosanta_: well it seems to be working19:23
yofelthat's lp #145240819:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1452408 in kde-config-systemd (Ubuntu) "kde-config-systemd doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145240819:24
clivejothanks yofel19:24
yofelI don't think you need to use debian-qt-kde.mk, just adding --with=kde with a build-dep on pkg-kde-tools does the trick19:24
yofeleither way works though19:26
santa_clivejo: that's great19:27
santa_yofel: would you upload it?19:27
clivejois powerdevil fixed yet?19:27
yofelsanta_: can't, not part of our packageset. One of the MOTU's needs to do that.19:29
yofelalternatively, attach a debdiff to the bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors19:29
santa_yofel: ok, thanks for the hint19:31
valorieshadeslayer became MOTU, right?20:28
valorieI think he returns tomorrow20:28
ScottKvalorie: He did, IIRC.20:32
ahoneybunMOTU?20:33
valorieMOTU=Masters of the Universe20:36
valorieaka those who can upload to Universe20:36
valorieobviously named by males of a certain age....20:36
valorieI remember my boys and their friends watching He-Man20:37
valorie:-)20:37
ScottKActually, it was named by mdz (Matt Zimmerman)20:37
ScottKIIRC he later came to regret the name, but it was too late.20:38
valoriehe's totally the same age as my oldest son20:38
valoriemet him at the Orlando UDS20:38
valorieit makes me smile every time it comes up20:39
valorie"I have the power!"20:39
valorieok, time to face the heat (literally) and water the flowers20:39
shadeslayervalorie: yes21:25
shadeslayerI'm MOTU21:25
shadeslayerwhats up21:26
* shadeslayer tries to whip DCI back into shape21:26
soeeis it normal that if i try to install kdenlive it wants to remove: kde-l10n-engb language-pack-kde-en ?21:32
valoriesounds strange21:36
shadeslayersoee: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install foobar21:42
shadeslayerand pastebin output21:42
shadeslayerI've used that command so many times that I actually remember the option by heart now >.>21:42
yofeljoin the club ^^21:42
shadeslayerwohoo21:43
shadeslayerI'm in a club21:43
shadeslayerHurray for that feeling of belonging somewhere21:43
soeeshadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832995/21:43
shadeslayerwat why21:44
valorieshadeslayer: read up to the santa<>yofel conversation21:44
valoriere: changes for kde-config-systemd21:44
shadeslayerok21:44
soeeshadeslayer: i shuld mention its Wily21:44
shadeslayersoee: aha21:46
shadeslayerkdenlive be stuck in proposed21:46
shadeslayerforever21:46
shadeslayerwith Riddell, me and sitter busy with CI efforts no one really looks at these things >.21:46
shadeslayer>.>21:46
soee-.-21:46
shadeslayermuch fun21:46
shadeslayerneeds automating away I say21:47
clivejowhat is CI ?21:47
valorieI'm trying to recruit more packagers21:47
valoriewe need moar21:47
shadeslayerfails to build on armhf21:47
shadeslayerofcourse21:47
shadeslayersoee: http://kci.pangea.pub/21:47
shadeslayeropengl issues, *ofcourse*21:47
valoriehow was your vacation, shadeslayer?21:47
shadeslayervalorie: most amazing21:48
shadeslayerI must visit again21:48
shadeslayerso much green21:48
valorieawesome, what did you do/go?21:48
shadeslayerScotland21:48
valorieoooo21:48
valorieso jealous21:48
shadeslayeror as I shall refer it to now, Riddellland21:48
soee:(21:48
valorieI would go again in a heartbeat21:48
shadeslayervalorie: it was amazing21:48
valoriewhich parts/cities/21:48
shadeslayervalorie: Loch Lomond21:48
shadeslayernear Glasgow21:48
valorieah, I was there as well21:48
shadeslayeralso went to Glasgow and Edinburugh21:49
valoriewe spent an hour walking around the village21:49
shadeslayerthough only saw the castle in Edinburugh21:49
shadeslayervalorie: yeah, it was amazing21:49
shadeslayerpictures can't describe it21:49
valoriestayed at the base of the loch in a B&B21:49
shadeslayervalorie: likewise21:49
valoriewe spent a week in Edinburgh and a few days in the Borders where my ggggrandfather came from21:49
shadeslayerI went to Fort William, Inverness ( accidentally managed to get there on the way to Fort William ) and a whole bunch of places21:50
valoriethat was complete magick21:50
shadeslayeryeah21:50
shadeslayerScotland is magic21:50
valorieggggrandmother's people were from near Inverness21:50
shadeslayerah :D21:50
valoriebut we didn't get to the north21:50
shadeslayeryeah, we lost our way xD21:50
shadeslayereasy to do 21:51
valoriehis people originally came from Stirling21:51
shadeslayerah21:51
shadeslayerthat's where we were staying21:51
valorieI went across the Forth Bridge that way!21:51
shadeslayerthat was the village I think21:51
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: ping21:51
shadeslayernear Luss21:51
valorieCowane street is named for his family21:51
ahoneybunhey valorie shadeslayer and soee21:51
soeehiho ahoneybun21:51
valorieLuss is where we walked around21:51
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: pong21:51
soeeoh what is it https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/systemd-kcm-1-2-0-released/ :)21:51
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: can you start a video hangout now?21:52
ahoneybun(I'm home)21:52
ovidiu-florinI was about to go to bed21:52
ahoneybunok nvm then21:52
soeewill it land in Plasma 5.4 ?21:52
valorieoh good, finally moved to KDE infra21:52
ahoneybunso we still are on KDE 4 or is it not numbered anymore21:53
clivejocould someone tell me what CI efforts are?21:55
shadeslayerclivejo: Kubuntu CI to package master on a daily basis21:55
shadeslayeryofel: someone needs to add libgl1-mesa-dev to the build-deps of kdenlive21:55
yofelahoneybun: we're on plasma 5.3, frameworks 5.something and applications 15.04.121:55
shadeslayerbut I'm not sure where that lives21:55
shadeslayeris that CI'd21:55
shadeslayerah yes it is21:56
shadeslayerah already fixed 21:56
ahoneybunyofel: so the KDE is just KDE21:56
shadeslayerapparently I fixed21:56
valoriekde is the community21:56
yofelahoneybun: "KDE" is the community, not the software now21:56
shadeslayerway back in March21:56
clivejowhat does CI mean?21:56
soeeuh one more nie news http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1507.0/02156.html21:56
shadeslayerclivejo: Continuous integration21:56
shadeslayerhurray for past me21:56
ahoneybunyofel: valorie something to add to the Manual21:56
clivejoahhh21:56
clivejoautomated packaging?21:57
shadeslayerclivejo: kind of21:57
shadeslayerso why did the build dep libgl1-mesa-dev not get pulled in21:57
shadeslayersgclark: ^ mind looking into this?21:58
soeewhat kernel verion will Wily use ?21:58
shadeslayersoee: dunno, best ask in #ubuntu-kernel21:58
valorieyes, that might be a good idea to add to documentation, however it is a packager/devel thing, not a user thing21:58
yofelis opengl even a thing on armhf?21:58
shadeslayerno, lets make it build first though :P21:59
shadeslayerright fix might be to install libgles1-mesa-dev on armhf21:59
soeebrb, need to change bios22:01
* valorie goes off to give blood22:02
ahoneybundamn lots of update in the LTS22:04
yofelshadeslayer: do you have a working local armhf build setup? I never managed to figure something out that works22:04
yofelcloses was sbuild, but that doesn't properly resolve dependencies22:05
shadeslayeryofel: https://cloud.scaleway.com/22:05
yofel*closest22:05
shadeslayeron demand arm servers 22:05
shadeslayerlocally, I use sbuild + qemu22:05
yofeloh, sweet22:05
shadeslayeryofel: yeah, decently cheap, 2 cents an hour22:06
yofeland I guess I'll try sbuild again, maybe I'll figure out what's broken for me this time22:06
shadeslayeroh noes, kdenlive fails on DCI too22:06
shadeslayer22:04:40 ../../src/monitor/videoglwidget.cpp:74:18: error: ‘GL_FLAT’ was not declared in this scope22:07
shadeslayerofcourse22:07
shadeslayer:)22:07
shadeslayergod I really need a way to mark optional build deps somehow22:08
shadeslayerapparently the dep resolver solves : libnm-dev | network-manager-dev , network-manager-dev as network-manager-dev22:09
shadeslayeroh oh22:10
shadeslayerecm should totally depend on qmake22:10
shadeslayerhttp://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/oxygen-fonts_binary_unstable/arch=amd64/53/consoleFull22:10
shadeslayerk sleep22:11
shadeslayernight22:11
soeeis there any chance to get this messages about FIFO etc. fixed when booting ?22:21
ScottKyofel: if you add the package to supported in the Kubuntu seeds, it'll end up in the packageset the next time the update script is run.23:01
yofelthanks for the reminder, I'll do that23:03
soeeis it safe to use powertop ?23:09

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