[00:00] <parzzix> so where can I be useful?
[00:00] <parzzix> :)
[00:02] <parzzix> I can do testing from VM..this is my only machine, can't risk buggering it up.
[00:02] <parzzix> packaging? Who wants to teach me
[00:26] <mparillo_> parzzix: If you ask tomorrow, late morning European time, somebody might be able to help on packaging. The usual mentor, Riddell, is taking next week off.
[00:30] <parzzix> thanks mparillo_, I'm open to helping to helping elsewhere...I just have learning to do.
[00:31] <parzzix> I put the message out on the mailing list also.
[00:33] <mparillo_> The way I started to help was to ask questions. Depending on the answers I got, I raised bug reports or worked to improve documentation.
[00:35] <mparillo_> I also got into ISO testing for releases (Alpha 2 is coming up) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[00:36] <mparillo_> If you have a favorite application, especially if it is a KDE app, then deep-dive testing is always appreciated. And you can get started packaging it maybe.
[00:53] <parzzix> Testing in a VM good enough? Or does it need to be on hardware?
[00:55] <parzzix> thanks for the input by the way mparillo_
[01:04] <mparillo_> Testing in a VM is helpful. Many of the testers here use a VM. That said, you will sometimes get the 'works for me on real HW', and your bug will sit unless somebody confirms it on real HW. 
[01:06] <mparillo_> But, if you are serious about helping in a big way and can dedicate many hours to it, I believe the thing we are most short of is packagers. Be patient and ask here on Monday in eight days.
[01:09] <parzzix> okay thanks
[01:39] <valorie> nice to see you chipping in, parzzix
[01:53] <parzzix> i'll do my best valorie, I have a lot to learn
[02:00] <valorie> we all start somewhere
[02:02] <parzzix> well goodnight people...thanks again for all those who gave input.
[02:02] <valorie> see you soon, parzzix
[04:40] <fewcha_> Can somebody tell me how to install Qt 5.4 in Kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS ?
[04:42] <valorie> please don't cross-post
[04:43] <fewcha_> sorry
[06:07] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: pablomangustin is my brother, and he'll come to Akademy with me
[06:08] <valorie> oh very cool
[06:10] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: he's still learning the inner workings of these communities (KDE and Kubuntu)
[06:11] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: me too
[06:11] <valorie> :-)
[06:11] <valorie> people are complicated
[06:12] <valorie> I'll bet even Riddell gets surprised sometimes
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> even though, because of Nvidia he has been using fedora for a  couple of weeks now :(
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: ^
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> he's not happy
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:17] <vip> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343448#c16 oh that looks promising :)
[10:51] <sitter> one of my fans is spinning incredibly loud and I am not quite sure why or which one :(
[10:53] <sitter> and we have no plasmoid to help me find out, oh this cruel world
[10:54] <lordievader> lm-sensors?
[10:55] <clivejo> sitter, maybe you are compiling calligra in the background ;)
[10:56] <sitter> if only :P
[10:56] <sitter> there is no cpu load to speak of
[10:56] <clivejo> that tends to make my fans go crazy
[11:00] <sitter> perhaps I should give the fans a good cleaning
[11:01] <sitter> or well, I think it's broken. time to buy a new computer xD
[11:01] <lordievader> :P
[11:01] <lordievader> "Yayy, I have an excuse for a new one"
[11:03] <sitter> well, for tax purposes my present one is worthless anyway. so it's not like I don't already have an excuse 
[11:03] <lordievader> What kind of machine are you running now?
[11:06] <sitter> Sysinfo for 'smith': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.3.90 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-17-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz at 1618-3676/3900 MHz, RAM: 7619/7871 MB, Storage: 553/830 GB, 284 procs, 4.5h up
[11:07] <sitter> konversation sure is magic
[11:07] <lordievader> Decent machine, I'd say.
[11:07] <sitter> yes, but the fan!
[11:08] <lordievader> :P
[11:08] <lordievader> Can't you replace that?
[11:08] <sitter> opening up the case seems like a bother
[11:08] <lordievader> Haha, so rather than opening a case you simply order a new PC XD
[11:08] <sitter> and not doing anything about it is a health hazard what with causing headaches
[11:09] <sitter> so clearly my only option is a new workstation
[11:09] <lordievader> Clearly... ;)
[11:17] <soee> sitter: ping
[11:17] <sitter> soee: pong
[11:17] <soee> sitter: what kind of machine are you using, is it Dell laptop by any chance ?
[11:18] <sitter> nope alienware x51
[11:19] <soee> hmm, one fan gone crazy on my laptop last week to
[11:20] <soee> everything was fine till i extended it with ssd disk
[11:20] <lordievader> Alienware is Dell nowadays, ain't it?
[11:21] <sitter> lordievader: yes
[11:21] <lordievader> Check
[11:21] <soee> there is i8kutils package that might help you
[11:21] <sitter> soee: I suppose laptops in general are very heat balanced so changes like that could well screw up heat flow
[11:21] <soee> sadly on my 7720 it makes lags everytime it calles fan
[11:22] <soee> same with fancontrol, when interval ends its calling fan or sensor and makes 0.5-1s lag :/
[11:29] <sitter> soee: lag as in system freeze?
[11:30] <soee> yes
[11:31] <soee> i tried also various BIOS version for Dell, from A12 - A17
[11:32] <soee> on A13 fan works a bit better but after some time starts to be annoying like on other versions
[11:32] <soee> so i ended up with lates A17
[11:34] <soee> if not that lag i could use fancontrol to set speed for min and max temps defined 
[11:38] <clivejo> anyone know where the kde-connect source code is?
[11:40] <sitter> clivejo: search quickgit.kde.org
[11:41] <clivejo> cant find the plasma5 
[11:41] <sitter> master branch
[11:41] <sitter> kde4libs is kde4 branch
[11:41] <sitter> AFAIK anyway
[11:47] <BluesKaj> G'Day folks
[11:47] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hey clivejo
[11:51] <soee> hiho
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[12:05] <soee> so iv seen some article about windows 10, and it is going to have VD and some volume etc. controls similar to Plasma 5 -.-
[12:10] <BluesKaj> and a cli shell, which I believe W8.1 already has
[12:11] <soee> i never used 8.x 
[12:11] <soee> have 7 on my laptop, oh and it starts in ~ 8 secons on ssd :)
[12:12] <soee> my kbuutnu is slower but this might be related to my partitions: system in on ssd while /home is on old disk
[12:12] <soee> so probably reading files with configuration from old disk slows whole booting process
[12:14] <soee> Riddell: someone is working on Apps 15.04.3 ?
[12:15]  * soee or Plasma 5.3.2 backport might be more important :)
[12:17] <lordievader> Hasn't 5.3.2 landed yet?
[12:17] <Haudegen> soee: I'd very much appreciate getting Plasma 5.3.2 on Kubuntu 15.04.  Plasma 5.3.1 keeps crashing and freezing.
[12:17] <soee> lordievader: in Vivid ?
[12:17] <lordievader> I've tested it somewhere last week.
[12:17] <lordievader> soee: Wily.
[12:18] <soee> in Wily yes
[12:18] <soee> but not in VIvid and i think a lot of users would liek to have it in VIvid :)
[12:18] <Haudegen> ACK.
[12:39] <sgclark> soee: Haudegen:: I am working on 5.3.2 for vivid, was a holiday weekend here.
[12:40] <Haudegen> sgclark: Thank you very much!  Is there anything a mere mortal can do to help?
[12:41] <sgclark> when I am done you can test :) I will ask in here.
[12:41] <Haudegen> sgclark: I have about 15 Kubuntu desktops, 6 are on Vivid and we have a lot of problems.
[12:42] <sgclark> yeah alot of fixes in this batch.
[12:42] <Haudegen> sgclark: I'll be happy to help.
[12:44] <lordievader> Perhaps Haudegen should be added to the testers list? :P
[12:45] <vip> sgclark: will the update be available via ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports?
[12:48] <sgclark> vip: after testing, yes
[12:54] <Haudegen> lordievader: What kind of result do you expect from a tester?  Bugreports in Bugzilla?  Do I have to have an account there or on Github?
[12:55] <lordievader> Testers usually test iso's to see if they install correctly, or things like new plasma versions. Seeing if they install correctly, see if there are regressions. If we find bug we report them.
[12:55] <lordievader> !bug
[12:58] <ari-tczew> sitter: hi, do you have any plans to merge pkg-kde-tools ?
[12:59] <sitter> no
[13:01] <Haudegen> lordievader: OK.  I use aptitude for package management (not muon or other KDE tools).  That's not a problem I suppose.
[13:02] <lordievader> I use apt ;)
[13:02] <lordievader> sgclark: Can you add testers to the factoid?
[13:02] <Haudegen> lordievader: OK, cool.
[13:02] <sgclark> lordievader: no sorry
[13:02] <lordievader> Hmm, who should I bug about it then?
[13:03] <lordievader> Riddel?
[13:03] <sgclark> lordievader: he is on vacation
[13:03] <sitter> he's on vacation
[13:03] <sitter> no bugging allowed
[13:03] <lordievader> I know...
[13:03] <lordievader> I'll look in the log who he normally asks..
[13:04] <lordievader> Ah, Tm_T could you add Haudegen to the testers factoid?
[13:05] <sitter> I think people can actually propose changes to the factoids
[13:05] <sitter> alas, I do not know the syntax :P
[18:10] <santa_> hey, I have uploaded a new version of kde-config-systemd to my ppa
[18:10] <santa_> https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-kf5-experiments
[18:11] <santa_> please test and review if you can
[19:13] <clivejo> santa_: what are your changes for kde-config-systemd?
[19:16] <santa_> clivejo: right now it doesn't even show up in the systemsettings, with my changes at least shows up, but I haven't tested that it actually works; the changes https://paste.kde.org/paktumfkn
[19:17] <clivejo> I found the change file, was wondering what changed upstream
[19:23] <clivejo> santa_: well it seems to be working
[19:24] <yofel> that's lp #1452408
[19:24] <clivejo> thanks yofel
[19:24] <yofel> I don't think you need to use debian-qt-kde.mk, just adding --with=kde with a build-dep on pkg-kde-tools does the trick
[19:26] <yofel> either way works though
[19:27] <santa_> clivejo: that's great
[19:27] <santa_> yofel: would you upload it?
[19:27] <clivejo> is powerdevil fixed yet?
[19:29] <yofel> santa_: can't, not part of our packageset. One of the MOTU's needs to do that.
[19:29] <yofel> alternatively, attach a debdiff to the bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[19:31] <santa_> yofel: ok, thanks for the hint
[20:28] <valorie> shadeslayer became MOTU, right?
[20:28] <valorie> I think he returns tomorrow
[20:32] <ScottK> valorie: He did, IIRC.
[20:33] <ahoneybun> MOTU?
[20:36] <valorie> MOTU=Masters of the Universe
[20:36] <valorie> aka those who can upload to Universe
[20:36] <valorie> obviously named by males of a certain age....
[20:37] <valorie> I remember my boys and their friends watching He-Man
[20:37] <valorie> :-)
[20:37] <ScottK> Actually, it was named by mdz (Matt Zimmerman)
[20:38] <ScottK> IIRC he later came to regret the name, but it was too late.
[20:38] <valorie> he's totally the same age as my oldest son
[20:38] <valorie> met him at the Orlando UDS
[20:39] <valorie> it makes me smile every time it comes up
[20:39] <valorie> "I have the power!"
[20:39] <valorie> ok, time to face the heat (literally) and water the flowers
[21:25] <shadeslayer> valorie: yes
[21:25] <shadeslayer> I'm MOTU
[21:26] <shadeslayer> whats up
[21:26]  * shadeslayer tries to whip DCI back into shape
[21:32] <soee> is it normal that if i try to install kdenlive it wants to remove: kde-l10n-engb language-pack-kde-en ?
[21:36] <valorie> sounds strange
[21:42] <shadeslayer> soee: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install foobar
[21:42] <shadeslayer> and pastebin output
[21:42] <shadeslayer> I've used that command so many times that I actually remember the option by heart now >.>
[21:42] <yofel> join the club ^^
[21:43] <shadeslayer> wohoo
[21:43] <shadeslayer> I'm in a club
[21:43] <shadeslayer> Hurray for that feeling of belonging somewhere
[21:43] <soee> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832995/
[21:44] <shadeslayer> wat why
[21:44] <valorie> shadeslayer: read up to the santa<>yofel conversation
[21:44] <valorie> re: changes for kde-config-systemd
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ok
[21:44] <soee> shadeslayer: i shuld mention its Wily
[21:46] <shadeslayer> soee: aha
[21:46] <shadeslayer> kdenlive be stuck in proposed
[21:46] <shadeslayer> forever
[21:46] <shadeslayer> with Riddell, me and sitter busy with CI efforts no one really looks at these things >.
[21:46] <shadeslayer> >.>
[21:46] <soee> -.-
[21:46] <shadeslayer> much fun
[21:47] <shadeslayer> needs automating away I say
[21:47] <clivejo> what is CI ?
[21:47] <valorie> I'm trying to recruit more packagers
[21:47] <valorie> we need moar
[21:47] <shadeslayer> fails to build on armhf
[21:47] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[21:47] <shadeslayer> soee: http://kci.pangea.pub/
[21:47] <shadeslayer> opengl issues, *ofcourse*
[21:47] <valorie> how was your vacation, shadeslayer?
[21:48] <shadeslayer> valorie: most amazing
[21:48] <shadeslayer> I must visit again
[21:48] <shadeslayer> so much green
[21:48] <valorie> awesome, what did you do/go?
[21:48] <shadeslayer> Scotland
[21:48] <valorie> oooo
[21:48] <valorie> so jealous
[21:48] <shadeslayer> or as I shall refer it to now, Riddellland
[21:48] <soee> :(
[21:48] <valorie> I would go again in a heartbeat
[21:48] <shadeslayer> valorie: it was amazing
[21:48] <valorie> which parts/cities/
[21:48] <shadeslayer> valorie: Loch Lomond
[21:48] <shadeslayer> near Glasgow
[21:48] <valorie> ah, I was there as well
[21:49] <shadeslayer> also went to Glasgow and Edinburugh
[21:49] <valorie> we spent an hour walking around the village
[21:49] <shadeslayer> though only saw the castle in Edinburugh
[21:49] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah, it was amazing
[21:49] <shadeslayer> pictures can't describe it
[21:49] <valorie> stayed at the base of the loch in a B&B
[21:49] <shadeslayer> valorie: likewise
[21:49] <valorie> we spent a week in Edinburgh and a few days in the Borders where my ggggrandfather came from
[21:50] <shadeslayer> I went to Fort William, Inverness ( accidentally managed to get there on the way to Fort William ) and a whole bunch of places
[21:50] <valorie> that was complete magick
[21:50] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:50] <shadeslayer> Scotland is magic
[21:50] <valorie> ggggrandmother's people were from near Inverness
[21:50] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[21:50] <valorie> but we didn't get to the north
[21:50] <shadeslayer> yeah, we lost our way xD
[21:51] <shadeslayer> easy to do 
[21:51] <valorie> his people originally came from Stirling
[21:51] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:51] <shadeslayer> that's where we were staying
[21:51] <valorie> I went across the Forth Bridge that way!
[21:51] <shadeslayer> that was the village I think
[21:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping
[21:51] <shadeslayer> near Luss
[21:51] <valorie> Cowane street is named for his family
[21:51] <ahoneybun> hey valorie shadeslayer and soee
[21:51] <soee> hiho ahoneybun
[21:51] <valorie> Luss is where we walked around
[21:51] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: pong
[21:51] <soee> oh what is it https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/systemd-kcm-1-2-0-released/ :)
[21:52] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: can you start a video hangout now?
[21:52] <ahoneybun> (I'm home)
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> I was about to go to bed
[21:52] <ahoneybun> ok nvm then
[21:52] <soee> will it land in Plasma 5.4 ?
[21:52] <valorie> oh good, finally moved to KDE infra
[21:53] <ahoneybun> so we still are on KDE 4 or is it not numbered anymore
[21:55] <clivejo> could someone tell me what CI efforts are?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> clivejo: Kubuntu CI to package master on a daily basis
[21:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: someone needs to add libgl1-mesa-dev to the build-deps of kdenlive
[21:55] <yofel> ahoneybun: we're on plasma 5.3, frameworks 5.something and applications 15.04.1
[21:55] <shadeslayer> but I'm not sure where that lives
[21:55] <shadeslayer> is that CI'd
[21:56] <shadeslayer> ah yes it is
[21:56] <shadeslayer> ah already fixed 
[21:56] <ahoneybun> yofel: so the KDE is just KDE
[21:56] <shadeslayer> apparently I fixed
[21:56] <valorie> kde is the community
[21:56] <yofel> ahoneybun: "KDE" is the community, not the software now
[21:56] <shadeslayer> way back in March
[21:56] <clivejo> what does CI mean?
[21:56] <soee> uh one more nie news http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1507.0/02156.html
[21:56] <shadeslayer> clivejo: Continuous integration
[21:56] <shadeslayer> hurray for past me
[21:56] <ahoneybun> yofel: valorie something to add to the Manual
[21:56] <clivejo> ahhh
[21:57] <clivejo> automated packaging?
[21:57] <shadeslayer> clivejo: kind of
[21:57] <shadeslayer> so why did the build dep libgl1-mesa-dev not get pulled in
[21:58] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ^ mind looking into this?
[21:58] <soee> what kernel verion will Wily use ?
[21:58] <shadeslayer> soee: dunno, best ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[21:58] <valorie> yes, that might be a good idea to add to documentation, however it is a packager/devel thing, not a user thing
[21:58] <yofel> is opengl even a thing on armhf?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> no, lets make it build first though :P
[21:59] <shadeslayer> right fix might be to install libgles1-mesa-dev on armhf
[22:01] <soee> brb, need to change bios
[22:02]  * valorie goes off to give blood
[22:04] <ahoneybun> damn lots of update in the LTS
[22:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you have a working local armhf build setup? I never managed to figure something out that works
[22:05] <yofel> closes was sbuild, but that doesn't properly resolve dependencies
[22:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://cloud.scaleway.com/
[22:05] <yofel> *closest
[22:05] <shadeslayer> on demand arm servers 
[22:05] <shadeslayer> locally, I use sbuild + qemu
[22:05] <yofel> oh, sweet
[22:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, decently cheap, 2 cents an hour
[22:06] <yofel> and I guess I'll try sbuild again, maybe I'll figure out what's broken for me this time
[22:06] <shadeslayer> oh noes, kdenlive fails on DCI too
[22:07] <shadeslayer> 22:04:40 ../../src/monitor/videoglwidget.cpp:74:18: error: ‘GL_FLAT’ was not declared in this scope
[22:07] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[22:07] <shadeslayer> :)
[22:08] <shadeslayer> god I really need a way to mark optional build deps somehow
[22:09] <shadeslayer> apparently the dep resolver solves : libnm-dev | network-manager-dev , network-manager-dev as network-manager-dev
[22:10] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[22:10] <shadeslayer> ecm should totally depend on qmake
[22:10] <shadeslayer> http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/oxygen-fonts_binary_unstable/arch=amd64/53/consoleFull
[22:11] <shadeslayer> k sleep
[22:11] <shadeslayer> night
[22:21] <soee> is there any chance to get this messages about FIFO etc. fixed when booting ?
[23:01] <ScottK> yofel: if you add the package to supported in the Kubuntu seeds, it'll end up in the packageset the next time the update script is run.
[23:03] <yofel> thanks for the reminder, I'll do that
[23:09] <soee> is it safe to use powertop ?