| histo | TJ-: in regards to ubottu, it seems they removed a bunch of useful suggestions and ignore new ones. | 00:28 |
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| daftykins | yep sounds about right | 00:33 |
| daftykins | every time i suggest something it gets ignored | 00:33 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:37 |
| Bashing-om | My shift is at an end. I will see yall, later. | 04:08 |
| lordievader | Gppd morning. | 08:37 |
| lordievader | Good* | 08:37 |
| Dylan_ | Hey | 09:20 |
| Dylan_ | What's up guys | 09:20 |
| lordievader | o/ | 09:20 |
| Dylan_ | What?? | 09:21 |
| lordievader | Dylan_: Just waving ;) | 09:21 |
| lordievader | o <-- head, / <-- waving arm | 09:21 |
| Dylan_ | Oh haha | 09:22 |
| Dylan_ | :)) | 09:22 |
| Dylan_ | What distro do you use?? | 09:22 |
| Dylan_ | I use Linux lite lol but like i emulate in virtualbox | 09:22 |
| Dylan_ | It's quite fast compared to ubuntu | 09:22 |
| lordievader | My main workstation runs Gentoo, and I have a test box running Kubuntu Wily. | 09:23 |
| Dylan_ | Nice | 09:24 |
| Dylan_ | Yeah I run my things on my windows 8.1 laptop with a core i3 1.90ghz and like it came with 4gb ram so I tried ubuntu omg it was so laggy I couldn't use it so I found Linux lite and I'm happy with it so i use with virtualbox :) | 09:25 |
| lordievader | Heh, an i3. | 09:26 |
| lordievader | Does that have VT-D support? | 09:26 |
| Dylan_ | can't click on the accretion tab but I guess so | 09:26 |
| Dylan_ | yeah an i3 hahaha | 09:27 |
| lordievader | Ah it does: http://ark.intel.com/products/81018/Intel-Core-i3-4030U-Processor-3M-Cache-1_90-GHz | 09:27 |
| Dylan_ | Yup that's the one | 09:27 |
| lordievader | I suppose most Intel cpu's support VT-d nowadays. | 09:27 |
| Dylan_ | But in virtualbox idk doesn't let me click the accretion tab | 09:27 |
| Dylan_ | Yea | 09:28 |
| lordievader | That is odd... | 09:28 |
| Dylan_ | I'm from australia just letting everyone know haha | 09:28 |
| lordievader | Too bad you are not running Linux as the host, else I would have recommended kvm :P | 09:29 |
| Dylan_ | Yeah I got windows 8.1 as host and Linux lite with a guest so and windows 2000 hahha | 09:29 |
| lordievader | Whoops | 09:39 |
| BluesKaj | G'Day folks | 11:47 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 13:06 |
| lordievader | o/ | 13:08 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: hello mate | 13:08 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 13:08 |
| lotuspsychje | fine tnx and you? | 13:08 |
| lordievader | Doing ok here. | 13:09 |
| lotuspsychje | just cam from the city (sunny weather) | 13:09 |
| MonkeyDust | i partially reconfigured my NAS connection, it shouldnt work before a NAS reboot, but it does... i'm happy, but i'm not getting it... | 15:31 |
| OerHeks | Now we are happy too | 15:32 |
| TJ- | I've been looking at the Hacker-Team source-code (Nation-state Malware insertion for stealing data) that has been exfiltrated from the company and posted on github, and in particular its core-linux module. It looks like it uses 0-days to compromise Linux machines and makes a lot of use of Ubuntu-specific packages, and appears to masquerade as part of the whoopsie error-reporting service. Looks like something we need to consider and take steps to protect ag | 16:32 |
| TJ- | ainst | 16:32 |
| OerHeks | TJ-, did you get all the 400+ gb??? i shaked my head when i saw the index | 16:38 |
| OerHeks | hi lotus | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: good evening mate :p | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | !info firefox | 16:40 |
| ubot5 | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 38.0+build3-0ubuntu0.15.04.1 (vivid), package size 39627 kB, installed size 96718 kB | 16:40 |
| OerHeks | 39 is only available for wily | 16:40 |
| TJ- | OerHeks: No, I focused in on the parts that attack Linux directly | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | omgubuntu says 40 is out and improved alot for linux | 16:41 |
| TJ- | I have 39 on 14.04 | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | strange | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-40-to-bring-better-performance-scrolling-and-graphics-on-linux-486110.shtml | 16:42 |
| TJ- | Using PPA mozillateam-firefox-next | 16:42 |
| OerHeks | beta .. they always have a next beta when a version comes out | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | right, im still on 38 here | 16:42 |
| TJ- | apt-cache says: Installed: 39.0~b7+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: nice :p | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | small improvements on 39 right | 16:43 |
| OerHeks | im on chrome, and i found out today that gmail asks a lot of questions, so many that you get scared | 16:43 |
| TJ- | I'm not sure if it's my system or a bug in 39, but it also wants to 'restore' tabs when it starts even though it closed down cleanly last time | 16:44 |
| TJ- | s/also/always/ | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah gmail gave me security warning loggin with my nexus7 ubuntu touch | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | and also on gm-notify indicator | 16:44 |
| TJ- | I run different Firefox profiles on each of my 4 X screens, some for research, some for docs, etc., and they all do it, so it's not a profile issue | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | so ive disabled untrusted apps | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: and you close all tabs and profiles before closing FF? | 16:46 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: No, I have it set to save tabs and reopen on start. But on start, 39 always offers the 'oops something went wrong, shall I reopen all your tabs' | 16:48 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: maybe it sees 'saving' tabs as an error on closedown? | 16:49 |
| TJ- | possibly, but as I say it's specific to 39, didn't happen with 38 | 16:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah might be | 16:50 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: good evening mate | 17:13 |
| EriC^^ | evening lotuspsychje | 17:14 |
| EriC^^ | how's it going? | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | great, what about you? | 17:15 |
| EriC^^ | great | 17:15 |
| EriC^^ | how's the shop coming together? | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | how i have not started yet | 17:17 |
| lotuspsychje | we need to buy a house first | 17:18 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: When do you plan on opening the shop? | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychje | then ill start the shop from there | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychje | fall-winter 2015 i think | 17:18 |
| lordievader | Hmm, I see. | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | a friend will build the webshop for me | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.ubuntushop.be/en/ | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychje | this looks already an interseting site | 17:20 |
| lotuspsychje | but ill try to make it simple and better | 17:21 |
| lordievader | Are you going to use the name Ubuntu? | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | no | 17:22 |
| lotuspsychje | lotus computers | 17:22 |
| lordievader | Ah, good. I get the feeling that Ubuntushop can get pretty sued. | 17:22 |
| lordievader | Ubuntu is still a trademark after all. | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah think so too | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | but its legal to mention the computers run 'ubuntu' right? | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | as the Os | 17:23 |
| lordievader | To refer to it sure. But they are using it as if they represent Ubuntu, not sure if Canonical is happy with that. | 17:25 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah think so neither | 17:25 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: http://www.ubuntushop.be/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38&Itemid=528 | 17:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lol 'windowsfree' computer :p | 17:26 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont think Ms would like that either :p | 17:26 |
| lordievader | Ooh, Joomla. | 17:27 |
| lordievader | Meh, legaly there ain't anything wrong with that. | 17:27 |
| lordievader | Err, wut? High end with an i3? | 17:27 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 17:27 |
| lotuspsychje | low end i7 then :p | 17:28 |
| OerHeks | if you say windows (tm) you are fine | 17:28 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 17:28 |
| lotuspsychje | but i wont use that on my site | 17:28 |
| lordievader | Also why don't the servers have any specifications? | 17:28 |
| lordievader | Crappy site. | 17:28 |
| lotuspsychje | just mention ubuntu running as Os and explain opensource | 17:28 |
| lordievader | You pay 1500+ euros and you have no idea what you are getting... | 17:29 |
| OerHeks | lotuspsychje, and give an option to buy without OS at all. | 17:29 |
| OerHeks | virgin drive | 17:29 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: for the users who want to install ubuntu themselfs? | 17:30 |
| lordievader | At least they mention Kubuntu. | 17:30 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: lol | 17:30 |
| OerHeks | or bsd, or fedora, who knows? | 17:30 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: yeah good idea | 17:30 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: ill charge 49 to install ubuntu LTS, the users who wanna install themselfs, can | 17:32 |
| lordievader | 50 euros to install Ubu? | 17:34 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: well the Os is free, but the barebone laptop will come without Os to me, and ill install the ssd + ubuntu install+tweaks+packages | 17:35 |
| OerHeks | no, make no price difference, just give them a dvd/usb with ubuntu 64 bit anyway :-D | 17:35 |
| OerHeks | that would i do. | 17:36 |
| lotuspsychje | ill have more then 2hours work on each box | 17:36 |
| lordievader | Yeah, you one time make an install then you image that install. Every next laptop is flash image + resize2fs... | 17:36 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: good idea | 17:36 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: and deliver ubuntu usb with ubuntu bootable also good idea | 17:37 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: I'm full of them ;) | 17:37 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: but i need to earn something right | 17:37 |
| lordievader | Anyhow, don't you think 50 euros is a bit overpriced? | 17:37 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: my ears are open | 17:37 |
| lordievader | I'm not spilling my beans all at once ;) | 17:37 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: well LTS, they will benefit years from it right, and never come back to me | 17:37 |
| OerHeks | those 50 euros are the profit people hope to make, buying without windows. | 17:38 |
| EriC^^ | guys i know this is offtopic but does anyone know something like microsoft office's word that is for free for windows? | 17:38 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: well the laptops i will buy barebone without windows and ms office, will save me 180 euro+ | 17:38 |
| lotuspsychje | so 49 to install ubuntu + ssd + tweaks i find that reasonable | 17:39 |
| OerHeks | abiword, openoffice, libreoffice, ibm office .. ( lotus) | 17:39 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: i will also do convertings windows to ubuntu + ssd also 49 | 17:40 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: was that for lotus or me? | 17:40 |
| lotuspsychje | existing win boxes | 17:40 |
| OerHeks | EriC^^, for you | 17:40 |
| lotuspsychje | i need to earn $$ for service right, not only selling hardware | 17:40 |
| OerHeks | didn't you know about those? | 17:40 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: oh ok, thanks | 17:41 |
| lotuspsychje | the whole idea of the business will be a fast ssd computer running bloody fast on ubuntu 6'bit LTS | 17:41 |
| EriC^^ | no, i thought they were linux only | 17:41 |
| lotuspsychje | 64 | 17:41 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: are those for windows? | 17:41 |
| OerHeks | http://www.abisource.com/download/ https://www.openoffice.org/download/ .. lotus if trialware now :-( i had a license once | 17:43 |
| OerHeks | if-is* | 17:43 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: ok, thanks :D | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks, lordievader check this configurator for price: https://www.bto.eu/bto-u-book-15cl16.html#product-configuration | 17:44 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: How much cheaper would your laptop be compared to the same running windows? | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | without windows and office and no hd | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: depends on wich windows version and wich ms office version | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | ill try to make the website with fixxed Os and ssd | 17:45 |
| lordievader | Something current, no Office. | 17:45 |
| lotuspsychje | ubuntu and samsung pro 850 | 17:45 |
| lordievader | 200 euros? | 17:47 |
| lordievader | More? Less? | 17:47 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: yeah around 180 | 17:47 |
| lordievader | With the included service costs? | 17:47 |
| lotuspsychje | wicj service | 17:48 |
| lordievader | For a laptop of around 500 euros that is quite nice. For laptops around 1k, 2k, I'm not sure if people will go for your machines. | 17:49 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: why not? | 17:49 |
| lordievader | Because percentage wise 200 euros on 2k is not a whole lot. And people love their Windows. | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | thats true some folks stick to windows | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | but ill work with the other folks :p | 17:50 |
| lordievader | Price is a good argument to switch, but ~10 percent. Don't know. | 17:51 |
| lotuspsychje | with a good personal service | 17:51 |
| lotuspsychje | and fast starting computer | 17:51 |
| EriC^^ | hire a hot girl to take care of sales | 17:52 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 17:52 |
| lordievader | That is allways a good way to sell stuff :P | 17:52 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: my gf is already hot | 17:52 |
| lotuspsychje | boobuntu computers :p | 17:53 |
| EriC^^ | genius. | 17:53 |
| lordievader | There you go, done deal. | 17:53 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: i need a promo video like you found for me the other day | 17:54 |
| EriC^^ | yeah i know what you're saying | 17:54 |
| EriC^^ | 2 spinning disks instead of 1, and they transform into 2 boobs | 17:54 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 17:54 |
| EriC^^ | what's the word, morph? | 17:54 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: what folder was that in again? | 17:55 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: lol ssd's dont have a spin :p | 17:55 |
| lordievader | You can make them spin :P | 17:55 |
| lotuspsychje | hehe | 17:55 |
| EriC^^ | /usr/share/example-content/Ubuntu_Free_Culture_Showcase/How fast.ogg | 17:55 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx | 17:55 |
| lotuspsychje | also keep in mind that my store wont be able to sell windows based software to earn | 17:57 |
| lotuspsychje | only hardware accesoires | 17:58 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2002/2186579912_cd2045628c.jpg | 17:58 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: lolll | 17:58 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: are those your 3 gf's?? | 17:59 |
| EriC^^ | once the shop starts working, you can expand too | 17:59 |
| EriC^^ | http://newstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ubuntu-desktop-bums.jpg | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | lolz | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | im sure that will bring more customers | 18:00 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: If i may make a suggestion; install some form of snapshot/recovery mini OS as well as the primary, with automated log collection tools, if you want to avoid time-expensive support if or when the user's mess up | 18:00 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: as lordievader suggested something with an image? | 18:01 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: If they're UEFI, *please* install the full EDK v2.x shell into /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI" so the thing will boot to something if they manage to wipe out the EFI boot entries | 18:02 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: lets hope they dont touch uefi stuff | 18:03 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: ill try to make them clear when buying :p | 18:03 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: before I retired, I used to own a group of IT companies that did a lot of small-business support contracts, and the thing that made us most profit was ensuring we but tools and procedures in place to efficiently provide support/rollback/recovery when the inevitable calls came in. | 18:03 |
| TJ- | s/but/put/ | 18:03 |
| lordievader | Just don't give them anyway into root? | 18:04 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: did you do linux computers too? | 18:04 |
| TJ- | makes not difference, sudo will do just as much damage | 18:04 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: make another user for them by default? | 18:04 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: on the server-side and some workstations but primarily it was Windows. This was back between 1990-2004 | 18:05 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 18:05 |
| lordievader | sudo is a way into root, i.e. disable that too :P | 18:06 |
| lordievader | It was more of a joke than real advice. | 18:06 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: Don't do anything non-standard in the primary installs, but install a safety-net at several levels (boot, mini-OS, snapshoting file-system) to provide protection and fast recovery. | 18:06 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: well most ppl will use GUI and use pass just for the update icon right | 18:06 |
| lordievader | For updates you need sudo ;) | 18:07 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: good idea | 18:07 |
| EriC^^ | easiest thing to do is make your own grub menu | 18:07 |
| EriC^^ | which you can boot from the boot options ( you add it in efibootmgr ), | 18:07 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: and things like either an rsync or git-commit on a cron job that saves the state or /etc/* and $HOME every day... that can be so invaluable | 18:07 |
| EriC^^ | and it runs an .iso off the hdd that will restore everything and keep /home intact for instance | 18:08 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: also nice idea | 18:08 |
| EriC^^ | call it recovery or restore pc or something in the boot manager | 18:09 |
| TJ- | EriC^^: GRUB might be dead... which is why I say install the full UEFI shell v2.x to /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI so that the PC will boot to a shell of some form no matter what, short of complete disk trashing | 18:09 |
| EriC^^ | TJ-: nah he makes a partition that has only grub and an .iso and it's in the efibootmgr called restore pc | 18:09 |
| EriC^^ | and it launches that efi partition, which has the .iso too | 18:09 |
| lotuspsychje | but most ppl wont even be able to mess up their box anyways, my 75 y old father works with LTS for years now, never been able to mess it up | 18:09 |
| TJ- | EriC^^: your ISO idea == my mini-OS ... a self-contained, networked, recovery suite with just the tools needed for efficient (anod possibly remote networked) recovery | 18:09 |
| EriC^^ | the user won't know it's there unless he mounts it manually | 18:10 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, putting it in the efibootmgr would be cool though | 18:10 |
| EriC^^ | they'd just press f9 when the pc starts, and select restore pc and voila | 18:10 |
| TJ- | EriC^^: Agreed, but not rely on it being there for it to start | 18:10 |
| EriC^^ | oem-like restoration | 18:10 |
| lotuspsychje | and there's always fresh install i can do in 15min on the ssd | 18:10 |
| * TJ- nods | 18:10 | |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: the problem with fresh install is user-data gets into some strange places... so maybe always have the /home/ in a separate file-system. | 18:11 |
| EriC^^ | yeah sure, give him a restore usb he can boot | 18:11 |
| EriC^^ | too | 18:11 |
| lotuspsychje | well im gonna sell data hd's too, and offer payed backups too | 18:12 |
| lotuspsychje | ive gotta earn for the store also right | 18:12 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: I found that the majority of the cost in selling PCs is post-sales support, not failed hardware, and especially in a retail environment selling to end-users there are legal obligations that can quickly wipe out your profit margin which is already going to be slim | 18:12 |
| lotuspsychje | but recovery/iso/uefi is good idea tnx to both! | 18:13 |
| lotuspsychje | faster restore for me | 18:13 |
| lotuspsychje | =saves money | 18:13 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: that's it precisely, and possibly more useful word spreads how professional and efficient you are and how amazing your support is | 18:14 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:14 |
| TJ- | 98% of our new business used to come from recommendations like that... our advertising budget was 0 | 18:14 |
| lotuspsychje | mouth to mouth spread | 18:14 |
| lotuspsychje | is important for sure | 18:15 |
| TJ- | mouth to ear :) | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychje | and i know alot of ppl | 18:15 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: i think if you focus also on gaming you'd make a killing | 18:15 |
| EriC^^ | like lots of people want to get a cheap laptop for their kids with games they can play | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: but i dont hear such good things about steam these days | 18:15 |
| TJ- | open hardware with known good drivers and experience too | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: yeah thats gonna be some trouble, i dont want atheros or broadcom chipsets | 18:16 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: would the gamers not feel limited on just steam box? | 18:17 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: i was thinking more along the lines of 10 year olds or so | 18:17 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: all their mates playing high end stuff like the witcher3 or so | 18:17 |
| EriC^^ | cause i notice from the channel some people give their kids ubuntu cause they think they won't screw it up or so | 18:17 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:18 |
| TJ- | There's a large market for 'supervised' computing for parents to know what their kids are up to on the PC | 18:18 |
| EriC^^ | also most people in the channel are in college | 18:18 |
| EriC^^ | yeah exactly, many times people are like i want the pc to have net access only for 2 hours | 18:18 |
| EriC^^ | or i want to ban this and that | 18:18 |
| EriC^^ | which i get into fights with | 18:18 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 18:18 |
| lotuspsychje | i really hope someone invents a deamon tools linux version that can load up Iso's universal on any os | 18:19 |
| EriC^^ | anyways lotuspsychje you need to work for both parties, tell the dad how to ban the sites, and slip the kid a porn partition | 18:19 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: then ill sell a pc to father, mother and kid= 3x :p | 18:19 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: you gotta think ;) | 18:19 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 18:19 |
| EriC^^ | lol j/k | 18:19 |
| lotuspsychje | thats where to cool user part on ubuntu comes on.. | 18:20 |
| lotuspsychje | Dad, jamie,mommy,sister | 18:20 |
| lotuspsychje | everyone a /home to sleep in :p | 18:20 |
| ObrienDave | and a /root to wallow in ;P | 18:21 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:21 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 18:21 |
| EriC^^ | seriously though, you could maybe prepare iso's that are preinstalled with stuff | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | like one for college students who particular stuff | 18:22 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: i think ill use something like aptoncd perhaps | 18:22 |
| ObrienDave | wasn't there something like remastersys? | 18:22 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: but in categories like you say | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | and one for maybe kids that are 10 or so who their parents want to let them use the pc for a couple hours after homework | 18:23 |
| lotuspsychje | student,multimedia,gaming | 18:23 |
| lotuspsychje | if i clean install LTS on a samsung pro 850, will take only 15min with all updates | 18:24 |
| lotuspsychje | if i aptoncd after on the box could be quick right | 18:24 |
| lotuspsychje | or download the .debs on a stick perhaps | 18:24 |
| EriC^^ | yeah cause everything is already downloaded i guess | 18:24 |
| lotuspsychje | or maybe it will change to snappy soon,...who knows what that will bring as advantages | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | lets just hope, the regular users will be smart enough to bare with ubuntu future changes | 18:26 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: For your iso thing, you have mount ;) | 18:29 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: yeah but i mean to install + play the game in any os | 18:30 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: right now, an ubuntu box with high end card cant play GTA5 or so right | 18:30 |
| lordievader | ? | 18:30 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: would be nice to load the game iso on the raw hardware, not depending on the Os | 18:31 |
| lotuspsychje | the same windows box can play it normally right | 18:31 |
| lordievader | You mean let every game have its own os? | 18:32 |
| lotuspsychje | no, to load up games on any Os on the hardware with a deamon-tools like virtual tool | 18:33 |
| lotuspsychje | its hard to explain as it probably doesnt exist | 18:34 |
| lotuspsychje | you cant load GTA5 on a virtualbox windows8 from ubuntu neither right | 18:34 |
| lotuspsychje | but the box, can handle the game on the hardware (from proper windows) | 18:35 |
| lordievader | Why not? | 18:35 |
| EriC^^ | it won't have the graphics | 18:35 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah it will bottleneck | 18:35 |
| EriC^^ | and probably just 1 cpu etc. unless you give it more | 18:35 |
| lordievader | If you pass through a gpu I see no problem. | 18:35 |
| lordievader | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17qxEpn4EGs | 18:36 |
| TJ- | GPU pass-through is pretty well supported with modern CPUs | 18:36 |
| lotuspsychje | team fortress isnt a high end game | 18:39 |
| lordievader | Point is, you can game on a vm. | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah i know that lordievader | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | but not the high end games | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | some users video's ive seen can tweak alot of stuff indeed | 18:40 |
| lotuspsychje | make games like far cry run pretty fine on ubuntu | 18:41 |
| TJ- | If it were me I'd have a PC with a primary powerful GPU that can be used for games, and a DisplayLink USB adapter for connecting an external screen for the non-gaming GPU :) | 18:41 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: It can, passthrough a powerfull gpu and your done. | 18:42 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: would like to see that on GTA5 or the witcher3 :p | 18:42 |
| lordievader | Heh, GTA5 seems to run under Wine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb1jZRRrOo4 | 18:43 |
| ObrienDave | why would you want to run any high end game under wine? | 18:44 |
| lordievader | No idea. | 18:44 |
| ObrienDave | and, "because you can" is not a valid reason ;P | 18:45 |
| lotuspsychje | its gta4 and pretty laggy | 18:45 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: So back to your original idea/argument, I still don't get it. | 18:45 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: the idea would be to create a multi-Os tool that can load games on the raw hardware | 18:46 |
| lotuspsychje | (not depending on the Os) but running on the high end videocard | 18:46 |
| lordievader | The tool has the drivers for the hardware? | 18:46 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure how that would work | 18:47 |
| lotuspsychje | but it surely would be cool | 18:47 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: That's be fine if the games were written to a universal hypervisor interface, but they're not they're written specifically to the latest Windows/DirectX APIs in most cases, with some support for OpenGL | 18:47 |
| lordievader | You need something to talk to all the hardware... and that everything is different doesn't help. That is why we have os'es. | 18:47 |
| lordievader | Let the os deal with the hardware ;) | 18:47 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: well wine emulates abit like that right | 18:48 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: What does wine spell again? :P | 18:48 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: so a multi-Os wine tool lookalike that can run game is'os | 18:48 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: bad headache? :p | 18:49 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: Wine is not an emulator ;) | 18:49 |
| TJ- | wine doesn't emulate it directly implements a large number of the Windows APIs and translates them into equivalent Linux/OpenGL function calls | 18:49 |
| lotuspsychje | ok, but you get the idea what i mean right | 18:50 |
| TJ- | that's why running in wine is the same performance as on Windows *if* the APIs are implemented. The problem is, there are *thousands* of APIs and many are undocumented or documented incorrectly, so wine has to even re-implement Windows bugs to make it compatible | 18:50 |
| lordievader | Sort of. I think if you set out to make something like that that you will get a major headache. | 18:51 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe in the future, someone bright might invent it | 18:51 |
| TJ- | Crossover have been doing the commercial side of Wine for a decade or so and they're still playing catch-up :) | 18:51 |
| lordievader | Does anyone here program on mechanical keyboards? | 18:51 |
| TJ- | All keyboards are mechanical aren't they? | 18:52 |
| OerHeks | EriC^^, | 18:52 |
| OerHeks | baja knows how to paste | 18:52 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: i dont follow | 18:52 |
| EriC^^ | you mean he's trolling? | 18:53 |
| lordievader | TJ-: Appearantly not. | 18:53 |
| lordievader | TJ-: http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2012/12/an-introduction-to-cherry-mx-mechanical-switches/ | 18:54 |
| TJ- | the only non-mechanical i can think of are touchscreens and laser detector types | 18:54 |
| EriC^^ | OerHeks: ? | 18:55 |
| lordievader | Yeah, ok. Per pure definition all keyboards are mechanical. But usually people refer to keyboards with Cherry MX switches as mechanical keyboards. | 18:55 |
| TJ- | alll moveable keys have a mechanical action even if that is to press down on a dimple of springy silicon | 18:55 |
| lordievader | Supposedly they are superior to the regular $20 keyboards. | 18:56 |
| TJ- | I prefer long-stroke keys, but I also prefer silicon dimples to metal springs | 18:56 |
| lordievader | I'm considering purchasing one, but they are rather expensive. | 18:56 |
| TJ- | I use Bluetooth Apple keyboards - the only Apple product I'll buy! | 18:57 |
| TJ- | I use them because they have the best action I've ever experienced | 18:57 |
| EriC^^ | i'm using a lame genius one right now | 18:58 |
| EriC^^ | i spilled soda on the laptop's keyboard and it's toast haven't gotten a replacement yet | 18:58 |
| EriC^^ | this one sounds like a freakin typewriter :) | 18:59 |
| OerHeks | :-( | 18:59 |
| ObrienDave | hot even the original IBM PC keyboard??? with the added mechanical springy sound? LOL | 18:59 |
| ObrienDave | *not | 18:59 |
| TJ- | EriC^^: just remove it, wash it out with detergent and hot water, shake it and blow-dry it for 10 minutes | 18:59 |
| EriC^^ | TJ-: i tried, it worked for one day after the spill, then suddenly it stopped | 19:00 |
| EriC^^ | i tried soaking it in alcohol over night and warm water etc. nothing fixed it | 19:00 |
| EriC^^ | i was pretty appauled as i've done my fair share of spills on numerous laptops and they never gave a problem | 19:01 |
| TJ- | EriC^^: debris in the silicon dimples usually; I generally strip a keyboard right down to bare PCB once a year to clean it thoroughly | 19:01 |
| EriC^^ | TJ-: i took all the keys off in the end, and washed it alot but it still won't work | 19:01 |
| TJ- | EriC^^: that's unusual, I wonder if contaminant got into the ribbon connector | 19:02 |
| EriC^^ | i could probably use it without the letters, i got a keyboard when i was about 15 once and it turned out to be a different language one, but i never returned it cause i had the keyboard pretty memorized anyways | 19:02 |
| ObrienDave | I owe, I owe, so off to work i go ;P *waves* | 19:02 |
| EriC^^ | TJ-: could be, some of the keys were acting up, like giving weird characters | 19:02 |
| TJ- | Yes, that sounds like shorting across the matrix | 19:03 |
| TJ- | some keyboards have multiple layers of flexible circuits with apertures where the silicon dimples fit, and contamination between can create new conductive pathways | 19:04 |
| EriC^^ | i see | 19:05 |
| TJ- | We used to deal with that kind of issue alot, to the point where at larger customers we pre-positioned replacement parts like keyboards so they could simply swap a new one in whilst wo took in, disassembled and cleaned the one they'd spilt coffee in :) | 19:07 |
| EriC^^ | heh :) | 19:13 |
| EriC^^ | pretty neat | 19:14 |
| TJ- | if you can avoid an emergency on-site call you save a lot of expense | 19:14 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, it's pretty efficient | 19:15 |
| TJ- | We could do 95% of the support remotely, so the only emergency issues we generally dealt with were failing hard disks and folks pulling out wires | 19:15 |
| EriC^^ | that's nice | 19:17 |
| JanC | lordievader: you can buy Cherry keyboards for reasonable prices? | 22:17 |
| OerHeks | v.a. 27 euro http://www.centralpoint.nl/toetsenborden/cherry/ | 22:23 |
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