| Kilos | morning all | 05:35 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | hi barrydk | 05:42 |
| mazal | Morning all | 05:59 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 05:59 |
| mazal | maaz coffee on | 06:12 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 06:12 | |
| mazal | maaz huge | 06:12 |
| Maaz | mazal: Excuse me? | 06:12 |
| mazal | maaz larger | 06:12 |
| Maaz | Sorry mazal No more than a beer mug full is allowed. Times are hard! | 06:12 |
| mazal | oi | 06:12 |
| Kilos | Maaz coffee please | 06:12 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Yessir | 06:12 |
| Kilos | Maaz large | 06:13 |
| Maaz | In a beer mug just for you Kilos | 06:13 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos! | 06:16 |
| mazal | maaz dankie | 06:16 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier mazal my vriend | 06:16 |
| Kilos | Maaz danke | 06:16 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 06:16 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen charl | 06:47 |
| Maaz | Kilos: charl was last seen 2 months, 11 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-25 10:09:58 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-04-25 10:35:22 PDT | 06:47 |
| Kilos | oh my | 06:53 |
| Kilos | why no one greeted Quejan | 06:53 |
| mazal | Oom Kilos, Quejan is a friend of mine that I converted fron Win to Ubuntu a while back | 07:28 |
| mazal | He also work here at same place as me and barry | 07:29 |
| Kilos | nice mazal why didnt you welcome him here | 07:29 |
| mazal | I wasn't here | 07:29 |
| mazal | Only saw now he was here | 07:29 |
| Kilos | i have some real life things to do at times as well | 07:29 |
| Kilos | oh well at least he knows how to get here | 07:30 |
| mazal | We are drwoning in work here this morning :( | 07:30 |
| Kilos | ok | 07:30 |
| mazal | Yeah I told him earlier this morning how to get here | 07:30 |
| mazal | He didn't know about irc | 07:30 |
| Kilos | i find that lots of old time irc users have all gone facebook and twitter | 07:31 |
| mazal | facebook s@$@$ | 07:31 |
| Kilos | i drag them back | 07:31 |
| barrydk | More almal | 08:37 |
| Cryterion | Morning | 09:19 |
| Kilos | hi there Cryterion | 09:20 |
| mazal | Morning Cryterion | 09:20 |
| Cryterion | Hows everyone? | 09:21 |
| Kilos | good ty and you? | 09:21 |
| Cryterion | All good | 09:23 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy inetpro | 09:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 09:57 |
| mazal | oom Kilos , maybe add where that meeting will be in which # | 10:24 |
| Kilos | oh sorry didnt i? | 10:25 |
| Kilos | het ek nie gese #ubuntu-africa nie? | 10:25 |
| Kilos | het jy nou die plant blog gelees mazal | 10:25 |
| mazal | No it is mentioned earlier in the post , but not that the meeting will be there | 10:25 |
| Kilos | planet | 10:25 |
| Kilos | oh ok ill do that ty | 10:26 |
| mazal | It should be obvious , but some will not put 1 and 1 together | 10:26 |
| Kilos | is that better? | 10:27 |
| mazal | Also , look at the title of the post: | 10:30 |
| mazal | http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-tcuQovmN.png | 10:30 |
| mazal | It says Miley , instead of Miles | 10:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:34 |
| Kilos | i think i tried to change that but had hassles with something or other | 10:35 |
| Kilos | maybe had something to do with my old blog interfering | 10:36 |
| Kilos | but if peeps call me miley it sounds like they like me | 10:36 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:36 |
| pieter2627 | afternoon all | 11:20 |
| Kilos | hi pieter2627 | 11:20 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 11:37 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:50 |
| Kilos | afternoon inetpro | 11:50 |
| Kilos | wb TinuvaMac | 11:59 |
| Private_User | Hi Kilos, hows it going? | 12:14 |
| Kilos | good ty Private_User and you? | 12:14 |
| Private_User | ah not too bad | 12:14 |
| Private_User | I have been wondering, how would the guys here convince somebody that ubuntu is the way to go or even linux for that matter? | 12:15 |
| Kilos | easy just say when you are tired of fighting virus and malware attacks and pc crashes come see me | 12:15 |
| Private_User | lol | 12:16 |
| Private_User | I have a friend who has a desktop but insists on installing windows even though he not prepared to buy it so he looking for a key online | 12:16 |
| Private_User | told him bring that desktop to me I will install ubuntu for him its free | 12:16 |
| Private_User | I even suggested installing ZorinOS if he likes the Windows 7 look and feel | 12:16 |
| mazal | Hi Private_User | 12:17 |
| Kilos | you can take a horse to water but you cant force him to drink | 12:17 |
| mazal | I always find 2 problems. 1. People to scared or lazy to learn something new. 2. Gaming | 12:17 |
| Private_User | but not he finds any excuse to not to install ubuntu even though he aint gonna be using that desktop for anything that would require windows | 12:18 |
| Private_User | LOL | 12:18 |
| Private_User | yeah you right Kilos | 12:18 |
| Private_User | hi mazal | 12:18 |
| mazal | I am currently working on my 2nd convertee | 12:18 |
| mazal | Told him to get a console for his games and ditch Win for Ubuntu | 12:19 |
| Kilos | to kde? | 12:19 |
| mazal | So far I'm not successful | 12:19 |
| Private_User | yeah mazal but if he only gonna use it for browsing the web and maybe downloading whatever but still | 12:19 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:19 |
| Kilos | Private_User then just push the virus malware threats | 12:19 |
| mazal | Then he falls in catogary 1 Private_User | 12:19 |
| Private_User | yeah you right, some people I guess are just stuck in their ways and like their comfort zone | 12:20 |
| Private_User | lol @ Kilos | 12:20 |
| Kilos | for option one tell them help is always here | 12:20 |
| Kilos | there is no comfort zone with win | 12:20 |
| Private_User | yeah I will tell him that when he tired of virus malware and PC crashing for no reason he can come speak to me | 12:20 |
| mazal | hehehe | 12:20 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:21 |
| Kilos | and with a pirate copy he will crash first time he looks for drivers or an update | 12:21 |
| Private_User | cause with win nowadays if you have an illegal copy or even the cracked version you probably not gonna be able to install their critical updates or their security updates | 12:21 |
| Private_User | yep @Ki | 12:21 |
| Private_User | sorry I meant yes to Kilos | 12:21 |
| mazal | Indeed , and worse than that , you are gonna start paying monthly subscription to use Win. That is not far away | 12:22 |
| Kilos | and win crash you bad once they see a pirate copy | 12:22 |
| Private_User | the only reason one would use windows these days is for work I would say and yes maybe some gaming | 12:22 |
| Private_User | lol | 12:23 |
| mazal | I am stuck due to gaming | 12:23 |
| Private_User | but as Kilos says you can take a horse to water but cannot make it drink | 12:23 |
| mazal | Worse decicion I ever made was to go from console to pc with that | 12:23 |
| Private_User | yeah I only use Win for work related when I have work | 12:23 |
| Private_User | although all my machines that have and supposed to be having ubuntu are in pieces | 12:24 |
| Private_User | LOL | 12:24 |
| mazal | oi | 12:24 |
| Kilos | sis man | 12:24 |
| Kilos | shame on you | 12:24 |
| Private_User | lol | 12:24 |
| * mazal checks the evening's agenda | 12:28 | |
| Private_User | lol | 12:28 |
| Private_User | speaking of I just asked my friend if he sorted his desktop he still waiting for a key | 12:28 |
| Private_User | I told him switch to ubuntu | 12:28 |
| MaNI | maybe you should knock on peoples doors and ask them if they have heard the good news | 12:30 |
| mazal | ? | 12:30 |
| Private_User | MaNI: good news? | 12:30 |
| MaNI | nevermind, just a Jehovah witness joke | 12:32 |
| Private_User | lol | 12:32 |
| Private_User | what should I say that hey did you know Ubuntu loves you even though you have sinned | 12:33 |
| MaNI | something like that :p | 12:33 |
| Private_User | i.e. even though you use windows | 12:33 |
| Private_User | lol | 12:33 |
| MaNI | and then ask if you can come in to talk about it... | 12:34 |
| MaNI | hehe | 12:34 |
| Private_User | LOL | 12:34 |
| Private_User | I sometimes like to say to those people did you know that all this was created to control the masses | 12:35 |
| Private_User | hehe | 12:35 |
| Private_User | but if you think about it thats exactly what MS did | 12:35 |
| Private_User | hehe | 12:35 |
| mazal | Bye for now | 12:37 |
| MaNI | load shedding scene has been silent | 12:38 |
| Private_User | anybody has or know where I can find a workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228? | 13:34 |
| Private_User | I have it disassembled and want to put it back together but forgot how to | 13:34 |
| Kilos | http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_fujitsu.html | 13:35 |
| Kilos | there are youtube vids as well | 13:35 |
| Kilos | Maaz google workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228 | 13:36 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "smontare fujitsu amilo li 2735 ms2228 disassembly repair - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGmxHy1VdIs :: "demostracion funcionamiento fujitsu siemens amilo li 2735 - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CeCwGGtUx4 :: "How to Upgrade, Repair, Disassemble a Fujitsu / Fujitsu-Siemens" http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_fujitsu.html :: | 13:36 |
| Maaz | "composants pour Fujitsu Siemens FUJITSU SIEMENS AMILO LI 2727" http://www.brakstar.com/boutique-in… | 13:36 |
| Private_User | thanks Kilos | 13:39 |
| Kilos | yw | 13:41 |
| Private_User | wow that first video is exactly what I want to see but alas not in english | 13:46 |
| Private_User | hehe | 13:46 |
| Kilos | hehe | 13:46 |
| Kilos | look at the pictures | 13:46 |
| MaNI | haha, how many extra screws you left with? :p | 13:47 |
| Kilos | lol yeah lappies seems to have way too many everytime | 13:48 |
| Private_User | LOL I want to avoid having left over parts hence my reason for looking for a guide to put it back together | 13:53 |
| Kilos | just use your browser to google google workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228 | 13:54 |
| Kilos | there might even be english vids | 13:54 |
| Kilos | maaqonly gives 4 links ot so | 13:54 |
| Kilos | Maaz | 13:54 |
| Kilos | maybe even add english in the search | 13:55 |
| Private_User | damn now my internet is buggering around | 14:10 |
| Private_User | anybody here experiencing connectivity issues with Cell C? | 14:11 |
| mazal | hmm , minetest server down , now I probably must work a bit :P | 14:25 |
| mazal | oom Kilos , you won't believe it , but I have another 300+ gig update to do lol | 14:26 |
| Kilos | eish | 14:27 |
| mazal | Also games | 14:27 |
| mazal | A backup of a backup | 14:27 |
| Kilos | eish | 14:27 |
| mazal | Oh well , van sit en staan kom niks gedaan. Let me configure it and start | 14:28 |
| === MaNI is now known as Guest9724 | ||
| Kilos | hmm... mani guesting again | 14:45 |
| Trixar_za | I added teleporters. I don't like them. | 14:46 |
| Trixar_za | Travel boxes are more fun | 14:46 |
| Trixar_za | Not so sure about Nether gates, but they're interesting. They drop you like -20000 below your starting point | 14:47 |
| === Cryterion_ is now known as Cryterion | ||
| === Guest9724 is now known as MaNI | ||
| inetpro | good mornings | 17:48 |
| inetpro | oops... I said that already? | 17:48 |
| inetpro | wb Cryterion | 17:48 |
| Cryterion | tks | 17:49 |
| Cryterion | Anyone here know much about distillation processes? | 17:51 |
| Kilos | hellooooo inetpro | 17:55 |
| Cryterion | heya Kilos | 17:56 |
| Kilos | ya boil the stuff , catch the steam on cooled pipes ans draing off the drops | 17:56 |
| Kilos | what do you want to distill? | 17:56 |
| Cryterion | lol, I know that, looking for some more in-depth info | 17:56 |
| Kilos | you want someone to draw you a still | 17:57 |
| Kilos | must be lots onlin | 17:57 |
| Cryterion | Alcohol obviously, but for a oil extraction process, not to drink | 17:57 |
| Kilos | e | 17:57 |
| Cryterion | Got a still, built my own, I know that side, more looking for a formula to calc the % at the end | 17:58 |
| Kilos | oh my | 17:58 |
| Kilos | dont try work it out man just see how much you can drink before you fall over | 17:58 |
| Cryterion | I'm a bit maticulate when it comes to this sort of thing | 17:59 |
| Kilos | and compare that to bacardi | 17:59 |
| Cryterion | lol | 17:59 |
| Cryterion | Vodka is the most purest | 17:59 |
| Kilos | i never liked vodca | 18:00 |
| Kilos | bacardi was lekker with coke | 18:00 |
| Cryterion | But can't seem to understand how they only get 43% 86 proof after 3 distills | 18:00 |
| Cryterion | Don't need flavour in what I want it for | 18:00 |
| Kilos | doent it get higher the more you distil it | 18:00 |
| Cryterion | better proof, better extraction of oil | 18:01 |
| Kilos | oil from wher? | 18:01 |
| Cryterion | Yeah | 18:01 |
| Cryterion | Herbs | 18:01 |
| Kilos | dont they press herbs to high pressure to get the oil out? | 18:02 |
| Kilos | ill ask sis | 18:02 |
| Cryterion | Oil dissolves very well in alcohol, so if I can get the highest proof, (Made myself preferably) the better (Cheaper) | 18:02 |
| Cryterion | Plenty online, been reading | 18:03 |
| Kilos | now you want to disolve the oil or you want to use it | 18:04 |
| Kilos | what end product you want | 18:04 |
| Cryterion | Use it at the end, idea is, dissolve, filter, distill (Recover Alcohol for reuse) but retain oil after that | 18:05 |
| Cryterion | Problem isn't there, I'm not at that point yet, it's in the production of the alcohol stage I have the questions | 18:06 |
| Kilos | then you just boil your mix in a still untill all the alcohol has steamed away | 18:06 |
| Kilos | actually i think it must be just under boiling point but just steaming | 18:07 |
| Kilos | ai! i cant remember all that stuffs | 18:08 |
| Cryterion | Yeah, but say after fermentation I have a wash with approx 10-20% alcohol content, what percentage do I have after 1 distill? | 18:09 |
| Kilos | imo it becomes higher after each cycle of distilling | 18:10 |
| Kilos | but that also depends on the quality of you first mix | 18:11 |
| Kilos | what are you fermenting | 18:11 |
| Kilos | best is yellow peaches, makes lekker mampoer | 18:11 |
| Cryterion | Yeah, I know, Vodka is distilled 3 times, resulting in 43%, starting from, in industry probably closer to 20%, so my Question or formula needed is How do I calculate it to estimate the gain | 18:12 |
| Kilos | you go to sleep with the yellow peach taste in your mouth | 18:12 |
| Kilos | lets ask the africa bot | 18:12 |
| Cryterion | Maaz: Make Alcohol | 18:13 |
| Maaz | Cryterion: *blink* | 18:13 |
| Cryterion | hmm | 18:13 |
| Cryterion | Maaz: Vodka | 18:13 |
| Maaz | Cryterion: Huh? | 18:13 |
| Kilos | http://homedistiller.org/distill/dilute/measure | 18:13 |
| Kilos | https://store.homebrewheaven.com/alcoholometer-p111.aspx | 18:13 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:13 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 18:14 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 18:15 |
| Kilos | ty for the time check | 18:15 |
| superfly | yeesh, my IRC client hasn't even had a chance to fetch the scrollback and you're pouncing on me already | 18:15 |
| Kilos | sorry | 18:15 |
| Cryterion | That'll help in measuring Kilos, tks | 18:16 |
| Kilos | yw | 18:16 |
| Kilos | inetpro http://www.roadtrucker.com/12-volt-cooking/12-volt-cooking.htm | 19:12 |
| Kilos | do you know slow cookers? | 19:12 |
| magespawn | good evening | 19:13 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 19:13 |
| Kilos | inetpro bottom of this one is a frying pan | 19:13 |
| Kilos | http://www.amazon.com/RoadPro-12-Volt-Portable-Stove-Black/dp/B00030DLEE | 19:13 |
| Kilos | MaNI you here? | 19:13 |
| MaNI | yeah | 19:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yo think one could use that on a daily basis? | 19:15 |
| inetpro | looks weird | 19:15 |
| Kilos | we often use slow cookers | 19:16 |
| Kilos | you can cook while at work | 19:16 |
| Kilos | similar to making a potjie | 19:17 |
| Kilos | gooi als in en eet heelwat later | 19:17 |
| MaNI | induction hobs probably come in dc | 19:18 |
| MaNI | or not :p just use gas or something :P | 19:20 |
| Kilos | MaNI solar panels supply how many volts? | 19:23 |
| Kilos | not 12 per panel? | 19:23 |
| MaNI | depends | 19:23 |
| Kilos | gas is expensive | 19:23 |
| MaNI | generally either 24v or 12v, 12v more common here | 19:24 |
| MaNI | but thats just a nominal thing they actually work in a rather large curve | 19:24 |
| magespawn | my 9kg generally lasts about 3 months | 19:24 |
| Kilos | i didnt know they made 12v, mine many years ago was 12 | 19:24 |
| MaNI | a '12v' panel puts out like 35v at 'max power' | 19:24 |
| Cryterion | Induction is a faster, yet more efficient way of heating | 19:24 |
| MaNI | sexier and geekier as well :P | 19:25 |
| Cryterion | Mani, 12V panel are about 35V open circuit | 19:25 |
| Kilos | me cant think what induction cooking would need | 19:25 |
| MaNI | also slightly safer | 19:25 |
| Cryterion | connect to a battery and see what happens | 19:25 |
| MaNI | mine are 45 Voc | 19:25 |
| MaNI | 64 Vmp | 19:26 |
| Kilos | whats Voc | 19:26 |
| MaNI | ergh | 19:26 |
| MaNI | *36 Vmp | 19:26 |
| Kilos | whats Vmp too | 19:26 |
| MaNI | voltage open circuit | 19:26 |
| Kilos | oh | 19:26 |
| MaNI | and voltage max power | 19:26 |
| Cryterion | Induction heating involves a magnetic transfer of current, the heat up something that is magnetic | 19:27 |
| Cryterion | the/to | 19:27 |
| MaNI | the second being what it will reach under 'ideal' circumstances - i.e. these are 310W panels, when they are outputting 310W they should be at 36V (roughly) | 19:27 |
| mazal | Night everyone | 19:27 |
| mazal | Sleep well | 19:28 |
| Kilos | night mazal | 19:28 |
| Kilos | you too ty | 19:28 |
| Cryterion | 310W/36V gives your amps | 19:28 |
| MaNI | I figured with the way induction hobs work DC may be practical for them, unlike other methods, but googling now I'm not seeing any :p | 19:28 |
| Cryterion | so roughly 9A | 19:28 |
| MaNI | love my AC induction hob though | 19:28 |
| MaNI | yeah these ones are 9A basically | 19:29 |
| inetpro | so you can run induction cooking from solar power? | 19:29 |
| Cryterion | Mani, I've had no luck on induction stuff, and I want to try use it in a test to boil off water | 19:29 |
| MaNI | inetpro, well I don't see a DC one so only with an inverter :p | 19:29 |
| MaNI | they are generally at least less wattage than a standard hob though | 19:30 |
| MaNI | Cryterion, no luck in what way? | 19:30 |
| inetpro | sounds interesting | 19:30 |
| Cryterion | inetpro, if you use a true sine inverter then yes | 19:30 |
| Kilos | much easier to learn to eat food raw | 19:31 |
| MaNI | haha | 19:31 |
| Kilos | this is too much brain work | 19:31 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:31 |
| Cryterion | Mani, finding enough info to get what I need, on an industrial level | 19:31 |
| MaNI | ah | 19:32 |
| Cryterion | Raw veggies, the BEST | 19:32 |
| Kilos | ok clever peeps is induction what a transformer does? | 19:32 |
| Kilos | raw meat very lekker too | 19:32 |
| MaNI | the downside to induction is you have to test all cookware you buy to see if a magnet will stick to it or not :p | 19:32 |
| MaNI | coils of a transformer do induction from what I understand yes | 19:33 |
| Cryterion | Yeah, but the transformer guys don't know, switching has to be done I believe, induction heating is heating a Metal Plate | 19:33 |
| Cryterion | I can design the rest, I just need the emitter | 19:34 |
| Kilos | hmm... thats something worth investigating methinks | 19:34 |
| MaNI | yep, the resistance to the magnetic field creates heat basically | 19:34 |
| magespawn | same sort of induction | 19:34 |
| MaNI | so cookware must be ferrous :p | 19:35 |
| magespawn | yes MaNI exactlly | 19:35 |
| Cryterion | In induction the Stainless Pot has a Mild Steel Plate sealed in the base, allowing it to be heated | 19:35 |
| MaNI | no idea on designing one though but like how mine works :P | 19:35 |
| Cryterion | ^^^^^ | 19:35 |
| Cryterion | Allu won | 19:36 |
| Cryterion | Allu won't work | 19:36 |
| MaNI | I've learnt a thing or two about stainless steel alloys from it as well | 19:36 |
| MaNI | some stainless steel pots work others don't | 19:36 |
| MaNI | depends on the alloy :p | 19:36 |
| Cryterion | Mild steel will heat from it, magnetic!!!, Stainless isn't, hence the plate being put there, other alloys might but they alloys not stainless | 19:37 |
| MaNI | yeah, in practice most stainless you run into is an alloy though | 19:38 |
| Cryterion | Stainless is an alloy in it own right | 19:39 |
| MaNI | heh | 19:39 |
| magespawn | i thought all stainless steel was an alloy | 19:39 |
| Cryterion | The higher level of chrome, less magnetic, higher grade stainless | 19:39 |
| MaNI | nickel is what makes the main difference apparently | 19:40 |
| MaNI | high quality stainless cookware usually has 10% nickel | 19:40 |
| MaNI | lower quality less | 19:40 |
| Cryterion | 316-Surgical 304-Food Grade (Non Magnetic) / 430,3CR12 (Magnetic) | 19:40 |
| Cryterion | Yeah, prob added | 19:41 |
| MaNI | gets a bit confusing :p | 19:41 |
| MaNI | for the emitter you need maybe you should speak to the induction geyser people | 19:42 |
| Cryterion | Chrome plays a big part as cheaper than nickle | 19:42 |
| Cryterion | Like tin mixed with aluminium | 19:42 |
| MaNI | theres some south african company that does 1 plater induction cookers and induction geysers, just can't remember their name | 19:42 |
| Kilos | only prob with inductions is that you need ac | 19:42 |
| Kilos | or somehow switch dc from +- all the tim | 19:43 |
| Kilos | e | 19:43 |
| Kilos | oh or with an inverter as you said MaNI ' | 19:43 |
| Cryterion | AC No prob for me, just need to find a stable source for a device to produce the field | 19:43 |
| Kilos | we thinking of power crash and also breaking free from eskom | 19:44 |
| MaNI | hehe, there are two different conversations mixed now :p | 19:44 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:44 |
| Cryterion | Trying to reduce their load in Megawatts | 19:45 |
| Kilos | it would be greaty to be self sufficient as far as all eletricity needs | 19:45 |
| Kilos | maybe i must go sleep and let my community have some rest too | 19:46 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:46 |
| Kilos | night all, sleep tight | 19:46 |
| Cryterion | Yeah I know, I work on that, but also trying to implement through the equip I build to reduce there usage | 19:46 |
| Kilos | my social community | 19:46 |
| Kilos | see inetpro im reading | 19:47 |
| Cryterion | If I can get rid of a 3kw geyser element to a 1kw induction device, then it not only save 2kw energy, but lowers maint in some way as well I would believe | 19:48 |
| MaNI | sounds worth looking into | 19:49 |
| magespawn | bed time for me, good night all | 20:08 |
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