[05:35] <Kilos> morning all
[05:42] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[05:59] <mazal> Morning all
[05:59] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:12] <mazal> maaz coffee on
[06:12]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:12] <mazal> maaz huge
[06:12] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[06:12] <mazal> maaz larger
[06:12] <Maaz> Sorry mazal  No more than a beer mug full is allowed. Times are hard!
[06:12] <mazal> oi
[06:12] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[06:12] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[06:13] <Kilos> Maaz  large
[06:13] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[06:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos!
[06:16] <mazal> maaz dankie
[06:16] <Maaz> Groot plesier mazal my vriend
[06:16] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[06:16] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[06:47] <Kilos> Maaz  seen charl
[06:47] <Maaz> Kilos: charl was last seen 2 months, 11 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-25 10:09:58 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-04-25 10:35:22 PDT
[06:53] <Kilos> oh my
[06:53] <Kilos> why no one greeted Quejan
[07:28] <mazal> Oom Kilos, Quejan is a friend of mine that I converted fron Win to Ubuntu a while back
[07:29] <mazal> He also work here at same place as me and barry
[07:29] <Kilos> nice mazal  why didnt you welcome him here
[07:29] <mazal> I wasn't here
[07:29] <mazal> Only saw now he was here
[07:29] <Kilos> i have some real life things to do at times as well
[07:30] <Kilos> oh well at least he knows how to get here
[07:30] <mazal> We are drwoning in work here this morning :(
[07:30] <Kilos> ok
[07:30] <mazal> Yeah I told him earlier this morning how to get here
[07:30] <mazal> He didn't know about irc
[07:31] <Kilos> i find that lots of old time irc users have all gone facebook and twitter
[07:31] <mazal> facebook s@$@$
[07:31] <Kilos> i drag them back
[08:37] <barrydk> More almal
[09:19] <Cryterion> Morning
[09:20] <Kilos> hi there Cryterion  
[09:20] <mazal> Morning Cryterion
[09:21] <Cryterion> Hows everyone?
[09:21] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:23] <Cryterion> All good
[09:25] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  inetpro  
[09:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[10:24] <mazal> oom Kilos , maybe add where that meeting will be in which #
[10:25] <Kilos> oh sorry didnt i?
[10:25] <Kilos> het ek nie gese #ubuntu-africa nie?
[10:25] <Kilos> het jy nou die plant blog gelees mazal  
[10:25] <mazal> No it is mentioned earlier in the post , but not that the meeting will be there
[10:25] <Kilos> planet
[10:26] <Kilos> oh ok ill do that ty
[10:26] <mazal> It should be obvious , but some will not put 1 and 1 together
[10:27] <Kilos> is that better?
[10:30] <mazal> Also , look at the title of the post:
[10:30] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-tcuQovmN.png
[10:30] <mazal> It says Miley , instead of Miles
[10:34] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Kilos> i think i tried to change that but had hassles with something or other
[10:36] <Kilos> maybe had something to do with my old blog interfering
[10:36] <Kilos> but if peeps call me miley it sounds like they like me
[10:36] <Kilos> hehe
[11:20] <pieter2627> afternoon all
[11:20] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[11:37] <inetpro> good mornings
[11:50] <Kilos> lol
[11:50] <Kilos> afternoon inetpro  
[11:59] <Kilos> wb TinuvaMac  
[12:14] <Private_User> Hi Kilos, hows it going?
[12:14] <Kilos> good ty Private_User  and you?
[12:14] <Private_User> ah not too bad
[12:15] <Private_User> I have been wondering, how would the guys here convince somebody that ubuntu is the way to go or even linux for that matter?
[12:15] <Kilos> easy just say when you are tired of fighting virus and malware attacks and pc crashes come see me
[12:16] <Private_User> lol
[12:16] <Private_User> I have a friend who has a desktop but insists on installing windows even though he not prepared to buy it so he looking for a key online
[12:16] <Private_User> told him bring that desktop to me I will install ubuntu for him its free
[12:16] <Private_User> I even suggested installing ZorinOS if he likes the Windows 7 look and feel
[12:17] <mazal> Hi Private_User
[12:17] <Kilos> you can take a horse to water but you cant force him to drink
[12:17] <mazal> I always find 2 problems. 1. People to scared or lazy to learn something new. 2. Gaming
[12:18] <Private_User> but not he finds any excuse to not to install ubuntu even though he aint gonna be using that desktop for anything that would require windows
[12:18] <Private_User> LOL
[12:18] <Private_User> yeah you right Kilos
[12:18] <Private_User> hi mazal
[12:18] <mazal> I am currently working on my 2nd convertee
[12:19] <mazal> Told him to get a console for his games and ditch Win for Ubuntu
[12:19] <Kilos> to kde?
[12:19] <mazal> So far I'm not successful
[12:19] <Private_User> yeah mazal but if he only gonna use it for browsing the web and maybe downloading whatever but still
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:19] <Kilos> Private_User  then just push the virus malware threats 
[12:19] <mazal> Then he falls in catogary 1 Private_User
[12:20] <Private_User> yeah you right, some people I guess are just stuck in their ways and like their comfort zone
[12:20] <Private_User> lol @ Kilos
[12:20] <Kilos> for option one tell them help is always here
[12:20] <Kilos> there is no comfort zone with win
[12:20] <Private_User> yeah I will tell him that when he tired of virus malware and PC crashing for no reason he can come speak to me
[12:20] <mazal> hehehe
[12:21] <Kilos> lol
[12:21] <Kilos> and with a pirate copy he will crash first time he looks for drivers or an update
[12:21] <Private_User> cause with win nowadays if you have an illegal copy or even the cracked version you probably not gonna be able to install their critical updates or their security updates
[12:21] <Private_User> yep @Ki
[12:21] <Private_User> sorry I meant yes to Kilos
[12:22] <mazal> Indeed , and worse than that , you are gonna start paying monthly subscription to use Win. That is not far away
[12:22] <Kilos> and win crash you bad once they see a pirate copy
[12:22] <Private_User> the only reason one would use windows these days is for work I would say and yes maybe some gaming
[12:23] <Private_User> lol
[12:23] <mazal> I am stuck due to gaming
[12:23] <Private_User> but as Kilos says you can take a horse to water but cannot make it drink
[12:23] <mazal> Worse decicion I ever made was to go from console to pc with that
[12:23] <Private_User> yeah I only use Win for work related when I have work
[12:24] <Private_User> although all my machines that have and supposed to be having ubuntu are in pieces
[12:24] <Private_User> LOL
[12:24] <mazal> oi
[12:24] <Kilos> sis man
[12:24] <Kilos> shame on you
[12:24] <Private_User> lol
[12:28]  * mazal checks the evening's agenda
[12:28] <Private_User> lol
[12:28] <Private_User> speaking of I just asked my friend if he sorted his desktop he still waiting for a key
[12:28] <Private_User> I told him switch to ubuntu
[12:30] <MaNI> maybe you should knock on peoples doors and ask them if they have heard the good news
[12:30] <mazal> ?
[12:30] <Private_User> MaNI:  good news?
[12:32] <MaNI> nevermind, just a Jehovah witness joke
[12:32] <Private_User> lol
[12:33] <Private_User> what should I say that hey did you know Ubuntu loves you even though you have sinned
[12:33] <MaNI> something like that :p
[12:33] <Private_User> i.e. even though you use windows
[12:33] <Private_User> lol
[12:34] <MaNI> and then ask if you can come in to talk about it...
[12:34] <MaNI> hehe
[12:34] <Private_User> LOL
[12:35] <Private_User> I sometimes like to say to those people did you know that all this was created to control the masses
[12:35] <Private_User> hehe
[12:35] <Private_User> but if you think about it thats exactly what MS did
[12:35] <Private_User> hehe
[12:37] <mazal> Bye for now
[12:38] <MaNI> load shedding scene has been silent
[13:34] <Private_User> anybody has or know where I can find a workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228?
[13:34] <Private_User> I have it disassembled and want to put it back together but forgot how to
[13:35] <Kilos> http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_fujitsu.html
[13:35] <Kilos> there are youtube vids as well
[13:36] <Kilos> Maaz  google workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228
[13:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "smontare fujitsu amilo li 2735 ms2228 disassembly repair - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGmxHy1VdIs :: "demostracion funcionamiento fujitsu siemens amilo li 2735 - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CeCwGGtUx4 :: "How to Upgrade, Repair, Disassemble a Fujitsu / Fujitsu-Siemens" http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_fujitsu.html ::
[13:36] <Maaz> "composants pour Fujitsu Siemens FUJITSU SIEMENS AMILO LI 2727" http://www.brakstar.com/boutique-in…
[13:39] <Private_User> thanks Kilos
[13:41] <Kilos> yw
[13:46] <Private_User> wow that first video is exactly what I want to see but alas not in english
[13:46] <Private_User> hehe
[13:46] <Kilos> hehe
[13:46] <Kilos> look at the pictures
[13:47] <MaNI> haha, how many extra screws you left with? :p
[13:48] <Kilos> lol yeah lappies seems to have way too many everytime
[13:53] <Private_User> LOL I want to avoid having left over parts hence my reason for looking for a guide to put it back together
[13:54] <Kilos> just use your browser to google google workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228
[13:54] <Kilos> there might even be english vids
[13:54] <Kilos> maaqonly gives 4 links ot so
[13:54] <Kilos>   Maaz  
[13:55] <Kilos> maybe even add english in the search
[14:10] <Private_User> damn now my internet is buggering around
[14:11] <Private_User> anybody here experiencing connectivity issues with Cell C?
[14:25] <mazal> hmm , minetest server down , now I probably must work a bit :P
[14:26] <mazal> oom Kilos , you won't believe it , but I have another 300+ gig update to do lol
[14:27] <Kilos> eish
[14:27] <mazal> Also games
[14:27] <mazal> A backup of a backup
[14:27] <Kilos> eish
[14:28] <mazal> Oh well , van sit en staan kom niks gedaan. Let me configure it and start
[14:45] <Kilos> hmm... mani guesting again
[14:46] <Trixar_za> I added teleporters. I don't like them.
[14:46] <Trixar_za> Travel boxes are more fun
[14:47] <Trixar_za> Not so sure about Nether gates, but they're interesting. They drop you like -20000 below your starting point
[17:48] <inetpro> good mornings
[17:48] <inetpro> oops... I said that already?
[17:48] <inetpro> wb Cryterion
[17:49] <Cryterion> tks
[17:51] <Cryterion> Anyone here know much about distillation processes?
[17:55] <Kilos> hellooooo inetpro  
[17:56] <Cryterion> heya Kilos
[17:56] <Kilos> ya boil the stuff , catch the steam on cooled pipes ans draing off the drops
[17:56] <Kilos> what do you want to distill?
[17:56] <Cryterion> lol, I know that, looking for some more in-depth info
[17:57] <Kilos> you want someone to draw you a still
[17:57] <Kilos> must be lots onlin
[17:57] <Cryterion> Alcohol obviously, but for a oil extraction process, not to drink
[17:57] <Kilos> e
[17:58] <Cryterion> Got a still, built my own, I know that side, more looking for a formula to calc the % at the end
[17:58] <Kilos> oh my
[17:58] <Kilos> dont try work it out man just see how much you can drink before you fall over
[17:59] <Cryterion> I'm a bit maticulate when it comes to this sort of thing
[17:59] <Kilos> and compare that to bacardi
[17:59] <Cryterion> lol
[17:59] <Cryterion> Vodka is the most purest
[18:00] <Kilos> i never liked vodca
[18:00] <Kilos> bacardi was lekker with coke
[18:00] <Cryterion> But can't seem to understand how they only get 43% 86 proof after 3 distills
[18:00] <Cryterion> Don't need flavour in what I want it for
[18:00] <Kilos> doent it get higher the more you distil it
[18:01] <Cryterion> better proof, better extraction of oil
[18:01] <Kilos> oil from wher?
[18:01] <Cryterion> Yeah
[18:01] <Cryterion> Herbs
[18:02] <Kilos> dont they press herbs to high pressure to get the oil out?
[18:02] <Kilos> ill ask sis
[18:02] <Cryterion> Oil dissolves very well in alcohol, so if I can get the highest proof, (Made myself preferably) the better (Cheaper)
[18:03] <Cryterion> Plenty online, been reading
[18:04] <Kilos> now you want to disolve the oil or you want to use it
[18:04] <Kilos> what end product you want
[18:05] <Cryterion> Use it at the end, idea is, dissolve, filter, distill (Recover Alcohol for reuse) but retain oil after that
[18:06] <Cryterion> Problem isn't there, I'm not at that point yet, it's in the production of the alcohol stage I have the questions
[18:06] <Kilos> then you just boil your mix in a still untill all the alcohol has steamed away
[18:07] <Kilos> actually i think it must be just under boiling point but just steaming
[18:08] <Kilos> ai! i cant remember all that stuffs
[18:09] <Cryterion> Yeah, but say after fermentation I have a wash with approx 10-20% alcohol content, what percentage do I have after 1 distill?
[18:10] <Kilos> imo it becomes higher after each cycle of distilling
[18:11] <Kilos> but that also depends on the quality of you first mix
[18:11] <Kilos> what are you fermenting
[18:11] <Kilos> best is yellow peaches, makes lekker mampoer
[18:12] <Cryterion> Yeah, I know, Vodka is distilled 3 times, resulting in 43%, starting from, in industry probably closer to 20%, so my Question or formula needed is How do I calculate it to estimate the gain
[18:12] <Kilos> you go to sleep with the yellow peach taste in your mouth
[18:12] <Kilos> lets ask the africa bot
[18:13] <Cryterion> Maaz: Make Alcohol
[18:13] <Maaz> Cryterion: *blink*
[18:13] <Cryterion> hmm
[18:13] <Cryterion> Maaz: Vodka
[18:13] <Maaz> Cryterion: Huh?
[18:13] <Kilos> http://homedistiller.org/distill/dilute/measure
[18:13] <Kilos> https://store.homebrewheaven.com/alcoholometer-p111.aspx
[18:13] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[18:15] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:15] <Kilos> ty for the time check
[18:15] <superfly> yeesh, my IRC client hasn't even had a chance to fetch the scrollback and you're pouncing on me already
[18:15] <Kilos> sorry
[18:16] <Cryterion> That'll help in measuring Kilos, tks
[18:16] <Kilos> yw
[19:12] <Kilos> inetpro  http://www.roadtrucker.com/12-volt-cooking/12-volt-cooking.htm
[19:12] <Kilos> do you know slow cookers?
[19:13] <magespawn> good evening
[19:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[19:13] <Kilos> inetpro  bottom of this one is a frying pan
[19:13] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/RoadPro-12-Volt-Portable-Stove-Black/dp/B00030DLEE
[19:13] <Kilos> MaNI  you here?
[19:14] <MaNI> yeah
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: yo think one could use that on a daily basis?
[19:15] <inetpro> looks weird
[19:16] <Kilos> we often use slow cookers
[19:16] <Kilos> you can cook while at work
[19:17] <Kilos> similar to making a potjie
[19:17] <Kilos> gooi als in en eet heelwat later
[19:18] <MaNI> induction hobs probably come in dc
[19:20] <MaNI> or not :p  just use gas or something :P
[19:23] <Kilos> MaNI  solar panels supply how many volts?
[19:23] <Kilos> not 12 per panel?
[19:23] <MaNI> depends
[19:23] <Kilos> gas is expensive 
[19:24] <MaNI> generally either 24v or 12v, 12v more common here
[19:24] <MaNI> but thats just a nominal thing they actually work in a rather large curve
[19:24] <magespawn> my 9kg generally lasts about 3 months
[19:24] <Kilos> i didnt know they made 12v, mine many years ago was 12
[19:24] <MaNI> a '12v' panel puts out like 35v at 'max power'
[19:24] <Cryterion> Induction is a faster, yet more efficient way of heating
[19:25] <MaNI> sexier and geekier as well :P
[19:25] <Cryterion> Mani, 12V panel are about 35V open circuit
[19:25] <Kilos> me cant think what induction cooking would need
[19:25] <MaNI> also slightly safer
[19:25] <Cryterion> connect to a battery and see what happens
[19:25] <MaNI> mine are 45 Voc
[19:26] <MaNI> 64 Vmp
[19:26] <Kilos> whats Voc
[19:26] <MaNI> ergh
[19:26] <MaNI> *36 Vmp
[19:26] <Kilos> whats Vmp too
[19:26] <MaNI> voltage open circuit
[19:26] <Kilos> oh
[19:26] <MaNI> and voltage max power
[19:27] <Cryterion> Induction heating involves a magnetic transfer of current, the heat up something that is magnetic
[19:27] <Cryterion> the/to
[19:27] <MaNI> the second being what it will reach under 'ideal' circumstances - i.e. these are 310W panels, when they are outputting 310W they should be at 36V (roughly)
[19:27] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:28] <mazal> Sleep well
[19:28] <Kilos> night mazal  
[19:28] <Kilos> you too ty
[19:28] <Cryterion> 310W/36V gives your amps
[19:28] <MaNI> I figured with the way induction hobs work DC may be practical for them, unlike other methods, but googling now I'm not seeing any :p
[19:28] <Cryterion> so roughly 9A
[19:28] <MaNI> love my AC induction hob though
[19:29] <MaNI> yeah these ones are 9A basically
[19:29] <inetpro> so you can run induction cooking from solar power?
[19:29] <Cryterion> Mani, I've had no luck on induction stuff, and I want to try use it in a test to boil off water
[19:29] <MaNI> inetpro, well I don't see a DC one so only with an inverter :p
[19:30] <MaNI> they are generally at least less wattage than a standard hob though
[19:30] <MaNI> Cryterion, no luck in what way?
[19:30] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[19:30] <Cryterion> inetpro, if you use a true sine inverter then yes
[19:31] <Kilos> much easier to learn to eat food raw
[19:31] <MaNI> haha
[19:31] <Kilos> this is too much brain work
[19:31] <inetpro> ai!
[19:31] <Cryterion> Mani, finding enough info to get what I need, on an industrial level
[19:32] <MaNI> ah
[19:32] <Cryterion> Raw veggies, the BEST
[19:32] <Kilos> ok clever peeps is induction what a transformer does?
[19:32] <Kilos> raw meat very lekker too
[19:32] <MaNI> the downside to induction is you have to test all cookware you buy to see if a magnet will stick to it or not :p
[19:33] <MaNI> coils of a transformer do induction from what I understand yes
[19:33] <Cryterion> Yeah, but the transformer guys don't know, switching has to be done I believe, induction heating is heating a Metal Plate 
[19:34] <Cryterion> I can design the rest, I just need the emitter
[19:34] <Kilos> hmm... thats something worth investigating methinks
[19:34] <MaNI> yep, the resistance to the magnetic field creates heat basically
[19:34] <magespawn> same sort of induction
[19:35] <MaNI> so cookware must be ferrous :p
[19:35] <magespawn> yes MaNI exactlly
[19:35] <Cryterion> In induction the Stainless Pot has a Mild Steel Plate sealed in the base, allowing it to be heated
[19:35] <MaNI> no idea on designing one though but like how mine works :P
[19:35] <Cryterion> ^^^^^
[19:36] <Cryterion> Allu won
[19:36] <Cryterion> Allu won't work
[19:36] <MaNI> I've learnt a thing or two about stainless steel alloys from it as well
[19:36] <MaNI> some stainless steel pots work others don't
[19:36] <MaNI> depends on the alloy :p
[19:37] <Cryterion> Mild steel will heat from it, magnetic!!!, Stainless isn't, hence the plate being put there, other alloys might but they alloys not stainless
[19:38] <MaNI> yeah, in practice most stainless you run into is an alloy though
[19:39] <Cryterion> Stainless is an alloy in it own right
[19:39] <MaNI> heh
[19:39] <magespawn> i thought all stainless steel was an alloy
[19:39] <Cryterion> The higher level of chrome, less magnetic, higher grade stainless
[19:40] <MaNI> nickel is what makes the main difference apparently
[19:40] <MaNI> high quality stainless cookware usually has 10% nickel
[19:40] <MaNI> lower quality less
[19:40] <Cryterion> 316-Surgical 304-Food Grade (Non Magnetic) / 430,3CR12 (Magnetic)
[19:41] <Cryterion> Yeah, prob added
[19:41] <MaNI> gets a bit confusing :p
[19:42] <MaNI> for the emitter you need maybe you should speak to the induction geyser people 
[19:42] <Cryterion> Chrome plays a big part as cheaper than nickle
[19:42] <Cryterion> Like tin mixed with aluminium
[19:42] <MaNI> theres some south african company that does 1 plater induction cookers and induction geysers, just can't remember their name
[19:42] <Kilos> only prob with inductions is that you need ac
[19:43] <Kilos> or somehow switch dc from +- all the tim
[19:43] <Kilos> e
[19:43] <Kilos> oh or with an inverter as you said MaNI  '
[19:43] <Cryterion> AC No prob for me, just need to find a stable source for a device to produce the field
[19:44] <Kilos> we thinking of power crash and also breaking free from eskom
[19:44] <MaNI> hehe, there are two different conversations mixed now :p
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <Cryterion> Trying to reduce their load in Megawatts
[19:45] <Kilos> it would be greaty to be self sufficient as far as all eletricity needs
[19:46] <Kilos> maybe i must go sleep and let my community have some rest too
[19:46] <Kilos> hehe
[19:46] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:46] <Cryterion> Yeah I know, I work on that, but also trying to implement through the equip I build to reduce there usage
[19:46] <Kilos> my social community
[19:47] <Kilos> see inetpro  im reading
[19:48] <Cryterion> If I can get rid of a 3kw geyser element to a 1kw induction device, then it not only save 2kw energy, but lowers maint in some way as well I would believe
[19:49] <MaNI> sounds worth looking into
[20:08] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all