[05:35] morning all [05:42] hi barrydk [05:59] Morning all [05:59] hi mazal [06:12] maaz coffee on [06:12] * Maaz washes some mugs [06:12] maaz huge [06:12] mazal: Excuse me? [06:12] maaz larger [06:12] Sorry mazal No more than a beer mug full is allowed. Times are hard! [06:12] oi [06:12] Maaz coffee please [06:12] Kilos: Yessir [06:13] Maaz large [06:13] In a beer mug just for you Kilos [06:16] Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos! [06:16] maaz dankie [06:16] Groot plesier mazal my vriend [06:16] Maaz danke [06:16] Bitteschön [06:47] Maaz seen charl [06:47] Kilos: charl was last seen 2 months, 11 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-25 10:09:58 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-04-25 10:35:22 PDT [06:53] oh my [06:53] why no one greeted Quejan [07:28] Oom Kilos, Quejan is a friend of mine that I converted fron Win to Ubuntu a while back [07:29] He also work here at same place as me and barry [07:29] nice mazal why didnt you welcome him here [07:29] I wasn't here [07:29] Only saw now he was here [07:29] i have some real life things to do at times as well [07:30] oh well at least he knows how to get here [07:30] We are drwoning in work here this morning :( [07:30] ok [07:30] Yeah I told him earlier this morning how to get here [07:30] He didn't know about irc [07:31] i find that lots of old time irc users have all gone facebook and twitter [07:31] facebook s@$@$ [07:31] i drag them back [08:37] More almal [09:19] Morning [09:20] hi there Cryterion [09:20] Morning Cryterion [09:21] Hows everyone? [09:21] good ty and you? [09:23] All good [09:25] hi ThatGraemeGuy inetpro [09:57] 'lo [10:24] oom Kilos , maybe add where that meeting will be in which # [10:25] oh sorry didnt i? [10:25] het ek nie gese #ubuntu-africa nie? [10:25] het jy nou die plant blog gelees mazal [10:25] No it is mentioned earlier in the post , but not that the meeting will be there [10:25] planet [10:26] oh ok ill do that ty [10:26] It should be obvious , but some will not put 1 and 1 together [10:27] is that better? [10:30] Also , look at the title of the post: [10:30] http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-tcuQovmN.png [10:30] It says Miley , instead of Miles [10:34] lol [10:35] i think i tried to change that but had hassles with something or other [10:36] maybe had something to do with my old blog interfering [10:36] but if peeps call me miley it sounds like they like me [10:36] hehe [11:20] afternoon all [11:20] hi pieter2627 [11:37] good mornings [11:50] lol [11:50] afternoon inetpro [11:59] wb TinuvaMac [12:14] Hi Kilos, hows it going? [12:14] good ty Private_User and you? [12:14] ah not too bad [12:15] I have been wondering, how would the guys here convince somebody that ubuntu is the way to go or even linux for that matter? [12:15] easy just say when you are tired of fighting virus and malware attacks and pc crashes come see me [12:16] lol [12:16] I have a friend who has a desktop but insists on installing windows even though he not prepared to buy it so he looking for a key online [12:16] told him bring that desktop to me I will install ubuntu for him its free [12:16] I even suggested installing ZorinOS if he likes the Windows 7 look and feel [12:17] Hi Private_User [12:17] you can take a horse to water but you cant force him to drink [12:17] I always find 2 problems. 1. People to scared or lazy to learn something new. 2. Gaming [12:18] but not he finds any excuse to not to install ubuntu even though he aint gonna be using that desktop for anything that would require windows [12:18] LOL [12:18] yeah you right Kilos [12:18] hi mazal [12:18] I am currently working on my 2nd convertee [12:19] Told him to get a console for his games and ditch Win for Ubuntu [12:19] to kde? [12:19] So far I'm not successful [12:19] yeah mazal but if he only gonna use it for browsing the web and maybe downloading whatever but still [12:19] lol [12:19] Private_User then just push the virus malware threats [12:19] Then he falls in catogary 1 Private_User [12:20] yeah you right, some people I guess are just stuck in their ways and like their comfort zone [12:20] lol @ Kilos [12:20] for option one tell them help is always here [12:20] there is no comfort zone with win [12:20] yeah I will tell him that when he tired of virus malware and PC crashing for no reason he can come speak to me [12:20] hehehe [12:21] lol [12:21] and with a pirate copy he will crash first time he looks for drivers or an update [12:21] cause with win nowadays if you have an illegal copy or even the cracked version you probably not gonna be able to install their critical updates or their security updates [12:21] yep @Ki [12:21] sorry I meant yes to Kilos [12:22] Indeed , and worse than that , you are gonna start paying monthly subscription to use Win. That is not far away [12:22] and win crash you bad once they see a pirate copy [12:22] the only reason one would use windows these days is for work I would say and yes maybe some gaming [12:23] lol [12:23] I am stuck due to gaming [12:23] but as Kilos says you can take a horse to water but cannot make it drink [12:23] Worse decicion I ever made was to go from console to pc with that [12:23] yeah I only use Win for work related when I have work [12:24] although all my machines that have and supposed to be having ubuntu are in pieces [12:24] LOL [12:24] oi [12:24] sis man [12:24] shame on you [12:24] lol [12:28] * mazal checks the evening's agenda [12:28] lol [12:28] speaking of I just asked my friend if he sorted his desktop he still waiting for a key [12:28] I told him switch to ubuntu [12:30] maybe you should knock on peoples doors and ask them if they have heard the good news [12:30] ? [12:30] MaNI: good news? [12:32] nevermind, just a Jehovah witness joke [12:32] lol [12:33] what should I say that hey did you know Ubuntu loves you even though you have sinned [12:33] something like that :p [12:33] i.e. even though you use windows [12:33] lol [12:34] and then ask if you can come in to talk about it... [12:34] hehe [12:34] LOL [12:35] I sometimes like to say to those people did you know that all this was created to control the masses [12:35] hehe [12:35] but if you think about it thats exactly what MS did [12:35] hehe [12:37] Bye for now [12:38] load shedding scene has been silent [13:34] anybody has or know where I can find a workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228? [13:34] I have it disassembled and want to put it back together but forgot how to [13:35] http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_fujitsu.html [13:35] there are youtube vids as well [13:36] Maaz google workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228 [13:36] Kilos: "smontare fujitsu amilo li 2735 ms2228 disassembly repair - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGmxHy1VdIs :: "demostracion funcionamiento fujitsu siemens amilo li 2735 - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CeCwGGtUx4 :: "How to Upgrade, Repair, Disassemble a Fujitsu / Fujitsu-Siemens" http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_fujitsu.html :: [13:36] "composants pour Fujitsu Siemens FUJITSU SIEMENS AMILO LI 2727" http://www.brakstar.com/boutique-in… [13:39] thanks Kilos [13:41] yw [13:46] wow that first video is exactly what I want to see but alas not in english [13:46] hehe [13:46] hehe [13:46] look at the pictures [13:47] haha, how many extra screws you left with? :p [13:48] lol yeah lappies seems to have way too many everytime [13:53] LOL I want to avoid having left over parts hence my reason for looking for a guide to put it back together [13:54] just use your browser to google google workshop/service manual for a Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Li 2735 model MS2228 [13:54] there might even be english vids [13:54] maaqonly gives 4 links ot so [13:54] Maaz [13:55] maybe even add english in the search [14:10] damn now my internet is buggering around [14:11] anybody here experiencing connectivity issues with Cell C? [14:25] hmm , minetest server down , now I probably must work a bit :P [14:26] oom Kilos , you won't believe it , but I have another 300+ gig update to do lol [14:27] eish [14:27] Also games [14:27] A backup of a backup [14:27] eish [14:28] Oh well , van sit en staan kom niks gedaan. Let me configure it and start === MaNI is now known as Guest9724 [14:45] hmm... mani guesting again [14:46] I added teleporters. I don't like them. [14:46] Travel boxes are more fun [14:47] Not so sure about Nether gates, but they're interesting. They drop you like -20000 below your starting point === Cryterion_ is now known as Cryterion === Guest9724 is now known as MaNI [17:48] good mornings [17:48] oops... I said that already? [17:48] wb Cryterion [17:49] tks [17:51] Anyone here know much about distillation processes? [17:55] hellooooo inetpro [17:56] heya Kilos [17:56] ya boil the stuff , catch the steam on cooled pipes ans draing off the drops [17:56] what do you want to distill? [17:56] lol, I know that, looking for some more in-depth info [17:57] you want someone to draw you a still [17:57] must be lots onlin [17:57] Alcohol obviously, but for a oil extraction process, not to drink [17:57] e [17:58] Got a still, built my own, I know that side, more looking for a formula to calc the % at the end [17:58] oh my [17:58] dont try work it out man just see how much you can drink before you fall over [17:59] I'm a bit maticulate when it comes to this sort of thing [17:59] and compare that to bacardi [17:59] lol [17:59] Vodka is the most purest [18:00] i never liked vodca [18:00] bacardi was lekker with coke [18:00] But can't seem to understand how they only get 43% 86 proof after 3 distills [18:00] Don't need flavour in what I want it for [18:00] doent it get higher the more you distil it [18:01] better proof, better extraction of oil [18:01] oil from wher? [18:01] Yeah [18:01] Herbs [18:02] dont they press herbs to high pressure to get the oil out? [18:02] ill ask sis [18:02] Oil dissolves very well in alcohol, so if I can get the highest proof, (Made myself preferably) the better (Cheaper) [18:03] Plenty online, been reading [18:04] now you want to disolve the oil or you want to use it [18:04] what end product you want [18:05] Use it at the end, idea is, dissolve, filter, distill (Recover Alcohol for reuse) but retain oil after that [18:06] Problem isn't there, I'm not at that point yet, it's in the production of the alcohol stage I have the questions [18:06] then you just boil your mix in a still untill all the alcohol has steamed away [18:07] actually i think it must be just under boiling point but just steaming [18:08] ai! i cant remember all that stuffs [18:09] Yeah, but say after fermentation I have a wash with approx 10-20% alcohol content, what percentage do I have after 1 distill? [18:10] imo it becomes higher after each cycle of distilling [18:11] but that also depends on the quality of you first mix [18:11] what are you fermenting [18:11] best is yellow peaches, makes lekker mampoer [18:12] Yeah, I know, Vodka is distilled 3 times, resulting in 43%, starting from, in industry probably closer to 20%, so my Question or formula needed is How do I calculate it to estimate the gain [18:12] you go to sleep with the yellow peach taste in your mouth [18:12] lets ask the africa bot [18:13] Maaz: Make Alcohol [18:13] Cryterion: *blink* [18:13] hmm [18:13] Maaz: Vodka [18:13] Cryterion: Huh? [18:13] http://homedistiller.org/distill/dilute/measure [18:13] https://store.homebrewheaven.com/alcoholometer-p111.aspx [18:13] hehe [18:14] ohi superfly [18:15] hi Kilos [18:15] ty for the time check [18:15] yeesh, my IRC client hasn't even had a chance to fetch the scrollback and you're pouncing on me already [18:15] sorry [18:16] That'll help in measuring Kilos, tks [18:16] yw [19:12] inetpro http://www.roadtrucker.com/12-volt-cooking/12-volt-cooking.htm [19:12] do you know slow cookers? [19:13] good evening [19:13] hi magespawn [19:13] inetpro bottom of this one is a frying pan [19:13] http://www.amazon.com/RoadPro-12-Volt-Portable-Stove-Black/dp/B00030DLEE [19:13] MaNI you here? [19:14] yeah [19:15] Kilos: yo think one could use that on a daily basis? [19:15] looks weird [19:16] we often use slow cookers [19:16] you can cook while at work [19:17] similar to making a potjie [19:17] gooi als in en eet heelwat later [19:18] induction hobs probably come in dc [19:20] or not :p just use gas or something :P [19:23] MaNI solar panels supply how many volts? [19:23] not 12 per panel? [19:23] depends [19:23] gas is expensive [19:24] generally either 24v or 12v, 12v more common here [19:24] but thats just a nominal thing they actually work in a rather large curve [19:24] my 9kg generally lasts about 3 months [19:24] i didnt know they made 12v, mine many years ago was 12 [19:24] a '12v' panel puts out like 35v at 'max power' [19:24] Induction is a faster, yet more efficient way of heating [19:25] sexier and geekier as well :P [19:25] Mani, 12V panel are about 35V open circuit [19:25] me cant think what induction cooking would need [19:25] also slightly safer [19:25] connect to a battery and see what happens [19:25] mine are 45 Voc [19:26] 64 Vmp [19:26] whats Voc [19:26] ergh [19:26] *36 Vmp [19:26] whats Vmp too [19:26] voltage open circuit [19:26] oh [19:26] and voltage max power [19:27] Induction heating involves a magnetic transfer of current, the heat up something that is magnetic [19:27] the/to [19:27] the second being what it will reach under 'ideal' circumstances - i.e. these are 310W panels, when they are outputting 310W they should be at 36V (roughly) [19:27] Night everyone [19:28] Sleep well [19:28] night mazal [19:28] you too ty [19:28] 310W/36V gives your amps [19:28] I figured with the way induction hobs work DC may be practical for them, unlike other methods, but googling now I'm not seeing any :p [19:28] so roughly 9A [19:28] love my AC induction hob though [19:29] yeah these ones are 9A basically [19:29] so you can run induction cooking from solar power? [19:29] Mani, I've had no luck on induction stuff, and I want to try use it in a test to boil off water [19:29] inetpro, well I don't see a DC one so only with an inverter :p [19:30] they are generally at least less wattage than a standard hob though [19:30] Cryterion, no luck in what way? [19:30] sounds interesting [19:30] inetpro, if you use a true sine inverter then yes [19:31] much easier to learn to eat food raw [19:31] haha [19:31] this is too much brain work [19:31] ai! [19:31] Mani, finding enough info to get what I need, on an industrial level [19:32] ah [19:32] Raw veggies, the BEST [19:32] ok clever peeps is induction what a transformer does? [19:32] raw meat very lekker too [19:32] the downside to induction is you have to test all cookware you buy to see if a magnet will stick to it or not :p [19:33] coils of a transformer do induction from what I understand yes [19:33] Yeah, but the transformer guys don't know, switching has to be done I believe, induction heating is heating a Metal Plate [19:34] I can design the rest, I just need the emitter [19:34] hmm... thats something worth investigating methinks [19:34] yep, the resistance to the magnetic field creates heat basically [19:34] same sort of induction [19:35] so cookware must be ferrous :p [19:35] yes MaNI exactlly [19:35] In induction the Stainless Pot has a Mild Steel Plate sealed in the base, allowing it to be heated [19:35] no idea on designing one though but like how mine works :P [19:35] ^^^^^ [19:36] Allu won [19:36] Allu won't work [19:36] I've learnt a thing or two about stainless steel alloys from it as well [19:36] some stainless steel pots work others don't [19:36] depends on the alloy :p [19:37] Mild steel will heat from it, magnetic!!!, Stainless isn't, hence the plate being put there, other alloys might but they alloys not stainless [19:38] yeah, in practice most stainless you run into is an alloy though [19:39] Stainless is an alloy in it own right [19:39] heh [19:39] i thought all stainless steel was an alloy [19:39] The higher level of chrome, less magnetic, higher grade stainless [19:40] nickel is what makes the main difference apparently [19:40] high quality stainless cookware usually has 10% nickel [19:40] lower quality less [19:40] 316-Surgical 304-Food Grade (Non Magnetic) / 430,3CR12 (Magnetic) [19:41] Yeah, prob added [19:41] gets a bit confusing :p [19:42] for the emitter you need maybe you should speak to the induction geyser people [19:42] Chrome plays a big part as cheaper than nickle [19:42] Like tin mixed with aluminium [19:42] theres some south african company that does 1 plater induction cookers and induction geysers, just can't remember their name [19:42] only prob with inductions is that you need ac [19:43] or somehow switch dc from +- all the tim [19:43] e [19:43] oh or with an inverter as you said MaNI ' [19:43] AC No prob for me, just need to find a stable source for a device to produce the field [19:44] we thinking of power crash and also breaking free from eskom [19:44] hehe, there are two different conversations mixed now :p [19:44] lol [19:45] Trying to reduce their load in Megawatts [19:45] it would be greaty to be self sufficient as far as all eletricity needs [19:46] maybe i must go sleep and let my community have some rest too [19:46] hehe [19:46] night all, sleep tight [19:46] Yeah I know, I work on that, but also trying to implement through the equip I build to reduce there usage [19:46] my social community [19:47] see inetpro im reading [19:48] If I can get rid of a 3kw geyser element to a 1kw induction device, then it not only save 2kw energy, but lowers maint in some way as well I would believe [19:49] sounds worth looking into [20:08] bed time for me, good night all