[00:00] knome: may i ask u a question in pm? [00:00] please keep support questions on the channel so everybody can follow [00:01] ok [00:03] Well everytime I install any version of linux, I can not do a netstat -ac nor get a proper download.....is there any kinda way to make myself the administrator before going online? === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [00:05] its as if someone does not want me to update and monitor my network traffic [00:06] i don't understand why being an administrator would help you in this case [00:06] cany anyone help me? [00:06] maybe your wifi adapter isn't fully supported by the (open source) drivers, which might make the download speeds slower [00:08] Nope...I never mentioned anything about speed...just when Im prompted to put in pass word for each action...it wan let me [00:09] in ubuntu, if it asks the sudo password, it is the password of your regular user [00:10] I know [00:11] so.. what is it you are exactly trying to do? [00:11] but what I do not know is why I can not enter pass word...this is a fresh install of xubuntu [00:11] Scroll up to first paragraph [00:11] it won't show any visual indication that you have typed anything... [00:12] no visual at all [00:12] have you tried just typing the password and pressing enter? [00:12] no, it will stay "blank" [00:12] no [00:13] is there a command to make my self full administrator? [00:15] sudo does exactly that; why do you need to do it for several commands? [00:16] because it seems like someone has full control as soon as I log on...none of the commands work properl [00:17] Hello, my xubuntu vm in virtualbox will no longer connect to the internet [00:17] in dmesg it shows that the process is being terminated while trying to start with a status 1 [00:17] I'm not sure where to start and was looking for some help [00:18] xubuntuuser, like what commands? [00:18] picklevape, which xubuntu version are you using? [00:19] knome, 14.04 trusty [00:20] like sudo apt-check [00:20] picklevape, i don't know too much about your specific issue, but i would check the latest xubuntu version if possible [00:20] xubuntuuser, and what does that command return to you? [00:21] nothing... [00:21] picklevape, there has been this and that with virtualbox in the past so... it might be something that doesn't work (any more) with the kernel [00:21] xubuntuuser, what are you expecting it to return then? [00:21] let me try again [00:22] I dont use anything but gnucash in it, I'm kinda at a loss as to why it no longer works :( [00:23] picklevape, have you changed your host OS or the vbox version lately? [00:24] no, thats the thing. this is the second time its done it to me. each time it happens I dl a new version of xubuntu and reinstall and everything is fine.... then a week or two down the road it happens again. no change to the host machine and no virtual box updates [00:24] i mean i could disable updates in xubuntu i spose, but i kinda want to know why its happening [00:25] is sudo apt-check even a command [00:26] picklevape, i don't think so, but if he insists that it should return something... then i don't know, it might be anything. [00:26] * knome shrugs [00:26] * knome picks the path of least resistance when helping [00:26] what you describe is definitely weird [00:26] ok sorry about that knome...im on the pc now, was on phablet as xubuntuuser [00:27] picklevape, does your virtual machine settings look like they did before (specifically the networking stuff)? [00:27] strange thing is that the other vms I run, win2008 freebsd ubuserver... none have this issue and i leave them running all the time. just the xubuntu ones [00:28] yes, i have them setup as bridged so they can easily talk to the other devices on the network [00:28] picklevape, one option is to try 15.04 the next time and see if it occurs again... [00:28] knome where can I send a screen shot to you? [00:28] !imagebin | datacrata [00:28] datacrata: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here. [00:29] im installing another 14.02 just to see if it does it again and using smb share to store my files. going to install xubu 15 too and see if it ends up at the same fate [00:30] picklevape, good luck! [00:30] ok, I guess I will have to type that link and try to post there...that link want work from this chat aerea [00:31] datacrata, whatever works for you [00:32] do I need to sign up to post here? [00:33] no [00:33] ok [00:38] it keeps saying error uploading [00:38] you can use a pastebin to paste the output as well [00:38] !pastebin | datacrata [00:38] datacrata: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:39] ok [00:42] knome: sorry about that...this paste was from when I was trying to run the net stat -ac [00:42] i don't see the paste unless you paste me the url you get after pasting [00:43] ok sorry [00:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11828736/ [00:44] ok, so what are you exactly trying to see in that output? [00:44] -ac would'nt work [00:44] define "wouldn't work"? [00:45] when I was prompted my password it went blank [00:45] in what way wouldn't it not work? [00:46] just would not do anything just was as if It was stuck no blinking cursor just froze [00:47] maybe there wasn't anything to show? [00:49] fwiw, there is no way to be any more "administrator" than using sudo... [00:50] wherever you might think that might make a difference [00:50] ok now I just did another run at the sudo apt-get update and its doing it now....it still prompted me for a password with that very still none blinking cursor...I could'nt see my pass word when i typed them but it went through...was very strange [00:51] thats normal [00:52] this was my first time experiencing blanks while typing p word [00:52] since, theres no need to show the password as you type it, and its just a security risk, as in, someone can watch the screen as you type, its hidden [00:52] you won't see your password on the command line on (x)ubuntu [00:52] kooollll.... [00:52] (there's even no need to show the password length, which is why even stars or any other placeholders aren't shown) [00:52] thats a lot of weigh off of me mind now [00:57] I figured it out knome, i dont know what did it but something removed the inet from my interfaces file [00:57] picklevape, great! [00:57] no idea what it woulda been, the file said it hadnt been edited since 6-27 [00:58] i didnt even notice it was down because i really only use gnucash on it ;e [00:58] well, good to hear it's working now [00:59] thanks and have a good night === Guest23854 is now known as IdleOne [08:33] Hello everyone, good morning [08:33] i have a qiery [08:33] quiery [08:34] i am an Xubuntu user and i am coming accross some trouble updating and downloading software from ubuntu software center [08:35] i get a "not enough free disk space" [08:35] followed by [08:36] did you happen to create a separate /home partition..and how large is your partition that you have xubuntu installed to xubuntu58w ? [08:37] " the upgrade needs a total of 122m free space on disk'/boot'. please free at least an additional 122 m of disk space on '/boot'. empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean' [08:38] yes it is partitionned but i cant remember how big [08:38] ok do you have xubuntu installed to your harddrive then? [08:38] i have an old computer and it does not have much disc space anyways [08:38] yeah [08:38] ok cool, thanks. [08:39] did you install it to your hd by itself xubuntu58w ? [08:39] when i go to terminal and do 'apt-get clean on disk boot i get this message [08:39] what do you mean by it self pencilandpaper [08:39] or are you dual booting with another OS xubuntu58w ? which means that i am asking if xubuntu is the only OS installed to that computer? [08:40] yeah i only have xubuntu [08:40] it used to be windows me [08:40] i changed it when i got the computer second hand last year [08:40] ok thanks. how long have you had xubuntu installed to that computer if you dont mind me asking? [08:41] september [08:41] ok, so do you have any music or movies downloaded and stored on that install? [08:41] i took it all of yesterday to reinstall [08:42] ok, did you create a separate /home partition for that install? [08:42] but i cant get xubuntu on to cd, my cd drive is dead and i dont have the software to create a usb disk and not enough space to dowload it [08:43] then how did you install it to hdd..so that it runs as if it were live? [08:43] my cd drive used to work... [08:43] but i dropped the computer [08:43] ok i see what you mean now, my fault i didnt understand at first. [08:43] right right.. [08:43] ok well did you happen to create a separate /home partition? [08:43] mark btw [08:44] when installing xubuntu? [08:44] i dont remember.... [08:44] i know i have free disc space [08:44] did you just let it install default using the installer? [08:44] yeah [08:44] pretty sure [08:44] but i think it did partition [08:44] maybe i didnt do it big enough [08:45] is there a way of checking on terminal this info? [08:45] ok, well then yeah, you should have some freespace there..thats odd..but i know how to clear up some space for you man..atleast a little..we will see if it clears up enough to get your updates installed. :) [08:45] cool [08:46] xubuntu do you happen to have inxi installed? [08:46] do you know if it possible to create a disk image on a hdd drive without loosing the rest of the info on the hdd? [08:47] no inxi [08:47] yes you can create a disk image..but lets get you cleared up some first. open your terminal and tell me when you have done that please. [08:48] i already have one open [08:48] its an external hdd.. to reinstall xubuntu [08:49] terminal opened [08:55] pencilandpaper are you still there? [09:00] yes i am still here, sorry.. [09:00] ok now in terminal enter: sudo thunar [09:00] then tell me when your file manager is opened as root please xubuntu58w . [09:01] ok [09:02] thanks. [09:02] opennesd [09:03] root opened pencilandpaper [09:03] ok thanks.. [09:03] now you want to go to /var/apt/cache and when you get there do you see all of those .deb files? [09:05] i dont have /apt in /var [09:05] penciandpaper [09:06] do you have cache? [09:06] yeah [09:07] in cache there apt [09:07] ok nice, now go to /var/cache/apt/archives see all of those .deb files in there? [09:07] sorry i was thinking weird for a sec there. [09:10] in /var/cache/apt/archives i have "lock" text and /partial [09:10] you cant go inside of archives? [09:11] i am in archives and there is only '/partial' and 'lock' text file [09:11] and /partial is empty [09:12] ok cool thanks. thats what we wanted..alright well then i guess that you have cleared what you can already..bummer. [09:12] i dont know what to say to be honest. how large is your partition if you dont mind me asking? [09:12] dunno how do i find this out? [09:13] do you happen to have gparted installed? [09:13] cant remember man it was in september i did it almost automatically [09:14] ok, in your menu search gparted and see if its installed please. [09:15] nope [09:15] dont have it [09:15] cant i take of software i have already installed to make space, [09:15] ? [09:15] if you do that, you are without that software though. [09:16] run this in terminal man, sudo apt-get install inxi [09:16] its small. [09:16] let me know once its installed please. [09:18] You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: inxi : Depends: gawk but it is not going to be installed Recommends: hddtemp but it is not going to be installed Recommends: lm-sensors but it is not going to be installed Recommends: mesa-utils but it is not going to be installed linux-image-extra-3.13.0-53-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.13.0-5 [09:19] run sudo apt-get install -f [09:19] installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [09:19] see what happens, maybe it will fit. [09:20] it is installing stuff [09:21] cool, let me know if it makes it the whole way through man. :) [09:21] 73% [09:21] nice. [09:21] and gong [09:21] nicer. [09:21] done [09:22] unpacking [09:22] nice. [09:22] let me know when the terminal returns back to prompt please. [09:22] will do [09:22] thanks. [09:22] do i close root [09:22] ? [09:22] i have a idea if it comes down to it. [09:23] sure, just enter exit in terminal and it will exit root. [09:23] or if you want to close the file manager go for it. [09:23] Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-55-generic_3.13.0-55.94_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-53-generic_3.13.0-53.89_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [09:23] ok, in terminal enter: sudo dpkg --configure -a [09:24] i have a load of .deb in my archives now [09:24] i know right..those are what just installed. [09:24] enter that command in terminal: sudo dpkg --configure -a [09:24] then once that is done run: sudo apt-get install -f [09:24] tell me if it finishes please. [09:25] dpkg: error processing package linux-generic (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Setting up linux-headers-3.13.0-55-generic (3.13.0-55.94) ... Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.13.0-55-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-55-generic [09:26] ok, lets go ahead and delete what is in archives xubuntu58w , then go for it again man. [09:26] so once those files are deleted, run: sudo apt-get install -f [09:27] you have updated your system before right? [09:27] yeah [09:28] apt-get install -f [09:28] ok cool. [09:28] yep. [09:29] i deleated files to put them back i dont fully understand... [09:29] and i get another error [09:29] i was hoping that it wouldnt do what it did basically. :( [09:30] Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-55-generic_3.13.0-55.94_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-53-generic_3.13.0-53.89_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [09:30] do you have a usb stick? [09:30] what for? [09:31] doe it need to be empty? [09:31] try this: sudo dpkg --reconfigure [09:31] yes it would have to be empty..but dont empty it just yet. i want to explain "the plan" and see if you are down first. [09:32] sudo: unable to resolve host clownistan dpkg: error: unknown option --reconfigure Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; Use 'apt' or 'aptitude' for user-friendly package management; Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; Options marked [*] produce a lot of output [09:32] ok thanks..well then run: sudo dpkg --configure -a [09:33] dpkg: error processing package linux-generic (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-extra-3.13.0-53-generic linux-image-extra-3.13.0-55-generic linux-image-extra-3.13.0-46-generic linux-image-generic linux-generic [09:33] what did you want me to do with the usb stick? [09:33] what was the "plan" man? [09:35] ok, this is what i am thinking. i can extract the xubuntu iso and upload the files from it online. then you can download the extracted iso files and copy them to the stick since you dont have tools to make a bootable stick. [09:35] in theory it should boot for you and you can reinstall. [09:35] hi to all, i have a problem, when i do a screenshot via "printscr" key, the screen refreshes and i get a corrupted screeenshot (xfce). howto debug or fix? [09:36] since the site that i use only allows for a certain "amount" of files to be uploaded..i would have to upload just a few at a time..and hope that each file is small enough to make it. [09:36] i recommend Kazaam screenshot software :) [09:36] MolOtoV [09:37] i can make a bootable usb stick... [09:37] i think [09:37] i want to use standard screenshot function, no extra software [09:37] well if you can do that man, i would download xubuntu again and do a fresh install. [09:38] make sure that it uses your whole hdd when asked and you should be ok. [09:38] i have xubuntu-15.04-descktop-i386.iso [09:38] ok what software do i need to make a usb stick disk? [09:38] and do i have it... [09:38] then we are good to go..empty the stick out and we can use the dd command. [09:39] so yes, you have the software. [09:39] what is the dd command? [09:39] i am going to get the usb stick from my van hold on... [09:40] ok, take your time. [09:41] hi to all, i have a problem, when i do a screenshot via "printscr" key, the screen refreshes and i get a corrupted screeenshot (xfce). howto debug or fix? [09:42] Hi [09:43] How do I get cpu,ram,temperature etc monitor desktop widgets in xfce4? [09:43] Voyage, in terminal run: sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies [09:44] then go to your panel and right click on it, then go to panel, add, then a window will pop up so that you can add things to the panel. choose the ones that you want to add..and you are good to go. [09:44] what you are asking for is in that menu Voyage . [09:45] xfce4 is already the newest version.. "click on panel"? which panel? [09:45] sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies [09:45] not xfce4. [09:46] hi to all, i have a problem, when i do a screenshot via "printscr" key, the screen refreshes and i get a corrupted screeenshot (xfce). howto debug or fix? here a screenshot: http://s16.postimg.org/fn9ppxtth/Screenshot_06072015_11_42_41.png [09:46] ok [09:46] installing it. [09:46] but which panel to click on ? pencilandpaper [09:46] nice, and then your panel is your bottom panel Voyage , or if you have more than one..its whatever panel you want to add something to. [09:48] MoL0ToV, are you using xchat and do you happen to have inxi installed? [09:48] pencilandpaper i am emptying the key... it is going to take a good 5 minutes [09:48] no problem xubuntu58w , take your time man. [09:48] dont worry im in no hurry [09:49] ditto. [09:49] where are you at pencilandpaper [09:49] usa xubuntu58w , how about yourself? [09:49] france [09:50] i guessed you whee in the states but where abouts [09:50] eastcoast man. [09:50] so it is now 5:48am here right now. [09:51] hi! i am on a virtualbox xubuntu guest. how do i tell if 3d acceleration is enabled? [09:51] and working [09:52] you should be able to go in to settings up at the top of vbox and see that dirgeable . [09:52] its almost noon here [09:52] ok cool xubuntu58w . [09:52] ok usb stick empty [09:52] on coffee and weed [09:53] !! ;) [09:53] pencilandpaper, i know i enabled it, and its checked, but dont know if working [09:53] ok nice, now this is the dd command man, and you have to be very careful with it..because if you use it and have the iso go to the wrong place you are done. [09:53] o ok, well i dont know what to say about that one dirgeable . [09:53] ok go on [09:53] something like https://blogs.oracle.com/fatbloke/entry/3d_acceleration_with_ubuntu_guests maybe [09:53] can i reuse the usb stick after? [09:54] alright, this is the dd command in terminal: dd if=/path/to/your/isofile of=/your/usb/stick [09:54] so you dont mess up..where is your iso at? [09:54] pencilandpaper, assuming installing the nvidia drivers would be wrong ? [09:54] yes you can use the stick again. [09:55] dirgeable, go for it man. see what happens. [09:55] it is in /home/clownisaire [09:55] anything that you would do outside of vbox to get better performance i would do inside of it as well. [09:56] i do dd if=/home/clownisaire.iso ? [09:56] no, what is the name of the iso? [09:56] exactly the name of it. [09:56] ok so I'm trying myself at launcher scripts [09:57] how can I write into a script that I want to open a new shell and in that shell execute a command? [09:57] thats all you max12345 , i dont code. [09:57] ok... [09:58] I'll google around some more [09:58] dd if=/home/clownisaire xubuntu-.15.04-desktop-i386.iso ? [09:58] someone else may know in here though man. [09:58] if so I'm sure they'll speak up :) [09:58] that dot in front of 15.04 shouldnt be there right xubuntu58w ? [09:59] i wont ask again, what do you see there bro. send me something stupid and i am done. [09:59] no its - [09:59] ok cool.. [09:59] th usb stick is just of=/USB DISK right? [10:00] that is what it is called on my desktop === qwebirc320031 is now known as slickymasterWork [10:00] who wait, do you have anything other than that stick plugged in right now? [10:01] external hdd or anything else at all? [10:01] nope [10:01] nice.. [10:01] ok so the command is this.. [10:01] so i go through with the command on terminal? [10:02] dd if=~/xubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb1 [10:02] yes man, and you should be good to go. let it finish and dont touch anything until it shows it as done..it may take a while to finish though ok? [10:03] the ~ in the command is good yes? [10:03] yes it shows that the iso file is in /home. so it should be ok. [10:04] is everything ok so far? [10:06] clownisaire@clownistan:~$ dd if=~/xubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb1 dd: failed to open ‘/dev/sdb1’: Permission denied [10:07] hmmmm. [10:08] open the stick real quick by clicking on the icon for it and when it opens in front of you that means that its mounted xubuntu58w ..then try the command again ok? [10:09] wait xubuntu58w ..dont do that. [10:09] tell me when you have NOT done that please. [10:09] nope [10:09] nope you didnt? [10:09] nope i didnt [10:09] nice.. [10:10] ok, did you even click on the icon yet? [10:10] not yet [10:10] opened and empty [10:11] hi to all, i have a problem, when i do a screenshot via "printscr" key, the screen refreshes and i get a corrupted screeenshot (xfce). howto debug or fix? here a screenshot: http://s16.postimg.org/fn9ppxtth/Screenshot_06072015_11_42_41.png lspci |grep VGA 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780C [Radeon 3100] [10:16] you are back pencilandpaper [10:16] how do i not have permission i am administrator of my cpu [10:24] pencilanpaper? [10:26] if I lock my screen when I have VNC connection to my computer, can I unlock it somehow remotely? [10:39] pencilandpaper, thanks it works on panel in a tiny way but can I do that on the desktop with graphs etc? [10:53] xubuntu58w, you'll likely need to use sudo with that command (note: i haven't checked for the command's validity itself) [10:57] Knome je le fais sur cd du coup [10:57] merci [10:57] xubuntu58w, english please... [10:57] sorry [10:57] im doing it on cd to finish on another cpu [10:58] !fr | xubuntu58w if french is preferred ... [10:58] xubuntu58w if french is preferred ...: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [10:58] no i am bilingual [10:58] mon dieu! :) [10:58] im watching a french doc that is why the mistake [11:01] my bad [11:45] hi to all, i have a problem, when i do a screenshot via "printscr" key, the screen refreshes and i get a corrupted screeenshot (xfce). howto debug or fix? here a screenshot: http://s16.postimg.org/fn9ppxtth/Screenshot_06072015_11_42_41.png lspci |grep VGA 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780C [Radeon 3100] [14:30] hello [14:31] i am reinstalling xubuntu on my pc and it is asking me for an xubuntu login and password, is it asking me for my old xubuntu codes as i am reinstalling? [14:48] TaZ no [14:49] what is then? [14:49] Luyin [14:49] TaZ you're supposed to enter a login name and a pw. full stop [14:50] any? [14:51] yes [14:51] any you wish [14:51] cheers mate :) === sandeep is now known as Guest37183 [15:16] i am not able to record voice in xubuntu [15:17] please help me [15:17] Guest37183 what have you tried, what did you expect, what happened instead? [15:18] i downloaded audacity but it is not recording , in sound setting also it not showing the the audacity app [15:19] audacity starts normally? [15:21] it started normally ok, but when i spoke it should recognise no then only it can record voice,problem is that it is not recognizing the voice [15:22] perhaps the audio channel isn't active. have you looked at the mixer settings? [15:22] no, what should i do? [15:23] open the mixer settings [15:23] where i will b there [15:24] sorry where it wil b there [15:26] I don't understand your question, Guest37183 [15:26] where will be the mixer settings [15:27] Guest37183: please check on pavucontrol that the audio stream is being picked up [15:27] you might want to try the several options you have in the last tab of settings [15:27] also check that audacity is listeing to the proper device [15:28] but most of the time its a setting on pavucontrol that needs to be checked [15:28] i checked the pavucontrol , but in recording section it not showing the recording app audacity [15:29] check the last tab, and see if the input stream is enabled [15:30] it showing microphone unplugged [15:31] mmm [15:31] id try switching between options to see if that enables it [15:32] sorry, i dont have a way to test now [15:32] i need to any driver for microphone [15:32] i dont think so [17:34] so i've told the updater to not check for updates [17:34] but why does it always report ?? [20:08] hello Im new [20:08] hello [20:08] I have a question about ltsp live [20:08] does it only work with edubuntu? [20:08] I tried with xubuntu [20:09] it will likely work with xubuntu as well if you install the right packages and configure it correctly [20:09] I have a Xubuntu Computer Lab un my school [20:09] I installed it [20:10] I tried to do it [20:10] Not having problem with edubuntu but i dont like edubuntu desktop [20:10] I have read a lot to correct the problem but no luck [20:12] any suggestions? === bynarie is now known as bbi12 === bynarie_ is now known as bynarie [21:41] Hello [21:42] hello [21:42] How's it going? [21:42] fine... do you have a support question? [21:43] Yes. Would it be possible to install Xubuntu on a 8Gb thumbdrive, using the full install? [21:43] yes [21:44] And how do you dual-boot another linux OS next to Xubuntu? [21:44] select to install xubuntu alongside that OS [21:44] Oh [21:44] Thanks [21:45] you're welcome [21:45] I am somewhat new to Linux [21:45] we all have to start somewhere [21:45] Agreed [21:46] I have another question: Can you get Java and the Java JDKs in Linux? [21:49] yes [21:49] Ok [21:50] Yeah, I'm looking into Linux because I have mostly older computers and it takes up WAY less space than Windows [21:51] How much better is LXDE than XFE in resource consumtion? [21:52] there are various comparisons online, i'd refer to those [21:53] Ok [21:53] but of course, less resource usage means less features/user-friendliness [21:53] Ok [21:53] whichever is better for you is for you to decide and see [21:53] I don't need an operating system that looks pretty, just one that gets the job done [21:55] Is there a way to cut back on resource consumption for Xubuntu [21:55] ? [21:55] sure. [21:55] How? [21:56] that's a broad question. [21:56] Do you prefer Gnome? (Due to your name) [21:56] nope. [21:56] Oh [21:57] Xubuntu does seem to have a Gnome-esk theme [21:59] Here's another question: Does Linux software tend to be more compact and take up less space than Windows programs? [21:59] depends on the software [21:59] Oh [22:00] linux alternatives do not always have feature parity [22:00] Oh [22:00] so it's not even a sane to compare their size [22:00] (besides, resource usage when ran is much more important anyway) [22:01] When you refer to Parity, what do you mean? I know of parody with RAM and cache [22:01] i mean that linux alternatives do not always have the same (amount of) features [22:02] Oh [22:04] Is it possible to install Xubuntu on a FAT32 partition? [22:04] no [22:05] why would you need to do that? [22:05] Can Windows read the Ext4 file system? [22:06] with tools/apps, yes [22:07] Well the reason why I would use Fat32 is because it is native to Windows, and I might need to copy files from within Windows [22:07] then create a fat32 partition in addition to the system partition [22:08] I could do that [22:10] With Linux Mint I was able to read the NTFS file system, that should be the same for Xubuntu, since Mint is based off Ubuntu, right? [22:10] yes [22:10] Cool [22:11] Well, as soon as Xubuntu is finished updating in the virtual machine I have running, I will switch over to it [22:12] And a 120Gb hard drive should go pretty far with Xubuntu, right? [22:12] it of course depends what you are doing with your system, but xubuntu itself has no problems fitting [22:15] I won't be running any new Windows programs in it since the machine I would use it in is a Pentium 4 HT [22:15] Ok, I am going to leave and rejoin in Xubunut [22:16] xubuntu [22:17] goodbye [22:21] Hello [22:22] welcome back [22:22] Hello from inside of Xubuntu! [22:23] Does the 64bit version of Xubuntu take up any extra space than the 32 bit version? [22:23] there might be some slight differences, but if you have a 64-bit processor, you should use the 64-bit version [22:23] NO [22:24] hello nomic. [22:24] Well, as I told you before the machine that I would be using my 12ogb hard drive would be a x86 Pentium 4 HT [22:24] hi knome [22:24] well if it's a 32-bit processor, don't use the 64-bit version [22:24] This computer right now is a Core i3, which is x64 [22:25] I was going to set up my thumbdrive for this computer [22:26] if you want to use the same device on both 32-bit and 64-bit machines, then you need to install the 32-bit version [22:26] Any tips for a fresh install of Xubuntu? [22:26] play with it and explore, customize it to your liking and needs [22:27] And with the use on both 64 and 32 bit machines, I knew that. [22:29] And I use Avast for Windows, but I have tried Comodo on Mint. Which antivirus program would you guys recommend? [22:31] !antivirus [22:31] Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to Windows computers (perhaps using Samba). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus [22:33] Ubottu, FALSE! Never fall for that. Winux viruses are becoming prevalent, and there are Linux viruses out there [22:33] HardwareExtreme: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:33] Oh [22:33] knome, are you still there [22:33] yes [22:34] HardwareExtreme, http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/C/guide-keeping-safe.html [22:34] Ok [22:34] Still, what antivirus program? [22:36] well, if you took a moment to look at the link ubottu pasted you, you'd know about several alternatives [22:41] Xubuntu is a little laggy right now [22:41] Even with the virtual machine setup for 2 Gb of ram [22:44] I am getting terrible lag. Is there a fix? [22:44] describe "terrible lag" [22:45] Uh, I try to switch between applications and it takes a while to show the window [22:46] And the system just gave an error message [22:49] I went and got Comodo and installed it [22:52] Xubuntu gave up when I tried to run two programs at once, Mozilla and Comodo [22:53] Goodbye [22:53] maybe comodo is causing the lag with some realtime checks (can also be related to running it under a virtual machine) [23:07] Hello [23:08] Is anyone there [23:08] Hello? [23:09] maybe. [23:09] you don't need to confirm that somebody is listening; people will answer questions if they are around and know the answer [23:09] I went and installed Comodo, but it gives a filesystem error [23:10] It says that a filesystem filter driver is not loaded [23:10] look for support on the comodo support forums [23:12] I am going to get Avast instead [23:13] most people don't use antivirus on linux at all, is there a particular reason you feel you need it? [23:13] to prove knome wrong in at least one question? [23:13] * knome hides [23:13] Yeah, it still provides some protection since I am a Windows user two [23:13] too [23:14] not two [23:14] the security model on linux differs significantly from that of windows, so as long as you keep your system updated there isn't a risk at all, and there have been only a tiny handful of exploits for linux, all of which came from users downloading exploited packages off of website [23:14] Ok. [23:14] antivirus programs for linux just slow your system down (and often cost money) [23:15] And knome, I am not trying to prove you wrong [23:15] i was just kidding [23:15] I know this is a stupid question, but how do you uninstall software in Xubuntu? [23:15] through the software center if you installed it that way, if you didn't then you have to look up the software documentation [23:16] if you installed it from somewhere else than the software repositories, read the documentation from that source [23:16] or what pleia2 said, which ever wording you prefer ;) [23:16] I can't figure out how to uninstal Comodo [23:16] you'll have to read the Comodo documentation, I'd never even heard of it until today [23:17] Wow [23:17] I strongly suggest sticking to software in the software center (that's what I do) [23:17] Ok [23:20] I went and looked it up, but in the Software center it doesn't show up, even though I installed it from a .deb package [23:21] as we both said, you need to look for documentation from comodo [23:22] Found out how to do it. [23:23] pleia2, is there antivirus programs in the Software, center? [23:27] clamav [23:28] Thanks [23:28] I have tried Clamav for windows once [23:29] Goodbye, and thanks for the help.