[08:15] <vip> hi ho
[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:56] <soee> i see kernel 4 landed in Wily :)
[09:57] <soee> one error with latest updates while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kwin-x11_4%3a5.3.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.de
[09:58] <lordievader> Nice, 4.1?
[09:59] <soee> nope
[09:59] <soee> brb reboot
[09:59] <lordievader> 4.0?
[10:01] <lordievader> soee: Is it 4.0?
[10:01] <soee> lordievader: yes
[10:01] <lordievader> ... 4.1.1 is already marked stable.
[10:01] <soee> lordievader: isint it RC ?
[10:01] <lordievader> No, that is 4.2.
[10:01] <soee> abyway, one more interesting thing:
[10:02] <soee> before i had some messages when booting like FIFO something etc. etc.
[10:02] <soee> not system boots without aby message :)
[10:02] <soee> just plymouth -> sddm
[10:02] <soee> *now
[10:03] <soee> lordievader: but i asked about this (waht version will be shipped with Wily) yesterday on #ubuntu-devel
[10:03] <soee> [wtorek, 7 lipca 2015] [00:39:26 CEST] <infinity> soee: I think 4.2 was the plan, actually.
[10:04] <soee> so maybe step by step they will release 4.2
[10:04] <lordievader> Ah, will that be LTS? Or will Ubuntu again ship an EOL kernel?
[10:04] <soee> no idea :)
[10:05] <lordievader> Both Trusty and Vivid have EOL kernels...
[10:06] <soee> what we have now in Wily: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/07/07/snapshot8.png
[10:16] <soee> oh another good news https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts/9hmSJPsNWiP :)
[10:16] <lordievader> Faster startup is allways good :D
[12:20] <soee> someone with intel + nvidia machine ?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:33] <soee> Riddell: what QT version will Wilu use - 5.5 maybe ?
[12:33] <soee> *Wily
[12:36] <lordievader> soee: Riddell is on vacation ;)
[12:36] <soee> aaaaahh :D
[12:36] <BluesKaj> he needs one
[12:36] <lordievader> I bet.
[12:38] <soee> sitter: there is one trick for fans but im not sure what it does exactly:
[12:38] <soee> run: sudo powertop and in Tunables try setting various items from Bad to Good
[12:39] <sitter> soee: it would reduce power consumption thus reduce heat thus reduce fan activity xD
[12:40] <soee> :)
[12:48] <shadeslayer> sgclark: sitter someone needs to fix kdenlive 
[12:48] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive/4:15.04.2-0ubuntu1
[12:57] <soee> +1
[13:00]  * clivejo giggles at the page title of http://kci.pangea.pub/
[13:22] <shadeslayer> clivejo: fix your wily!
[13:23] <clivejo> I didnt know it was broken!
[13:24] <clivejo> maybe its just an Irish thing, but a willy is a totally different thing!
[13:32] <clivejo> how do I save the default Master Channel in wily?
[13:33] <clivejo> it keeps defaulting to the capture volume, so my hardware voloume keys dont work
[13:48] <shadeslayer> clivejo: kmix -> set master channel
[14:24] <clivejo> shadeslayer: yes, but it wont remember that selection, next time I reboot it goes back to capture device 
[14:25] <shadeslayer> dunno, works for me here
[14:26] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: maybe delete things in ~/.kde ?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[14:30] <clivejo> do you know where it saves its settings?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ~/.kde/config/kmixrc ?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> or just search for kmixrc
[14:35] <clivejo> weird DefaultCardOnStart=PulseAudio.Capture_Devices.1.default
[14:38] <clivejo> hopefully it will not change on next reboot
[14:50] <shadeslayer> anyone know of a dummy package in ubuntu
[14:50] <shadeslayer> that's harmless
[14:51] <shadeslayer> I reckon hello would work
[15:01] <shadeslayer> kwin takes way too long to build
[15:01] <shadeslayer> srsly
[15:01]  * mgraesslin agrees
[15:02] <mgraesslin> I'm trying to compile on the old exopc currently
[15:02] <mgraesslin> and it's annoyingly slow
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:02] <shadeslayer> http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/kwin_binary_unstable/arch=armhf/86/console
[15:02] <shadeslayer> waiterooing
[15:02] <mgraesslin> I now aborted and started again with icecc
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:03] <shadeslayer> atleast you have icecc
[15:03] <mgraesslin> yeah
[15:04] <shadeslayer> all of this shit needs to be faster
[15:04] <shadeslayer> all of it I say
[15:05] <mgraesslin> at least we no longer compile KWin twice ;-)
[15:05] <shadeslayer> this is true :P
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Jenkins's scheduling algorithm also does not take into account that you'll have 2 jobs with large CPU usage
[15:06] <shadeslayer> so I have khtml and kwin on the same slave
[15:06] <shadeslayer> which is fun
[15:06] <mgraesslin> eheh
[15:06] <mgraesslin> oh which one is larger?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> larger?
[15:06] <mgraesslin> in sloc
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ah, no clue
[15:06] <mgraesslin> kwin is 113597
[15:07] <shadeslayer> surely you have the khtml source checked out :P
[15:07] <mgraesslin> khtml is 232047
[15:08] <mgraesslin> now I am disappointed
[15:08] <mgraesslin> kwin is still not larger than an outdated web rendering engine
[15:09] <sitter> shadeslayer: there's a scheduler plugin that changes the behavior to use the node with least load
[15:09] <sitter> which generally should be more suitable
[15:10] <sitter> default scheduler attempts to use same node as last time which is nice when you recycle from a build cache but pretty shitty when you want load spread
[15:11] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Least+Load+Plugin ?
[15:11] <sitter> yep
[15:11] <sitter> no wait
[15:11] <sitter> yes
[15:11] <sitter> that one ^^
[15:11] <mgraesslin> but kwin now is on an all-time high with sloc
[15:11] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:12] <mgraesslin> although we dropped oxygen
[15:12] <mgraesslin> and kwayland
[15:12] <mgraesslin> and this year (since Jan) we increased by ~10 ksloc according to openhub
[15:12] <shadeslayer> sitter: I have to enable it on every job?
[15:12] <sitter> shadeslayer: I think so
[15:12] <shadeslayer> good god @_@
[15:12] <sitter> just change your template?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:12] <shadeslayer> I guess
[15:13] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:13] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[15:13] <shadeslayer> The plugin requires no global configuration it will just replace the default load balancer at startup. Jobs can be configured to utilize the default Jenkins load balancer if required.
[15:13] <shadeslayer> so nothing required
[15:13] <sitter> there you go then
[15:13] <sitter> reading saved the day :P
[15:13] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:57] <shadeslayer> sitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11836427/
[15:57] <shadeslayer> sitter: thoughts?
[15:58] <sitter> different symbosl
[15:58] <shadeslayer> huh?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> would result in different symbols?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> I don't track symbols on DCI
[16:00] <shadeslayer> bug 1472320 is wat
[16:00] <shadeslayer> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
[16:03] <sgclark> shadeslayer: not sure how I uploaded to wily with not working on wily. I also don't know how to fix arm without arm.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> sgclark: I hear CI helps :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> assuming kdenlive is CI'd on armhf
[16:04] <sgclark> not for KDE
[16:04] <shadeslayer> I meant the Kubuntu CI :)
[16:04] <sgclark> ahh 
[16:05] <sgclark> I am still curious how I did a wily upload in my sleep
[16:05] <shadeslayer> it's not
[16:05] <shadeslayer> sgclark: lol
[16:05] <shadeslayer> sgclark: it's probably part of applications
[16:05] <sgclark> ok
[16:05] <sgclark> let me look into it
[16:28] <shadeslayer> sitter: so, what about that diff now
[16:30] <shadeslayer> sgclark: fwiw I think you need to make kdenlive build dep on libgles2-mesa-dev on armhf
[16:30] <sgclark> shadeslayer: oh ty, hope that works, dunno anything bout arm
[16:31] <shadeslayer> sgclark: and DCI has CI for kdenlive via kubuntu_unstable
[16:31] <shadeslayer> http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/kdenlive_binary_unstable/
[16:31] <sgclark> ok thanks
[16:31] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:32] <shadeslayer> oh 
[16:32] <shadeslayer> it's working I think
[16:32] <shadeslayer> upto 93%
[16:33] <shadeslayer> somehow pulls in libgles2-mesa-de
[16:33] <shadeslayer> *libgles2-mesa-dev
[16:33] <sgclark> wonderful
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apt should get a award for being magic
[16:33] <shadeslayer> sgclark: might be useful to explicitly specify this still though
[16:33] <sgclark> lol
[16:33] <sgclark> ok
[16:34] <shadeslayer> assuming it builds
[16:34] <shadeslayer> do you know how to do it?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> god this seat is shite, no shoulder support at all
[16:34] <sgclark> sort of not really
[16:34] <shadeslayer> sgclark: you can say libgl1-mesa-dev [!armhf] , libgles1-mesa-dev [armhf] in Build-Depends
[16:35] <shadeslayer> or just replace gl1 by gles
[16:35] <shadeslayer> not sure if that'll work on x86
[16:35] <sgclark> ok ty
[16:35] <shadeslayer> ah no
[16:35] <shadeslayer> failed
[16:35] <shadeslayer> perhaps it won't work afterall
[16:35] <shadeslayer> not sure
[16:36] <sgclark> I really know nothing about arm, no clue how I can fix this
[16:36] <shadeslayer> 16:37:51 ../../src/monitor/videoglwidget.cpp:74:18: error: ‘GL_FLAT’ was not declared in this scope
[16:36] <shadeslayer> that's the error
[16:37] <shadeslayer> GL_FLAT comes from opengl, I do wonder if it's defined in GLES
[16:47] <shadeslayer> sitter: is bluedevil athing?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> cuz my jobs be failing, and I don't see nothing in KCI
[16:56] <sgclark> shadeslayer: looking through the git history there once was a patch to make opengl optional on arm because cmake never finds it, but it vanished . Is this something of interest? Otherwise I really have no idea how to fix this.
[16:58] <shadeslayer> sgclark: possibly it vanished because it was made a hard dep?
[16:59] <sgclark> git history does not show the actual vanishing act that I can find, it patched the cmake file required to optional.
[17:00] <sgclark> though your error would show that cmake did find it?
[17:00] <sgclark> show again I am clueless
[17:01] <sgclark> er so
[17:10] <shadeslayer> sgclark: it does find it
[17:10] <shadeslayer> however, the fact that it finds it and the fact it works are mutually exclusive ;)
[17:10] <sgclark> lol
[17:11] <shadeslayer> anyway, don't worry about kdenlive :P
[17:11] <sgclark> whew ok
[17:11] <shadeslayer> opengl + arm isn't something easy to figure out
[17:13] <shadeslayer> mmm
[17:13] <shadeslayer> someone broke ECM
[17:15] <shadeslayer> wat
[17:29] <ovidiu-florin> if I install a package from CLI, how do I suppress it from asking for input? so I can script the install?
[17:30] <sgclark> -y
[17:31] <yofel> you can pre-answer debconf questions, give me a sec
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> -y only accepts
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> for example: mysql-server asks for a root password. How do I skip it? or provide one to it?
[17:33] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: e.g. you can do something like:
[17:33] <yofel> echo "mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server/root_password password <db_admin_pwd>" | debconf-set-selections
[17:33] <yofel> to prevent mysql-server for asking for the admin password
[17:34] <yofel> heh
[17:34] <sgclark> lol nice
[17:34] <yofel> actually, needs another line for the PW confirmation:
[17:34] <yofel> echo "mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server/root_password_again password <db_admin_pwd>" | debconf-set-selections
[17:35] <yofel> debconf-get-selections on an installed system will show you all options that you can set
[17:36] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: and I suppose I do that before installing mysql-server, right?
[17:36] <yofel> right
[17:37] <soee> sgclark: ping me if be able to fix kdenlive, i will test it and install :)
[17:38] <sgclark> soee: sorry that is beyond my abilities
[17:38] <soee> oh, who should i talk about it ? :)
[17:39] <BluesKaj> having more crashes in system settimngs than usual after the latest upgrades on 15.10 alpha1. Usually one crash per session , but now it's eveytime i launch it
[17:40] <soee> BluesKaj: ow, it works pretty good to me now, i had also a lot of crashes but last days it seems to be much better
[17:40] <soee> are you on lastest upgrades ?
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> soee: what problems are you having with it?
[17:40] <soee> ovidiu-florin: with ?
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> kdenlive
[17:41] <soee> ovidiu-florin: in Wily there are some conflicts i think and it wants to remove translations files etc.
[17:41] <soee> shadeslayer: am i right ^
[17:41] <shadeslayer> install kdenlive from proposed
[17:42] <shadeslayer> and then install the locales
[17:42] <shadeslayer> should work then
[17:42] <shadeslayer> I'm going to look at kdenlive in a few days
[17:42] <soee> ok, thank you
[17:43] <BluesKaj> just crashes when I make changes to themes mostly ...looking for a dewsktop/icon/apllication theme that I can live with, but most the choices aren't to my taste
[17:43] <BluesKaj> mostly
[17:47] <soee> :)
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> why aren't all the widgets from kde-apps.org shown in the install new widgets dialog?
[17:57] <soee> someone on Wily ?
[17:59] <clivejo> soee: Im on wily
[17:59] <soee> can you confrm that setting "Suspend compositor for fullscreen windows" in Compositor does not saves the set value ? its always false ?
[17:59] <clivejo> I would confirm if I knew what on earth you just said!
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> :)))
[18:06] <clivejo> where is that setting?
[18:06] <clivejo> soee: where is that setting?
[18:07] <soee> System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Compositor
[18:07] <clivejo> shoot, I was looking in kwin
[18:07] <soee> seems like kwin is some kind of broken i think
[18:08] <clivejo> its unchecked
[18:09] <soee> try to check it save, exit system settings or Display & Monior sectin
[18:09] <clivejo> oh dear
[18:09] <clivejo> crashed
[18:09] <soee> and go back here to see it if is checked
[18:10] <clivejo> its still checked, but crashed
[18:11] <clivejo> Ill try a reboot
[18:11] <clivejo> and konsole is crashing again on exit :(
[18:11] <soee> hmm
[18:14] <clivejo> soee: still checked after reboot
[18:15] <soee> oO
[18:15] <soee> clivejo: do you have latest updates in Wily ?
[18:15] <clivejo> as of about 6 hours ago
[18:16] <clivejo> yippeee kmix is using the right settings!
[18:17] <clivejo> soee: also using staging-plasma ppa
[18:17] <clivejo> and panfaust/kubuntu-kf5-experiments/ubuntu
[18:17] <clivejo> for that ark and systemd fixes
[18:18] <soee> i do not have any extra ppas
[18:19] <clivejo> is OpenGL 3 not stable?
[18:22] <soee> not sure, im using it
[18:22] <soee> clivejo: if you have that optin we were talking about set
[18:22] <clivejo> oh, that seems to have fixed my fuzzy fonts issue
[18:22] <soee> can you paste .config/kwinrc [Compositing] section ?
[18:23] <clivejo> I changed scale method to crisp and using opengl3.1
[18:23] <clivejo> gimme a sec
[18:24] <clivejo> soee: https://paste.kde.org/pxrmraap0
[18:25] <soee> erkhm, System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display.
[18:29] <soee> after i manually chcnged that setting in kwinrc it seems it sees it as it shoudl
[18:30] <clivejo> Im using plasma 5.3.2 from the staging ppa
[18:31] <clivejo> maybe its fixed there?
[18:31] <clivejo> powerdevil seems to be fixed too
[18:34] <soee> clivejo: staging-pp has teh same Plasma as in archive
[18:34] <soee> so no difference
[18:35] <soee> oh lord seems liek chromium-browser witg gpu acceleration enabled is so buggy :/
[18:35] <clivejo> soee: are we using wayland yet?
[18:36] <soee> nope
[18:37] <clivejo> are you involved in it at all?
[18:38] <soee> clivejo: hehe no :)
[18:38] <clivejo> Id like to learn and maybe do some testing
[18:39] <soee> clivejo: the only person i know more or less you should ask about weyland etc. is Martin
[18:40] <soee> clivejo: worth following https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts
[18:40] <clivejo> thanks :)
[18:43] <clivejo> oh hes blue systems?
[18:47] <ahoneybun> sitter was posting on G+ about Wayland this morning clivejo and soee
[18:47] <soee> yup iv seen it
[18:50] <clivejo> ahoneybun: are widgets individually packaged?
[18:50] <ahoneybun> clivejo: plasma widgets?
[18:51] <clivejo> yeah
[18:51] <ahoneybun> I belive so
[18:51] <clivejo> I see them on kde apps
[18:51] <clivejo> was wondering about getting them packaged
[18:51] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=vivid&section=all&arch=any&keywords=plasma-widget&searchon=names
[18:53]  * ahoneybun needs plasma-scriptengine-python built
[18:55] <clivejo> is it binary?
[18:55] <ahoneybun> no clue
[18:56] <ahoneybun> the project might be dead anyway
[18:56] <ahoneybun> last upload was in lucid
[18:56] <ahoneybun> 10.04
[18:57] <clivejo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/plasma-scriptengine-python
[18:57] <clivejo> in utopic
[18:57] <ahoneybun> yea that
[18:57] <ahoneybun> but the python end is needed for http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/plasma-widget-googlecalendar
[18:57] <ahoneybun> and the widget is from lucid
[18:57] <ahoneybun> good old Plasma 4
[18:58] <ahoneybun> so confusing
[18:58] <clivejo> yeah
[18:58] <clivejo> I thought plasma was only 5
[18:58] <ahoneybun> well I mean KDE 4
[18:59] <clivejo> I know, but the package name is plasma
[18:59] <ahoneybun> yea
[18:59] <clivejo> kinda assumed it means 5
[18:59] <yofel> right, it is confusing. Back in kde4 we had plasma 2, it was just called kde workspace 4 back then
[19:00] <ahoneybun> the widget is not in debian
[19:00] <ahoneybun> so might be from kde-apps.org
[19:00] <clivejo> https://packages.debian.org/unstable/plasma-scriptengine-python
[19:00] <clivejo> thats the package in deb
[19:00] <ahoneybun> 4.11
[19:00] <ahoneybun> I think that is old
[19:00] <yofel> the scriptengine was part of kde-workspace back then
[19:01] <yofel> no idea where it lives these days..
[19:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^ ?
[19:01] <clivejo> it seems to be a collection of py scripts
[19:02] <yofel> right, it was the plasma scripting interface for python
[19:03] <ahoneybun> seems like it would be a mess at best to get it bac
[19:03] <ahoneybun> *back
[19:04] <clivejo> came across this "Python scripting is not supported in Plasma 5, so the package is useless in Plasma 5 world."
[19:04] <ahoneybun> I see
[19:04] <yofel> well, there you go, bummer
[19:05] <ahoneybun> yea and there plasma goes crashing
[19:05] <yofel> you're not used to that yet? -.-
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[19:05] <ahoneybun> I am but it is getting less and less
[19:07] <ahoneybun> Seems if the widget is not included with Plasma 5 by default are broken (what I think)
[19:07] <clivejo> ahoneybun: which widget you looking for?
[19:08] <ahoneybun> I was just going though the list
[19:08] <ahoneybun> having google calendar on the desktop would be nice though
[19:08] <yofel> well, anything that's not explicitely written for plasma 5 won't work
[19:08] <clivejo> might be update for plasma5
[19:08] <ahoneybun> yofel: that reinforces my point
[19:08] <clivejo> just needs packaged
[19:08] <yofel> right
[19:14] <clivejo> ahoneybun: I guess this isnt what you want - http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Google+Task+-+web+?content=169824
[19:15] <ahoneybun> not Task
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't think we have scriptengines anymore
[19:21] <shadeslayer> just js AFAIK
[19:21] <yofel> ack
[19:22] <shadeslayer> omg omg my CI is back into shape I think
[20:15] <yofel> E: 10mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on wily-armhf,
[20:15] <yofel> sbuild, are you kidding me?!?
[20:17] <clivejo> oh that sounds painful
[20:23] <valorie> clivejo: I'm sure I've seen some spam with that same title
[20:24] <yofel> oh, right, overlayfs changed semantics in kernel 3.18 -.-