[01:01] rsalveti: I am back [01:05] rsalveti: jdstrand elopio I think that systemd change was orchestrated by Chipaca and mvo; I didn't have a part on it, sorry. [01:07] now I think snappy-systemd as a hook was dropped for both 15.04 and rolling and it's all implemented in snappy now. [01:07] it is just apparmor that remains === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:36] rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/qualifiedUpdate/+merge/263987 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:31] ping pitti: do you have any clue about why this is happening? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1468868 [06:31] Ubuntu bug 1468868 in Snappy "Selftests print a lot of messages about time stamps in the future" [Undecided,New] [06:36] elopio: I replied in the bug [06:39] thanks pitti. I'll ask what timezone we use on the image built. [06:39] and we'll probably send a patch to you with the warning=none [06:40] elopio: that should be simple to fix in autopkgtest, I'd just like to be able to reproduce it first; I think I see them occasionally, but I've never used --warning and thus I'm not 100% sure it will suppress that [06:41] pitti: we see it on every ./run-checks on snappy. So it will be easy to confirm. [06:41] lib/VirtSubproc.py:320: 'tar --create --absolute-names -f $d/autopkgtest-tmpdir.tar' [06:41] lib/VirtSubproc.py:337: ' tar --extract --absolute-names -f $d/autopkgtest-tmpdir.tar;' [06:41] elopio: ^ those two are what you want to change [06:42] /usr/share/autopkgtest/python/VirtSubproc.py [06:43] pitti: ack. I'll try tomorrow. [06:43] thank you! [06:43] sorry, you want that too: [06:43] lib/VirtSubproc.py:511: taropts[idst] = '--preserve-permissions --extract --no-same-owner' [06:43] I'll put those in the bug [07:01] good morning [07:01] hey dholbach [07:04] elopio: hey, are you still up by chance? [07:04] mvo: o/ [07:04] elopio: nice! what do I need to run to run the new _intergration-tests ? [07:05] elopio: the command in the readme gives me a error "failure File not found: snappy" [07:05] mvo: install the latest autopkgtest [07:05] mmm, I haven't seen that one. [07:06] elopio: so the command from the readme should work? [07:06] elopio: just running that in the top-level dir? or inside _integration-tests? [07:06] fwiw, I have autopkgtest 3.15.1 [07:06] mvo: no, I have a branch that updates the REAMDE, in progress. [07:06] mvo: that's alright. With that, just ./run-checks [07:07] elopio: thanks! [07:07] mvo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elopio/snappy/bbb_integration/view/head:/_integration-tests/README.md [07:08] elopio: neat! [07:09] elopio: thanks, I have what I need now :) [07:12] * ogra_ grumbles about live-build [07:12] mvo: no problem. [07:12] ogra_: heh, I thought you like it? [07:12] fgimenez: please follow up the publishing of the RC on cdimage.ubuntu.com. [07:12] hey mvo [07:12] I'm going to be. be back soon. [07:12] mvo, well, until i was asked to somehow get libc6:i386 into the amd64 images :P [07:12] s/be/bed [07:12] hey seb128 [07:13] ogra_: heh [07:13] mvo, the personal image boots to a working unity8 desktop session now ;-) [07:13] seb128: \o/ [07:13] yay! [07:16] good morning [07:17] elopio, ack thanks (get some rest :) [08:17] ogra_: let me know if there is anything I can do to help with the libc stuff [08:21] mvo, thanks a lot for the AddCleanup functionality :) [08:21] hey fgimenez - you are very welcome [08:21] (was fun :) [08:24] mvo, waiting for elopio's opinion i've added a couple of comments via email to the mp and they don't show up (hopefully they will :) shall i forward them to you? [08:26] blame Chipaca! [08:26] * Chipaca parties [08:31] fgimenez: please forward it to me [08:32] chey Chipaca [08:32] Chipaca: its a bit early to party, no ;) ? [08:32] mvo: seems like we got the blame for breaking something again [08:32] mvo: nevah! [08:32] Chipaca: or did you had a extra strong cup of coffee ? [08:32] i think i'm going to have a *second* cup of extra strong coffee [08:32] Chipaca: meh, stuff broke? what/where [08:32] with some ginger snaps [08:32] lol [08:32] mmmm, yep [08:33] mvo, done thx :) [08:34] ta [08:37] fgimenez: excellent suggestion! [08:41] mvo, thx it's built upon your proposal :) [08:41] mvo, we just should take care to call the SnappySuite.TearDownTest from the tests in other suites that define a TearDownTest, right? [08:42] fgimenez: indeed,thanks! I did not check that [08:43] Good morning all; happy Chocolate Day! 😃 [08:46] Hey guy! How are you? [08:46] guys! [08:46] I need an advice [08:46] Have anyone running lxc on snappy? [08:47] where should I dig to get it working? [08:47] Please advice === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [08:57] mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11834942/ ... i guess a hook is the only possibility (i tried differnt config opts, but cant convince live-build to use multiarch) [09:01] mvo, one thing that isnt clear to me is if i need to explicitly remove the package lists that this apt-get update call creates ... (i guess that bloats the image) or if we already have some mechanism that wipes them [09:03] oh, crap ... we actually do have code for this ... but thats run in the first hook [09:07] ok, this should be good then http://paste.ubuntu.com/11834973/ [09:11] ogra_: looks good [09:11] ok, let me try a build with that in place then [09:30] * ogra_ kicks off a 15.04 build and crosses fingers [09:37] I have snappy running in kvm, how can I change the 'channel' it's on [09:38] hmm, that didnt work ... i wonder why [09:43] nice, with yesterday snappy updates the personal grub menu works now [09:43] only one "system-a" entry and it boots [09:43] OH ! [09:43] it did work ... [09:43] but why is it executed so much earlier in the log ... [09:44] what is earlier in the log? [09:44] seb128, my hack ... [09:45] seb128: do you also get a system-b when you update :) ? [09:45] oh, k [09:45] i added a hook for installing libc6:i386 [09:45] mvo, need an update to try that ;-) [09:45] you have the power to create one ;) [09:45] mvo, I'm going to kick a new image later on [09:45] right [09:45] with a 12-* prefix ... so i would expect it to be executed after 11-* ... but seems it is executed way way earlier [09:45] I just want to do some small changes first [09:46] well, at least it worked, libc6:i386 is installed now [09:54] hmm, i canceled the arm64 image build ... why do i get a failure mail for that [09:55] balloons, https://ubuntuonair.com/ is updated [10:00] Hi All! [11:05] sergiusens: quick question, I'm preparing to send the patch(es) for shadow upstream with the --extra-users. I was curious about the use_extrausers, and I wonder if 1010_extrausers and 1011_extrausers-toggle should be merged? it seems to me that your approach is more localized and that maybe we don't need (most) of 1010 anymore with that? expect that I'm not sure if anything relies on the auto-detection and needs updating for the new --extrausers [11:14] mvo: morning! Maybe merging is the right thing to do, but passwd relies on auto detection [11:16] * ogra_ still finds xnox' comment interesting ... to bad he didnt answer my question on the bug [11:18] ogra_: whataya talking about? [11:18] * sergiusens reads the backlog [11:18] sergiusens, about the extrausers bug [11:19] Bug 1323732 [11:19] bug 1323732 in adduser (Ubuntu) "adduser should support managing additional password/shadow/group files from libnss-extrausers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323732 [11:43] sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/qualifiedUpdate/+merge/263987 got one question from mvo [11:47] * Chipaca waiting so long for a snappy build, he's starting to consider making build parallel [11:47] hum [11:49] Chipaca: wuuut? how long does it take? [11:49] sergiusens: aha, I see, thanks, that makes perfect sense now [11:49] mvo: 7 minutes of cpu time and counting [11:50] Chipaca: get a newer laptop :-P [11:50] Chipaca: woah, this includes the integration tests or really just the building? and if just the building what are you building this on? [11:50] mvo: I don't mind changing it if you want, but the struct isn't that big to require a pointer [11:50] Chipaca: or is it all dependencies? [11:51] mvo: building a *snap*, not snappy [11:51] sergiusens: ^ [11:51] 200M of libraries [11:51] sergiusens: sure, its fine, I was just curious if there was a reason (i.e. I wanted to learn new tricks ;) [11:51] Chipaca: ohhhh, sorry [11:51] mvo: if so, we should also consider 'for i := range snaps' instead of for _, snap := range snaps' across the board (which we have debated a bit with Chipaca in some cases) [11:52] sergiusens: if we make it use the struct instead of the pointer you mean? [11:52] sergiusens: mvo: where is this? [11:53] ah, yes, if it's going to be a struct and not a pointer, no copying in loop :) [11:54] Chipaca: if the struct isn't hug, it's fine [11:54] * Chipaca likes structs that are hugs [11:55] err hugged I meant! [11:55] :-P [11:55] mvo: that MP brings in the issue that QualifiedName for a directory name was probably a bad idea as qualified names should always include the origin [11:56] 15 minutes ... [11:58] sergiusens: so whats the advantage of using the struct directly instead of the pointer? again, I'm just in learn-new-tricks land right now :) [11:58] sergiusens: QualifiedName> hrm, the sometimes-there-is-a-origin-sometimes-not is annoying :/ [11:59] Chipaca: what is it doing? is it gzip that chewing all the cpu? [11:59] rsalveti: anything urgent for the release I should look at ? otherwise I will just continue with my cards [11:59] mvo: i presume so [11:59] mvo: although gzip wouldn't take this long [11:59] so i dunno [12:02] mvo: nops, just missing this last mr from sergiusens [12:02] mvo: there is always going to be one now on new systems [12:03] sergiusens: yep [12:03] mvo: well, if you use the latest u-d-f from wily at least [12:03] mvo: but most of that code in there is to contemplate upgrades [12:03] * mvo nods [12:05] rsalveti: that just needs approval or an explicit please fix this from my PoV ;-) [12:06] sergiusens: done, I didn't intend to block the MP, was just curious about the rational [12:08] mvo: no worries. [12:20] requested a new build for ubuntu-snappy and will trigger another image once it gets published [12:20] ogra_: all good from the livecd-rootfs side, right? [12:20] yep [12:20] i just did build one btw [12:21] (to check the libc6:i386 addition) [12:22] ogra_: great [12:22] so we should be good [12:22] yeah [12:23] oh ... jolla gets split up [12:24] (into HW ans SW companies it seems) [12:24] *and [12:24] ok, can confirm it's the actual tar creation that is this slow [12:24] wth [12:24] Chipaca, tar itself or the compression ? [12:24] poteito, potahto [12:24] haha [12:25] i'd have to add more prints for that :) [12:25] tomeito tomatoh ? [12:25] * Chipaca wishes gdb would actually work [12:25] tomeito tomahto [12:26] anyhow, it's finished; the 15+ minute one might've been a bug in a for-testing snappy i had lying around [12:48] launchpad is so slow sometimes, more than 20 minutes and package is still not published [12:49] arm64 holding up the publication ? [12:49] ogra_: no, aborted that build as well [12:50] just waiting the armhf one to be published [12:50] weird [12:50] so I can trigger another build [12:51] sergiusens: elopio: fgimenez: latest tools published at tools-proposed [12:51] we should use that ppa when validating the RC image [12:51] so we can also validate the tools at the same time [12:52] rsalveti, ack thanks [12:53] yay, published [12:57] ogra_: link? [12:57] sergiusens, ? [12:57] http://www.ubuntu.com/ [12:57] thats a link :P [12:58] ogra_: oh, jolla [12:58] ah, that [12:58] good golly jolla [12:58] yeah,. they are splitting up into a HW company and a SW licensing sales one [12:58] good morning. [12:58] (only german links) [12:59] ogra_: to support the russian deal maybe? [12:59] yeah, perhaps [12:59] though the deal might have been fake [12:59] i just heard that russia now demands that all phones come without OS [13:00] wtf [13:01] hi elopio [13:01] * ogra_ twiddles thumbs waiting for google [13:01] hey fgimenez. [13:02] so, do we have an rc to test today? [13:02] sergiusens, in case you want to use google translate http://www.golem.de/news/sailfish-os-lizenzierung-jolla-spaltet-sich-auf-1507-115094.html [13:03] elopio, rsalveti http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-snappy/15.04/rc/ is still 404 [13:05] balloons: yeah, working on that [13:05] elopio: the image is building [13:06] :-) ok, just wanted to make sure [13:06] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/ [13:07] 51 minutes, that will be just in time :) [13:13] Chipaca, sergiusens, mvo, the new grub config doesn't work well on personal, after install it has one install "system-a" which works, after a "snappy update" it has 4 entries which doesn't have labels mentioning system-a/b [13:13] booting the default boots the b partition [13:13] but then a snappy rollback ubuntu-core doesn't boot back to the system-a [13:14] QUESTION: can i install 10 snaps at the same time? [13:14] oh.. am i early? [13:14] seb128: are you using the latest snappy? [13:14] sergiusens, yes, upgraded this morning [13:14] seb128: because we aren't running update-grub anymore, so there should be only 1 grub entry at all times [13:15] sergiusens, oh, the image I did "snappy upgrade" on is likely having the old version installed [13:16] I guess I need to kick a new build to be able to try the upgrade for today's image [13:16] rsalveti, elopio ready for the hangout as well? Who all will be joining dholbach and I? === barry` is now known as barry_ === barry_ is now known as barry [13:17] -40 minutes [13:18] conyoo: yes, you are too early. And no, snappy install receives only one package as an argument. [13:18] you would have to call it ten times. [13:18] :'( [13:19] thanks elopio [13:19] balloons: ready here. I'm hoping the whole team will join. [13:19] elopio, awesome [13:19] no worries conyoo, we'll still answer your questions until then :p [13:19] :D nice [13:21] but is it technically possible to install more than 1 snap at the same time? i mean.. they are isolated from each other [13:21] would be really nice to sudo snappy install snap1 snap2 snap3 [13:21] conyoo: you mean, can you have more than one snap installed at the same time? [13:21] yep [13:22] no [13:22] NO [13:22] i want to install 10 snaps at the same time in parallel [13:22] and download [13:22] conyoo: you can't currently do that [13:22] conyoo: why do you want to do that? [13:22] oh :'( [13:23] oh well :d === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:23] but it's not theoretically impossible? [13:23] conyoo: no, it's not theoretically impossible. [13:23] super! thanks [13:23] can you have more than one active snappy process? [13:24] Chipaca: webdm is doing that today... [13:24] balloons: there is currently a single lock for all writes [13:24] parallel download unpack [13:24] sergiusens: nice, i missed that, good job [13:24] locking needs to happen after downloading at the least [13:24] locking *could* be made to be per-package [13:24] but it'd get fiddly :) [13:25] gotcha.. that would be the only way. I assumed a global lock [13:25] * conyoo awesome! brb beer low [13:25] balloons: it does have a global lock, but only because it was the quickest way forwards; we don't have global state that would require it [13:26] and one could argue that installing things is not supposed to be the most common state of a snappy system, so it isn't particularly high priority [13:26] but one won't === circ-user-XJGo3 is now known as ds_ === ds_ is now known as Nikolay [13:32] sergiusens, I switched the snapcraft trunk yesterday to our new python-based version. Now tarmac is giving me crap: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/snapcraft/debian-packaging/+merge/263937 [13:32] sergiusens, how does tarmac know what to install (i.e. pep8)? [13:33] Hello! Does anyone know how to read ADC data from BeagleBone Black with Ubuntu Snappy on it? There is no /sys/bus/iio file there. [13:33] sergiusens, do I just add sudo apt-get install lines to .tarmac.sh? [13:38] mterry: I'll install that, but no, we aren't rnning in chroots [13:38] sergiusens, there are probably more packages too -- how do other packages handle this? [13:38] sergiusens, I mean, more dependencies too [13:48] the link to the RC image here is broken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses/20150707 [13:50] hey josepht, it's currently building.. [13:50] josepht, try this http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ubuntu-15.04-snappy-amd64-generic.img.xz [13:51] it is indeed fresh fresh fresh [13:51] balloons, the workwhop will use a new build? [13:51] Ah ok! [13:51] yes, I think the builder is going to cut it close, hehe :-) [13:52] yeah, but the annoying sync that makes the image public might not run in time =\ [13:52] forgot this takes ages [13:52] the image can be generated with ubuntu-device-flash at least [13:52] rsalveti, is there a matching rev # on the edge channel or ? [13:52] sudo ubuntu-device-flash core 15.04 --channel edge --oem generic-amd64 --install=webdm --enable-ssh --output ubuntu-15.04-snappy-amd64-generic.img [13:52] sudo ubuntu-device-flash core 15.04 --channel edge --oem beagleblack --install=webdm --enable-ssh --output ubuntu-15.04-snappy-armhf-bbb.img [13:52] image 117 for amd64 and 118 for armhf [13:53] make sure to have https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+archive/ubuntu/tools-proposed in your system [13:54] Anyone will use KVM? All of you have IoT hardware?? o_O x) [13:54] elacheche, I've done it with KVM. No IoT hardware for me at the moment so :-) [13:55] Good to know that am not alone balloons x) [13:55] rsalveti, will the image be ready or should we tell folks to use u-d-f as you've laid out above? [13:55] hi all [13:55] howdy woobadooba [13:56] balloons: do we /join #ubuntu-on-air or is eveything going to be discussed here? [13:56] ypwong: I almost fogot, thanks to google calendar, XD [13:56] everything will be here sergiusens [13:57] balloons: updating some steps to use udf, because the sync won't finish on time. [13:57] elopio, ok, I'll leave you to it. Thanks for updating the wiki [13:57] balloons: elopio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11835948/ [13:59] QUESTION: why is the irc chatbox under the video so tiny? [13:59] woobadooba, is it really small [13:59] ? === leaf__ is now known as Guest11994 [13:59] * balloons looks [13:59] yes [13:59] balloons: what's the url for the hangout? [13:59] hmm.. indeed. I wonder if we can make it larger [13:59] the video is wider than the chatbox :)) [14:00] ChrisTownsend: I dunno if you saw this or not https://code.launchpad.net/~mariogrip/unity8-preview-lxc/unity8-preview-lxc-snappy I made it work with the snappy preinstalled personal tarballs, It boots but, does not seem to work correctly... [14:00] Hi [14:00] phew fixed it :d [14:01] i just hached the html from chrome [14:01] LOL [14:01] woobadooba, I updated the width to be the same as the video. Check it out now [14:01] balloons: perfect [14:01] mariogrip: Sweet! I knew we would have to support that soon. [14:02] Here we go! [14:02] mariogrip: In what way does it not work correctly? [14:02] * olli waves [14:03] woobadooba, thanks for pointing it out.. you are right it was tiny ;-) [14:04] balloons: thanks for fixing it so fast :D [14:05] adam8157 :) [14:05] ogra_, the img still building? === Guest11994 is now known as leafbold [14:05] elacheche, which one ? RPi you mean ? [14:05] The one in the wiki ogra_ [14:05] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-snappy/15.04/rc/ubuntu-15.04-snappy-amd64-generic.img.xz [14:05] ChrisTownsend: I need to do some debugging, but something is crashing. I get black screen with cursor. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [14:06] elacheche, ah, i dont know if we actually have a new img.xz yet ... i think we are currently testing directly via ubuntu-device-flash from the 15,.04 edge channel [14:07] mariogrip: Ah, ok. If you don't know already, try looking in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log and/or ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log. [14:07] mariogrip: When I have some time, I'll try this too. [14:07] mariogrip: Thanks for working on this! This is great! [14:07] ogra_, so we can't test using KVM? Should we just download the old IMG for KVM? [14:07] elacheche: we're still waiting the publisher [14:08] elacheche: you can build yourself with ubuntu-device-flash [14:08] elacheche, you should be able to use ubuntu-device-flash [14:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses/20150707 [14:08] (or yes, you would need to wait) [14:08] there are instructions in there on how to build it [14:09] ChrisTownsend: Awesome, i will do some more debugging and ping you when i get it working :) [14:09] thx rsalveti ogra_, I'll try that [14:09] :) [14:09] mariogrip: Great, thanks again! [14:09] kyrofa: one thing I forgot, not only we have to include the snappy scope, but we also need webdm in the image [14:10] seb128: is there a way to add a snap package to the seed? [14:10] alecu, indeed, good point [14:10] if not, we may need to repackage webdm as a deb [14:10] alecu, although in the most recent Core image, webdm was preinstalled [14:10] ogra_, rsalveti unfortunately the PPA don't support 12.04 x( [14:10] Think that I should go home and use my home laptop x) [14:11] alecu, no [14:11] kyrofa: we need to check with seb128 if webdm is preinstalled in the Personal image too [14:11] it's not [14:11] if you have questions, please prefix them with QUESTION: so we can more easily pick up the questions on the hangout [14:11] elacheche, oh, yeah, 12.04 is a bit ancient ... but ubuntu-device-flash is a static go binary [14:11] QUESTION: when is the snappy personal image ready to download (amd64)? [14:11] alecu, kyrofa, I guess the way to pre-install snap is to add them to the udf command that builds the image [14:11] elacheche, theoretically it could work on 12.04 if you just dpkg -i the deb package for trusty (14.04) [14:12] woobadooba, subscribe to the snappy-devel list, it's going to be announced there [14:12] seb128: that sounds good, thanks. [14:12] alecu, yw [14:12] seb128: what's a mailing list? [14:12] woobadooba, hmm, you just pointed out a flaw in our planning, we should have invited seb128 to this ubuntuonair ... he works on personal [14:12] joking but eww [14:12] thanks [14:12] woobadooba, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/snappy-devel [14:12] seb128, oh, that's pretty easy [14:12] thanks seb128 [14:12] dholbach, ^^^ how could we forget to invite the french guy :) [14:12] and ogra_ [14:12] yw [14:14] QUESTION: When do you think it will be ready for Ubuntu Desktop? (IF APPLICABLE) [14:14] QUESTION: is snappy fit for gigabit home routers? [14:15] QUESTION: Do you plan to have a possibility to mark official/verified snap packages, to allow users to differentiate between third party packages of a software and a package build by the dev. [14:16] so far the theory :) [14:16] QUESTION: What is the delay on this Hangout? [14:17] QUESTION: Hey guys! are planning to add support for openvswitch, btrfs, lxd in snappy itself or shell I look into making framework with it? [14:18] https://launchpad.net/snappy/+milestone/15.04.2 [14:18] QUESTION: How straightforward is it to install snappy on a normal x96 box, like say an Intel NUC? [14:18] I meant x86 of course. :D [14:19] jcastro: you scared me there for a bit... new arch to support and all :-P [14:19] jcastro, It is probably pretty universal. Just my guess. :) [14:19] QUESTION: I've managed to snappify my project with services, apps and everyhting. seems working so far. That project supports plugins. Can other people somehow publish plugins for my service through the store? [14:19] * sergiusens leaves the real answers for the hangout [14:19] you can just dd the img to a USB stick and it should boot right away [14:19] tsimonq2: yeah I just want to know if I can just dd a stick and go to town? [14:20] QUESTION: will the ubuntu phones use snappy in the future (whenish)? [14:20] jcastro, Good QUESTION hahahahaha [14:20] jcastro, yup. you can [14:20] QUESTION: How do I enable i2c on the raspberry pi 2 using Ubuntu Core? [14:20] yeah, that option isn't on the instruction page so I was wondering if it was that simple [14:20] pun for ogra_ :P [14:20] here's the channel guide: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/channels/ [14:20] * ogra_ hides [14:20] ogra_: good to know! flashing now. :D [14:21] hello, so I flashed an SD card with the default raspi2 image, but it doesn't seem to support networking at all? Is there a different image or do i have to make my own? [14:21] QUESTION: "snappy" is used for naming so many things that it's starting to be difficult to understand from context. (the OS that uses snap packages, the command line tool, the package format, and perhaps something else). Can we please start calling things using other names? (eg, the OS would be "Ubuntu Core" instead of "snappy", etc) [14:22] bschaefer, I did that last week and DHCP worked fine... [14:22] bschaefer, only ethernet, of course [14:22] thanks for the questions guys.. we'll get started answering them in a just a moment. Great questions! [14:22] kyrofa, right, ethernet wasnt being picked up sadly :(. (also didnt see an online demo was going on opps!) === markc is now known as Guest1110 [14:23] bschaefer, networking definitely works for me and all testers ... [14:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses/20150707 [14:23] ogra_, well super sad face, i see "net init skipped" on boot [14:23] bschaefer, you are not usin a wlan dongle or some suchm right ? you are talking about the wired NIC [14:23] * bschaefer re-installs and hopes something broke [14:24] ogra_, yup just a straight ethernet cable [14:24] (wlan works but needs manual tinkering) [14:24] ogra_, and i tested it on a different raspi2 image (and it worked fine) [14:24] so its not hardware [14:24] * bschaefer tries re-installing [14:24] QUESTION: What about Java platform on Snappy? [14:24] for those who want to help, this is the wiki page that should let you follow along with Leo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Snappy/OpenHouses/20150707 [14:25] sergiusens, mvo, it seems like the personal device tarball increased by 20+M since yesterday, do you know why/if any of the recent changes can explain that? [14:25] QUESTION: how does configuration files behave between updates? [14:26] seb128, i included gdbserver and libc6:i386 in the core seed (respectively for imbc6 i needed a hook in livecd-rootfs) [14:26]