| cyphermox | infinity: I know this isn't hard to verify or fix, but I want to make sure it's actually doing something useful | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| infinity | cyphermox: It's definitely finding a bug. | 00:07 |
| cyphermox | tgtd's purpose is to find bugs? | 00:07 |
| infinity | cyphermox: The daemon should be starting on install (and, indeed, can start manually), but isn't. | 00:07 |
| cyphermox | I know | 00:07 |
| infinity | cyphermox: No, autopkgtest's purpose is to find bugs. :P | 00:07 |
| cyphermox | ;) | 00:08 |
| infinity | Might be a bug in init-system-helpers or something. | 00:08 |
| infinity | The postinst looks pretty boilerplate. | 00:08 |
| cyphermox | looks like it might be that, yes | 00:08 |
| infinity | Except we've had that same init-system-helpers code since vivid. | 00:09 |
| infinity | (The merge, after the fixups, was a no-op) | 00:09 |
| cyphermox | what changed is that now systemd | 00:10 |
| infinity | Doesn't finish its sentences? | 00:10 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:23 |
| pitti | slangasek: thanks; seems she is still doing her job | 04:24 |
| gordon_ | hmmm | 04:35 |
| gordon_ | wanted to fix some bugs | 04:35 |
| gordon_ | but seems like all of them are either not consistent | 04:35 |
| gordon_ | or from old versions / translations | 04:35 |
| snkt | hiii | 05:54 |
| snkt | can anyone help me how to remove all the packages from ubuntu 10.04.3 or else from where I can download ubuntu-core 10.04.3 | 05:55 |
| Noskcaj | snkt, The isos are at http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04.3/ if that's what you want | 05:59 |
| snkt | Noskcaj, i want a minimal ubuntu of 10.04.3 without any application installed | 05:59 |
| Noskcaj | I assume you could just mark everything for uninstallation in synaptic then unmark the stuff that comes with the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. | 06:00 |
| Noskcaj | You could also use the mini iso then just install what you want from that | 06:00 |
| TJ- | snkt: You can build such a configuration using deboostrap | 06:00 |
| snkt | Noskcaj, TJ- , Thanks for your response... | 06:01 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:01 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 07:01 |
| seb128 | wgrant, hey, how is the wily translation opening going? | 07:44 |
| wgrant | seb128: Need to schedule exports with pitti. | 07:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 07:45 |
| pitti | wgrant: I suppose we can stop utopic cronjobs | 07:46 |
| wgrant | pitti: Given that it dies in three weeks, quite possibly. | 07:46 |
| pitti | wgrant: disabled on my end | 07:46 |
| wgrant | pitti: Will switch them over on mine. | 07:46 |
| wgrant | pitti: Do you recall the wiki page? | 07:46 |
| pitti | wgrant: I curently run vivid on Tue, and trusty on Fri | 07:47 |
| pitti | wgrant: https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule | 07:47 |
| pitti | oh dear, that's severely outdated | 07:48 |
| wgrant | Hm, well that looks totally out of date | 07:48 |
| wgrant | Yeha | 07:48 |
| pitti | wgrant: so, drop all but trusty and vivid, add wily, and then I'll adjust my cronjobs accordingly? | 07:48 |
| pitti | I need to do the first build manually, but I'll do that once it's on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+language-packs | 07:49 |
| wgrant | pitti: Are we considering 14.09 dead? | 07:49 |
| pitti | wgrant: AFAIK we completely updated to vivid+PPA | 07:49 |
| wgrant | Great. | 07:49 |
| pitti | and will probably move to rtm/15.04 for translations | 07:49 |
| wgrant | We may need to add the new 15.04 series later, but we can get there. | 07:49 |
| wgrant | Yep | 07:49 |
| wgrant | pitti: I might stick wily in the precise slot, to avoid the weekend. | 07:50 |
| pitti | wgrant: for releases, doing wily on Monday would be good | 07:50 |
| wgrant | Ah, true. | 07:50 |
| pitti | although.. | 07:50 |
| pitti | last time infinity wanted the langpacks done the week before already, i. e. Thu/Fri export would be better indeed | 07:51 |
| pitti | and for the alphas it doesn't matter really | 07:51 |
| pitti | wgrant: sorry about the confusion -- so wily on Thu sounds better | 07:51 |
| pitti | (so that I can build on Fri) | 07:51 |
| wgrant | http://paste.ubuntu.com/11834712/ -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11834720/ | 07:52 |
| wgrant | diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11834721/ | 07:53 |
| wgrant | Looks sane? | 07:53 |
| wgrant | trusty moves a day earlier. | 07:53 |
| pitti | wgrant: ITYM "wily" in teh last line | 07:53 |
| wgrant | Er yeah | 07:53 |
| mardy | pitti: I guess that python-dbusmock cannot be used to mock methods which are implemented in the dbus daemon itself, right? (like "GetConnectionAppArmorSecurityContext") | 08:16 |
| tjaalton | do trusty daily images get some sort of testing? | 08:16 |
| pitti | mardy: I've never tried that; my gut feeling is "no", but maybe dbus/python-dbus do allow it | 08:17 |
| pitti | wgrant: so, what's the final crontab now? | 08:17 |
| mardy | pitti: ok, I might try then, thanks | 08:17 |
| pitti | wgrant: nevermind, thanks for updating the wiki | 08:26 |
| ricotz | mdeslaur, hi, there are new releases of nss/nspr which could get in to wily | 10:14 |
| mdeslaur | ricotz: yes, there are | 11:11 |
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| ogra_ | xnox, yo ... you didnt answer my question on bug 1323732 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | bug 1323732 in adduser (Ubuntu) "adduser should support managing additional password/shadow/group files from libnss-extrausers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323732 | 11:35 |
| Unit193 | https://bugs.debian.org/791661 | 11:43 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 791661 in shadow "support for alternative passwd location (i.e. libnss-extrausers)" [Wishlist,Open] | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | Unit193, hah, thanks ... that crazy mvo guy | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | (though that still doesnt answer my question if xnox' suggestion would work for us :) ) | 11:45 |
| Unit193 | :) | 11:46 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Hey! Any idea when the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1470060 will land in Wily? | 12:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1470060 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[wily] unprivileged containers don't work any more due to missing cgroup permissions" [High,Fix committed] | 12:10 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, is that the cause of your "can't start applications" issue? | 12:15 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: upstream said they were going to release 222 today | 12:15 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: I'm ready to package it (I have pkgs for current git snapshot) | 12:15 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: so, hopefully today | 12:15 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: if you need some working packages right now, please feel free to use https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ubuntu/systemd | 12:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: It *might* be the issue for that, but it's also blocking some work I'm doing for the Lagacy X app support project I'm working on. | 12:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Cool, thanks! | 12:16 |
| seb128 | ChrisTownsend, was your issue from yesterday under a system using the lxc contained version of unity8? | 12:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: No, it's the non LXC version on Wily. | 12:17 |
| seb128 | k, that doesn't explain that issue then | 12:17 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: This is what is printed out in syslog when trying to start an app: | 12:19 |
| ChrisTownsend | Jul 6 08:54:07 Slave1 cgmanager[802]: cgmanager:do_create_main: pid 3150 (uid 1000 gid 1000) may not create under /run/cgmanager/fs/freezer/user.slice | 12:19 |
| ChrisTownsend | Jul 6 08:54:07 Slave1 cgmanager[802]: cgmanager:do_create_main: pid 3151 (uid 1000 gid 1000) may not create under /run/cgmanager/fs/freezer/user.slice | 12:19 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: It seems it might be related, but I don't know these things, so I'm just guessing. | 12:20 |
| seb128 | yeah, unsure why other systems don't have the same issue | 12:20 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: Right. I'll try pitti's package and see what happens. | 12:20 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: probably won't help; cgmanager is independent of sytsemd | 12:21 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: oh, maybe it will, nevermind | 12:21 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: if that's an unpriv LXC container that you are trying to trun | 12:21 |
| pitti | run | 12:21 |
| soee | can someone confirm if after (probably) kernel upgrade to 4.0 we can't now switch gpu on hybrid machine (intel + nvidia)? | 12:21 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Yeah, was just taking a stab in the dark. I'm not very hopeful:) | 12:22 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: \o/ It fixed my that issue! | 12:25 |
| seb128 | weird | 12:26 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: It's weird that I'm the only one seeing that and that this fixes it. | 12:26 |
| seb128 | right | 12:26 |
| * ChrisTownsend Shrugs | 12:26 | |
| seb128 | unsure what triggers the issue/what is different in your config | 12:27 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: "it" being the new version? or what? | 12:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | seb128: No clue. | 12:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: So the issue I had was that apps in Unity 8 dekstop wouldn't start due to the error I pasted above. | 12:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: You systemd PPA fixes this issue for me. | 12:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: No LXC's invlolved. | 12:28 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: nice! so it's the same cgroup issue then, cgmanager wants to create sub-cgroups for your session as your user | 12:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, what is weird is that others don't hit that issue | 12:28 |
| pitti | yeah, it's a race condition | 12:29 |
| seb128 | oh, ok | 12:29 |
| pitti | cat /proc/self/cgroup | 12:29 |
| ChrisTownsend | Oh...my computer is blazing fast I guess:) | 12:29 |
| pitti | if they all end with session-XX.scope, it's correct, but you might have some controllers which are just in the top-level (or some intermediate) hierarchy | 12:29 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: And to confirm, my unprivileged lxc's now start. | 12:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Thanks! | 12:30 |
| pitti | yw! | 12:30 |
| pitti | I wrote an autopkgtest now, so hopefully we'll stop breaking the unpriv lxc support | 12:30 |
| pitti | it's a distro patch, so it needs to be adjusted to behaviour changes in upstream | 12:31 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: That will be a very welcome test:) | 12:31 |
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| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Hey again. Seems Reboot/Shutdown from the power indicator are no longer working w/ the systemd from your PPA. Is this known? | 12:58 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: This is Unity7. | 12:58 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: not known, no; let me try | 12:59 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Ok. | 12:59 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Hmm, in my syslog, gnome-session is complaining about needing interactive authentication for those operations. | 13:02 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: works fine here | 13:02 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: so it probably means you don't have a "local" logind session | 13:02 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: do you mind filing a bug with "loginctl" and "loginctl show-session $XDG_SESSION_ID" outputs? | 13:03 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Hmm, wonder how I got into that state. | 13:03 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Sure, I can file the bug. | 13:03 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: That bug should be filed against the systemd package, right? | 13:06 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: yes | 13:07 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: ack | 13:07 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Ok, filed bug #1472259. Let me know if you need any other info. | 13:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1472259 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Quirky session behavior w/ systemd from ppa:pitti/systemd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472259 | 13:13 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: just to be sure, that's from a clean boot? | 13:14 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Yes | 13:14 |
| pitti | State=closing | 13:14 |
| pitti | so, odd indeed | 13:14 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Shall I purge your PPA just to be sure? | 13:14 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: oh, is that *after* you requested a shutdown? | 13:14 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Oh, right, I requested it. | 13:14 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: that would explain the "closing" | 13:14 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: ok, so that part is right; it seems some process is hanging in your session then | 13:15 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: does it shut down after 90s? | 13:15 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: No, it doesn't. | 13:15 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: can you please attach the output of "journalctl" there too, for completeness? | 13:15 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: I can reboot and get those outputs before issuing any shutdown or reboot. | 13:16 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Sure. | 13:16 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: after issuing shutdown is fine | 13:16 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: and even necessary -- as that's when the bug happens | 13:16 |
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| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Ok, attached the output of journalctl. | 13:18 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: I suppose "loginctl terminate-session $XDG_SESSION_ID" also doesn't do anything? | 13:22 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Says "Failed to issue method call: Access denied" | 13:23 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: right, sorry, with sudo | 13:23 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: I should have known that:) | 13:23 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Nothing happens | 13:23 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: hm, no immediate idea yet, I'm afraid; could you reboot with "debug" in the kernel command line, (try to) shut down again, and again attach "journalctl"? | 13:24 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Yep, will do. | 13:25 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: I'm assuming that you only upgraded systemd, nothing else? | 13:25 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: thanks | 13:25 |
| pitti | slangasek: will we have a TB today, or do we cancel it (as agreed last meeting, when there are no topics)? | 13:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: A couple of other packages that don't look relevant were upgraded too. However, the new 4.0 kernel was installed, and the first reboot I tried after running the 4.0 kernel was after I installed systemd. After I get this output, I'll purge your ppa and see what happens. | 13:27 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: cheers | 13:28 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: After purging your PPA, I can reboot/shutdown again. | 13:34 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: ok; let's see whether the debug log reveals anything | 13:37 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Ok. I attached it to the bug. | 13:37 |
| pitti | Jul 07 09:28:32 Slave1 gnome-session[1850]: gnome-session[1850]: WARNING: Shutdown failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InteractiveAuthorizationRequired: Interactive authentication required. | 13:37 |
| pitti | ok, that again | 13:37 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: err, wait, this looks *seriously* wrong: | 13:38 |
| pitti | c1 110 lightdm seat0 | 13:38 |
| pitti | 1 1000 townsend | 13:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Yeah, I thought that didn't look right. | 13:39 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: that means lightdm has the "foreground" session, and your XDG_SESSION_ID is c1 | 13:39 |
| pitti | and "your" session is a remote one "1" | 13:39 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: does that also look like that if you boot with wily's systemd? | 13:40 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Nope, it only lists my user as c2 and seat0. | 13:41 |
| pitti | that sounds correct then | 13:41 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: hm, need to think about thsi | 13:41 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Sure. Let me know if I can gather any more data or anything else to try. | 13:42 |
| ChrisTownsend | pitti: Thanks! | 13:42 |
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| seb128 | stgraber, hey, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is down/503, known issue? | 14:40 |
| teward | seb128: there was a 'downtime' notice email earlier today | 14:43 |
| teward | it went out over the -quality mailing list | 14:44 |
| teward | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2015-July/006051.html | 14:44 |
| seb128 | teward, thanks | 14:45 |
| teward | you're welcoem | 14:46 |
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| smoser | cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1402042 | 15:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1402042 in MAAS trunk "console= parameters need to be added before -- on kernel cmdline" [High,Triaged] | 15:10 |
| smoser | will that be sru'd to trusty ? | 15:10 |
| smoser | if not, any suggestions on how maas should know which token to use (--- or --) would be appreciated. | 15:10 |
| smoser | also would have to sru to precise installers. | 15:11 |
| smoser | :-( | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | the token change is already in the releases it should be. do you need to completely rewrite a command-line or can you append to it? | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | appending should be safe, things *should* (but it would be best to verify) already have the trailing separator | 15:13 |
| smoser | cyphermox, well, the problem is that maas now needs to behave differently based on the release it is installing | 15:17 |
| smoser | which it previoulsy did not do. | 15:17 |
| smoser | so i'd like to be able to throw '---' at everything and have the installers dtrt | 15:17 |
| cyphermox | I think it will, but I'm not certain | 15:18 |
| cyphermox | ie. --- on a -- release, you'll just get an extra token that preseed doesn't understand, and it shouldn't make it give up | 15:18 |
| cjwatson | the worst case there is that it won't be appended to the boot config in the installed system | 15:19 |
| smoser | right. thats what i care about. | 15:19 |
| smoser | i need it copied over to the installed system. otherwise i'd not be putting a '--' there at all. | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | but actually, I don't think even that's a problem | 15:19 |
| cyphermox | t just depends what debconf key it is | 15:20 |
| smoser | i dont care about debconf keys | 15:20 |
| smoser | i care about kernel command line args | 15:20 |
| smoser | ie if i boot installer as: | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | hum, then I think you do need to have the separator | 15:20 |
| smoser | somearg root=someplace arg2 -- foo=bar zee wark | 15:20 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 15:21 |
| smoser | i need 'foo=bar zee wark' copied over to install system | 15:21 |
| cyphermox | smoser: give me a minute I'll look at preseed and whatnot | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | ah, right, yeah, valid separator is required. but it should be fine as long as you're definitely picking up SRUed installers | 15:21 |
| smoser | so the installars have been sru'd then ? | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | hm, checking | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | doesn't look like it, in fact. they really ought to be, because kernel backports | 15:22 |
| smoser | right. | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | affects anything from 3.15 on | 15:23 |
| smoser | right. | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | so IMO we should SRU debian-installer-utils to precise/trusty/utopic, then that'd be picked up by the next d-i SRU | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | the patch accepts either separator so is safe | 15:24 |
| smoser | right. | 15:24 |
| smoser | so i'll just make bug 1402042 affects debian-installer-utils ? | 15:24 |
| ubottu | bug 1402042 in MAAS trunk "console= parameters need to be added before -- on kernel cmdline" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1402042 | 15:24 |
| smoser | maybe change the bug title.. or i can file another. | 15:25 |
| smoser | cjwatson, what package to affect ? | 15:45 |
| mdeslaur | stgraber: do we have a tech board meeting today? | 15:46 |
| smoser | got it. (was confused when apt-cache didn't know about debian-installer-utils) | 15:46 |
| stgraber | mdeslaur: not sure, I was planning on joining the channel and see if people were there :) according to the wiki it's slangasek's time to chair | 15:51 |
| mdeslaur | stgraber: oh! I misread the wiki and though it was you | 15:51 |
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| slangasek | ah, well I'm planning to be there :) | 15:52 |
| slangasek | infinity kees pitti: TB meeting in 7 minutes :) | 15:53 |
| pitti | slangasek: ack | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | smoser: yeah, apt-cache show won't tell you about udebs, but apt-cache showsrc would have done | 15:56 |
| cjwatson | debian-installer-utils, indeed | 15:56 |
| hjd | Hm... sqlalchemy in Wily-proposed failed to build on amd64 because it didn't find python-zzzeeksphinx (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sqlalchemy/1.0.6+ds1-1/+build/7577027). But sqlalchemy built successful on all other architectures (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sqlalchemy) even though zzzeek-sphinx is only available on amd64 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zzzeeksphinx). | 15:57 |
| snow_ru | hi | 15:59 |
| hjd | I'm confused why it would fail on one architecture, but not the others. Am I missing something here? | 15:59 |
| snow_ru | hi all | 15:59 |
| snow_ru | i don't know if this bug is fixed | 16:00 |
| snow_ru | so I come here | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | hjd: your premises are wrong in two ways :-) | 16:00 |
| snow_ru | sudo apt-get install python-pip | 16:00 |
| snow_ru | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 16:00 |
| snow_ru | python-pip : Depends: python-pip-whl (= 1.5.4-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed | 16:00 |
| snow_ru | Recommends: python-dev-all (>= 2.6) but it is not installable | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | hjd: firstly, python-zzzeeksphinx is available on all architectures - it's just only built on amd64, because it's architecture-independent | 16:01 |
| snow_ru | Recommends: python-wheel but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 16:01 |
| snow_ru | thanks ! | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | hjd: secondly, the reason this only failed on amd64 is that it's listed in Build-Depends-Indep, which is only considered on amd64 (as of vivid) | 16:02 |
| snow_ru | I saw on lauchpad that htis bug has been fixed a couple of weeks ago, but it stll happens on my machine | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | hjd: finally, the reason it failed at all is that sqlalchemy is in main, but python-zzzeeksphinx is in universe | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | it requires a main inclusion report for zzzeeksphinx if that build-dep is going to stay there | 16:03 |
| pitti | . o O { can we reject MIRs on the grounds of "silly/unpronouncible package name"? } | 16:05 |
| hjd | cjwatson: Ah, ok. "python-zzzeeksphinx is available on all architectures" That makes sense, I should probably have guessed/checked that since it's a python package. | 16:06 |
| hjd | cjwatson: Didn't check main vs universe though. | 16:06 |
| hjd | cjwatson: I'm reading about Build-Depends-Indep, but I'm not sure if I understood it correctly. They are dependencies which are used to create architecture independent packages (https://wiki.debian.org/Build-Depends-Indep), but they are only fetched for a particular architecture? Is it simply that the architecture independent binary packages are built once (because once for each arch would simply create duplicates) and the architecture | 16:13 |
| hjd | where they are built happen to be amd64? | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | hjd: as you say. | 16:14 |
| hjd | ok :) | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | though not "happens", it's specifically configured that way. | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | used to be i386, but amd64 is a better default nowadays, so that's what's used from vivid on. | 16:14 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: ah, nice! http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-July/033464.html | 16:23 |
| snow_ru | ok. | 16:23 |
| snow_ru | wgrant, ? | 16:27 |
| snow_ru | wgrant, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1468155 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1468155 in python-pip (Ubuntu) "unable to install python-pip (1.5.4-1ubuntu3). python-dev-all not installable" [Critical,Fix released] | 16:29 |
| arges | is there a bug for fixing /etc/network/interfaces to somehow match the interface name that systemd sets up in wily? | 16:46 |
| pitti | arges: no, and we don't plan on doing this on upgrades; upgrades won't use the new names | 16:46 |
| pitti | arges: it's not just /e/n/i, it's also firewall configs and an unknown amont of other places where admins might rely on the old names, so this is essentially not upgradeable automatically | 16:47 |
| arges | pitti: so here's my problem. I install wily using the daily iso. When I boot the machine /etc/network/interfaces doesn't match what ifconfig -a shows me | 16:47 |
| pitti | there's a manual procedure in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian | 16:47 |
| arges | so i don't have networking until I type in the name manually into /etc/network/interfaces | 16:47 |
| arges | (this is server only obviously) | 16:47 |
| pitti | arges: ah, so apparently you found a case where the installer hardcodes eth0, or there's something wrong with the udev-udeb | 16:48 |
| pitti | arges: would you mind filing a bug with the details how you installed, your /e/n/i, and the installer logs? | 16:48 |
| arges | pitti: the testcase is: install wily ubuntu-server | 16:48 |
| arges | pitti: what does /e/n/i mean? | 16:48 |
| pitti | arges: against systemd should do for now, I can reassign it to d-i or wherever appropriate | 16:48 |
| pitti | arges: /etc/network/interfaces | 16:48 |
| arges | pitti: ah! make sense | 16:48 |
| arges | pitti: yup, I figured I'd check if this was a 'known issue' first | 16:49 |
| arges | i'Ll file the bug | 16:49 |
| pitti | arges: not that I know of | 16:49 |
| pitti | arges: cheers! | 16:49 |
| pitti | ChrisTownsend: I asked for another log in the bug, if you have time | 16:55 |
| teward | pitti: can I pick your brain for a moment? NOt sure if I did before. | 16:56 |
| teward | when you have a minute :) | 16:56 |
| nemo | So we have pretty good maintainers of the ubuntu packages these days for Hedgewars. Locutus is very diligent w/ backports | 17:15 |
| nemo | and even obscurish stuff like arm and testing our C cross-compile... | 17:15 |
| nemo | the issue is that ubuntu does not make upgrading to backports terribly discoverable for users | 17:16 |
| nemo | today 'cause I was a bit more attentive, I ran into 3 users over the course of 2 hours on our server using 0.9.20 - the version released in 2014 | 17:16 |
| nemo | none of them could play other users, so were just a bit frustrated at the lack of rooms. | 17:17 |
| * ogra_ lols about "obscurish stuff like arm" ... | 17:17 | |
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| nemo | ogra_: heh. well... if we actually had a functioning mobile port | 17:17 |
| ogra_ | nemo, we sell phones with ubuntu on it | 17:17 |
| nemo | ogra_: there aren't a ton of arm desktops. chromebook, but unfortunately graphics accel on chromebook sucks | 17:17 |
| ogra_ | what arch do you think they are ;) | 17:17 |
| nemo | ogra_: I know... I keep meaning to try ubuntu mobile on my nexus 5 | 17:17 |
| nemo | ogra_: just noting our phone situation isn't great | 17:17 |
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| ogra_ | its young ... | 17:18 |
| nemo | ogra_: not totally sure the touch integration is even compiled in that package | 17:18 |
| nemo | so from our perspective, arm is kind of obscure ☺ | 17:18 |
| nemo | anyway... | 17:18 |
| nemo | so.. I get why backports is not so discoverable for users. you don't want people accidentally breaking key system packages | 17:18 |
| nemo | but... hedgewars is pretty much the opposite of that. broken without upgrading, and not a key package, in fact, pretty isolated. | 17:19 |
| nemo | is there, by any chance, some flag to request "auto upgrade" for a package? that is, recommend upgrade if backports is enabled? | 17:19 |
| gordon_ | Wish to try Ubuntu touch on nexus 6 | 17:19 |
| nemo | gordon_: is that directed at me? don't have a nexus 6, don't plan to ever buy one | 17:19 |
| gordon_ | No, not to you | 17:20 |
| nemo | seems barely worth the price now after the price cut, and pissed off at lack of replaceable battery or minisd | 17:20 |
| nemo | ok | 17:20 |
| gordon_ | I have nexus 6 ;) | 17:20 |
| nemo | *microsd | 17:20 |
| gordon_ | And can day that it's nice | 17:20 |
| nemo | if there is such a flag, I could ask locutus to enable it on our package, to cut down on this annoying fact that 6 months after latest release we still get a steady stream of confused ubuntu users | 17:20 |
| nemo | well. more like a trickle. windows *is* the dominant platform :-/ | 17:21 |
| nemo | and OSX isn't a problem w/ upgrading | 17:21 |
| cjwatson | nemo: no such server-side flag for backports. If it's broken without upgrading, though, then it should probably be updated as an SRU, in -updates; this fits the same kind of conditions as https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-March/000550.html | 17:34 |
| nemo | cjwatson: I'd be all for that | 17:34 |
| nemo | we had some success w/ that in the past I think | 17:34 |
| nemo | but it has been very hit or miss | 17:34 |
| cjwatson | backports isn't meant to be a way to deal with a package that's just outright broken in the release pocket due to external changes | 17:34 |
| nemo | cjwatson: the issue is that it isn't *broken* just online play won't work against the official release version | 17:34 |
| nemo | cjwatson: since we are using a similar approach to, oh, Spring | 17:34 |
| cjwatson | well, that's an important piece of broken functionality | 17:34 |
| nemo | that is deterministic lockstep gaming | 17:35 |
| slangasek | pitti: cyphermox just brought to my attention a previously unknown (to me) corner case in proposed-migration: multipath-tools is blocked in -proposed by a buggy test in lava-dispatcher, and it looks to me that this test is buggy in the version of l-d in -proposed but not in wily. Could p-m somehow handle this case automatically? | 17:35 |
| nemo | cjwatson: alright. I'll talk to locutus to see if he can switch to that approach in the future | 17:35 |
| cjwatson | I appreciate that going through the SRU process can take a while, but it's the best thing to do here | 17:35 |
| nemo | cjwatson: definitely getting tired of explaining this to ubuntu users ☺ | 17:35 |
| nemo | cjwatson: well. I wouldn't be the one doing it 😉 | 17:35 |
| nemo | cjwatson: deterministic lockstep isn't unusual in open source gaming. helps cut down on cheating, nice lightweight network communication.. I wonder if other games have a similar issue | 17:36 |
| nemo | even if they aren't doing that, can be missing key resources and such | 17:36 |
| nemo | cjwatson: it'd be nice if you guys could carve out a category for games | 17:36 |
| nemo | they are almost always not system critical, and usually people want to be on the latest hotness | 17:37 |
| nemo | only issue is dependencies ofc. | 17:37 |
| cjwatson | You could reasonably bring that to the techboard (which no longer includes me) as a suggestion, I imagine | 17:37 |
| nemo | ah | 17:37 |
| cjwatson | hedgewars in particular may be non-trivial because it's Haskell, and Haskell updates can be exciting | 17:37 |
| nemo | well. if #ubuntu-devel has such folks, consider it brought up 😝 | 17:38 |
| cjwatson | I don't know how much updates to hedgewars require updates to the libraries it uses | 17:38 |
| nemo | cjwatson: wellll you guys could drop the server piece for all I care ☺ | 17:38 |
| cjwatson | I expect that would be a harder sell | 17:38 |
| cjwatson | Dropping functionality in SRUs usually involves a whole lot more discussion | 17:38 |
| cjwatson | Anyway, it doesn't seem to have particularly tightly versioned libghc-*-dev build-deps, so that part is probably not a problem | 17:39 |
| nemo | agreed on haskell thing tho. but luckily unc0rr doesn't add new haskell dependencies as often anymore | 17:39 |
| nemo | he's been kinda burned out w/ being a dad, like me ☺ | 17:39 |
| cjwatson | It's only a problem for things that like to force latest version of everything | 17:39 |
| nemo | ogra_: hm... do you have an ubuntu phone? | 17:41 |
| ogra_ | nemo, several :) | 17:42 |
| ogra_ | (i used to work on the phone team( | 17:42 |
| nemo | ogra_: are you guys by any chance building hedgewars for the phone w/ MOBILE enabled? | 17:42 |
| ogra_ | nemo, the phone community hides in #ubuntu-touch btw | 17:42 |
| nemo | ogra_: I think we have the phone-friendly UI and touch events hidden behind that flag | 17:42 |
| nemo | ah | 17:42 |
| nemo | might have to drop by | 17:43 |
| nemo | ogra_: our android and iOS ports have languished | 17:43 |
| ogra_ | well, we dont rebuild any packages usually ... | 17:43 |
| nemo | but the MOBILE stuff is still in the source, and I'm curious if it is turned on/functioning | 17:43 |
| nemo | could ask someone to test it | 17:43 |
| nemo | ogra_: ah... I guess no then | 17:43 |
| ogra_ | so yeah, test it ... but it would likely need some packaging work to not break the desktop version of the package | 17:43 |
| nemo | ogra_: definitely mobile UI is totally different from desktop | 17:43 |
| ogra_ | right ... | 17:44 |
| nemo | but the android/iOS guys put fair amount of effort into it years ago, and in a platform generic fashion | 17:44 |
| nemo | if someone over there was willing to try a test build of an ubuntu mobile package, we might finally have a functioning mobile port again ☺ | 17:44 |
| nemo | might be as easy as taking existing ubuntu package and enabling that build flag. maybe. | 17:44 |
| nemo | well. the frontend would not be as mobile friendly, but that's less critical than gameplay | 17:45 |
| snow_ru | hi MasterPiece | 18:07 |
| snow_ru | how areyou ? | 18:07 |
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