[00:44] <dadexix86> hi all! is there a way to have scopes (in particular the NearBy one) on the desktop also?
[00:56] <ahoneybun> dadexix86: I should be available once Unity8 hits (I believe)
[00:56] <ahoneybun> right now Desktop: Unity 7 Phone/Tablet: Unity 8
[03:19] <dadexix86> ahoneybun, thank you. so no hope for now? :( :(
[03:20] <ahoneybun> dadexix86: for now, there are daily images and way to use Unity 8 in a LXC container but it is not prime time ready yet
[03:21] <dadexix86> ahoneybun, I don't feel ready for that yet, I'll wait for tomorrow to come ;)
[03:21] <ahoneybun> no problem :)
[03:31] <dadexix86> thank you :)
[03:44] <ahoneybun> thank you for the work mariogrip :)
[05:01] <sturmflut_> alextu: Ping
[05:05] <sturmflut_> john-mcaleely: Ping
[05:17] <sturmflut_> ogra_: Ping
[05:24] <sturmflut_> At least on arale/MX4, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1470376 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1471913 are a kernel problem. I'll send the data to prove it later this morning
[06:14] <alextu> sturmflut_, hi~
[06:14] <sturmflut_> alextu: Hey! I think I have something, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471913
[06:15] <sturmflut_> alextu: Is this already being worked on?
[06:15] <alextu> sturmflut_, looking it , please wait a mins. :)
[06:17] <alextu> sturmflut_, excuse me, but which channel and image version you used to reproduce this issue?
[06:19] <sturmflut_> alextu: Argh, should have added that. ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en r47, but lots of people are also reporting it with stable r2, and there might even be a similar problem on krillin
[06:25] <alextu> sturmflut_, currently exists a inter bug ticket for battery status stuck in 30% while charging, but looks not same as this one.
[06:27] <alextu> sturmflut_, is it very easy to reproduce? or just happens randomly? can it be reproduced every time if I follow the instruction in #1 ?
[06:29] <sturmflut_> alextu: It happens randomly, but very often. This was my first try to reproduce it and I didn't do anything special. Other users also report that the battery level gets stuck while discharging.
[06:30] <alextu> sturmflut_, thanks for information, will report this issue to internal worker.
[06:30] <sturmflut_> alextu: \o/
[06:31] <alextu> sturmflut_, we have a new image on rc-proposed r50, you can try it if convenient and check if something improved. :)
[06:33] <sturmflut_> alextu: Will do, but repeating the test will take a couple of hours
[06:34] <alextu> sturmflut_, yes, I agree, it hard to reproduce and cost a lot of time. :(
[06:40] <sturmflut_> alextu: But I think it's pretty clear where the problem lies, the kernel code that converts the battery voltage to a percentage gets stuck for some reason. It probably averages the input values to keep the percentage from jumping too much around
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07] <zubozrout> Hello, I am sorry to spam here with my problem, but I using my Nexus 7 LTE with Ubuntu and recently mobile data stopped working. On devel it works just fine but on devel-proposed, I can no longer use my mobile data for internet connection. But I can still send sms. Here is my bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nuntium/+bug/1469496 - could anyone please help me out and tell me what is going on and if there i
[07:23] <melon1> Hello! I'm having a problem connecting my MX4 to mobile data. Phone connection works normally. I've tried entering internet APN manually but my provider (Universal Telekom) wants me to enter APN proxy etc, which are not part of the APN configuration fields. Has anyone else had this problem or know how I can configure this?
[07:24] <melon1> telecom*
[07:28] <melon1> I am in Sweden, also
[07:58] <zubozrout> How is this used now? set-context-property [modem] [context_number] <name> <value> ... what [modem] values are acceptable? Thanks
[08:00] <melon1> Thanks for the answer. I solved it.
[08:00] <melon1> Turned out I just had old instructions. I found the new settings needed and entered those. It worked!
[08:01] <zubozrout> hmm, I just found ./list-modems which is what I needed - but still this doesn't solve my original problem :'( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nuntium/+bug/1469496
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Day! 😃
[08:48] <jrbt> heyo! :)
[08:49] <jrbt> Uh, all the ubuntu touch phone will be compatible with the convergence feature?
[08:50] <jrbt> Even if it is not included by default?
[08:50] <jrbt> I think that my Bq can run a convergence desktop, it is more powerful than a chromebook (and Ubuntu working well on a chromebook)
[08:52] <matv1> good god just came across jack wallens review on techrepublic. I am absolutely appalled by so much misinformation
[08:52] <jrbt> matv1, which phone?
[08:53] <jrbt> that http://www.techrepublic.com/article/bq-aquaris-e5-an-ubuntu-edition-phone-that-severely-disappoints/ ?
[08:53] <matv1> he bought the bqE5 apparently
[08:55] <jrbt> "The hardware is laggy and slow at best" :( I bought this one
[08:55] <matv1> jrbt yeah that
[08:55] <matv1> it gets worse
[08:55] <matv1> what does one do about something like that. it is so misleading and misinformed
[08:56] <matv1> he loves to start flamewars. maybe ignoring it is best
[08:56] <jrbt> "Confusing /  Unpolished" Uh, absolutely not
[08:56] <jrbt> Yeah
[09:00] <svij> "I wanted to take a screenshot of the platform to show you how bad it is, but there's no way to do so (unless you want to take the time to drop into command interface). " LOL
[09:01] <svij> "Scopes are shortcuts to websites" oh… yea… exactly!
[09:01] <matv1> svij yup.. how utterly useless as a tech journalist can you get :(
[09:02] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[09:03] <svij> matv1: I don't know that guy, but just saying "it's bad" without explanation is childish.
[09:03] <Sleep_Walker> morning
[09:03] <svij> moin sturmflut2
[09:03] <Sleep_Walker> another app request - command line interface for sending SMS
[09:03] <Sleep_Walker> is it possible already through some dbus?
[09:03] <sturmflut2> Sleep_Walker: There is one in /var/lib/ofono/scripts I think
[09:03] <Sleep_Walker> those virtual keyboards are still pain to write with :)
[09:04] <Sleep_Walker> sturmflut2: excellent, thanks!
[09:04] <matv1> svij yeah but the thing is, he has got quite a big platform on techrepublic. self proclaimed linux guru. but his work is soo bad
[09:06] <svij> matv1: ya :-/
[09:07] <matv1> and its not like he does not realize how harmfull his scribbles are. he just seems to care more for some extra hits.
[09:09] <matv1> i wonder if there are any guidelines from community management how to deal with stuff like that
[09:09] <sturmflut2> matv1: Just read the backlog. You can't do much about those news sites, there simply is no quality journalism anymore. I called Softpedia out a couple of days ago for spreading rumors as facts, and the reply implies that the guys running these sites simply don't know or don't care how journalism works. It's all about ad revenue and clickbait.
[09:10] <matv1> sturmflut2 gd morning :) so you're saying ignore it?
[09:11] <sturmflut2> matv1: I decided to pretty much ignore it, this is not something you're going to win. Choose your battles wisely.
[09:12] <ulrichard> Since a couple of days I can't answer calls on my Aquaris 4.5. Is this a known problem with workarounds?
[09:13] <sturmflut2> ulrichard: Hm, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1470044 comes to mind
[09:15] <ulrichard> sturmflut2: No, that sounds differently. My phone rings, but it doesn't switch to the UI where I could answer.
[09:16] <matv1> sturmflut2 thanks. you're probably right.
[09:16] <ulrichard> sturmflut2: And I can't say for sure if it started with the last system update or a few days after.
[09:17] <sturmflut2> ulrichard: Ah! Sorry, I got it wrong. That could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1453004 then
[09:21] <ulrichard> sturmflut2: Yes, that sounds exactly like it. Thanks for the link.
[09:24] <sturmflut2> ulrichard: It is on the list for the OTA-5 update, and looks like a fix was merged yesterday
[09:48] <jrbt> "We are deeply sorry that the phone is out of stock by now, and we don't have confirmed information about it currently, please wait patiently." meizu customer service :(
[10:37] <tathhu> :/
[10:38]  * tathhu got still same status on E5 :( stop processing and send it
[10:57] <sturmflut2> jrbt: You got an invite, tried to cash it in and this message came up? Or where does this come from
[11:09] <sturmflut2> seb128: Ping
[11:10] <jgdx> pete-woods, thanks for the update. Do you still have that wpa-ep in your home?
[11:10] <pete-woods> jgdx: yes, although I've not tried it yet with my backup laptop
[11:10] <pete-woods> (the radius server lives on a VM in there)
[11:11] <jgdx> ugh
[11:11] <pete-woods> yeah
[11:11] <pete-woods> I give the VM ownership of my ethernet card
[11:11] <jgdx> davmor2, you're still up and running with a wpa-ep network though? :)
[11:15] <sturmflut2> Which images contain the WPA2 Enterprise patches?
[11:20] <jgdx> sturmflut2, rc proposed at this point, but the rest is in silo 53
[11:24] <seb128> sturmflut2, contentless ping
[11:25] <sturmflut2> seb128: Sorr. Will the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1461624 be part of OTA-5?
[11:25] <jrbt> sturmflut2, uh, I have canceled my order before pay it, I have changed mind but I can't order my mx4 ubuntu edition
[11:26] <seb128> sturmflut2, yes
[11:26] <jrbt> I have contacted the support (phone + email) and receive that.
[11:26] <sturmflut2> seb128: \o/ One more down
[11:26] <seb128> sturmflut2, it landed in the vivid overlay for a while
[11:27] <Mirv> jamesh: hey! are you developing the new thumbnailer mainly on wily or vivid-overlay? I'll be preparing a silo with the async image loader segfault fix for both anyway, but just interested on which one you'll be able to test most easily.
[11:30] <Mirv> jamesh: oh, I see you have it already in silo 10? so the answer is "both". I'll let you know once the vivid silo is testable, since that's more important to be tested.
[11:42] <sturmflut2> john-mcaleely: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471906 might be caused by a QStorageInfo object running in a loop somewhere, at least the paths that are being polled are exactly the ones QStorageInfo accesses
[13:06] <tiheum> popey: Hi Allan, do you remember the bug you opened regarding the new app icons? https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1457424
[13:06] <popey> yes
[13:06] <tiheum> popey: how can I know if the icons will be available in the next OTA?
[13:07] <tiheum> I mean OTA-5
[13:07] <popey> sil2100: ^
[13:07] <popey> thats the goal
[13:10] <sil2100> tiheum: yes, that's the plan
[13:10] <sil2100> tiheum: popey will be uploading the ones for core-apps today to the store, the rest will come with the official update next week
[13:11] <tiheum> popey, sil2100: when status is 'in progress', it means that the icon is not updated yet, right? isn't it too late as the freeze is today?
[13:11] <popey> it's all in hand :)
[13:12] <sil2100> tiheum: it's not too late - we're freezing around the end of the day, so there's still time
[13:13] <jgdx> pete-woods, ^ so I was planning on testing wpa-ep later tonight, but it seems it has to happen earlier.
[13:13] <jgdx> rules me out as tester :|
[13:14] <tiheum> sil2100: ok, do you think that I should contact the developers to remind them to update, or the bug tracking if enough? (sorry, I don't really know how you guys work)
[13:15] <jgdx> tiheum, what apps are missing updated icons?
[13:17] <sil2100> tiheum: most apps already have the icons changed or ready for release, do you know of any that need to be done still?
[13:20] <tiheum> sil2100, jgdx: I don't know. I have a BQ phone since 3 days only so I don't use any developer channel/branch. On the phone, all the icons are the old ones. That's why I asked if there's a way to know which icons could me missing.
[13:24] <popey> tiheum: i have intentionally held back the icon updates from the store
[13:24] <popey> tiheum: they will all get updated at once a little later today, look out for them ㋛
[13:25] <sturmflut2> Oh, I completely missed the "meizu.zh" channels
[13:25] <tiheum> popey: ok, thanks
[13:27] <kenvandine> popey, silo 2 adds the events content type, it's waiting for QA but looks like it won't make it for ota-5
[13:56] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: :D
[13:56] <ahoneybun> :D
[14:02] <kenvandine> abeato, can you take a look at bug 1455574
[14:02] <kenvandine> i've reproduced that with the ofono scripts
[14:02] <kenvandine> abeato, but what's interesting is once i run list-modems once, it won't fail to change the property again
[14:02] <kenvandine> works perfectly
[14:03] <kenvandine> abeato, i think it's krillin specific
[14:04] <abeato> kenvandine, ok, does it work in mako then?
[14:05] <kenvandine> abeato, i think it works on arale
[14:05] <kenvandine> didn't test mako
[14:05] <kenvandine> abeato, do you know why running list-modems once fixes it?
[14:05] <kenvandine> abeato, does that make any sense?
[14:06] <abeato> kenvandine, well, not a lot
[14:06] <abeato> kenvandine, list-modems does refresh the call waiting properties
[14:06] <kenvandine> abeato, i got that same "Failed" message from the script several times
[14:06] <kenvandine> then i ran list-modems
[14:06] <kenvandine> and i ran the script again and it changed the property properly
[14:07] <kenvandine> and ran it a bunch of times and worked 100% of the time
[14:07] <kenvandine> then the UI also worked properly
[14:07] <abeato> kenvandine, is the script enabled for dual SIM?
[14:07] <kenvandine> abeato, note there is a UI bug, where the switch doesn't properly bind to the property which i have a fix for
[14:07] <kenvandine> abeato, yes... it takes the modem as an arg
[14:07] <kenvandine> and the script does work eventually
[14:08] <abeato> kenvandine, ok
[14:16] <cwayne> oSoMoN: should browser be able to launch .html files from file-manager?  i'd think so right..
[14:17] <oSoMoN> cwayne, I’d think so too, is it not working?
[14:17] <cwayne> oSoMoN: nope, it says theres no apps to handle this type of content
[14:21] <oSoMoN> cwayne, I’m seeing the same thing. However typing in the full URI to the file on disk in the browser’s address bar correctly opens it
[14:21] <oSoMoN> cwayne, not sure where the issue really lies, but feel free to file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+filebug
[14:27] <kenvandine> abeato, if i wait a while and try the script again, i get the 'Operation failed' again
[14:29] <kenvandine> abeato, also... if i run the test-call-settings script a few times, it starts to work
[14:29] <kenvandine> so it isn't just list-modems
[14:29] <abeato> kenvandine, ok, I'll try to reproduce here
[14:29] <kenvandine> so it must have something to do with refreshing the call settings
[14:29] <kenvandine> abeato, thx, let me know if you need anything from me
[14:30] <abeato> kenvandine, ok, np
[14:35] <tathhu> anyone got idea how long it takes to send bq into fi? :(
[14:37] <popey> tathhu: they're pretty responsive if you ask them yourself
[14:39] <tathhu> well... that. :P
[14:42] <tathhu> popey: thank god for ssd, asking bq is fast :P
[14:47] <abeato> kenvandine, just answered on the bug, it's working fine for me, I wonder if maybe is the operator
[14:47] <abeato> kenvandine, could you attach your syslog to see if ofono produced some error?
[15:02] <kenvandine> abeato, sure
[15:05] <kenvandine> abeato, done
[15:05] <abeato> kenvandine, nice, thanks
[15:14] <tathhu> cool, tracking number :D
[15:24] <adfad666> ondra: your phablet-5.0.2_r3 branches, do they compile?
[15:34] <abeato> kenvandine, could you check what happens if you use http://paste.ubuntu.com/11836312/ ?
[15:34] <abeato> kenvandine, please paste output of those scripts
[15:36]  * sturmflut2 goes home, it's freakin' 38° C outside
[15:43] <kenvandine> abeato, that worked fine
[15:44] <abeato> kenvandine, I see, well, it is a problem with the bearer probably
[15:45] <abeato> kenvandine, when you set VoiceCallWaiting you are setting call waiting just for the voice service
[15:45] <abeato> kenvandine, using test-ss as described you use "default" as bearer
[15:46] <abeato> kenvandine, as you could see from the output of test-ss you have data, fax, voice, sms, etc. bearers
[15:47] <abeato> kenvandine, using "default" bearer is definitely safer, because some operators do not really like that you specify a concrete bearer
[15:47] <kenvandine> abeato, yeah, so where is the bug?
[15:48] <abeato> kenvandine, in the operator systems mainly :P
[15:48] <abeato> kenvandine, let me take a look at the standard, I'll ping you later
[15:49] <kenvandine> abeato, cool, thanks
[16:08] <abeato> kenvandine, what happens if you do "./test-ss /ril_0 "*43*10#""
[16:30] <kenvandine> abeato, works fine
[16:30] <kenvandine> CallWaiting : Operation [ activation ]
[16:30] <kenvandine> VoiceCallWaiting : enabled
[16:30] <kenvandine> FaxCallWaiting : disabled
[16:30] <kenvandine> SmsCallWaiting : disabled
[16:30] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[16:30] <kenvandine> that was supposed to be a pastebin
[16:31] <abeato> kenvandine, that's equivalent to using test-call-settings
[16:31] <abeato> the 10 specifies the voice bearer
[16:31] <abeato> kenvandine, wait I'm wrong
[16:31] <abeato> kenvandine, try "./test-ss /ril_0 "*43*11#""
[16:34] <kenvandine> abeato, ah, that does just output voiceCallWaiting
[16:34] <kenvandine> abeato, seems to work... but let me let me device go to sleep for a bit
[16:34] <abeato> ok
[16:34] <kenvandine> enable and disable seems to work fine, and quickly
[16:34] <kenvandine> faster than the call settings API
[16:35] <kenvandine> abeato, i'll give it 15m and try again
[16:40] <abeato> kenvandine, both calls are supposed to do the same
[16:41] <abeato> kenvandine, how is coverage in your area? do you have just 2G maybe for krillin?
[16:41] <kenvandine> yeah, 2g is all i get in the US
[16:41] <kenvandine> and the coverage is weak in my office
[16:46] <abeato> kenvandine, hmm, might be that... could you try with a different operator?
[16:47] <abeato> kenvandine, it looks a bit like a timeout issue, it takes too long some times, but retries work in the end
[16:48] <kenvandine> not a timeout
[16:48] <kenvandine> when i get the failed error, it's quick
[16:48] <abeato> kenvandine, ok, interesting
[16:49] <kenvandine> so i just tried that again, and it works fine
[16:49] <kenvandine> and quickly
[16:49] <abeato> kenvandine, seems some sort of network/modem issue
[16:49] <abeato> kenvandine, would be good if you can try with another operator
[16:49]  * abeato have to go, brb
[16:49] <kenvandine> abeato, ok
[16:53] <kenvandine> Unable to perform operation: org.ofono.Error.Failed: Operation failed
[16:53] <kenvandine> abeato, i just got that one time with test-ss
[17:07] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone on rc-proposed seen it before where SMS's appear to be 'from' the last person you sent a SMS to ?
[17:07]  * ahayzen has been very confused lately with friends/family 'sending' him O2 account info lol
[17:45] <nemo> ogra_: hello gain
[17:45] <popey> hi
[17:45] <ogra_> hey nemo
[17:46] <nemo> Would anyone here be interested in testing a game in ubuntu mobile?  Ogra told me you guys don't package it differently, and our touch UI is hidden behind a MOBILE ifdef in the game engine
[17:46] <nemo> I was curious if someone could try turning that flag on and rebuilding the package
[17:46] <nemo> telling me how it went
[17:46] <kenvandine> nemo, what game?
[17:46] <nemo> Hedgewars
[17:46] <ogra_> well, i said we dont particulary rebuild archive packages for the phone :)
[17:47] <nemo> ogra_: yeah, but game interaction on phone is a lot different than on desktop
[17:47] <ogra_> you likely would want a hedgewars-touch (or -phone or whatever) package in a separate build to not break the desktop version
[17:47] <nemo> yep
[17:48] <nemo> well. I don't maintain the ubuntu package, but could bring it up w/ locutus
[17:48] <kenvandine> nemo, i can build it to test
[17:48] <nemo> I just thought someone here could maybe see if it even works
[17:48] <nemo> our mobile stuff may be suffering from bitrot due to lack of volunteers ☹
[17:48] <ogra_> what engine does that use ? SDL ?
[17:48] <nemo> lot of stuff like uWorld.pas:{$IFDEF MOBILE}
[17:48] <nemo> ogra_: yep.
[17:48] <ogra_> 2 ?
[17:48] <ogra_> :)
[17:48] <nemo> ogra_: we support SDL2 - I think we use it for the android and iOS ports
[17:49] <nemo> although there are still a couple of missing pieces of functionality. nothing critical
[17:49] <ogra_> (we have neverball and neverput on the phone which apparently was not to hard to port due to that )
[17:49] <ogra_> so i guess it might actually work :)
[17:49] <nemo> ogra_: well... the issue is that hedgewars is a lot more complicated than tapping a ball 😝
[17:49] <nemo> but certainly in theory!
[17:50] <kenvandine> big checkout :)
[17:50] <nemo> hmmm
[17:50] <nemo> frig
[17:50] <nemo> I'm reading through our inc file
[17:50] <kenvandine> nemo, so how do i enable mobile?
[17:50] <nemo> kenvandine: I might have to ask you to edit a file ☹
[17:50] <kenvandine> no problem
[17:50] <nemo> check this out.. in options.inc
[17:50] <nemo> {$IFDEF MOBILE} {$DEFINE HWLIBRARY} {$DEFINE GLunit:=gles11} {$DEFINE USE_LANDSCAPE_AMMOMENU} {$DEFINE USE_TOUCH_INTERFACE} {$ELSE}
[17:51] <nemo> so... GLES makes sense.  HWLIBRARY though
[17:51] <nemo> building engine as a library is necessary on android and iOS to spawn it in same process
[17:51] <nemo> but that requires a fresh frontend
[17:51] <nemo> definitely do not want that defined for this case
[17:51] <nemo> kenvandine: can you delete the HWLIBRARY define in hedgewars/options.inc?
[17:52] <nemo> current desktop frontend expects to launch an executable, although there's some preliminary work to change that
[17:53] <kenvandine> hope my build device has enough space for this :)
[17:53] <nemo> kenvandine: oh. heh. is it grabbing the whole DVCS repo?
[17:53] <kenvandine> bzr branch of the ubuntu package
[17:53] <nemo> kenvandine: on my TODO once we migrate away from google code is to offer an svn co - that would slash space used. esp if the person locally runs relink
[17:53] <nemo> which is totally reasonable for read-only checkouts
[17:56] <nemo> hm... might have to change uInputHandlers too
[17:57] <nemo> MOBILE turns off binds
[17:58] <kenvandine> nemo, i'll ping you when i finish my checkout
[17:58] <kenvandine> grabbing some food while it downloads... bbiaf
[17:58] <nemo> actually... I guess turning off binds is a good thing.
[17:58] <nemo> on the other hand, isPhone is lol
[18:17] <SturmFlut> sil2100, pmcgowan: Is the release cycle between OTA updates now going to be 6 weeks by default, or just this once because everybody is on vacation?
[18:17] <pmcgowan> SturmFlut, yes we are settling o 6 weeks for a while
[18:18] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: that sounds like a very good idea
[18:18] <pmcgowan> oh good
[18:19] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: OTA-5 maybe at the end of next week, if manufacturer QA goes well? Or later?
[18:20] <pmcgowan> SturmFlut, yes middle of next week
[18:20] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: \o/
[18:20] <pmcgowan> if things go smothly
[18:22] <Yaabaa> Is it possible to install ubuntu desktop programs? I saw a article in german that suggested it, i am just a noob using a new system
[18:23] <nemo> Yaabaa: well... given I'm hanging out here to get them to rebuild a desktop package as mobile for usability, I'm going to guess "Yes" ☺
[18:25] <Yaabaa> could there be a way that we can use chromium to work with whatsapp?
[18:25] <kenvandine> nemo, ok... done checking it out
[18:25] <kenvandine> nemo, but my old grouper won't have enough space to actually build it
[18:25] <kenvandine> sorry
[18:26] <nemo> kenvandine: ☹
[18:26] <nemo> kenvandine: microsd cards are cheap these days ☺
[18:27] <nemo> ah well...
[18:27] <nemo> guess I'll try again some other time w/ someone else
[18:27] <nemo> kenvandine: maybe you could delete that copy of Frozen or something 😝
[18:28] <kenvandine> no SD card slot in the grouper
[18:28] <kenvandine> haha
[18:28] <kenvandine> it's an old nexus 7 with busted screen
[18:28] <kenvandine> my build box :)
[18:28] <kenvandine> running saucy... with a vivid chroot :)
[18:28] <nemo> O_o
[18:29] <nemo> kenvandine: hm. isn't it easier to just build on a VM or something?
[18:29]  * nemo shrugs
[18:29] <kenvandine> nemo, not usually... this is a great little build setup
[18:29] <kenvandine> but haven't tried anything as huge as this
[18:29] <adfad666> building on a tablet? wut
[18:29] <nemo> kenvandine: bah... nfsmount?
[18:30] <kenvandine> don't have time to setup all that now...
[18:30] <nemo> kenvandine: once upon a time I had a computer w/ a few hundred megs of HD space, 96MiB of RAM and a P166 processor... I ran gentoo on it
[18:30] <kenvandine> but might be a good idea in the future
[18:30] <nemo> kenvandine: I'd chroot in from desktop over nfs ☺
[18:30] <kenvandine> adfad666, it's pretty awesome for building... way better than doing cross builds :)
[18:31] <nemo> kenvandine: nfsmount isn't that hard to setup tho. ah well
[18:32] <kenvandine> and over wifi isn't going to be terribly fast
[18:32] <kenvandine> maybe another day i'll have more time to take a swing at it
[18:32] <kenvandine> pretty busy today
[18:32] <nemo> kenvandine: my experience w/ building over nfs mounts hasn't been terrible
[18:33] <nemo> kenvandine: that's 'cause reading the file is usually not the main issue, is more actually compiling it
[18:33] <nemo> small files, but CPU intensive
[18:33] <nemo> that gentoo build mentioned above, was one of the few times I build -Os
[18:33] <nemo> seemed to help, but, eh, didn't do any proper comparisons
[19:04] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: With shell rotation, if I lock "landscape" in the .desktop file and then print width and height of the my root widget in Component.onCompleted, I seem to get the non-rotated values
[19:13] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, if the scene needs to rotate still
[19:13] <Jakobs> hi all =)
[19:14] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, it should upate quickly tho
[19:14] <mzanetti> hi Jakobs
[19:14] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: At which point can I be sure that Screen.orientation has been updated?
[19:14] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, why would you need that?
[19:14] <Jakobs> i'm have troubles with installing ubuntu touch on nexus 7 divice
[19:15] <Jakobs> you installing on nexus 7 from windows?
[19:15] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Trying to build a QML webapp container that always shows the content in Landscape mode, on OTA-4 and OTA-5
[19:15] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: For a number of HTML5 games we have
[19:16] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, I'd suggest to do OTA-5 only, and then publish it when OTA-5 is out
[19:16] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, in OTA-4 this is not supported, you need bad hacks to do it.
[19:17] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, you probably don't want to spend too much time to create those hacks when OTA-5 is just around the corner
[19:17] <Jakobs> i have black screen on load divice
[19:18] <mzanetti> Jakobs, did you follow this guide? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[19:18] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: But there must be a way to do this, how would I find out which orientation I'm in when my app allows full rotation?
[19:18] <Jakobs> i'm installing from windows =)
[19:19] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, isn't there an orientation property somewhere?
[19:21] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, I think you want to do something like Machines-vs-Machines
[19:22] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Right, I'll have a look at your code
[19:23] <mzanetti> SturmFlut, instead of displaying the "Please rotate device" message you could do the hacky thing for OTA-4
[19:24] <tathhu> Jakobs: never use Windows for anything :p
[19:24] <Jakobs> need for Unity3d =)
[19:28] <tathhu> SoonTM
[19:28] <mzanetti> try unity8 instead
[19:28] <tathhu> :D
[19:29] <Jakobs> xD
[19:30] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Ha! Evil hackery works.
[19:31] <mzanetti> Jakobs, fwiw, I installed ubuntu on a nexus7 without pc (well, after unlocking the bootloader)
[19:31] <tathhu> mzanetti: ubuntu or "touch"?
[19:31] <mzanetti> It's been a while so not sure if it still works
[19:31] <mzanetti> touch
[19:32] <Jakobs> touch
[19:32] <tathhu> Damn. :D
[19:32] <mzanetti> in the android store there's some multirom manager thing
[19:32] <tathhu> 2013?
[19:32] <Jakobs> in recovery mode?
[19:32] <mzanetti> and that had support for ubuntu touch
[19:32] <Jakobs> nope 2012
[19:32] <tathhu> I just ubuntu-device-flash'd
[19:32] <tathhu> :P
[19:32] <mzanetti> is there a ubuntu-device-flash in windows?
[19:33] <mzanetti> wait... Nexus7 2012. I don't think we still support that, do we?
[19:35] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: I agree that it is not elegant, and should not be done, but we want to ship those games now. The whole solution with the QML WebView is a hack anyways, we're just doing it to work around other issus. At some point in the future we'll lock the orientation in the .desktop file, switch to webapp-container and everything is fine.
[19:35] <mzanetti> ah ok
[19:37] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: We fear your wrath, you know ;)
[19:38] <mcphail> SturmFlut: have a look at the cut-the-rope code. That has an orientation tweak
[19:39] <mcphail> SturmFlut: it is just a glorified webview, iirc
[19:39] <SturmFlut> mcphail: We stole everything useful from Cut The Rope ;)
[19:39] <mcphail> ha!
[19:39] <SturmFlut> Thiefs!
[19:39] <SturmFlut> no wait, it's "Thieves", isn't it
[19:40] <mcphail> SturmFlut: if it is good enough for Tolkein it is good enough for you
[19:45] <mcphail> SturmFlut: the WebView in cut.qml has "rotation: 90". Presumably that locks it?
[19:47] <mcphail> Although, I suppose the actual magic might be buried in the minified javascript
[19:48] <SturmFlut> mcphail: No, the "rotation: 90" actually does the trick
[19:48] <mcphail> problem solved?
[19:55] <SturmFlut> mcphail: We'll get there, just good old mathematics confusing me
[19:57] <mcphail> SturmFlut: Having been trying to translate SDL touch coordinates to various desktop stretches and orientations, I feel your pain. My aging brain can't cope
[19:57] <SturmFlut> It's mostly because of the heat today, 38°C at 6 PM
[20:53] <taiebot> ***taiebot sights. Was testing girlfriends phone today. She was ringing me could and I did not see any notification.  when she hanged, my phone started to ring
[20:59] <cwayne> hm, is it normal that my phone always goes to a unprotected network when it finds one, even if there's a saved protected network available?
[21:16] <taiebot> popey, mzanetti: to lock the lock screen in landscape mode. Open an app which can rotate. launch it rotate the phone in landscape > open the dash via a right swipe and leave it open > lock the screen > your stuck in landscape mode :-D
[21:17] <taiebot> popey mzanetti 100% reproducible here have you got a bug for this?
[21:18] <popey> bug 1471609
[21:19] <taiebot> popey thanks Did you manage to reproduce with my instructions?
[21:21] <taiebot> popey i might have meant the app spread instead of the dash
[21:21] <popey> will try
[21:22] <popey> i think that's how i initially triggerde it
[21:25] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-07-222534.png
[21:25] <popey> yup!
[21:26] <taiebot> popey: cool
[21:27] <taiebot> popey well you have to reboot now.
[21:28] <popey> or restart lightdm :)
[21:28] <popey> over ssh
[21:30] <taiebot> popey: easier when you are next to a computer. when in the wild its like *&$^&!! :)
[21:31] <popey> heh, indeed
[23:38] <samful> hello.
[23:39] <samful> I hesist to buy a Bq Aquaris e5, dit is not  kinda expensive for the specs?
[23:41] <samful> 199€ for 1gb of ram and only a cortex a7, I think it is extremely exga