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knightwisehey everyone06:27
MooDoomorning all07:02
DearAllkinsQuestion: Does anyone know how to topUP an 'E E' mobile phone sim card ? . Sorry for the question , but I'm abit of a fuddy-duddy . You do have those on here - don't you ?07:09
DearAllkinsno response - I guess I am the only FUDDYDUDDY on here then :/07:21
DearAllkinsleaving07:21
czajkowskialoha07:51
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:13
* brobostigon is thinking about android wear, as upgrade from his pebble.08:15
brobostigonfor his birthday08:15
TwistedLuciditybrobostigon: Meh, being tracked by the smartphone is bad enough IMHO.08:17
brobostigonTwistedLucidity: my pebble tracks me as well, i have a tracker on there as well, to monitor my distence etc.08:18
TwistedLucidityTracking for personal knowledge/interest is one thing. Being tracked by a third party is quite another.08:19
brobostigongood point, when i installed CM, i didnt have to install gapps,08:22
TwistedLucidityI wish I could install CM. Next phone will be rootable.08:22
TwistedLucidityWell, the phone is rootable; there's just no alternative ROM out there.08:23
brobostigonyour phone doesnt have to be rootable to install cm, you just have to be able to unlock the bootloader and install cwm for example.08:23
TwistedLucidityIt's not available for my phone.08:23
brobostigonhave you had a look on xda? there are roms for many different phones.08:24
TwistedLucidityYes. It simply is not available.08:24
brobostigonmay i ask what the phone is, please.08:25
TwistedLucidityOr the ones that are happen to be part-baked alphas08:25
foobarrysomeone cannot ssh to server, is it poosible to check the encrpytion and bits level used if i only have the pub key?08:25
TwistedLucidityIt's an HTC Desire X. There's loads of re-skin stuff, just not "proper" Android replacement.08:25
brobostigonif there are alphas, that means it is being worked on, and it is possible.08:26
TwistedLuciditybrobostigon: It's also a crap phone. Won't be touching HTC again.08:26
brobostigonTwistedLucidity: ah oh dear, the only htc i have had was the htc dream.08:27
TwistedLuciditybrobostigon: There's just so much installable junk, their "Sense" UI gets in the way and they provide no updates. Never again.08:28
foobarryssh-keygen -lf authorized_keys08:28
foobarrygot it08:28
* bashrc_ is currently running the latest CM on a phone08:28
* TwistedLucidity gives bashrc_ the evil eye08:29
bashrc_I'd like to use UbuntuTouch, but I just don't think the apps are quite there yet08:29
brobostigonTwistedLucidity: ah i see, i can imagine, this is why a couple of months ago when my parents wanted a new phone i sugegsted either the moto E/G, as its basiclly stock android, with no crapware.08:30
brobostigonbashrc_: i am running cm12.1 nightly from yesterday.08:31
bashrc_yes me also08:31
brobostigon:)08:31
bashrc_it runs pretty well08:31
TwistedLuciditybashrc_: That's heresey here! :-)08:31
brobostigoni ahree, what do you think of the new app menu?08:32
bashrc_not sure I've seen it08:32
diploKeep debating rooting/romming my G208:32
brobostigonbashrc_: do you use trebuchet?08:33
bashrc_no08:33
brobostigonthats why then.08:33
bashrc_what is it?08:33
brobostigonits cm's launcher, they designed themselves.08:34
brobostigonits there as standard.08:34
bashrc_ok, maybe I do use it then08:34
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Chocolate Day! 😃08:43
Cha|Swanpopey ping08:51
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Cha|SwanOh wat day is it today JamesTait ?08:52
JamesTaitCha|Swan, today is Chocolate Day!08:52
JamesTaitAnd something about forgiveness, which may or may not be related.08:53
* TwistedLucidity demand chocolate from JamesTait before he forgives him08:54
* JamesTait gives TwistedLucidity something brown and sticky.08:55
* TwistedLucidity fetches scented poop bag08:55
JamesTaitIt's a stick!08:56
Doin|Lalapopey, ping08:57
Doin|Lalahttps://twitter.com/torproject/status/618303411071655936 no a happy camper08:58
popeyDoin|Lala: pong08:59
Doin|LalaHi popey .. hang on let me get me question , ready ..08:59
Doin|LalaOk, popey, Who was in charge of this team ?09:00
Doin|Lalahttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntutv-ps-team09:00
popeywhy?09:00
Doin|Lala'cos I really wanna know.09:01
popeythat link 404's here09:01
Doin|LalaI know .. but who *was* in charge of that team ? \ould you find out for me, please ?09:02
Doin|LalaeMail follows via pm09:02
Doin|LalaHow do I PM on webchat.freenode.net ?09:03
popeyI don't understand.09:04
Doin|Lala'homey I don't think we're gonna get this done in the next 5 minutes - so I'll go.09:04
Doin|Lalaleaves.09:04
popeyhow odd09:05
TwistedLuciditypopey: I think they wanted to know who used to be on the team, maybe to pick up the project or summat. Probably assumed you had access to super-secret info09:06
popeyI doubt that09:06
popeythey come in here constantly usually leaving a link and leaving09:06
popeyvery odd behaviour09:06
TwistedLucidityOr they have the wrong team name09:07
popeymaybe09:07
TwistedLucidityOr they are...confused as to reality.09:07
TwistedLucidityAhem.09:07
popeydunno, it's impossible to have a conversation with them09:08
popeythey use a different nickname and IP every time they come in here, and leave very promptly, announcing they're leaving, rather than just, you know, leaving09:08
TwistedLucidityThat's because you waited a whole 2 mins to reply. Time is money!09:08
popeyofc09:09
TwistedLucidityWebChat...09:09
popeynot always09:09
popeybbc showing off the microbit09:23
zmoylan-pioooooh, link?09:23
popeyhttps://t.co/UV2Vh7uKDj09:24
popeylive video09:24
popeyvery arduino like09:25
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-3340931109:27
popeysophie is year 7, so she should get one09:27
awilkinsOoh, Offpsring will be year 7 next school year09:27
zmoylan-pithe bbc micro created a computer revolution as it allowed a lot of kids get their hands on an easy to use standard computer.  maybe the microbit can recreate that09:27
awilkinsProblem these days is the environment contains so many other computronic distractions09:28
awilkinsYour attention was focussed on the computer you had in those days, because no Internet, no tablet, no YouTube or Netflix09:29
zmoylan-pibut all those tapes of games...09:29
popeyalso, it booted into a programming language09:29
popeygames weren't free to play09:29
zmoylan-piand most kids only learned load ""09:30
awilkins... unless you had a tape-2-tape deck09:30
zmoylan-pior ability to take 2 cheap headphones apart and make a earphone -> microphone cable09:30
zmoylan-pimy first hack :'-)09:30
awilkinsObservation of Evie is that as soon as she hits a speedbump it's back to watching hairdo[1] videos on YouTube09:31
awilkins[1] insert craze of the moment here09:31
zmoylan-pibefore that it was playing tapedeck in front of microphone with tape deck on cushion to reduce vibration noise09:31
zmoylan-piand at one point hanging microphone from light fitting also to reduce vibration09:32
popeyi remember recording the top 40 like that on a tape deck in front of the radio on a sunday evening09:32
awilkinsHeh, yes09:32
awilkinsI had this ancient condenser mike that I got from my Grandfather09:32
zmoylan-piin some of my earliest copies i can hear traffic and voices in background as game loaded09:32
awilkinsIs that Dara O'HoweverYouSpellIt?09:33
zmoylan-pimy brother made a sound gun from a cheap microphone by hammering aluminium pot into hemisphere.  worked well09:33
zmoylan-piyou can recognise dara o'briain's voice anywhere09:34
bashrc_I'm not sure the bbc micro created a revolution. The more popular micros were ZX Spectrum09:34
awilkinsBBC Micro was the root of the school computer revolution09:35
awilkinsAnd it was intrinsically more hardware-hackable09:35
awilkinsAll those IO ports09:35
zmoylan-pithe zx spectrum was supposed to be the bbc micro.  but the bbc turned a chaotic 8 bit market into a more seriously taken we should teach the kids thing09:35
bashrc_only a minority of geeks had BBC micros at home. At my school in the 1980s nothing of interest was tought with the BBC micro other than wordprocessing09:36
bashrc_basically the teachers just didn't know much to teach09:36
awilkinsAh, we had some interesting stuff going on09:36
awilkinsNo teaching really went on09:36
awilkinsWe just had free reign on the things in breaks09:36
awilkinsSomeone did an implementation of one of those play-by-mail games09:37
zmoylan-pia lot of kids got cheaper c64 or speccie as parents were been told that kids were learning about computers on bbc in school09:37
awilkins"It's a Crime"09:37
bashrc_we really had no free reign over the micros at school. Their use was very regulated09:37
awilkinsWe'd turn in our moves on an app09:37
awilkinsThey'd go in a network share09:37
awilkinsAnd it would batch process them each night09:37
awilkinsI had an Electron (the el-cheapie BBC)09:38
zmoylan-piour school had it's one official from the government apple ii and 6 c64s linked to a floppy drive that the parents managed to pay for09:38
awilkinsMain problem with that was it was half the speed (they used a clever hack to make it cheaper - defect-binned RAM and they split each byte into two pairs of 4 bits...)09:38
zmoylan-pithe c64s were fair game to all the kids as long as no games were been played if teacher walked in09:38
awilkinsAh, I went to a posh private school09:39
awilkinsWe had about 20 or 30 BBC Masters on an Econet when I left09:39
zmoylan-pithe apple ii was verboten except to 1-2 kids who had demonstrated that they had one at home and knew how to use it iirc09:39
awilkinsAnd a someone smaller contingent of Arches09:39
awilkinsWe had 2 or 3 original Macintoshes in the CDT lab09:40
awilkinsMostly got used for playing Crystal Quest09:40
awilkinsAnd NetTrek09:40
zmoylan-pii'd love to make a microbit into an agenda type pda.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwriter#Microwriter_AgendA09:41
JamesTaitDid anyone else play Granny's Garden on the BBC?09:41
awilkinsYes09:42
awilkinsHoly crap, that chordboard cost £400 ?!?!09:42
awilkinsA whole BBC Micro cost that09:42
JamesTaitThat's the only thing I really remember doing on it at school. I learned to program at home with my dad and magazine listings.09:43
awilkinsYeah09:43
awilkinsI used to get my monthly copy of "Electron User"09:43
zmoylan-pieven a mouse back then was serious money :-)09:44
zmoylan-pispending days typing in listings from spectrum mags.  sometimes in hex...09:45
awilkinshttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9458/bitstik1.jpg <<<< Cooool09:45
awilkinsThat was my favourite peripheral09:45
awilkinsi) It came with a vector graphics demo and you could zoom into a parrots eyeball and see the map of the world in it's pupil09:45
awilkinsii) It was great for playing Elite on09:45
zmoylan-pii bought a joystick for my +2 a cheetah.  but i ended up using the keyboard.09:46
awilkinsElite on a keyboard is hard09:47
awilkinsThat was the best thing about that bitstik09:47
awilkinsYou could dock easily because you could hold the right rotation speed for the docking port09:47
awilkinsDoing it on a keyboard involves tippity-tappity09:47
awilkinsAnd prayer, once you get close enough to the docking port that you can't see the edges anymore09:48
awilkinsSince there is no rendered interior as a visual reference09:48
TwistedLucidityVoltmace 4 evah!09:48
TwistedLucidityYou guys should try out Oolite, it's pretty awesome and more mods than you can shake a stick at09:49
awilkinsAlready playing the new shiny official one09:50
zmoylan-pii tried oolite a few years back.  it did look nice but it didn't grab as frontier did09:50
zmoylan-pi*grab me09:50
awilkins"Latest expansions : Extra Thargoids"09:51
awilkinsThere are zero thargoids in the current "Official" elite09:51
zmoylan-pii played frontier for years... did gravity slingshots09:51
awilkinsBut they are coming09:51
awilkinsYeah, Frontier was fun for that kind of thing09:51
awilkinsTerrible for combat09:51
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awilkinsPure Newtonian physics doth not a fun combat game make09:52
TwistedLucidityzmoylan-pi: I really liked it. Frontier was OK, but just didn't have that total awesome-sauce feeling that Elite gave me back in the day.09:52
TwistedLucidityBSG: Diaspora solved that rather well09:52
zmoylan-picombat was fun in frontier.  once i had accumulated enough dosh to have a 100mw beam laser as my *backup* weapon and 20 shield generators.  buy some gold, gems and collect bounties of attackers09:52
awilkinsThat's not "fun"09:52
awilkinsThat's "Wait for people to arrive and whiff them out of existence with your mighty death ray of doom"09:53
zmoylan-pienter system, swarms of ships attacking.  it was fun.09:53
* bashrc_ wonders if uk ubuntu users are all from a certain generation09:53
TwistedLucidityThey had the ships with "special tech" that allowed similar-to-atmo space flight, so combat etc was fun; but the player could disengage that and it would follow a truer Newtonian model.09:53
TwistedLuciditybashrc_: Probably. We grew up having to actuall learn stuff, so like to fiddle. The few generation after us were probably the same. The kids of the lat 90s and 2Ks are technological cretins.09:55
TwistedLucidityAll too easy.09:55
zmoylan-pior time i was landing a huge ship on planet surface and had thruster failure just before landing... mangaged to land it after 5 minutes of frantic reorientation09:55
TwistedLucidityPoint and click, there's your new Facebook game; don't worry about how it works.09:55
TwistedLucidityzmoylan-pi: Sounds like a normal day in Kerbal Space Program....09:55
awilkinsSo many games that just boil down to this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Clicker09:56
awilkinsGames like TIS-1000 are like nerdcrack to our generation09:57
awilkinsMy daughter would probably go "Huh?" and go back to YouTube09:57
TwistedLucidityawilkins: Loads of games seem to be along the "get the gems in a line" type thing (forget the original name). All respins, no originality.09:58
awilkinsAh yes, those too09:58
zmoylan-piwe had lots of those sorts of games in the 80s.  we called them arcade games :-)09:58
TwistedLucidityThis is why I love indy games. They may be weird, they may be short but they are different.09:58
zmoylan-pithen came lemmings...09:58
awilkinsTwistedLucidity, They're trying to win some of the market of Candy Crush Saga09:58
* bashrc_ wonders if uk ubuntu users are all from a certain generation09:58
awilkinsCandy Crush Saga : $962k revenue09:59
awilkinsA DAY09:59
TwistedLucidityawilkins: You don't win by copying, you win by leading.09:59
awilkins$962k a day is beyond the wildest dreams of avarice of old school arcade game makers09:59
TwistedLuciditybashrc_: You needing your pills again?09:59
TwistedLucidity"revenue"09:59
bashrc_hah, got distracted10:00
zmoylan-pihis dried frog pills are in his pocket i think10:00
TwistedLucidityThat's not profit. They prolly spend loads on marketing but yes, there will be some decent coin getting earned there10:00
awilkinsIf you went up to them and went "Hey, in the future, there will be games that earn a third of a billion dollars a year, and even better, people will pay for their own hardware!" they would laugh in your face10:00
zmoylan-pinintendo made serious money on their games despite been much more expensive than 8/16 bit computer games10:01
TwistedLucidityawilkins: "They will also give away all their personal information which you can sell-on." They'd be fetching for the men with the special long-sleeved jacket10:01
bashrc_in the 1980s the software/games industry barely existed, but there was an expectation that it would be much bigger in future10:01
TwistedLucidityzmoylan-pi: Game & Watch! I had a few of those. Shame I didn't keep 'em10:01
awilkinsAnd it's not even the top grossing game...10:01
awilkinsIt's no.310:02
awilkinsClash of Clans is now No.110:02
TwistedLucidityI wish I had talent and skill, then I'd be rich. :-S10:02
awilkins$1.6M a day10:02
TwistedLucidityAs opposed to grumpy & old. :-(10:02
TwistedLucidityawilkins: See that advertised all the time on TV. I'd rather play Populous or similar.10:03
TwistedLucidity0AD!10:03
awilkinsTwistedLucidity : my comments on the MS Hololens presentation was  "If they don't have Peter Molyneux locked in a room developing Populous for Hololens, they're doing it wrong."10:04
TwistedLucidityawilkins: But they have Minecraft10:04
zmoylan-piyeah i had trojan horse.  helicopter rescue and donkey kong 2 screen jobbie.  http://www.todocoleccion.net/trojan-horse-handheld-gakken-lcd-card-game-game-watch~x40897465#sobre_el_lote10:04
awilkinsPopulous for Hololens & Kinect! HURL YOUR OWN FIREBALLS10:04
TwistedLucidityThat gives them the PR leverage, no need to build the userbase for Populous10:04
awilkinsPOINT YOUR FINGER FOR LIGHTNING10:04
awilkinsTrue10:05
TwistedLucidityawilkins: Sweet idea, someone should totally do that10:05
awilkinsMinecraft + Godmod10:05
TwistedLucidityEven if it's just a tech demo.10:05
awilkins(Godmod == populous implemented in minecraft)10:05
awilkins(Doesn't exist yet)10:05
TwistedLucidityUnfortunatley you need proprietary crap and MS would probably sue you.10:05
awilkins(Holy poop that's a winner of an idea)10:05
* TwistedLucidity patents10:05
* TwistedLucidity gets sued by MS10:06
* TwistedLucidity sobs10:06
* awilkins bet that TwistedLucidity would be sued by MS and colelcts10:06
TwistedLucidityMeh, I'd lose all the money in lawyer fees10:06
zmoylan-piif TwistedLucidity wants to colects in private that's their business... :-P10:07
popeyclash of clans is one of those games that becomes a real grind10:18
popeyand building things takes _days_10:18
popeyit also kicks you out periodically so people can attack you (you can't be attacked when in-game)10:18
popeyit also kicks you out if you play for longer than 5 hours10:18
TwistedLuciditypopey: Sounds horrid10:20
TwistedLucidityI like games on my terms10:20
popeyso the only way you can progress is to a) buy jewels, b) wait10:20
cocoa117in cron.conf file, how does the 1-3/5 * * * * work? it runs every first, second, five, 10, 15,  20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 minus of hour/days? is that correct?10:31
popeybrobostigon: https://twitter.com/llamasoft_ox/status/617722840867995648 Jeff Minter made a BBC style watch for pebble :)10:34
brobostigonpopey: cool, :)10:35
MooDoobrobostigon: popey when you turn it on does it say pebble, it really kicks the llamas ass :D10:37
popeyhah10:37
brobostigonlolz.10:37
popeynow, winamp.. thats an idea10:37
MooDoo:)10:37
daftykinsapparently UPSs get quite stroppy when the battery really does die :>10:39
popeyerk10:43
daftykinsi woke up to the unit alarm! fixed tone just going beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep10:44
daftykinsi thought i'd have to go buy a new one from ebuyer for about £130, but i managed to find the exact battery for £50 delivered \o/10:45
TwistedLucidityI know a place where a breaker blew and cut power to the server room.10:46
TwistedLucidityThe UPS alarms went off10:46
TwistedLucidityPeople just closed the doors to cut down the noise10:46
daftykinsXD10:46
TwistedLucidityThen flipped out when they lost Internet....10:46
TwistedLucidityThe people who closed the doors were the junior IT bods....10:47
daftykinsi seem to have received a request to pop by and change someones browser homepage10:47
TwistedLuciditydaftykins: Do it remote, freak them out10:47
TwistedLucidityPage of your choosing10:47
daftykinsonly got RDP access to that one so remoting in would be pretty obvious :>10:47
TwistedLucidityAdmin shares not open? e.g. C$10:48
daftykinswat10:48
TwistedLucidityBy default Windows will share all drives using special "admin" shares10:48
TwistedLucidityAny local or domain admin can hop-on10:48
TwistedLucidityHeck, sometimes you don't even need a password; depending on how things are configured10:49
zmoylan-pimy little ponies home page10:49
TwistedLuciditySo try \\comp-name\c$10:49
daftykinsyes i know all that, why you bring it up though is what is beyond me10:49
TwistedLucidityYou said "RDP", that's a Windows protocol10:49
daftykinscorrect10:49
TwistedLuciditySo I assumed you were running Windows10:49
daftykinsbut accessing a share would require having another host to then get to those shares from ;)10:50
TwistedLucidityHow's about the 'puter you're using right now?10:50
TwistedLucidityJust edit the relevant file, have them re-open the browser.10:50
daftykinsin two different places...10:50
daftykinsyeah that's not an option :)10:51
daftykinsi'm not in an office10:51
TwistedLucidityGot a VPN?10:51
TwistedLucidityThat's what I'm on from home.10:51
daftykinsi appreciate you mean well but were there an easier way i'd know it ;)10:52
TwistedLucidityFor other stuff, I bow before the awesomeness of SSH10:52
daftykinsno Linux endpoints, small biz support means you don't have VPNs for everyone :>10:52
TwistedLucidityThere is an easier way, tell them to not be so damned lazy or send them on a remedial training course.10:52
TwistedLucidityThen sell them a remedial training course...10:53
* TwistedLucidity always looking for the up-sell proposition10:53
daftykins*facepalm*10:53
TwistedLucidityWhen they whinge, explain VPNs. Then sell them OpenVPN support....10:54
TwistedLucidityOr10:54
daftykinsi might have to ignore you in a tick if you don't drop it.10:54
TwistedLuciditySoz10:54
diploAnyone used zfs on their ubuntu boxes ? from the zfs stable ppa ?10:56
bashrc_nope10:58
daftykinsi was under the impression it's supported more properly on other distros or something? bit vague though10:59
bashrc_I think with zfs there's a kernel license incompatability and some hacky workaround11:01
diploYeah bsd is the place to go, but rather keep running linux but I like the idea behind zfs11:01
popeypretty sure they nailed the legal issue in debian now11:02
bashrc_ok11:03
bashrc_zfs is claimed to be the bees knees, but I don't know much about it11:04
diploMe either bashrc_, that's why I'd like to play :)11:21
awilkinsRemote registry access11:22
awilkinsThat's how I'd probably change someone's homepage remotely to freak them out11:22
zmoylan-pitake a pic of them from behind using a camera shooting video as you walk past and change their desktop image to a pic of the back of their head? :-)11:23
popeyhehe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11137311:43
lubotu3Mozilla bug 111373 in XUL "don't allow animated site icons (favicons)" [Enhancement,Reopened]11:43
popey14 years later...11:44
foobarrya HP microserver bug got fixed today11:44
foobarrybug 127432011:44
lubotu3bug 1274320 in grub2 (Debian) "Error: diskfilter writes are not supported" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127432011:44
daftykinshah what a minor issue11:45
foobarryi get that on my HP 54l running ubuntu11:45
daftykins(the favicon one i mean)11:46
popeycant recall the last time i saw an animated favicon11:47
daftykinsindeed11:47
daftykinsand you'd think if some place had some regular site using it and remote boxes, blocking it would be easier11:48
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)13:55
diddledanafternoon folks16:01
daftykinshello sir, how are we?16:01
diddledansleepy :-p16:01
diddledanotherwise good :-p16:02
daftykinsyou've managed to miss peak office hours16:02
daftykinsvewy gewd!16:02
daftykinsbtw i discovered this morning that UPS alarms are effective alarm clocks16:02
diddledanlol16:02
daftykinsi've just got the box powered directly from the mains now :P16:03
diddledanthat's effective use of a UPS then :-D16:03
daftykinswell it's an APC BR800I16:03
daftykinsit's 100% given up on that battery now, can't even trick it16:04
daftykinsso i've had to order a new one16:04
diddledanyeah my UPS battery is nearly knackered, too16:04
diddledanit seems it can last maybe 5 minutes with a computer attached16:04
daftykinsooh-err16:05
diddledanit used to say it can last 20 minutes (it has a readout)16:05
daftykinsi didn't even dare risk a power off of mine XD16:05
diddledanin fact it's saying 15 monutes runtime available right now, but when it actually puts load onto the battery it will no doubt drop that to a couple of minutes16:06
diddledanwow, #ubuntu either hasn't had any questions in the last 5 hours or I've not been connected.16:07
diddledanoh wait16:08
daftykins;D16:08
diddledanthat was #ubuntu-podcast16:08
diddledan:-p16:08
diddledanI suck16:08
* diddledan adjusts the size of the panel16:08
daftykinsdiddledan: £50 anywho for an official new APC battery \o/ so that'll hopefully restore normality16:20
diddledan\o/16:24
dubaco_1hey how to use a Garmin 200 and want to use it with ubuntu - im not a geek16:46
diddledanoh well "not a geek" - that is bad news because we only help geeks </troll>16:48
diddledanin related mumbling, I don't know16:48
dubaco_1diddledan, i hate the technical side of ubuntu i just want it to work16:49
diddledandubaco_1: it _might_ be plug-n-play?16:49
dubaco_1its not16:49
* diddledan grrs at dubaco_1's garmin in the hopes it'll magically work16:49
diddledandid that help ? :-p16:49
diddledandubaco_1: you might find someone in #ubuntu which has a larger population - it's pretty quiet in here right now16:50
diddledanI've never owned a GPS unit so don't really know what plugging-into a pc would normally enable (if it worked)16:51
diddledanso unfortunately I can't be any help :-(16:51
dubaco_1diddledan, the last comment should have been your first. thanks16:52
diddledandubaco_1: I'm the class-clown :-p16:52
diddledanaka troll16:52
diddledanif I don't know the answer I mock16:53
diddledanI do eventually try to help tho16:53
daftykinsare GPS units even cable based or bluetooth o016:54
diddledanunrelated to GPS but a fun read: http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1051730-kill-your-buzzwords16:54
daftykinsoh it's a cycle computer16:57
diddledano_O16:58
daftykinsWindows and mac only software16:59
daftykinsdubaco_1: cycle computer - right?16:59
daftykinshmm rather quiet17:04
dubaco_1yes daftykins  i was eating food. sorry yes its a cycling pc17:12
daftykinsdubaco_1: not gonna happen then, Windows or Mac.17:13
diddledanwhat does plugging a cycle computer actually achieve anywho?17:14
dubaco_1diddledan,  it helps me keep my job17:15
dubaco_1http://paste.ubuntu.com/11836851/ heres the lsusb17:16
diddledannono, I mean what functionality should it provide?17:17
dubaco_1when on or off the bike?17:17
daftykinspretty sure you'd need software to do anything useful with the data17:17
dubaco_1daftykins, www.strava.com17:17
daftykinswhy are you linking me to this?17:17
dubaco_1you can make cycling a game17:18
daftykinsoh you tab complete failed :>17:18
daftykins!tcf17:18
dubaco_1ALL i need is to dl the gps file from the edge 200 to then upload it manualy to strava17:19
dubaco_1@ daftykins17:20
daftykinsso borrow a Windows machine, tbh17:22
daftykinsGarmin is notoriously proprietary stuff, you're going to have a hell of a time if you insist on using Ubuntu17:22
diddledanreally outdated info, but: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12462717:22
daftykinshehe antique ubuntu!17:24
diddledandubaco_1: there are suggestions that the device might be mounted as a filesystem17:28
diddledanbig quote:17:29
dubaco_1diddledan, i saw that17:29
dubaco_1dont know how to mount it17:29
diddledan"I have found that all my Linux systems will mount my Garmin 500 and I can access the device like a USB drive.17:29
diddledanTo import my activities into Strava, I just go to the device and within the Garmin/Activites folder there are all the *.fit files. The file names are in the format YYYY-MM-DD-XX-XX-XX.fit. I just select the file for that particular activity and upload it."17:29
dubaco_1http://paste.ubuntu.com/11836851/ thats my lsusb17:29
diddledandubaco_1: in ubuntu if it's mountable it'll appear in the sidebar/dock17:29
diddledanalternatively in the file explorer17:29
diddledanlooks like openssl are going to drop a new high-severity patch on turdsday18:29
* diddledan wonders how wily wang doodle is doing18:36
diddledanI mean wily warewolf18:36
diddledanwerewolf*18:36
diddledanI suck18:37
knightwiseyeeey :) Mr Robot Episode 2 ! :)18:37
diddledanmr robot?18:37
* diddledan googles18:37
knightwisevery VERY good geek show18:38
diddledanhmm18:38
* diddledan does something secret to make it magically appear18:38
diddledanooh that sounds awesome18:39
diddledanand. christian slater.18:39
daftykins<Archer> just... 'Slater'18:40
knightwiseJust watch the pilot ...18:40
knightwisethe evil ones use KDE :p18:41
diddledanwell I'll be flubbered. two episodes have suddently appeared in my media system18:41
diddledan--t18:41
knightwiseI have no idea how that happened18:41
diddledanme either18:41
knightwisemagical interwebbelz18:41
diddledanit's magic I tell ya18:41
* knightwise thinks diddledan has a magic lamp18:42
diddledanin related news: I want some flubber18:42
knightwise(because he is rubbing stuff all the time behind his computer)18:42
diddledanlol18:42
diddledanspeaking of which, apparently redtube has been serving malware18:42
diddledan(I read about it the other day)18:43
knightwisemallware for the sould ?18:43
knightwisesoul ?18:43
diddledanlol18:43
diddledanyou'd think people that frequent such sites might need some18:43
knightwisedaùn , wish i could get hold of the soundtrack18:43
diddledanI don't know it18:44
diddledandaún (windows doesn't let me do the other u)18:44
diddledanor should that have been "damn"?18:44
diddledansilly fingies?18:44
diddledanooh, hour-long episodes on mr robot?18:46
diddledanthat's 15 more minutes than standard us shows18:46
knightwisewait what ?18:46
knightwisewhere ?18:46
diddledan19:43 <knightwise> daùn , wish i could get hold of the soundtrack18:47
diddledanor 19:46 <diddledan> ooh, hour-long episodes on mr robot?18:47
diddledan??18:47
knightwisehour long18:47
diddledanaah18:48
knightwisediddledan: Link ?18:49
knightwise(in private)18:49
diddledanerm18:49
diddledanI have no idea where it comes from. it just magically appears18:49
knightwisediddledan: of course it did :)18:49
diddledanjust spotted that the first episode was an hour-long when I opened it18:50
knightwiseThats correct , but the second one is only 4518:50
diddledanaah, ok18:50
knightwisei thought you found an ep 2 with one hour18:50
diddledanjust a pilot thing then18:50
knightwisenice map here btw : Real time attacks across the web http://map.norsecorp.com/18:52
diddledanyeah I like that map18:53
diddledanI want to see it when there's actually something serious going-on18:54
diddledaneliot in mr robot is kinda a bit like me only extremified19:06
diddledanI think that's probably what they were trying to achieve19:07
daftykins:D19:07
daftykinssoon there'll be an interview "what i really wanted to do was televise diddledan..."19:07
diddledanlol19:08
diddledan"what's a rootkit?" "it's like a serial rapist with a big thingy"19:13
awilkins_That's a different character!19:40
awilkins_I'm betting a substantial fraction of people in here identify with Elliot, including me19:41
diddledanallo awilkins19:45
awilkins_evnin'19:58
diddledanhmm, episode 2 leaves it rather in-the-air20:41
diddledanthat's a terrible cliff-hanger to leave me on20:41
diddledangotta wait till thursday?20:42
shaunoI didn't think it was much of a cliffhanger tbh20:44
diddledanwell no, more a cliff-fall20:45
shauno:|20:45
diddledanI'm guessing that christian slater is a bad man20:46
diddledanI was hoping he'd be a white-knight posing as a blackhat20:46
shaunohm.  I might have to sleep tonight.  it's shaping up to be a rough week20:50
diddledanoh?20:51
shaunojust way too many hours20:53
shauno5 12-hour shifts, and then 5 days sailing.  and then finally a weekend off20:54
diddledanouch20:55
shaunoyeah. a good plan coming together with lots of scraping and grinding noises :/20:55
diddledanthose noises are you grinding your teeth?20:58
diddledanslowly going insane...20:58
Distrosharermore john_smiths require'd ;-)20:59
DistrosharerFeelin' good at moment      ..21:00
DistrosharerI've just monetised the entire RMS Operating system.21:00
* Distrosharer curls his fingers over and brushes his jacket after 'blowing on fingers' ;)21:01
mapps36c tomorrow21:05
mappsgonna melt21:05
diddledanDistrosharer: perhaps you should call mandriva21:05
Distrosharerdiddledan: How so ?21:06
diddledanDistrosharer: tell them how to monetise their distro21:06
Distrosharerthat's easy .. have you ever heard of the infomercial and DiscWar documentaries ?#21:07
diddledanno21:07
DistrosharerWell, apart from UbuntuMate, which distros have a release video/ infomercial about there product ?21:08
Distrosharer...21:08
Distrosharernone , exactly.21:08
DistrosharerYou have to think QVC meets MSN with monetising Operating systems - Or ppl simply won't 'care' enough to invest whatever spare time they have.21:10
diddledanI'm failing to see how having a video makes people give you money21:10
DistrosharerYou explain the /goodness/ of the OS through a video. More users mean more patreons. More patreons means more moolla for Richard.21:11
diddledanerm21:11
DistrosharerAny way you failed to asked how I've done it with gnewsense ..21:11
diddledan1) linux is created by Linus Torvalds, not Richard Stallman. 2) neither of them care about getting money for their respective softwares21:12
Distrosharergnewsense is pretty much owner by the FSF thou.21:13
Distrosharer*owned21:13
Distrosharer1) gnewsense is pretty much owner by the FSF thou. 2) RMS is practically anti-Capital .. well after tonite .. he'll have to wake up and smell the coffee -> https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/19428990-gnewsense21:15
mappshm21:15
DistrosharerNote that link is 20 minutes old. It didn't exist before Channel 4 news.21:15
mappsyou watched all of csi cyber diddledan?21:15
diddledanmapps: I'm just catching up right now21:15
mappsmany left?:)21:16
diddledanas in it's playing now21:16
Distrosharerback to me pint ....21:16
diddledanI'm on ep6 I think (one of the ones I borrowed off ya)21:16
diddledanlol @ roof-top scene - aiming a gun a guy threatening to jump21:18
diddledan"don't jump, or I'll shoot"21:18
diddledanor "don't kill yourself, or I'll kill you"21:19
mappsheh21:20
diddledanthe accelerometer recreation was pretty unbelievable tho21:21
mappshmm21:25
mappsremind me?21:25
diddledantwo phones. one in the purpetrator's jeans, the other in the victim's dress. using accelerometer logs they created a visualisation of two people having a fight21:26
diddledanincluding arm movements21:26
diddledanand legs21:26
shaunointeresting chap21:29
diddledanweirdo21:29
mappsahhh yea i remember now21:31
awilkins_Hey! £37k to work on a 15-years obsolete web templating language on Windows! http://www.digitalhealth.net/recruitment/item.cfm?id=13299&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter22:03
diddledanawilkins_: I like that this 15year old obsolete tech is classified as "part of an exciting, cutting edge new development programme"22:07
zmoylan-piplease bring your own win3.1 install disks :-)22:08
awilkins_Yeah, I didn't look at that ad and go "OMG they want someone to do scut work fixing bugs in their crappy old web app AT ALL"22:08
diddledanthere's some awesome buzzword bingo in the "Key duties will include" section22:08
awilkins_£37k for a dev with 15 years experience by definition22:08
diddledansuch as "Assisting in the translation of functional requirements into technical specifications"22:08
awilkins_I tweeted them back and wished them luck22:09
zmoylan-pitea maker/sandwich fetcher?22:09
vetman3309feds?22:10
awilkins_UK NHS22:10
awilkins_So, kinda feds22:10
awilkins_Healthcare IT is a rotting cesspool of ancient tat22:10
awilkins_Because in healthcare, people are incredibly risk averse22:10
diddledanawilkins_: and new tat built on top of the ancient tat22:10
awilkins_THey dare not change anything, because it might change stuff22:10
vetman3309paha22:11
shaunoI'm annoyed enough that I'm not allowed to do anything that won't work on IE822:11
diddledanshauno: I get that22:11
zmoylan-pinowt wrong with ancient stuff.  usually it's debugged.  usually22:11
* awilkins_ looks incredulous22:11
diddledanshauno: government often insists on that for any sites we make for them, even if it's supposed to be a public site rather than internal one22:12
zmoylan-pi_or_ the bugs are well known and workarounds exist22:12
diddledanzmoylan-pi: _or_ the bugs are well known and explotable22:12
diddledanexploitable*22:12
diddledane.g. winxp22:12
zmoylan-pior explodable :-)22:12
shaunoit bugs me no end.  the only groups still using IE8 are only allowed to us it for internal tools that require it22:12
vetman3309fancy fixing universal dowl site xD22:13
diddledanuniversal dowl?22:13
vetman3309jsa one22:13
diddledanthat's wood that can be used for everything?22:13
vetman3309lol i forget that not everyone speaks northern22:14
awilkins_vetman3309, Hah, I had an approach from a guy on linkedin to work for the DWP22:14
vetman3309xD please!22:14
awilkins_I restrained myself from spitting in his virtual eye, just barely22:14
awilkins_I was in two minds, briefly22:15
awilkins_At first I thought "Hey, maybe I can make things better from the inside"22:15
awilkins_THen I thought "Hah, since when did THAT ever work out?"22:15
diddledanawilkins: I'm assuming that's two-minds whether to spit or ignore? rather than take the job vs not take the job.22:15
diddledanawilkins, steven elop?22:16
awilkins_"better"?22:16
diddledanwell he did make it better. after he made it much worse22:16
diddledanI mean once he'd finished with the making it worse, even microsoft is better22:17
vetman3309wow!22:17
awilkins_Meh. Anyway, I'm not working for the DWP. Public service agencies with a brief to make things worse for the vulnerable can sod off. I'd be miserable.22:18
zmoylan-pimicrosoft is better?  how? less sweaty since ballmer left?22:18
diddledanzmoylan-pi: micrsoft was "better than nokia could ever be again" once elop was done22:18
diddledanawilkins: they might have hired you and then made you redundant due to cost saving measures22:19
zmoylan-piwell nokia is not done.  it stopped.  it could chose to start again with clean slate22:19
diddledanawilkins: obviously as part of cost saving they include nice redundancy packages22:19
awilkins_diddledan, Permie jobs in gov depts. are actually really hard to lose22:19
awilkins_But yes, they pay good redundancy22:20
vetman3309daamn i need to learn computer wizardry22:20
diddledanthis is why the bbc gets moaned at for golden handshakes - they believe they're government controlled22:20
* diddledan hands vetman3309 a lump of wood from diagon alley22:21
awilkins_vetman3309, computer wizardry does pay pretty well22:21
awilkins_On the other hand, it is like learning wizardry - lots of evenings spent in poring over dark grimoires22:21
awilkins_Learning utterance in arcane tongues and the Names of Unspeakable Daemons22:21
zmoylan-piand meetings...22:22
diddledandon't you hate how plex doesn't tell you what movie/tv-show the image it's displaying as it's background comes from?22:22
zmoylan-piwith the 3 dots and everything...22:22
diddledanawilkins, that sounds decidedly like management, too22:22
awilkins_diddledan, with computer wizardry, when you give orders, they are generally followed to the letter22:23
zmoylan-piawilkins_ is not familiar with visual basic then? :-)22:23
diddledan"we need to leverage our synergy to capitalise on the business opportunity presented by the ongoing business processes"22:23
diddledanzmoylan-pi: that's voodoo22:24
awilkins_zmoylan-pi, I can make VB6 do things that transcend it's meagre begginings22:24
zmoylan-pichickens were sacrificed true enough...22:24
awilkins_I can make VB6 go faster than VB622:24
zmoylan-pii made vb apps that ran for months without crashing.22:24
vetman3309how would one go about learning the magiks?22:24
diddledanI still think it's hilarious that I thought I was clever by making a VB6 CGI framework (common gateway interface, not computer generated imagery)22:25
zmoylan-pibut i always considered it suggesting rather than programming22:25
awilkins_I've written VB6 programs longer than 500 lines that worked perfectly first time22:25
awilkins_vetman3309, If you're serious... well, there are lots of pages about that22:25
diddledanyou should google something on bing.com22:25
awilkins_This one's a classic : http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html22:25
diddledangotta love eric raymond22:26
zmoylan-pityping google into bing... doesn't that break the internet?  maybe i should ask siri about that...22:26
awilkins_Yeah. Because if you don't he sure has enough guns to shoot you.22:26
vetman3309i remember reading AC by the jolly roger and it giving you tips for dial up the various boxes but never actual wizardry22:27
diddledanzmoylan-pi: when you want to search for something on the internets you go to bing.com and type google.com and click the first link, then you type your search into the box and click "I'm feeling lucky"22:27
awilkins_This is REAL wizardry, the likes of which mere mortals cannot hope to replicate these days : http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html22:27
zmoylan-piwhen i first read the story of mel in the 90s i wondered if it were possible to do the loop without a test trick in vb.  took me ages years later to debug that program as i didn't leave a comment :-)22:28
diddledanomg I was only 17 when that was written (give or take two months)22:29
diddledan(17 days)22:29
awilkins_I was 922:30
zmoylan-pii was 1222:30
awilkins_Wow, a channel I'm YOUNG in22:30
diddledan17 days is ancient22:30
zmoylan-piit would be 3 years before i got my first computer a zx +222:30
zmoylan-piwell it's 2330, all the kids are in bed22:31
diddledanwhy is it that whenever someone twits something wrongly or abusively they claim they were hacked as the first response when called-out?22:49
diddledanthe latest being a bbc reported twatting that the queen died22:50
diddledanreporter**22:50
zmoylan-pibecause people who are clueless think that covers their mistake22:52
diddledanhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/07/queens-death-tweet-bbc-reporter_n_7746674.html22:52
diddledanreally?22:52
diddledanthey think lying absolves them of wrongdoing?22:53
zmoylan-pinear as i can figure.  i try not to think down to that level of dumb as it hurts my brain22:53
zmoylan-piit's like in tech support you ask what they did and they deny everything22:53
diddledan"OMG it's works now! what did you do?" "oh, nothing really"22:54
zmoylan-pii often didn't mind people breaking things if they told me what they did as it speeded up fixing it.  and they often learned not to do it again22:54
diddledanoh, you're talking from the engineer's perspective22:54
diddledanI was thinking you were talking to support and they denied everything22:55
zmoylan-pii think the i was hacked excuse is just the modern equivalent of i did nothing22:55
zmoylan-pioh i had tech support deny everything too...22:55
diddledanthat and "commies" or "china" or "russkies"22:55
diddledanor north korea for releasing a movie late22:56
zmoylan-pii had a customer getting out of memory error on windows 3.1.  it was a while ago :-) so i rang ms. i was young/dumb.22:56
diddledan"we made a movie but you can't watch it because OMG INTERNATIONAL CRISIS"22:56
diddledanwhat was the problem?22:57
zmoylan-pii told them i was running windows in enhanced mode on a ibm ps/2 286 using a qram above board that gave it enhanced extra memory.22:57
zmoylan-piand ms told me i wasn't22:57
diddledanhmm22:57
diddledanclever how they can know so absolutely what you're doing22:58
zmoylan-piand that was it, they would not belive a 286 could run windows in enhanced mode.  it had to be a 386 or better22:58
diddledanthat engineer needs retraining22:58
zmoylan-pinever mind the memory card cost more than the computer which was silly expensive22:58
diddledanbad etiquette to outright call your customer a lyer22:58
diddledanlier*22:59
zmoylan-pii thought it prudent not to mention it was also running novell server at the same time :-)22:59
diddledanlol22:59
zmoylan-piin the end once i disabled a graphic driver option it started working ok22:59
diddledannovell. that's one OS I've not had the chance to play with22:59
diddledanlol23:00
diddledannew gfx card?23:00
zmoylan-pibut i only rang ms once after that when i was ordered too.  useless then too23:00
zmoylan-piit had an option to do 65000 colour depth.  once i switched it to 256 it was grand23:00
diddledanI've phoned microsoft many many times. to get the damned thing to believe I am not a hacker/pirate23:00
shaunoI've never phoned microsoft :)23:02
zmoylan-pilast time it was to report a bug in qbx that effected using a modem in basic.  they told me there was no bug.  i found out 10 years later there was a patch available at the time to fix the problem.  but they didn't want so send patches to ireland.  i could hit ms building in ireland from my window at work.  don't ask how i know that :-D23:02
diddledanshauno: you use a mac23:02
diddledanI've submitted over 30 feedback items for win1023:02
* diddledan goes to find the exact number23:03
diddledan37 feedbacks by me. on which I've had 54 "upvotes" aka "likes"23:03
diddledanwhy do the papers think it's important to share pictures of the dutchess of cornwall's "marylin munro dress mishap"23:28
shaunoyou buy papers?23:28
shaunoor do you just eat a lot of fish&chips23:28
diddledannono, online papers23:28
diddledanit's actually ITN in this case which I guess isn't really a paper, but a tv channel23:29
zmoylan-pirome had bread and circuses, britain has dole and the royal family.23:30
diddledanand apparently bill cosby raped women23:30
diddledanhttp://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-he-got-drugs-to-give-women-for-sex/ar-AAcEely?ocid=spartanntp23:31
zmoylan-pinot proven. highly suspicious but still not a conviction23:31
diddledanit's msn, I know23:31
zmoylan-pithere's a trend these days for mob justice online that will not end well23:32
diddledanI say we should round up a group of people to bring down these mobs23:37
* zmoylan-pi bagsies franchise on pitchforks...23:39
shaunohm.  I should be up at 5.  but I just watched the wrath of khan, and don't think I can go to sleep in good conscience without watching the search for spock first23:40
diddledanlol23:42
diddledanzmoylan-pi: don't forget fire23:43

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