[06:27] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:02] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <DearAllkins> Question: Does anyone know how to topUP an 'E E' mobile phone sim card ? . Sorry for the question , but I'm abit of a fuddy-duddy . You do have those on here - don't you ?
[07:21] <DearAllkins> no response - I guess I am the only FUDDYDUDDY on here then :/
[07:21] <DearAllkins> leaving
[07:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15]  * brobostigon is thinking about android wear, as upgrade from his pebble.
[08:15] <brobostigon> for his birthday
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: Meh, being tracked by the smartphone is bad enough IMHO.
[08:18] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: my pebble tracks me as well, i have a tracker on there as well, to monitor my distence etc.
[08:19] <TwistedLucidity> Tracking for personal knowledge/interest is one thing. Being tracked by a third party is quite another.
[08:22] <brobostigon> good point, when i installed CM, i didnt have to install gapps,
[08:22] <TwistedLucidity> I wish I could install CM. Next phone will be rootable.
[08:23] <TwistedLucidity> Well, the phone is rootable; there's just no alternative ROM out there.
[08:23] <brobostigon> your phone doesnt have to be rootable to install cm, you just have to be able to unlock the bootloader and install cwm for example.
[08:23] <TwistedLucidity> It's not available for my phone.
[08:24] <brobostigon> have you had a look on xda? there are roms for many different phones.
[08:24] <TwistedLucidity> Yes. It simply is not available.
[08:25] <brobostigon> may i ask what the phone is, please.
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> Or the ones that are happen to be part-baked alphas
[08:25] <foobarry> someone cannot ssh to server, is it poosible to check the encrpytion and bits level used if i only have the pub key?
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> It's an HTC Desire X. There's loads of re-skin stuff, just not "proper" Android replacement.
[08:26] <brobostigon> if there are alphas, that means it is being worked on, and it is possible.
[08:26] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: It's also a crap phone. Won't be touching HTC again.
[08:27] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: ah oh dear, the only htc i have had was the htc dream.
[08:28] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: There's just so much installable junk, their "Sense" UI gets in the way and they provide no updates. Never again.
[08:28] <foobarry> ssh-keygen -lf authorized_keys
[08:28] <foobarry> got it
[08:28]  * bashrc_ is currently running the latest CM on a phone
[08:29]  * TwistedLucidity gives bashrc_ the evil eye
[08:29] <bashrc_> I'd like to use UbuntuTouch, but I just don't think the apps are quite there yet
[08:30] <brobostigon> TwistedLucidity: ah i see, i can imagine, this is why a couple of months ago when my parents wanted a new phone i sugegsted either the moto E/G, as its basiclly stock android, with no crapware.
[08:31] <brobostigon> bashrc_: i am running cm12.1 nightly from yesterday.
[08:31] <bashrc_> yes me also
[08:31] <brobostigon> :)
[08:31] <bashrc_> it runs pretty well
[08:31] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc_: That's heresey here! :-)
[08:32] <brobostigon> i ahree, what do you think of the new app menu?
[08:32] <bashrc_> not sure I've seen it
[08:32] <diplo> Keep debating rooting/romming my G2
[08:33] <brobostigon> bashrc_: do you use trebuchet?
[08:33] <bashrc_> no
[08:33] <brobostigon> thats why then.
[08:33] <bashrc_> what is it?
[08:34] <brobostigon> its cm's launcher, they designed themselves.
[08:34] <brobostigon> its there as standard.
[08:34] <bashrc_> ok, maybe I do use it then
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Day! 😃
[08:51] <Cha|Swan> popey ping
[08:52] <Cha|Swan> Oh wat day is it today JamesTait ?
[08:52] <JamesTait> Cha|Swan, today is Chocolate Day!
[08:53] <JamesTait> And something about forgiveness, which may or may not be related.
[08:54]  * TwistedLucidity demand chocolate from JamesTait before he forgives him
[08:55]  * JamesTait gives TwistedLucidity something brown and sticky.
[08:55]  * TwistedLucidity fetches scented poop bag
[08:56] <JamesTait> It's a stick!
[08:57] <Doin|Lala> popey, ping
[08:58] <Doin|Lala> https://twitter.com/torproject/status/618303411071655936 no a happy camper
[08:59] <popey> Doin|Lala: pong
[08:59] <Doin|Lala> Hi popey .. hang on let me get me question , ready ..
[09:00] <Doin|Lala> Ok, popey, Who was in charge of this team ?
[09:00] <Doin|Lala> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntutv-ps-team
[09:00] <popey> why?
[09:01] <Doin|Lala> 'cos I really wanna know.
[09:01] <popey> that link 404's here
[09:02] <Doin|Lala> I know .. but who *was* in charge of that team ? \ould you find out for me, please ?
[09:02] <Doin|Lala> eMail follows via pm
[09:03] <Doin|Lala> How do I PM on webchat.freenode.net ?
[09:04] <popey> I don't understand.
[09:04] <Doin|Lala> 'homey I don't think we're gonna get this done in the next 5 minutes - so I'll go.
[09:04] <Doin|Lala> leaves.
[09:05] <popey> how odd
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> popey: I think they wanted to know who used to be on the team, maybe to pick up the project or summat. Probably assumed you had access to super-secret info
[09:06] <popey> I doubt that
[09:06] <popey> they come in here constantly usually leaving a link and leaving
[09:06] <popey> very odd behaviour
[09:07] <TwistedLucidity> Or they have the wrong team name
[09:07] <popey> maybe
[09:07] <TwistedLucidity> Or they are...confused as to reality.
[09:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ahem.
[09:08] <popey> dunno, it's impossible to have a conversation with them
[09:08] <popey> they use a different nickname and IP every time they come in here, and leave very promptly, announcing they're leaving, rather than just, you know, leaving
[09:08] <TwistedLucidity> That's because you waited a whole 2 mins to reply. Time is money!
[09:09] <popey> ofc
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> WebChat...
[09:09] <popey> not always
[09:23] <popey> bbc showing off the microbit
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh, link?
[09:24] <popey> https://t.co/UV2Vh7uKDj
[09:24] <popey> live video
[09:25] <popey> very arduino like
[09:27] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33409311
[09:27] <popey> sophie is year 7, so she should get one
[09:27] <awilkins> Ooh, Offpsring will be year 7 next school year
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> the bbc micro created a computer revolution as it allowed a lot of kids get their hands on an easy to use standard computer.  maybe the microbit can recreate that
[09:28] <awilkins> Problem these days is the environment contains so many other computronic distractions
[09:29] <awilkins> Your attention was focussed on the computer you had in those days, because no Internet, no tablet, no YouTube or Netflix
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> but all those tapes of games...
[09:29] <popey> also, it booted into a programming language
[09:29] <popey> games weren't free to play
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> and most kids only learned load ""
[09:30] <awilkins> ... unless you had a tape-2-tape deck
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> or ability to take 2 cheap headphones apart and make a earphone -> microphone cable
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> my first hack :'-)
[09:31] <awilkins> Observation of Evie is that as soon as she hits a speedbump it's back to watching hairdo[1] videos on YouTube
[09:31] <awilkins> [1] insert craze of the moment here
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> before that it was playing tapedeck in front of microphone with tape deck on cushion to reduce vibration noise
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> and at one point hanging microphone from light fitting also to reduce vibration
[09:32] <popey> i remember recording the top 40 like that on a tape deck in front of the radio on a sunday evening
[09:32] <awilkins> Heh, yes
[09:32] <awilkins> I had this ancient condenser mike that I got from my Grandfather
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> in some of my earliest copies i can hear traffic and voices in background as game loaded
[09:33] <awilkins> Is that Dara O'HoweverYouSpellIt?
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> my brother made a sound gun from a cheap microphone by hammering aluminium pot into hemisphere.  worked well
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> you can recognise dara o'briain's voice anywhere
[09:34] <bashrc_> I'm not sure the bbc micro created a revolution. The more popular micros were ZX Spectrum
[09:35] <awilkins> BBC Micro was the root of the school computer revolution
[09:35] <awilkins> And it was intrinsically more hardware-hackable
[09:35] <awilkins> All those IO ports
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> the zx spectrum was supposed to be the bbc micro.  but the bbc turned a chaotic 8 bit market into a more seriously taken we should teach the kids thing
[09:36] <bashrc_> only a minority of geeks had BBC micros at home. At my school in the 1980s nothing of interest was tought with the BBC micro other than wordprocessing
[09:36] <bashrc_> basically the teachers just didn't know much to teach
[09:36] <awilkins> Ah, we had some interesting stuff going on
[09:36] <awilkins> No teaching really went on
[09:36] <awilkins> We just had free reign on the things in breaks
[09:37] <awilkins> Someone did an implementation of one of those play-by-mail games
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of kids got cheaper c64 or speccie as parents were been told that kids were learning about computers on bbc in school
[09:37] <awilkins> "It's a Crime"
[09:37] <bashrc_> we really had no free reign over the micros at school. Their use was very regulated
[09:37] <awilkins> We'd turn in our moves on an app
[09:37] <awilkins> They'd go in a network share
[09:37] <awilkins> And it would batch process them each night
[09:38] <awilkins> I had an Electron (the el-cheapie BBC)
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> our school had it's one official from the government apple ii and 6 c64s linked to a floppy drive that the parents managed to pay for
[09:38] <awilkins> Main problem with that was it was half the speed (they used a clever hack to make it cheaper - defect-binned RAM and they split each byte into two pairs of 4 bits...)
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> the c64s were fair game to all the kids as long as no games were been played if teacher walked in
[09:39] <awilkins> Ah, I went to a posh private school
[09:39] <awilkins> We had about 20 or 30 BBC Masters on an Econet when I left
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> the apple ii was verboten except to 1-2 kids who had demonstrated that they had one at home and knew how to use it iirc
[09:39] <awilkins> And a someone smaller contingent of Arches
[09:40] <awilkins> We had 2 or 3 original Macintoshes in the CDT lab
[09:40] <awilkins> Mostly got used for playing Crystal Quest
[09:40] <awilkins> And NetTrek
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> i'd love to make a microbit into an agenda type pda.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwriter#Microwriter_AgendA
[09:41] <JamesTait> Did anyone else play Granny's Garden on the BBC?
[09:42] <awilkins> Yes
[09:42] <awilkins> Holy crap, that chordboard cost £400 ?!?!
[09:42] <awilkins> A whole BBC Micro cost that
[09:43] <JamesTait> That's the only thing I really remember doing on it at school. I learned to program at home with my dad and magazine listings.
[09:43] <awilkins> Yeah
[09:43] <awilkins> I used to get my monthly copy of "Electron User"
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> even a mouse back then was serious money :-)
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> spending days typing in listings from spectrum mags.  sometimes in hex...
[09:45] <awilkins> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9458/bitstik1.jpg <<<< Cooool
[09:45] <awilkins> That was my favourite peripheral
[09:45] <awilkins> i) It came with a vector graphics demo and you could zoom into a parrots eyeball and see the map of the world in it's pupil
[09:45] <awilkins> ii) It was great for playing Elite on
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> i bought a joystick for my +2 a cheetah.  but i ended up using the keyboard.
[09:47] <awilkins> Elite on a keyboard is hard
[09:47] <awilkins> That was the best thing about that bitstik
[09:47] <awilkins> You could dock easily because you could hold the right rotation speed for the docking port
[09:47] <awilkins> Doing it on a keyboard involves tippity-tappity
[09:48] <awilkins> And prayer, once you get close enough to the docking port that you can't see the edges anymore
[09:48] <awilkins> Since there is no rendered interior as a visual reference
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> Voltmace 4 evah!
[09:49] <TwistedLucidity> You guys should try out Oolite, it's pretty awesome and more mods than you can shake a stick at
[09:50] <awilkins> Already playing the new shiny official one
[09:50] <zmoylan-pi> i tried oolite a few years back.  it did look nice but it didn't grab as frontier did
[09:50] <zmoylan-pi> *grab me
[09:51] <awilkins> "Latest expansions : Extra Thargoids"
[09:51] <awilkins> There are zero thargoids in the current "Official" elite
[09:51] <zmoylan-pi> i played frontier for years... did gravity slingshots
[09:51] <awilkins> But they are coming
[09:51] <awilkins> Yeah, Frontier was fun for that kind of thing
[09:51] <awilkins> Terrible for combat
[09:52] <awilkins> Pure Newtonian physics doth not a fun combat game make
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: I really liked it. Frontier was OK, but just didn't have that total awesome-sauce feeling that Elite gave me back in the day.
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> BSG: Diaspora solved that rather well
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> combat was fun in frontier.  once i had accumulated enough dosh to have a 100mw beam laser as my *backup* weapon and 20 shield generators.  buy some gold, gems and collect bounties of attackers
[09:52] <awilkins> That's not "fun"
[09:53] <awilkins> That's "Wait for people to arrive and whiff them out of existence with your mighty death ray of doom"
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> enter system, swarms of ships attacking.  it was fun.
[09:53]  * bashrc_ wonders if uk ubuntu users are all from a certain generation
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> They had the ships with "special tech" that allowed similar-to-atmo space flight, so combat etc was fun; but the player could disengage that and it would follow a truer Newtonian model.
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc_: Probably. We grew up having to actuall learn stuff, so like to fiddle. The few generation after us were probably the same. The kids of the lat 90s and 2Ks are technological cretins.
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> All too easy.
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> or time i was landing a huge ship on planet surface and had thruster failure just before landing... mangaged to land it after 5 minutes of frantic reorientation
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> Point and click, there's your new Facebook game; don't worry about how it works.
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Sounds like a normal day in Kerbal Space Program....
[09:56] <awilkins> So many games that just boil down to this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Clicker
[09:57] <awilkins> Games like TIS-1000 are like nerdcrack to our generation
[09:57] <awilkins> My daughter would probably go "Huh?" and go back to YouTube
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Loads of games seem to be along the "get the gems in a line" type thing (forget the original name). All respins, no originality.
[09:58] <awilkins> Ah yes, those too
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> we had lots of those sorts of games in the 80s.  we called them arcade games :-)
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> This is why I love indy games. They may be weird, they may be short but they are different.
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> then came lemmings...
[09:58] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, They're trying to win some of the market of Candy Crush Saga
[09:58]  * bashrc_ wonders if uk ubuntu users are all from a certain generation
[09:59] <awilkins> Candy Crush Saga : $962k revenue
[09:59] <awilkins> A DAY
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: You don't win by copying, you win by leading.
[09:59] <awilkins> $962k a day is beyond the wildest dreams of avarice of old school arcade game makers
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc_: You needing your pills again?
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> "revenue"
[10:00] <bashrc_> hah, got distracted
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> his dried frog pills are in his pocket i think
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> That's not profit. They prolly spend loads on marketing but yes, there will be some decent coin getting earned there
[10:00] <awilkins> If you went up to them and went "Hey, in the future, there will be games that earn a third of a billion dollars a year, and even better, people will pay for their own hardware!" they would laugh in your face
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> nintendo made serious money on their games despite been much more expensive than 8/16 bit computer games
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: "They will also give away all their personal information which you can sell-on." They'd be fetching for the men with the special long-sleeved jacket
[10:01] <bashrc_> in the 1980s the software/games industry barely existed, but there was an expectation that it would be much bigger in future
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Game & Watch! I had a few of those. Shame I didn't keep 'em
[10:01] <awilkins> And it's not even the top grossing game...
[10:02] <awilkins> It's no.3
[10:02] <awilkins> Clash of Clans is now No.1
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> I wish I had talent and skill, then I'd be rich. :-S
[10:02] <awilkins> $1.6M a day
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> As opposed to grumpy & old. :-(
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: See that advertised all the time on TV. I'd rather play Populous or similar.
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> 0AD!
[10:04] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity : my comments on the MS Hololens presentation was  "If they don't have Peter Molyneux locked in a room developing Populous for Hololens, they're doing it wrong."
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: But they have Minecraft
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah i had trojan horse.  helicopter rescue and donkey kong 2 screen jobbie.  http://www.todocoleccion.net/trojan-horse-handheld-gakken-lcd-card-game-game-watch~x40897465#sobre_el_lote
[10:04] <awilkins> Populous for Hololens & Kinect! HURL YOUR OWN FIREBALLS
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> That gives them the PR leverage, no need to build the userbase for Populous
[10:04] <awilkins> POINT YOUR FINGER FOR LIGHTNING
[10:05] <awilkins> True
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Sweet idea, someone should totally do that
[10:05] <awilkins> Minecraft + Godmod
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> Even if it's just a tech demo.
[10:05] <awilkins> (Godmod == populous implemented in minecraft)
[10:05] <awilkins> (Doesn't exist yet)
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> Unfortunatley you need proprietary crap and MS would probably sue you.
[10:05] <awilkins> (Holy poop that's a winner of an idea)
[10:05]  * TwistedLucidity patents
[10:06]  * TwistedLucidity gets sued by MS
[10:06]  * TwistedLucidity sobs
[10:06]  * awilkins bet that TwistedLucidity would be sued by MS and colelcts
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> Meh, I'd lose all the money in lawyer fees
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> if TwistedLucidity wants to colects in private that's their business... :-P
[10:18] <popey> clash of clans is one of those games that becomes a real grind
[10:18] <popey> and building things takes _days_
[10:18] <popey> it also kicks you out periodically so people can attack you (you can't be attacked when in-game)
[10:18] <popey> it also kicks you out if you play for longer than 5 hours
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Sounds horrid
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> I like games on my terms
[10:20] <popey> so the only way you can progress is to a) buy jewels, b) wait
[10:31] <cocoa117> in cron.conf file, how does the 1-3/5 * * * * work? it runs every first, second, five, 10, 15,  20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 minus of hour/days? is that correct?
[10:34] <popey> brobostigon: https://twitter.com/llamasoft_ox/status/617722840867995648 Jeff Minter made a BBC style watch for pebble :)
[10:35] <brobostigon> popey: cool, :)
[10:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: popey when you turn it on does it say pebble, it really kicks the llamas ass :D
[10:37] <popey> hah
[10:37] <brobostigon> lolz.
[10:37] <popey> now, winamp.. thats an idea
[10:37] <MooDoo> :)
[10:39] <daftykins> apparently UPSs get quite stroppy when the battery really does die :>
[10:43] <popey> erk
[10:44] <daftykins> i woke up to the unit alarm! fixed tone just going beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[10:45] <daftykins> i thought i'd have to go buy a new one from ebuyer for about £130, but i managed to find the exact battery for £50 delivered \o/
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> I know a place where a breaker blew and cut power to the server room.
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> The UPS alarms went off
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> People just closed the doors to cut down the noise
[10:46] <daftykins> XD
[10:46] <TwistedLucidity> Then flipped out when they lost Internet....
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> The people who closed the doors were the junior IT bods....
[10:47] <daftykins> i seem to have received a request to pop by and change someones browser homepage
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: Do it remote, freak them out
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> Page of your choosing
[10:47] <daftykins> only got RDP access to that one so remoting in would be pretty obvious :>
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> Admin shares not open? e.g. C$
[10:48] <daftykins> wat
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> By default Windows will share all drives using special "admin" shares
[10:48] <TwistedLucidity> Any local or domain admin can hop-on
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> Heck, sometimes you don't even need a password; depending on how things are configured
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> my little ponies home page
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> So try \\comp-name\c$
[10:49] <daftykins> yes i know all that, why you bring it up though is what is beyond me
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> You said "RDP", that's a Windows protocol
[10:49] <daftykins> correct
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> So I assumed you were running Windows
[10:50] <daftykins> but accessing a share would require having another host to then get to those shares from ;)
[10:50] <TwistedLucidity> How's about the 'puter you're using right now?
[10:50] <TwistedLucidity> Just edit the relevant file, have them re-open the browser.
[10:50] <daftykins> in two different places...
[10:51] <daftykins> yeah that's not an option :)
[10:51] <daftykins> i'm not in an office
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> Got a VPN?
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> That's what I'm on from home.
[10:52] <daftykins> i appreciate you mean well but were there an easier way i'd know it ;)
[10:52] <TwistedLucidity> For other stuff, I bow before the awesomeness of SSH
[10:52] <daftykins> no Linux endpoints, small biz support means you don't have VPNs for everyone :>
[10:52] <TwistedLucidity> There is an easier way, tell them to not be so damned lazy or send them on a remedial training course.
[10:53] <TwistedLucidity> Then sell them a remedial training course...
[10:53]  * TwistedLucidity always looking for the up-sell proposition
[10:53] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> When they whinge, explain VPNs. Then sell them OpenVPN support....
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> Or
[10:54] <daftykins> i might have to ignore you in a tick if you don't drop it.
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> Soz
[10:56] <diplo> Anyone used zfs on their ubuntu boxes ? from the zfs stable ppa ?
[10:58] <bashrc_> nope
[10:59] <daftykins> i was under the impression it's supported more properly on other distros or something? bit vague though
[11:01] <bashrc_> I think with zfs there's a kernel license incompatability and some hacky workaround
[11:01] <diplo> Yeah bsd is the place to go, but rather keep running linux but I like the idea behind zfs
[11:02] <popey> pretty sure they nailed the legal issue in debian now
[11:03] <bashrc_> ok
[11:04] <bashrc_> zfs is claimed to be the bees knees, but I don't know much about it
[11:21] <diplo> Me either bashrc_, that's why I'd like to play :)
[11:22] <awilkins> Remote registry access
[11:22] <awilkins> That's how I'd probably change someone's homepage remotely to freak them out
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> take a pic of them from behind using a camera shooting video as you walk past and change their desktop image to a pic of the back of their head? :-)
[11:43] <popey> hehe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111373
[11:44] <popey> 14 years later...
[11:44] <foobarry> a HP microserver bug got fixed today
[11:44] <foobarry> bug 1274320
[11:45] <daftykins> hah what a minor issue
[11:45] <foobarry> i get that on my HP 54l running ubuntu
[11:46] <daftykins> (the favicon one i mean)
[11:47] <popey> cant recall the last time i saw an animated favicon
[11:47] <daftykins> indeed
[11:48] <daftykins> and you'd think if some place had some regular site using it and remote boxes, blocking it would be easier
[13:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:01] <diddledan> afternoon folks
[16:01] <daftykins> hello sir, how are we?
[16:01] <diddledan> sleepy :-p
[16:02] <diddledan> otherwise good :-p
[16:02] <daftykins> you've managed to miss peak office hours
[16:02] <daftykins> vewy gewd!
[16:02] <daftykins> btw i discovered this morning that UPS alarms are effective alarm clocks
[16:02] <diddledan> lol
[16:03] <daftykins> i've just got the box powered directly from the mains now :P
[16:03] <diddledan> that's effective use of a UPS then :-D
[16:03] <daftykins> well it's an APC BR800I
[16:04] <daftykins> it's 100% given up on that battery now, can't even trick it
[16:04] <daftykins> so i've had to order a new one
[16:04] <diddledan> yeah my UPS battery is nearly knackered, too
[16:04] <diddledan> it seems it can last maybe 5 minutes with a computer attached
[16:05] <daftykins> ooh-err
[16:05] <diddledan> it used to say it can last 20 minutes (it has a readout)
[16:05] <daftykins> i didn't even dare risk a power off of mine XD
[16:06] <diddledan> in fact it's saying 15 monutes runtime available right now, but when it actually puts load onto the battery it will no doubt drop that to a couple of minutes
[16:07] <diddledan> wow, #ubuntu either hasn't had any questions in the last 5 hours or I've not been connected.
[16:08] <diddledan> oh wait
[16:08] <daftykins> ;D
[16:08] <diddledan> that was #ubuntu-podcast
[16:08] <diddledan> :-p
[16:08] <diddledan> I suck
[16:08]  * diddledan adjusts the size of the panel
[16:20] <daftykins> diddledan: £50 anywho for an official new APC battery \o/ so that'll hopefully restore normality
[16:24] <diddledan> \o/
[16:46] <dubaco_1> hey how to use a Garmin 200 and want to use it with ubuntu - im not a geek
[16:48] <diddledan> oh well "not a geek" - that is bad news because we only help geeks </troll>
[16:48] <diddledan> in related mumbling, I don't know
[16:49] <dubaco_1> diddledan, i hate the technical side of ubuntu i just want it to work
[16:49] <diddledan> dubaco_1: it _might_ be plug-n-play?
[16:49] <dubaco_1> its not
[16:49]  * diddledan grrs at dubaco_1's garmin in the hopes it'll magically work
[16:49] <diddledan> did that help ? :-p
[16:50] <diddledan> dubaco_1: you might find someone in #ubuntu which has a larger population - it's pretty quiet in here right now
[16:51] <diddledan> I've never owned a GPS unit so don't really know what plugging-into a pc would normally enable (if it worked)
[16:51] <diddledan> so unfortunately I can't be any help :-(
[16:52] <dubaco_1> diddledan, the last comment should have been your first. thanks
[16:52] <diddledan> dubaco_1: I'm the class-clown :-p
[16:52] <diddledan> aka troll
[16:53] <diddledan> if I don't know the answer I mock
[16:53] <diddledan> I do eventually try to help tho
[16:54] <daftykins> are GPS units even cable based or bluetooth o0
[16:54] <diddledan> unrelated to GPS but a fun read: http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1051730-kill-your-buzzwords
[16:57] <daftykins> oh it's a cycle computer
[16:58] <diddledan> o_O
[16:59] <daftykins> Windows and mac only software
[16:59] <daftykins> dubaco_1: cycle computer - right?
[17:04] <daftykins> hmm rather quiet
[17:12] <dubaco_1> yes daftykins  i was eating food. sorry yes its a cycling pc
[17:13] <daftykins> dubaco_1: not gonna happen then, Windows or Mac.
[17:14] <diddledan> what does plugging a cycle computer actually achieve anywho?
[17:15] <dubaco_1> diddledan,  it helps me keep my job
[17:16] <dubaco_1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11836851/ heres the lsusb
[17:17] <diddledan> nono, I mean what functionality should it provide?
[17:17] <dubaco_1> when on or off the bike?
[17:17] <daftykins> pretty sure you'd need software to do anything useful with the data
[17:17] <dubaco_1> daftykins, www.strava.com
[17:17] <daftykins> why are you linking me to this?
[17:18] <dubaco_1> you can make cycling a game
[17:18] <daftykins> oh you tab complete failed :>
[17:18] <daftykins> !tcf
[17:19] <dubaco_1> ALL i need is to dl the gps file from the edge 200 to then upload it manualy to strava
[17:20] <dubaco_1> @ daftykins
[17:22] <daftykins> so borrow a Windows machine, tbh
[17:22] <daftykins> Garmin is notoriously proprietary stuff, you're going to have a hell of a time if you insist on using Ubuntu
[17:22] <diddledan> really outdated info, but: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=124627
[17:24] <daftykins> hehe antique ubuntu!
[17:28] <diddledan> dubaco_1: there are suggestions that the device might be mounted as a filesystem
[17:29] <diddledan> big quote:
[17:29] <dubaco_1> diddledan, i saw that
[17:29] <dubaco_1> dont know how to mount it
[17:29] <diddledan> "I have found that all my Linux systems will mount my Garmin 500 and I can access the device like a USB drive.
[17:29] <diddledan> To import my activities into Strava, I just go to the device and within the Garmin/Activites folder there are all the *.fit files. The file names are in the format YYYY-MM-DD-XX-XX-XX.fit. I just select the file for that particular activity and upload it."
[17:29] <dubaco_1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11836851/ thats my lsusb
[17:29] <diddledan> dubaco_1: in ubuntu if it's mountable it'll appear in the sidebar/dock
[17:29] <diddledan> alternatively in the file explorer
[18:29] <diddledan> looks like openssl are going to drop a new high-severity patch on turdsday
[18:36]  * diddledan wonders how wily wang doodle is doing
[18:36] <diddledan> I mean wily warewolf
[18:36] <diddledan> werewolf*
[18:37] <diddledan> I suck
[18:37] <knightwise> yeeey :) Mr Robot Episode 2 ! :)
[18:37] <diddledan> mr robot?
[18:37]  * diddledan googles
[18:38] <knightwise> very VERY good geek show
[18:38] <diddledan> hmm
[18:38]  * diddledan does something secret to make it magically appear
[18:39] <diddledan> ooh that sounds awesome
[18:39] <diddledan> and. christian slater.
 just... 'Slater'
[18:40] <knightwise> Just watch the pilot ...
[18:41] <knightwise> the evil ones use KDE :p
[18:41] <diddledan> well I'll be flubbered. two episodes have suddently appeared in my media system
[18:41] <diddledan> --t
[18:41] <knightwise> I have no idea how that happened
[18:41] <diddledan> me either
[18:41] <knightwise> magical interwebbelz
[18:41] <diddledan> it's magic I tell ya
[18:42]  * knightwise thinks diddledan has a magic lamp
[18:42] <diddledan> in related news: I want some flubber
[18:42] <knightwise> (because he is rubbing stuff all the time behind his computer)
[18:42] <diddledan> lol
[18:42] <diddledan> speaking of which, apparently redtube has been serving malware
[18:43] <diddledan> (I read about it the other day)
[18:43] <knightwise> mallware for the sould ?
[18:43] <knightwise> soul ?
[18:43] <diddledan> lol
[18:43] <diddledan> you'd think people that frequent such sites might need some
[18:43] <knightwise> daùn , wish i could get hold of the soundtrack
[18:44] <diddledan> I don't know it
[18:44] <diddledan> daún (windows doesn't let me do the other u)
[18:44] <diddledan> or should that have been "damn"?
[18:44] <diddledan> silly fingies?
[18:46] <diddledan> ooh, hour-long episodes on mr robot?
[18:46] <diddledan> that's 15 more minutes than standard us shows
[18:46] <knightwise> wait what ?
[18:46] <knightwise> where ?
[18:47] <diddledan> 19:43 <knightwise> daùn , wish i could get hold of the soundtrack
[18:47] <diddledan> or 19:46 <diddledan> ooh, hour-long episodes on mr robot?
[18:47] <diddledan> ??
[18:47] <knightwise> hour long
[18:48] <diddledan> aah
[18:49] <knightwise> diddledan: Link ?
[18:49] <knightwise> (in private)
[18:49] <diddledan> erm
[18:49] <diddledan> I have no idea where it comes from. it just magically appears
[18:49] <knightwise> diddledan: of course it did :)
[18:50] <diddledan> just spotted that the first episode was an hour-long when I opened it
[18:50] <knightwise> Thats correct , but the second one is only 45
[18:50] <diddledan> aah, ok
[18:50] <knightwise> i thought you found an ep 2 with one hour
[18:50] <diddledan> just a pilot thing then
[18:52] <knightwise> nice map here btw : Real time attacks across the web http://map.norsecorp.com/
[18:53] <diddledan> yeah I like that map
[18:54] <diddledan> I want to see it when there's actually something serious going-on
[19:06] <diddledan> eliot in mr robot is kinda a bit like me only extremified
[19:07] <diddledan> I think that's probably what they were trying to achieve
[19:07] <daftykins> :D
[19:07] <daftykins> soon there'll be an interview "what i really wanted to do was televise diddledan..."
[19:08] <diddledan> lol
[19:13] <diddledan> "what's a rootkit?" "it's like a serial rapist with a big thingy"
[19:40] <awilkins_> That's a different character!
[19:41] <awilkins_> I'm betting a substantial fraction of people in here identify with Elliot, including me
[19:45] <diddledan> allo awilkins
[19:58] <awilkins_> evnin'
[20:41] <diddledan> hmm, episode 2 leaves it rather in-the-air
[20:41] <diddledan> that's a terrible cliff-hanger to leave me on
[20:42] <diddledan> gotta wait till thursday?
[20:44] <shauno> I didn't think it was much of a cliffhanger tbh
[20:45] <diddledan> well no, more a cliff-fall
[20:45] <shauno> :|
[20:46] <diddledan> I'm guessing that christian slater is a bad man
[20:46] <diddledan> I was hoping he'd be a white-knight posing as a blackhat
[20:50] <shauno> hm.  I might have to sleep tonight.  it's shaping up to be a rough week
[20:51] <diddledan> oh?
[20:53] <shauno> just way too many hours
[20:54] <shauno> 5 12-hour shifts, and then 5 days sailing.  and then finally a weekend off
[20:55] <diddledan> ouch
[20:55] <shauno> yeah. a good plan coming together with lots of scraping and grinding noises :/
[20:58] <diddledan> those noises are you grinding your teeth?
[20:58] <diddledan> slowly going insane...
[20:59] <Distrosharer> more john_smiths require'd ;-)
[21:00] <Distrosharer> Feelin' good at moment      ..
[21:00] <Distrosharer> I've just monetised the entire RMS Operating system.
[21:01]  * Distrosharer curls his fingers over and brushes his jacket after 'blowing on fingers' ;)
[21:05] <mapps> 36c tomorrow
[21:05] <mapps> gonna melt
[21:05] <diddledan> Distrosharer: perhaps you should call mandriva
[21:06] <Distrosharer> diddledan: How so ?
[21:06] <diddledan> Distrosharer: tell them how to monetise their distro
[21:07] <Distrosharer> that's easy .. have you ever heard of the infomercial and DiscWar documentaries ?#
[21:07] <diddledan> no
[21:08] <Distrosharer> Well, apart from UbuntuMate, which distros have a release video/ infomercial about there product ?
[21:08] <Distrosharer> ...
[21:08] <Distrosharer> none , exactly.
[21:10] <Distrosharer> You have to think QVC meets MSN with monetising Operating systems - Or ppl simply won't 'care' enough to invest whatever spare time they have.
[21:10] <diddledan> I'm failing to see how having a video makes people give you money
[21:11] <Distrosharer> You explain the /goodness/ of the OS through a video. More users mean more patreons. More patreons means more moolla for Richard.
[21:11] <diddledan> erm
[21:11] <Distrosharer> Any way you failed to asked how I've done it with gnewsense ..
[21:12] <diddledan> 1) linux is created by Linus Torvalds, not Richard Stallman. 2) neither of them care about getting money for their respective softwares
[21:13] <Distrosharer> gnewsense is pretty much owner by the FSF thou.
[21:13] <Distrosharer> *owned
[21:15] <Distrosharer> 1) gnewsense is pretty much owner by the FSF thou. 2) RMS is practically anti-Capital .. well after tonite .. he'll have to wake up and smell the coffee -> https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/19428990-gnewsense
[21:15] <mapps> hm
[21:15] <Distrosharer> Note that link is 20 minutes old. It didn't exist before Channel 4 news.
[21:15] <mapps> you watched all of csi cyber diddledan?
[21:15] <diddledan> mapps: I'm just catching up right now
[21:16] <mapps> many left?:)
[21:16] <diddledan> as in it's playing now
[21:16] <Distrosharer> back to me pint ....
[21:16] <diddledan> I'm on ep6 I think (one of the ones I borrowed off ya)
[21:18] <diddledan> lol @ roof-top scene - aiming a gun a guy threatening to jump
[21:18] <diddledan> "don't jump, or I'll shoot"
[21:19] <diddledan> or "don't kill yourself, or I'll kill you"
[21:20] <mapps> heh
[21:21] <diddledan> the accelerometer recreation was pretty unbelievable tho
[21:25] <mapps> hmm
[21:25] <mapps> remind me?
[21:26] <diddledan> two phones. one in the purpetrator's jeans, the other in the victim's dress. using accelerometer logs they created a visualisation of two people having a fight
[21:26] <diddledan> including arm movements
[21:26] <diddledan> and legs
[21:29] <shauno> interesting chap
[21:29] <diddledan> weirdo
[21:31] <mapps> ahhh yea i remember now
[22:03] <awilkins_> Hey! £37k to work on a 15-years obsolete web templating language on Windows! http://www.digitalhealth.net/recruitment/item.cfm?id=13299&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[22:07] <diddledan> awilkins_: I like that this 15year old obsolete tech is classified as "part of an exciting, cutting edge new development programme"
[22:08] <zmoylan-pi> please bring your own win3.1 install disks :-)
[22:08] <awilkins_> Yeah, I didn't look at that ad and go "OMG they want someone to do scut work fixing bugs in their crappy old web app AT ALL"
[22:08] <diddledan> there's some awesome buzzword bingo in the "Key duties will include" section
[22:08] <awilkins_> £37k for a dev with 15 years experience by definition
[22:08] <diddledan> such as "Assisting in the translation of functional requirements into technical specifications"
[22:09] <awilkins_> I tweeted them back and wished them luck
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> tea maker/sandwich fetcher?
[22:10] <vetman3309> feds?
[22:10] <awilkins_> UK NHS
[22:10] <awilkins_> So, kinda feds
[22:10] <awilkins_> Healthcare IT is a rotting cesspool of ancient tat
[22:10] <awilkins_> Because in healthcare, people are incredibly risk averse
[22:10] <diddledan> awilkins_: and new tat built on top of the ancient tat
[22:10] <awilkins_> THey dare not change anything, because it might change stuff
[22:11] <vetman3309> paha
[22:11] <shauno> I'm annoyed enough that I'm not allowed to do anything that won't work on IE8
[22:11] <diddledan> shauno: I get that
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> nowt wrong with ancient stuff.  usually it's debugged.  usually
[22:11]  * awilkins_ looks incredulous
[22:12] <diddledan> shauno: government often insists on that for any sites we make for them, even if it's supposed to be a public site rather than internal one
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> _or_ the bugs are well known and workarounds exist
[22:12] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: _or_ the bugs are well known and explotable
[22:12] <diddledan> exploitable*
[22:12] <diddledan> e.g. winxp
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> or explodable :-)
[22:12] <shauno> it bugs me no end.  the only groups still using IE8 are only allowed to us it for internal tools that require it
[22:13] <vetman3309> fancy fixing universal dowl site xD
[22:13] <diddledan> universal dowl?
[22:13] <vetman3309> jsa one
[22:13] <diddledan> that's wood that can be used for everything?
[22:14] <vetman3309> lol i forget that not everyone speaks northern
[22:14] <awilkins_> vetman3309, Hah, I had an approach from a guy on linkedin to work for the DWP
[22:14] <vetman3309> xD please!
[22:14] <awilkins_> I restrained myself from spitting in his virtual eye, just barely
[22:15] <awilkins_> I was in two minds, briefly
[22:15] <awilkins_> At first I thought "Hey, maybe I can make things better from the inside"
[22:15] <awilkins_> THen I thought "Hah, since when did THAT ever work out?"
[22:15] <diddledan> awilkins: I'm assuming that's two-minds whether to spit or ignore? rather than take the job vs not take the job.
[22:16] <diddledan> awilkins, steven elop?
[22:16] <awilkins_> "better"?
[22:16] <diddledan> well he did make it better. after he made it much worse
[22:17] <diddledan> I mean once he'd finished with the making it worse, even microsoft is better
[22:17] <vetman3309> wow!
[22:18] <awilkins_> Meh. Anyway, I'm not working for the DWP. Public service agencies with a brief to make things worse for the vulnerable can sod off. I'd be miserable.
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft is better?  how? less sweaty since ballmer left?
[22:18] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: micrsoft was "better than nokia could ever be again" once elop was done
[22:19] <diddledan> awilkins: they might have hired you and then made you redundant due to cost saving measures
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> well nokia is not done.  it stopped.  it could chose to start again with clean slate
[22:19] <diddledan> awilkins: obviously as part of cost saving they include nice redundancy packages
[22:19] <awilkins_> diddledan, Permie jobs in gov depts. are actually really hard to lose
[22:20] <awilkins_> But yes, they pay good redundancy
[22:20] <vetman3309> daamn i need to learn computer wizardry
[22:20] <diddledan> this is why the bbc gets moaned at for golden handshakes - they believe they're government controlled
[22:21]  * diddledan hands vetman3309 a lump of wood from diagon alley
[22:21] <awilkins_> vetman3309, computer wizardry does pay pretty well
[22:21] <awilkins_> On the other hand, it is like learning wizardry - lots of evenings spent in poring over dark grimoires
[22:21] <awilkins_> Learning utterance in arcane tongues and the Names of Unspeakable Daemons
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> and meetings...
[22:22] <diddledan> don't you hate how plex doesn't tell you what movie/tv-show the image it's displaying as it's background comes from?
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> with the 3 dots and everything...
[22:22] <diddledan> awilkins, that sounds decidedly like management, too
[22:23] <awilkins_> diddledan, with computer wizardry, when you give orders, they are generally followed to the letter
[22:23] <zmoylan-pi> awilkins_ is not familiar with visual basic then? :-)
[22:23] <diddledan> "we need to leverage our synergy to capitalise on the business opportunity presented by the ongoing business processes"
[22:24] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's voodoo
[22:24] <awilkins_> zmoylan-pi, I can make VB6 do things that transcend it's meagre begginings
[22:24] <zmoylan-pi> chickens were sacrificed true enough...
[22:24] <awilkins_> I can make VB6 go faster than VB6
[22:24] <zmoylan-pi> i made vb apps that ran for months without crashing.
[22:24] <vetman3309> how would one go about learning the magiks?
[22:25] <diddledan> I still think it's hilarious that I thought I was clever by making a VB6 CGI framework (common gateway interface, not computer generated imagery)
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> but i always considered it suggesting rather than programming
[22:25] <awilkins_> I've written VB6 programs longer than 500 lines that worked perfectly first time
[22:25] <awilkins_> vetman3309, If you're serious... well, there are lots of pages about that
[22:25] <diddledan> you should google something on bing.com
[22:25] <awilkins_> This one's a classic : http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[22:26] <diddledan> gotta love eric raymond
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> typing google into bing... doesn't that break the internet?  maybe i should ask siri about that...
[22:26] <awilkins_> Yeah. Because if you don't he sure has enough guns to shoot you.
[22:27] <vetman3309> i remember reading AC by the jolly roger and it giving you tips for dial up the various boxes but never actual wizardry
[22:27] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: when you want to search for something on the internets you go to bing.com and type google.com and click the first link, then you type your search into the box and click "I'm feeling lucky"
[22:27] <awilkins_> This is REAL wizardry, the likes of which mere mortals cannot hope to replicate these days : http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> when i first read the story of mel in the 90s i wondered if it were possible to do the loop without a test trick in vb.  took me ages years later to debug that program as i didn't leave a comment :-)
[22:29] <diddledan> omg I was only 17 when that was written (give or take two months)
[22:29] <diddledan> (17 days)
[22:30] <awilkins_> I was 9
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> i was 12
[22:30] <awilkins_> Wow, a channel I'm YOUNG in
[22:30] <diddledan> 17 days is ancient
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> it would be 3 years before i got my first computer a zx +2
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> well it's 2330, all the kids are in bed
[22:49] <diddledan> why is it that whenever someone twits something wrongly or abusively they claim they were hacked as the first response when called-out?
[22:50] <diddledan> the latest being a bbc reported twatting that the queen died
[22:50] <diddledan> reporter**
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> because people who are clueless think that covers their mistake
[22:52] <diddledan> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/07/queens-death-tweet-bbc-reporter_n_7746674.html
[22:52] <diddledan> really?
[22:53] <diddledan> they think lying absolves them of wrongdoing?
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> near as i can figure.  i try not to think down to that level of dumb as it hurts my brain
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> it's like in tech support you ask what they did and they deny everything
[22:54] <diddledan> "OMG it's works now! what did you do?" "oh, nothing really"
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> i often didn't mind people breaking things if they told me what they did as it speeded up fixing it.  and they often learned not to do it again
[22:54] <diddledan> oh, you're talking from the engineer's perspective
[22:55] <diddledan> I was thinking you were talking to support and they denied everything
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> i think the i was hacked excuse is just the modern equivalent of i did nothing
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> oh i had tech support deny everything too...
[22:55] <diddledan> that and "commies" or "china" or "russkies"
[22:56] <diddledan> or north korea for releasing a movie late
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> i had a customer getting out of memory error on windows 3.1.  it was a while ago :-) so i rang ms. i was young/dumb.
[22:56] <diddledan> "we made a movie but you can't watch it because OMG INTERNATIONAL CRISIS"
[22:57] <diddledan> what was the problem?
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> i told them i was running windows in enhanced mode on a ibm ps/2 286 using a qram above board that gave it enhanced extra memory.
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> and ms told me i wasn't
[22:57] <diddledan> hmm
[22:58] <diddledan> clever how they can know so absolutely what you're doing
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> and that was it, they would not belive a 286 could run windows in enhanced mode.  it had to be a 386 or better
[22:58] <diddledan> that engineer needs retraining
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> never mind the memory card cost more than the computer which was silly expensive
[22:58] <diddledan> bad etiquette to outright call your customer a lyer
[22:59] <diddledan> lier*
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it prudent not to mention it was also running novell server at the same time :-)
[22:59] <diddledan> lol
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> in the end once i disabled a graphic driver option it started working ok
[22:59] <diddledan> novell. that's one OS I've not had the chance to play with
[23:00] <diddledan> lol
[23:00] <diddledan> new gfx card?
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> but i only rang ms once after that when i was ordered too.  useless then too
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> it had an option to do 65000 colour depth.  once i switched it to 256 it was grand
[23:00] <diddledan> I've phoned microsoft many many times. to get the damned thing to believe I am not a hacker/pirate
[23:02] <shauno> I've never phoned microsoft :)
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> last time it was to report a bug in qbx that effected using a modem in basic.  they told me there was no bug.  i found out 10 years later there was a patch available at the time to fix the problem.  but they didn't want so send patches to ireland.  i could hit ms building in ireland from my window at work.  don't ask how i know that :-D
[23:02] <diddledan> shauno: you use a mac
[23:02] <diddledan> I've submitted over 30 feedback items for win10
[23:03]  * diddledan goes to find the exact number
[23:03] <diddledan> 37 feedbacks by me. on which I've had 54 "upvotes" aka "likes"
[23:28] <diddledan> why do the papers think it's important to share pictures of the dutchess of cornwall's "marylin munro dress mishap"
[23:28] <shauno> you buy papers?
[23:28] <shauno> or do you just eat a lot of fish&chips
[23:28] <diddledan> nono, online papers
[23:29] <diddledan> it's actually ITN in this case which I guess isn't really a paper, but a tv channel
[23:30] <zmoylan-pi> rome had bread and circuses, britain has dole and the royal family.
[23:30] <diddledan> and apparently bill cosby raped women
[23:31] <diddledan> http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-he-got-drugs-to-give-women-for-sex/ar-AAcEely?ocid=spartanntp
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> not proven. highly suspicious but still not a conviction
[23:31] <diddledan> it's msn, I know
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> there's a trend these days for mob justice online that will not end well
[23:37] <diddledan> I say we should round up a group of people to bring down these mobs
[23:39]  * zmoylan-pi bagsies franchise on pitchforks...
[23:40] <shauno> hm.  I should be up at 5.  but I just watched the wrath of khan, and don't think I can go to sleep in good conscience without watching the search for spock first
[23:42] <diddledan> lol
[23:43] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: don't forget fire