[09:46] <zequence> sakrecoer-ZzZz: The packages in the list are the full total of all packages in Debian sections sound, graphics and video, so not just the ones we ship
[09:46] <zequence> Our menu would be useless, if it only works with applications that we ship, so before we can use it the way we want to, ALL desktop files need to be done correctly
[18:35] <cub> Hello people
[18:35] <cub> zequence, do we have any interest in a Writer's application? Such as Scrivener, but open source?
[18:37] <cub> I have had some contact with a developer doing a Novel writer solution, but open source which Scrivener might not be in the end. I think it would be a nice addition to Ubuntu Studio in the future even though is more being creative with words than audio/video
[18:37] <cub> http://www.plume-creator.eu/
[18:38] <cub> Since I like this kind of application I'm thinking of helping him/them out with some community stuff is possible
[18:39] <cub> I suppose, once there is a stable release, one should try to get it into Debian repositories though I'm not sure how hard that is.
[18:39] <zequence> cub: Isn't it already, package: plume-creator
[18:40] <cub> oh I didn't even check..haha
[18:41] <zequence> I'm not against adding it. It does not belong in any of our three main categories though, right?
[18:41] <cub> True, it is already in Debian. I feel a bit stupid now.
[18:41] <cub> No it's not any of the main catagories
[18:41] <zequence> YOu can find a lot of strange things packaged
[18:41] <zequence> Like, svtplay-dl
[18:42] <cub> :D
[18:42] <cub> I just figured it wasn't included since it's offered in download form on the web site/sourceforge
[18:43] <zequence> We haven't considered a workflow for writing at all. These days, I can't imagine anyone using a pen, or even a type writer
[18:43] <zequence> The web site looked pretty plain
[18:43] <cub> That's the old stable version though, 0.66. He is doing make over in Python for the next release so kind of from scratch
[18:43] <cub> yeah, it's only one developer and an author in the "team" I think
[18:44] <zequence> Wonder what writers usually like to use
[18:44] <cub> he wanted a writer app for himself and coded it.
[18:44] <zequence> other than Worrrd
[18:44] <cub> It seems Scrivener is very popular where you can gather everything in one place
[18:45] <cub> A friend of mine has published 4 books now done in Word and multiple sources for keeping track of notes
[18:45] <cub> He is going to buy Scrivener for the next book since he thinks it is quite hard keeping everything together using just an editor like Word
[18:46] <cub> http://www.bokus.com/cgi-bin/product_search.cgi?authors=Peo%20Bengtsson
[18:46] <zequence> Can't find scrivener googling it. Sure you spelled it right?
[18:46] <zequence> That's a bunch of books
[18:47] <cub> https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php
[18:47] <zequence> Ah, yes I found it.
[18:48] <cub> And the linux version: https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=33
[18:50] <zequence> plume creator looks very archaic
[18:50] <cub> The Scrivener linux version looks more or less the same
[18:51] <cub> There is an option for themes, but I haven't tried it out yet. Not sure how much I will meddle with the 0.66 version since it's not going be developed further
[18:53] <zequence> plume creator doesn't seem to be well translated from French
[18:53] <zequence> Some stuff missing
[18:54] <zequence> Usually the other way around :)
[18:54] <cub> That's what I thought, but apparently some of the names for things are supposed to be in French
[18:55] <cub> He's French though so the translation might be lacking. Something I might be able to help out with
[18:55] <zequence> Mise en scène? I haven't been to writers school
[18:55] <cub> me neither, I had to look it up
[18:56] <zequence> Has some nice ideas
[18:56] <zequence> Multiple drafts
[18:57] <zequence> Gui is not fully functional on this DE at least (Gnome)
[18:58] <zequence> Some tooltips are just white, no content
[18:58] <cub> did you install through apt-get or .deb?
[18:59] <zequence> Version 0.66+dfsg1-2 on Debian Jessie
[18:59] <zequence> I use Debian on my main machine
[18:59] <cub> nice, so it's a recent version in the repos
[18:59] <cub> yeah, I'm actually on Debian Jessie now as well
[19:00] <cub> We'll see how the development goes with 1.5
[19:01] <cub> it could be something for 2016 or 2017. Would be good to get a few more people involved...if he's interested in that.
[19:04] <zequence> Auto saving is nice. Something all applications should have. You should only need to worry about revisions, not about saving data
[19:05] <zequence> One guy can only do so much
[19:06] <cub> Yeah, Scrivener works in the same way. He told me there is an issue in 0.66 with losing data once every 1000 time or something, so the recommendation have been to use Dropbox or similar to be able to bring back an older History version.
[19:06] <cub> Happened to me at my first try. :D
[19:07] <cub> Weird though, because the text I wrote is not visible in the app, but when I do an export it's there. But won't be fixed as he's only working on 1.5 now
[19:08] <cub> It's basically just the one developer and an american author as a tester
[19:08] <cub> so far
[19:08] <zequence> The underground movement of the underground movement
[19:08] <zequence> 2 people out of 7 billion
[19:09] <zequence> Almost at the level of what Ubuntu Studio is now
[19:09] <zequence> It's kind of fascinating, when you start to think about it
[19:10] <cub> Still, there's a new comment or question on Ubuntu Studio every day
[19:12] <zequence> Everyone eats food, but not everyone makes it
[19:15] <zequence> Ok, time for some grub (food)
[19:34] <OvenWerks> cub: book publishing was... what the publishing workflow was supposed to be about
[19:35] <cub> With the thought of the actual creation of the book to be published?
[19:35] <OvenWerks> The thing with any of these creative tools is having someone who uses that workflow involved in Studio to make good comments on properly supporting it.
[19:35] <cub> It would fit in there quite well then
[19:35] <OvenWerks> That is my thought too.
[19:36] <OvenWerks> I think Studio started as an Audio creation tool and has expanded to cover artistic creation in general
[19:37] <OvenWerks> Now that we have the ability to choose which SW to include in the install we should be able to include those things.
[19:37] <cub> Sure, there has also been some talks/questions about whether html editors should be included
[19:37] <OvenWerks> Yes
[19:39] <cub> hmm I thought it was a good idea to add some fonts to my system...but 1.5 GB seems a  bit over the top.
[19:39] <cub> all in one package.
[19:39] <OvenWerks> it was kicked around 3 or 4 years ago and the general feeling was that people picked their own preference anyway... but I feel it would be nice to have one anyway. I use bluefish, but that is just because that is what I started with. I don't know that it is the best.
[19:39] <zequence> Publishing is not about writing books though
[19:39] <cub> I used Bluefish for many years
[19:39] <cub> but now I just use vim
[19:40] <OvenWerks> zequence: that is true, but back when Scott was first talking about, it was about books or ebooks. I am not stuck on that myself though. My thought is to support what we have people using.
[19:40] <zequence> And, I would say Studio has been allround for quite a while. If not, since the beginning. I only started using it at about 2008
[19:41] <OvenWerks> cub: I use "joe" for my text editor.
[19:41] <zequence> books, ebooks, yes, but printing them is one thing, and creating the stories another
[19:41] <OvenWerks> I have never felt at home with vi*
[19:42] <OvenWerks> Lyx anyone?
[19:42] <zequence> I've sometimes wanted to learn joe. It looks nice,
[19:43] <OvenWerks> joe is based on the text only "word processors" of yester year. I keybindings were pretty standard over a number of products.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> It is a lot like nano but with a lot more features.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> If you have ever used wordstar, joe is like that.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> MixBus3 is out. The price is very nice at $79. It is based on Ardour 4.
[20:04] <zequence> The got some plugins too, but they were not as cheap :P
[21:34] <OvenWerks> zequence: the plugins cost more because you can't download the source and build... and they are all in house. MB is based on a lot of comunity help.