[02:26] what happened to ListItem.Standard? [02:26] Ubuntu.Compontents 1.2 does not work with it [02:44] hello === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:44] good morning [07:41] kalikiana: you got some comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listItemRightClick/+merge/262177 [07:44] kalikiana: this relative time translation is interesting... [07:44] kalikiana: I see a timer which updates the translation, and that may force us to have a component... [08:46] dholbach: I am about to upload 7 click packages for which the only change is the icon, would you mind reviewing them for me as a double-check? [08:48] They are same revision as existing store versions, just added a .1 (or .2) to take the new icon update [08:48] ok [08:48] let me know when they're uploaded and I'll take care of it [08:49] thanks dholbach [08:53] dholbach: all done, requested manual review for those that need it [08:57] popey, is there a way to download the old version from the store somehow? [08:57] .. like the current one [08:58] dholbach: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/07/2015-07-08-050001/ [08:58] thanks [08:58] np [09:07] popey, done [09:09] * popey hugs dholbach [09:47] zbenjamin: any reports on QtC crash on 14.04 LTS recently? [09:47] Mirv: no [09:47] not that i know of [09:48] zbenjamin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11840535/ - I can, at most, click one tab before it crashes. I've cleaned .config/{Qt,Troll]* etc. weird. [09:51] Mirv: hm , that looks really weird it crashes in QXcb [09:51] zbenjamin: ok, it's all Qt5 programs.. I guess Qt 5.2.1 doesn't like my laptop's touchpad inputs [09:51] zbenjamin: which is a bit sad, since then it could affect many people and 5.2.1 might be "slightly" hard to fix if it's something fixed with a major overhaul in 5.3, 5.4, ... [09:52] Mirv: ugh, time to upgrade :) [09:52] zbenjamin: well I can switch to my wily LXC qtcreator, I just thought the 14.04 LTS SDK experience would be the stable one for me :) [09:53] zbenjamin: I know I'd love to just stay on devel, but I thought I'd try the LXC route with my new machine, handling everything fresh via that and later LXD [10:05] Mirv: yeah sounds good :), but i would prefer a machine with systemd so i could use systemd-nspawn [10:07] zbenjamin: ah damn but that starts to become slightly more problematic when one wants to run qemu inside LXC or route USB device to it... aaanyway, it might be that this is simply because I'm now using just the laptop itself, normally I use external mouse/keyboard and this is probably related to the touchpad input driver vs old Qt [10:07] zbenjamin: I'm already quite in the deep water for myself, running graphical apps via LXC :) [10:07] :D === greyback__ is now known as greyback [11:30] popey: the new Music icon hit! and it looks great! === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:30] I need to access a Google service API (books), that does not yet exist in the OnlineAccount's. How does one achieve that? [12:33] TLyngeJ: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/online-accounts-developer-guide/ , at the bottom [12:33] I've tried to define the new service in the app.service and app.application files, but it seems like something else is needed to get the new triggered. [12:34] Ohh, let's have a look at that. [12:34] TLyngeJ: I think google books uses OAuth 2.0, so it should be easier [12:34] it does [12:44] popey: I should let Stallman play Stallboard lol [12:45] good luck with that [12:45] XD [12:45] he is going to be at an event I'm going to [12:45] I'd be interested to know what he says :) [12:45] (record what he says for version 2) :) [12:45] lol [12:46] popey: I just downloaded Snowball World going to play it in a bit [12:46] looks cool [12:46] popey: he won't touch it will he is ubuntu and full of spyware and stuff [12:47] true davmor2 [12:47] dpm: i can create milestones in app specific projects, how on earth do you make them in ubuntu-phone-coreapps so they're accessible to blueprints? [12:47] That 'add milestone' button always eludes me [12:47] davmor2: we have a sound for that :) [12:47] popey: I know [12:50] popey, I think you can't have both (app-specific milestones and global blueprints). So if the milestones apply to all apps, then we can file them under the ubuntu-phone-coreapps-common project (and BPs as well). If the milestones are _not_ global, then we can file them and the BPs under the one app [12:51] dpm: right, i made them under the app because you need them there for bug tagging [12:51] but the bp is under commons [12:51] (I have always found this incredibly frustrating, and was only done this way for the burndown charts iirc) === Raven67854_ is now known as Raven67854 [12:52] dpm: shall i move the bp to the app? [12:52] popey, yeah, that's what I was going to suggest [12:52] given a) its app specific and we dont use burndown [12:52] ok [12:52] indeed [12:52] also b) [12:52] ok [12:53] yeah, app-specific milestones and app-specific BP that matches those milestones [12:57] is ListItem.Standard dead? [12:58] in Ubuntu.Compontents 1.2? [13:03] I now just using ListItem but it has some weird spacing when using Label [13:05] http://imgur.com/NXensVQ [13:07] Right, so the bottom section, of page that was linked too, regarding adding access to a new service at Google, apparently descripes how to add a new provider, like Google, not add a new service to an existing provider. [13:08] I tried to have a look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/files/691 to see how that register the calander service, but I got none the wiser. [13:09] TLyngeJ: huh? [13:12] popey: You know how the core app add access to the Google calendar API, in the OnlineAccounts? I'd like to acheive the same, just for Google Books. [13:12] Oh, nice idea. [13:12] youtube app does the same [13:13] From my app I can access the already existing provider services (like gmail and calendar), but I can see the service that I've defined in my own .service file. [13:14] I also took a neak peek into /usr/share/accounts/services/google-calendar.service, but still no dice. [13:14] * TLyngeJ takes a look-see at the youtube app. [13:17] so removing useDeprecatedToolbar got me this: qml: Page.tools is a deprecated property. Please use Page.head instead [13:18] so much changes in 1.2 [13:19] * ahoneybun is pulling out his hair from these changes [13:19] popey: is this still good to use?: import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0 as ListItem [13:21] * TLyngeJ returns frome http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-youtube-dev/ubuntu-youtube-app/trunk/files [13:22] ahoneybun: pass, maybe poke t1mp or zsombi [13:22] I think that app is running of black magic. There is barely any code in there... [13:22] the SDK does not like ListItem.Standard anymore... [13:23] ahoneybun: maybe look at another app which uses ListItem and see what it uses [13:28] popey: finding a project that use Ubuntu.Compontents 1.2 is hard lol [13:31] ahoneybun: one mo [13:31] I just added the ListItems compontent for the heck of it [13:31] i wrote a script somewhere which scans every app in the store and reports what they use [13:32] it is just that this page: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ListItem/ [13:32] seems to say that the core Ubuntu.Compontent imports ListItem [13:36] ahoneybun: hey pal. I noticed that too. It basically seems there currently is no good "non-deprecated" replacement for those Ubuntu.Components.ListItems other than a bareboes ListView from Ubuntu.Components (that supports swipe actions, etc). You need to flesh it out yourself. I was actually thinking of fixing the situation and work out a set of reusable listview components I would submit to ubuntu component store, but I'm currently a tad ... [13:36] ... busy. I may get to it though some time. [13:37] karni: currently I'm just using: import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0 as ListItem for the time being [13:37] still [13:37] TBH I'm a bit surprized with the decision to go ahead with barebones ListView and deprecate all those old ones [13:37] ahoneybun: yeah, that'll work for some time at least [13:39] I really should use UbuntuShape for my Family tab... [13:41] I want to use the toolbar items [13:44] ahoneybun: there should be no problem using Ubuntu.Components.ListItems [13:45] thanks t1mp [13:45] ahoneybun: although in 1.2 we have the new ListItem component that will replace the Ubuntu.Components.ListItems [13:45] ahoneybun: for the new ListItem we do not have default layouts yet, so everything that is inside the list item (title, icon, ..) you have to add yourself [13:46] Hey there [13:46] t1mp: so ListItem.Standard/Header and such are gone? [13:46] ahoneybun: see https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ListItem/ and https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/04/15/retrospective-and-roadmap-ui-toolkit/ [13:46] some one know anything about creating a webservice ?? [13:46] ahoneybun: they still exist, but they will be removed for UITK 2.0 (which we did not yet start to work on) [13:47] so I have time [13:47] ahoneybun: yes [13:47] all these changes [13:47] ahoneybun: ListItem.Standard etc. are still even in UITK 1.3 (which we are working on but is not released yet) [13:48] ok [13:48] ahoneybun: but the new ListItem has cool new features such as left/right swipe to show actions, and its performance is very good [13:49] thats cool and all but I never have used it for that so not much use to me but a headache [13:49] ahoneybun: here is a short list of improvements for the ListItem https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/03/30/ubuntu-components-1-2-release/ [13:50] ahoneybun: okay [13:50] thanks for the info very much t1mp [13:51] how would I use toolbaritems with tabs? [13:52] ahoneybun: what do you mean with toolbaritems? [13:52] code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubuntu-beginner/2.0/files [13:52] if by toolbar, you mean the bar you can swipe in from the bottom, that is deprecated [13:52] I want a Info button on the header bar [13:54] ahoneybun: set Page.head.actions: [ yourAction ] [13:54] ahoneybun: see https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeadConfiguration/ [13:54] so this is uselss for this?:https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ToolbarButton/ [13:55] ahoneybun: yes, it is useless. [13:55] we should have that marked as deprecated, something is wrong with the docs [13:55] DF___: i think you need to explain what you mean by web service [13:55] very hard to keep up to date [13:55] oh we didn't mark it as deprecated [13:56] t1mp: so when I click the item I want it to load a qml file [13:56] the about.qml file [13:58] ahoneybun: probably you should put a PageStack in your app, and you can do something like Page.head.actions: [ Action { iconName: "help"; onTriggered: pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("about.qml")) } ] [13:58] ah there is a standard icon for info also, so you can use iconName: "info" [13:58] t1mp: but I think tabs work best for this no? [13:58] nemo: going to be a while before I can run the rebuild [13:58] I was just looking for its name [13:59] ahoneybun: using a PageStack seems good to me. [13:59] o/ [13:59] t1mp: seems hard for me [13:59] ahoneybun: Tabs always appear in the dropdown menu on the left of the title. I think an action in the header that pushes the new page on a PageStack is better. [14:00] oh? [14:00] hey koda [14:00] ahoneybun: there are some PageStack examples here https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.PageStack/ [14:00] got it open t1mp :) [14:00] you could use Tabs too, that is up to you. But for Tabs you cannot set the icon in the header [14:00] :) [14:01] hi! [14:02] t1mp: all the pages are on top of each other lol [14:06] nemo: mcphail sorry for moving you but i know other devs lurk here and may get benefit from your conversation :) [14:07] ahoneybun: did you define them inside the PageStack? iirc they should be hidden automatically then [14:07] ahoneybun: otherwise set visible: false for the Pages. The PageStack will make them visible again when you push them [14:07] something is up lol [14:07] foreign language to me t1mp lol [14:08] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841618/ [14:13] ahoneybun: yeah, you must set the visible property of the Pages to false [14:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11841633/ [14:13] ahoneybun: ^ [14:13] t1mp: this is it now: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841636/ [14:15] ahoneybun: that is a bit strange [14:15] why? [14:15] ahoneybun: I think in Component.onCompleted you only want to push your root page [14:16] yea.. [14:16] you are pushing a different page now [14:16] I changed it [14:16] or maybe you do want the Home page, but you have a root page defined as well [14:18] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841660/ [14:18] I have the 2 pages but they are overlaping [14:24] got it I think [14:32] the sdk does not want to run the app on the device for some reason [15:02] store is going to be a bit down while we work on some issues [15:02] downloading of packages, specifically === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:28] nemo: think I'm going to have to give up on this for today. Need to work out how to build the pascal cross-compiler cleanly [15:28] :-/ [15:28] kk [15:29] well. maybe can find someone like kenvandine who is building natively [15:29] mcphail: I'm confused tho. how is upstream doing this? [15:29] mcphail: you can't push to whatever build machine they are using for ARM? [15:30] nemo: that might be an idea. I could build a PPA [15:31] mcphail: I was initially hoping you could just make minor changes to whatever ubuntu process was in use. [15:31] although, might be more convoluted for making repeated changes [15:32] nemo: I can make the minor changes and let the PPA build-bot produce a deb. I can rip the binary from that and roll it in a click [15:32] nemo: I can't directly install the deb as I don't have a separate phone for development. My bq is my only phone and I need it for work [15:33] I hope the build machine has SDL2 [15:34] nemo: the build machine has whatever you tell it to have :) [15:35] nemo: if anyone else has an ARm device, they might be able to build locally before I get a chance to roll a PPA. Keep asking [15:38] popey [15:38] MSG pgp === espy is now known as awe === dbarth__ is now known as dbarth === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft [16:58] popey, yo, did you sort your ms2 issues? ;-) [16:58] nope [16:59] save me obi wan [16:59] haha oh god [16:59] so whats the situation? [17:01] popey, $ mediascanner-service-2.0 .. came back with an error right? [17:01] popey, that one you sent me looks very systemd'y... does upstart for user services still exist on wily? [17:02] no, that works [17:02] just running it on its own successfully murders my ssd and cpu [17:02] ah yeah if you have 5 [17:03] music app still dies tho [17:03] terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): Tried to open a db with schema version -1, while supported version is 8. [17:03] Aborted (core dumped) [17:03] ..50GB of music and 25 of pictures/videos your pretty stuffed [17:03] hmmm and ms2 finished its scan right? [17:03] its scanning all my cat pictures [17:03] no [17:03] it *has* to finish [17:03] bah [17:03] that blows goats [17:03] ok, finished [17:03] otherwise the db is in a locked/partial state [17:04] \o/ [17:04] * ahayzen hates the current situation [17:04] popey, so what happens if you run music now? [17:04] it works \o/ [17:05] \o/ [17:06] now go and tell the ms2 guys it takes *far* to long to scan on the desktop lol [17:06] ya [17:06] ooh, i have a ton of bugs to file now :) [17:06] * ahayzen suspects that it is commiting to the db between every scan of a file [17:06] well, at least two [17:06] why not batch in at least sets of 10 [17:07] haha [17:07] OKAY! [17:07] i don't mind filing one for that ^^ i've been meaning to for a while ;-) [17:08] ok, how about this - minimise on close. [17:08] minimise on close? [17:08] every other music app does that [17:08] press x - music continues [17:08] awful [17:08] but how do you get it back? [17:08] hah [17:08] and i've said close...so close! [17:08] click it in the launcher [17:08] ahayzen, from launcher or indicator [17:08] what happens if its not in the launcher? [17:08] try it with rhythmbox, spotify, banshee, clementine [17:09] they _all_ do it [17:09] and the indicator doesn't exist at the moment lol [17:09] * ogra_ hates that behavior [17:09] and they _all_ confuse new folks [17:09] "arg i closed it but its still playing" [17:09] ignore grandpa, he was injured in the war [17:09] a close button should close ... not minimize [17:09] (says gampa) [17:09] I'll file a bug and ubuntu-ux and you can argue about it [17:09] so how would you *close* the app in you case? ... press minimize ? [17:09] CTRL+Q [17:09] File -> Close (lol) [17:10] swipe up [17:10] what happens with no keyboard ? [17:10] open the menu, selest quit [17:10] etc [17:10] *select [17:10] and on the mobile what happens there? [17:10] swipe up - it gets killed [17:10] because that means really go away [17:10] but on mobile you dont have an X [17:10] because a swipe up is different from pressing X lol [17:10] it is in every other music app :) [17:11] happy to thrash out the pros and cons in a bug :) [17:11] I am not wedded to that behaviour, I just think we should consider it [17:11] consistently designed breakage :) [17:11] hah [17:11] i mean if we have the spread on the desktop/converged then you'll have a swipe up *and* a X [17:11] surely they both mean 'close this app' [17:11] well, you shouldn't have to close apps [17:12] but in the desktop people are trained to do it [17:12] * ahayzen thinks it is another thing that gives value to his settings page idea for convergence [17:12] heh [17:12] * popey files it anyway [17:12] hehe ;-0 [17:13] we need indicator support first :-) and i guess media-hub would need to know the difference between the 'close' and the 'close to minimise' [17:14] popey, oh and btw VLC player closes when i press close ;-) [17:14] * ahayzen hugs trusty VLC player [17:15] ahayzen, yeah, thats the reason why i use it :) [17:15] until music-app becomes viable on desktop, same for me :-) [17:16] haha, just tested this with rhythmbox [17:16] opened it, pressed play, pressed ALT+F4, window is gone [17:16] can't find it anywhere :S [17:16] this may not be an optimal example :) [17:16] indicator [17:16] nope [17:16] oh, sound [17:16] right [17:16] yeah i've heard that from *every* knew user lol [17:16] yep [17:17] oh and don't close RB while it is scanning it causes apport to think its crashed :-) [17:17] when you click the indicator, it opens, minimised [17:17] thats crazy [17:17] haha [17:17] you never tried it before ? [17:17] * popey closes bug report for another day [17:17] i remember it being slightly broken last time, hence VLC player :-) [17:17] this is madness [17:17] yes [17:17] by design [17:17] * ahayzen assumes RB folks will blame unity [17:17] there were long discussions on desktop before it got implemented like that [17:17] haha, CTRLQ no longer works [17:17] what the absolute F [17:18] it is _impossible_ to close rb [17:18] Ctrl+Q isn't an option just Ctrl+W for "close window" [17:18] popey, from the menu [17:18] popey, you should be using Gnome Music now anyway? it looks much nicer [17:18] hah, it was close in the past [17:18] i dont think there is any other way [17:18] they did this to annoy me [17:18] not only you [17:18] but there is always VLC [17:18] ;) [17:18] port that then, chop chop [17:19] nah, waiting for studio_ to do that [17:19] * popey anticipates snappy mentioned shortly [17:19] :P [17:19] yeah what happened to the VLC discussions from like 1yr+ ago [17:20] popey, what does Banshee do ? [17:20] it still exists ? [17:20] or are you an anti-mono guy? ;-) [17:20] I am not [17:20] I am pro free software, so I am pro mono [17:20] otherwise try Gnome Music http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/music-the-gnome-music-player-is-getting-smart-new-features [17:20] * ogra_ thought that died [17:20] 'next gen' [17:21] * popey imports music into banshee [17:21] just the 3 databases of music then [17:21] \o/ 1 in XML..2 in sqlite ? [17:21] banshee at least raises the window when you click the indicator [17:21] yeah [17:21] none sent to google or apple tho ㋛ [17:22] hah thats what you think ;-) [17:22] wow, i own some terrible music [17:22] popey, tomorrow all your ads will have ABBA in them [17:22] haha [17:22] 2 unlimited actually :) [17:23] I forgot how much i like banshee [17:23] * ahayzen wonders what the state of clementine/listen/amarok etc is these days [17:25] time to install all the music things! [17:25] oh, also, media keys pls [17:25] haha my media-keys with VLC was fun [17:25] do we have a bug for that already? [17:25] yeah somewhere [17:25] it will "come for free" with background-playlists IIRC [17:26] as media-hub will do it for us [17:26] right jhodapp ^^ ? [17:26] oh [17:26] as our app will be stopped anyway so it'll have to be mh or something that will need todo the next/previous/toggle [17:26] * popey adds media-hub to the list of things that will save us including click, snappy, mir, unity8 and juju [17:26] ahayzen, which part exactly, media keys? [17:27] jhodapp, yeah that'll be in media-hub right? and will work once we have bg-playlists done? [17:27] no bugs with key or keyboard that look appropriate [17:27] ahayzen, it won't be media-hub, it'll most likely be an indicator and the indicator will call play/pause next/prev via the MPRIS interface down to media-hub [17:28] ah yes [17:28] popey, that ^^ [17:28] ahayzen, I'm not quite sure if the indicator implements that yet for phone [17:28] i remember seeing bugs for it and them being fixed [17:28] wow, banshee is _impossible_ to kill [17:29] $ killall banshee ? [17:29] Anyone here feel like attempting an ubuntu touch compile of hedgewars for me? basically that thing mcphail brought up prior [17:29] apt-get purge banshee ? [17:29] (ah, wait ... that wont kill it) [17:29] alt+f4, CTRL+w and close button, none of them close it [17:29] ahayzen, cool [17:29] right bug 1398427 had some related code [17:29] bug 1398427 in unity8 (Ubuntu RTM) "[dialer] + [sound] Can't use earphone to answer or disconnect a call" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398427 [17:29] nemo: whats needed? [17:30] then we have bug 1437483 and bug 1231909 tracking headphone controls (basically media-keys) not *yet* working [17:30] bug 1437483 in Ubuntu Music App "Music app does not react to bluetooth headset buttons" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437483 [17:30] bug 1231909 in Ubuntu Music App "Headphone controls aren't interacting with music-app" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231909 [17:30] ahayzen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1472716 [17:30] Launchpad bug 1472716 in Ubuntu Music App "Music App should support media keys" [Undecided,New] [17:31] guess that maybe related / dupe [17:31] hahah can i merge the 3 bugs into 1? :'( [17:32] popey: welll pretty much compiling standard ubuntu package, but with flag MOBILE set [17:32] popey: and a line in hedgewars/options.inc removed [17:32] for ARM ofc [17:32] heh [17:33] maybe wait till mcphail gets back later? [17:33] save duplicating what he was doing [17:34] popey: 11:35 < mcphail> nemo: if anyone else has an ARm device, they might be able to build locally before I get a chance to roll a PPA. Keep asking [17:34] was just going along w/ his request from a couple of hours ago [17:35] ahh [17:36] ok, i have a device :) [17:37] cool. welp. if it interests you [17:37] kenvandine tried yesterday but didn't have enough space on his [17:37] haha [17:37] and apparently no desire to muck about w/ microsd or nfsmount [17:37] mine is pretty empty [17:38] * popey installs build deps [17:38] should have same dependencies as standard ubuntu package, apart from using GLES11 and SDL2 [17:38] After this operation, 856 MB of additional disk space will be used. [17:38] ho ho ho [17:38] niiice [17:38] wow. that's a lot [17:38] popey: oh [17:38] popey: you don't need server or video recording [17:38] at least for testing [17:38] that would allow skipping libav and all of haskell [17:39] the rest of the bloat is I 'spose qt [17:39] x [17:39] python 2.7 [17:39] all sorts of nonsense [17:39] oh. is this phone not a dev env already? [17:39] huh. what on earth do we use python for??? [17:39] that must be some ubuntu packaging thing [17:40] popey: https://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/wiki/BuildingOnLinux the deps *we* are aware of 😝 [17:41] yeah [17:41] I planned to build a deb [17:41] because i know that works [17:42] fair 'nuff [17:42] popey: general goal was to see if the game could be playable on ubuntu touch w/ hopefully minor changes [17:42] 'cause I bet it isn't right now [17:42] sure [17:43]