| zmoylan-pi | amazing grace at end of wrath of khan on bagpipes... ::sniff:: | 00:08 |
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| diddledan | I love amazing grace on bagpipes | 00:09 |
| daftykins | shauno: :D | 00:11 |
| daftykins | shauno: yeah you can't leave him out there on Genesis unfound. | 00:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | which takes you to the voyage home... | 00:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | then it kinda goes wrong with star trek 5 | 00:12 |
| diddledan | really you need to see all three together | 00:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | i like star trek 5. but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the movies | 00:12 |
| shauno | man, it's amazing how many gadgets are completely ripped off from star trek | 00:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | then 6 with a klingon doing sheakspeare in the original klingon... | 00:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | well a lot of tech does come from sci fi since forever. remember the british got radar after asking scientists was a death ray possible :-) | 00:14 |
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| shauno | http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/david-marcus.jpg | 00:16 |
| shauno | tell me he's not wearing a gopro | 00:16 |
| shauno | and the radar thing sounds very much like urban legend ;) | 00:17 |
| diddledan | on his left pocket? | 00:17 |
| diddledan | I thought the radar thing was what the germans believed we were working on | 00:17 |
| shauno | yeah, the coat pocket | 00:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | well radar is a bit weird as everyone invented their own version. germans, british, american, japanese | 00:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | it was just the time to invent radar i suppose | 00:18 |
| diddledan | the german version had a giant wily (werewolf) flapping around in the middle of a disc | 00:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | look up the history of battle of the beams of radio jamming in wwii. a real geek hacker war | 00:19 |
| shauno | yeah. our big step really wasn't inventing radar. it was inventing the magnetron that made microwave radar sensible | 00:19 |
| shauno | which was a big deal because it's much more directional, and gives much better resolution | 00:20 |
| diddledan | aye giant antenna arrays weren't really very viable (despite our attempts) | 00:20 |
| daftykins | hmm how does one cheer up someone who lost their cat :S | 00:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | get them a kitten \o/ | 00:21 |
| shauno | giant arrays work, but you can't stick them in the nose of a plane, and you can't hide them easily | 00:21 |
| diddledan | daftykins: mention how you loved her **** | 00:21 |
| shauno | which variant of lost are we talking here? it might come back in 3 days? or "lost"? | 00:22 |
| diddledan | daftykins: alternatively suggest a sexchange | 00:22 |
| diddledan | or is this the result of sexchange already? :-p | 00:23 |
| diddledan | sorry, I've got wily warewolfs on the brian | 00:23 |
| daftykins | had to put her down | 00:23 |
| diddledan | daftykins: that's not going to cheer them up much | 00:23 |
| shauno | ah, ok | 00:23 |
| daftykins | even i'm finding it upsetting :/ | 00:24 |
| diddledan | "I'm sorry you lost your cat, this will scratch a little and then you'll forget" :-p | 00:24 |
| daftykins | mmm need the Men in Black flashy thing | 00:24 |
| diddledan | :-( | 00:24 |
| shauno | I was just gonna suggest that a kitten's maybe not a great idea if it's tv-remote lost. if it's grandma-lost it's .. well less bad | 00:24 |
| diddledan | might be too soon | 00:24 |
| shauno | er, less bad an idea that is. (trying to avoid ever calling it a good idea though) | 00:25 |
| daftykins | ah there's still one more cat | 00:25 |
| daftykins | i don't think this friend digging the grave herself was too touching a move by family | 00:25 |
| diddledan | grr | 00:26 |
| diddledan | that's sucky :-( | 00:26 |
| daftykins | mmm, very challenging one | 00:29 |
| daftykins | i've not had to deal with others emotions before really o0 | 00:30 |
| shauno | hm. where am I gonna find a drill at 2am | 00:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | your neighbours are hoping you don't get a good answer to that question | 00:51 |
| diddledan | shauno: had a tip-off that the feds are on their way and need to destroy your hard disks? | 00:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | for that you use a fubar | 00:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | or make your own thermite | 00:51 |
| * diddledan out-foos zmoylan-pi | 00:51 | |
| shauno | or a microwave, since it's 2015 so you've obviously ssd'd all the things | 00:52 |
| diddledan | I'll see your foo and raise you one | 00:52 |
| diddledan | SSD makes data too easy to destroy | 00:52 |
| shauno | (or if you really want to make sure, samsung firmware ..) | 00:52 |
| diddledan | for the criminal that's a good thing. for the rest of us it's a bit eep | 00:52 |
| diddledan | I heard about that but didn't actually hear what the problem was or work out whether mine is affected | 00:53 |
| daftykins | shauno: that's only one model :P | 00:53 |
| popey | ahhhh | 00:53 |
| daftykins | and anyone sensible who read about TLC knew it wasn't worth the risk | 00:54 |
| popey | that moment when you discover the reason for a bug | 00:54 |
| popey | I can sleep now | 00:54 |
| daftykins | eureka? :D | 00:54 |
| popey | just a bit | 00:54 |
| diddledan | popey: stay awake like the rest of us vampres | 00:54 |
| diddledan | vampires* | 00:54 |
| daftykins | you folk work in dev jobs, why does my friends company make her do mind numbing performance reviews o0 | 00:54 |
| diddledan | oh those suck | 00:55 |
| shauno | most likely her company is too big | 00:55 |
| daftykins | and why does it seem like a total skive for the managers, vs. actually doing something sane | 00:55 |
| diddledan | I have to do my own now, I guess, because I'm freelance | 00:55 |
| daftykins | hehe | 00:55 |
| daftykins | shauno: yeah, Pros if they're well known | 00:55 |
| daftykins | seem to be quite worldwide | 00:55 |
| diddledan | so, dan, how has your quarter been? are you performing well? <-- yes. --> well done. carry on. | 00:56 |
| daftykins | nah you have to pick fault with yourself too :P | 00:56 |
| popey | spot the difference | 00:56 |
| popey | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211045350/screenshot20150708_014157276.png | 00:56 |
| popey | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211045409/screenshot20150708_014208399.png | 00:56 |
| shauno | that's usually the easy bit ;) | 00:56 |
| diddledan | pick fault. hmm: "you forgot to put the loo seat down yesterday. don't do it again." | 00:57 |
| popey | focus eye on the bit that says "BLUE" but is in fact Red. :) | 00:57 |
| ahayzen | lol | 00:57 |
| diddledan | popey: isn't that "blue" actually "canonical orange"? | 00:58 |
| popey | hah | 00:58 |
| shauno | and the red that's quite pink-leaning | 00:58 |
| popey | yeah, tempted to just get rid of that theme and use the one that works | 00:58 |
| popey | where the colours are actually what they say they are | 00:58 |
| daftykins | popey: ah-ha, you've had my colourblind mate designing things! | 00:58 |
| popey | haha | 00:58 |
| popey | anyway, bug marked "bitesize" and I'm off to bed | 00:59 |
| popey | ta-ra night owls | 00:59 |
| daftykins | poor lad, he watched the Green Lantern film and didn't have a clue that the enemy was yellow, looked the same to him | 00:59 |
| shauno | have you ever asked a colour-blind person how they handle traffic lights? | 00:59 |
| daftykins | nn \o | 00:59 |
| daftykins | shauno: with gloves like any other sane person | 00:59 |
| daftykins | ;) | 00:59 |
| diddledan | lol | 00:59 |
| diddledan | green lantern. lol. | 00:59 |
| shauno | I had someone explain to me that he stops on brown and goes on brown. made me rather nervous about driving with him | 01:00 |
| daftykins | :D | 01:00 |
| shauno | our performance review thing actually did something sensible last year. I'd be very surprised if it survives | 01:02 |
| daftykins | :D | 01:02 |
| shauno | they polled other people for performance reviews | 01:02 |
| shauno | we still had to dance through all the stupid questions, but it was quite nice to have "everyone loves shaun .. except his managers" instead of just "shaun's managers hate him" | 01:03 |
| daftykins | :D | 01:05 |
| shauno | okay, I swear this klingon is doc brown | 01:06 |
| diddledan | ok. so ssd firmware bug was never in production units? | 01:06 |
| daftykins | shauno: one is! | 01:06 |
| diddledan | what's all the hullabaloo then | 01:06 |
| daftykins | diddledan: which is this? | 01:07 |
| diddledan | samsung evo | 01:07 |
| daftykins | there been a story today? | 01:07 |
| diddledan | no the one that shauno mentioned earlier | 01:07 |
| daftykins | there was totally the performance degradation issue ongoing for months | 01:07 |
| diddledan | http://www.anandtech.com/show/6503/second-update-on-samsung-ssd-840840-pro-failures | 01:07 |
| daftykins | oh yeah that one never got out | 01:08 |
| daftykins | that's not even worthy of consideration | 01:08 |
| shauno | that's 2012 | 01:08 |
| diddledan | i.e. he said (paraphrased) "if you want your data killed, use a samsung drive" | 01:08 |
| daftykins | yeah that hasn't happened | 01:08 |
| diddledan | shauno: do you know a more-recent firmware issue on samsung drives that I should be concerned about then? | 01:09 |
| daftykins | 840 EVOs lose the electron charge threshold slowly down performance hugely as it becomes harder to read the values stored within cells | 01:09 |
| diddledan | really? | 01:10 |
| daftykins | oops that was badly worded | 01:10 |
| diddledan | is there actual evidence of that causing data loss? | 01:10 |
| shauno | I think NCQ was the one I was making jokes about | 01:10 |
| daftykins | no word on data loss, just things crawl to a halt for having to go back and repeatedly retry reading cells | 01:10 |
| shauno | there was an issue with some drives reporting that they supported NCQ when they didn't | 01:11 |
| daftykins | Samsung have a second newest firmware and a maintenance app that goes over a drive and essentially rewrites it all | 01:11 |
| shauno | which wasn't an issue because no-one else supported NCQ. until linux implemented sata 3.1. | 01:11 |
| daftykins | hmm | 01:12 |
| shauno | (and another bug where linux tried to use NCQ to trim to the wrong blocks. I think these were a bad combination) | 01:12 |
| daftykins | i think all sandforce controller based SSDs have had far worse woes | 01:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | so what sort of support do these drives have on linux for updates/utilities? | 01:16 |
| daftykins | bootable ISOs for firmware | 01:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | not too shabby then | 01:17 |
| daftykins | and nothing for the utilities afaik | 01:17 |
| daftykins | OCZ used to have these neat minimal GUI Linux live ISOs that would boot, connect to the internet then query your SSD and update it in one hit | 01:18 |
| daftykins | not sure that's still around since Toshiba bought their SSD portion | 01:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'll stick with spinny drives then | 01:22 |
| daftykins | you're missing out | 01:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'll stick with what i trust | 01:23 |
| daftykins | the performance gains will give you so much more free time :D | 01:24 |
| daftykins | and oooh the silence | 01:24 |
| daftykins | plus you can start flinging laptops around without worrying | 01:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | i like the noise of a drive. i can hear problems develop and make sure my backups are ready | 01:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | my hearing is excellent at high frequency, even in my 40s | 01:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | i can still hear mice and bats | 01:25 |
| daftykins | but you should backup on a schedule! | 01:26 |
| daftykins | :> | 01:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | i do that to but sometimes you hear a drive make a noise that makes your paranoia do one early | 01:26 |
| daftykins | i'll feel happier once i get that new UPS battery in | 01:29 |
| daftykins | don't really get powercuts over here so much as the 90s though | 01:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | grew up in a house a few doors down from a hospital, till they changed our area in 80s we never saw a power cut | 01:30 |
| daftykins | impressive | 01:31 |
| shauno | I think I'm getting old. I got one of those plastic drawer/tray things with all the tiny organizing compartments. and it's pretty much my favourite toy right now | 01:34 |
| diddledan | lmao | 01:34 |
| daftykins | then where's the pic?! | 01:35 |
| diddledan | shauno: you're a grandad now. even if not biologically | 01:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have loads of those :-) | 01:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | one in most bags that i use. filled with lots of odds and sods | 01:36 |
| shauno | I think I'll go take a nap after this coffee | 01:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | nap... after coffee... you're coffee's broken | 01:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | *your | 01:48 |
| daftykins | i don't feel like the stuff does much to me | 01:48 |
| shauno | I think I'm pretty much imune at this point | 01:50 |
| daftykins | you could go on a detox and get your tolerance lowered! | 01:50 |
| daftykins | :> | 01:50 |
| shauno | it used to work. I still have fond memories of trying to prove that the FDA's overdose limit was nonsense | 01:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | my mother used to get though 18 cups of tea a day, when she stopped she had massive headaches for months | 01:54 |
| shauno | 40 shots of espresso in one sitting is still my record | 01:56 |
| shauno | I'm convinced we could have managed more, but my boss's wife sent me home for "talking to the customers" | 01:56 |
| shauno | I'm now so boring that I fear that'll forever be one of my proudest moments | 01:57 |
| daftykins | ;_; | 02:00 |
| daftykins | you need to get on some bucket list items! :) | 02:00 |
| daftykins | bah, HTPC spontaneously booted again | 02:00 |
| shauno | I'm working on it :) had my first sailing list in may, and I'm racing in cowes week next month. that's been a pretty major "get off my ass" | 02:02 |
| daftykins | :O | 02:03 |
| daftykins | did your bottom bracket tool come yet? :> | 02:03 |
| shauno | haven't ordered it yet. I'm away all next week, so I figure I'll wait till I get back | 02:04 |
| shauno | else knowing my luck, it'll arrive while I'm gone and everything will go wrong | 02:04 |
| diddledan | also, after curry, has your bottom bracket ever fallen out? | 02:04 |
| diddledan | of course, I'm now wondering what a "bottom bracket tool" is for. some kind of sodomistic things? | 02:05 |
| shauno | the closest I can get to answering that, is "the day after taking the Curry Hell Challenge in Newcastle, I flew on an ATR all the way from Newcastle to Dublin. That was not clever." | 02:06 |
| diddledan | lol | 02:06 |
| daftykins | :D | 02:06 |
| daftykins | we have ATRs over here! | 02:06 |
| daftykins | our mate is being made to go back to one to do his Captaincy | 02:07 |
| shauno | nothing "fell out", but as it flapped around on the wind trying to land, I did not feel fantastic at all | 02:07 |
| diddledan | one of these? http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/2/7/1757727.jpg | 02:07 |
| shauno | yes lol | 02:07 |
| shauno | I miss aer arann. they did all kinds of stupid little routes on those | 02:08 |
| shauno | I guess they still do, since they've been subsumed into aer lingus. but they don't come to galway anymore, which ruined it for me. if I have to go all the way to a real airport, I might as well get on a real plane | 02:09 |
| daftykins | they're huge, what you want is... http://www.alderneypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/g-joey2.jpg | 02:10 |
| daftykins | :D | 02:10 |
| daftykins | those suckers are true 'air taxis' | 02:11 |
| shauno | that engine on the tail looks very .. kerbal | 02:11 |
| diddledan | lol | 02:11 |
| diddledan | I think it must have been designed by an aussie | 02:11 |
| daftykins | when banked 45 degrees to the side of the island, everyone including the sole pilot is staring out the side at the island :> | 02:11 |
| shauno | we have something similar to that, but without the kerbal'd engine - http://img.rasset.ie/0008cd59-642.jpg | 02:11 |
| diddledan | "that tail looks boring, mate, shove an engine up there!" | 02:12 |
| daftykins | once, a passenger noticed a tire was flat - so he tapped the pilot on the shoulder and he went "oh dear" and landed on a beach instead | 02:12 |
| shauno | I keep meaning to try one of these out to the islands, just because I'm a nerd. but I can never figure out how to plan it | 02:13 |
| daftykins | you could come visit! | 02:14 |
| daftykins | :P | 02:14 |
| shauno | if I go out on the ferry, I can wake up that morning, look out the window and go "nahhh". if I fly, I have to book it the day before and pray for the weather | 02:14 |
| shauno | I meant the islands here ;) | 02:15 |
| daftykins | hmm think we can book same day in person here | 02:15 |
| daftykins | oh i know :P | 02:15 |
| daftykins | but how could you possibly pass up riding in Joey | 02:15 |
| daftykins | i mean he even has his own comic books | 02:15 |
| shauno | "comfortably, from a distance" | 02:15 |
| shauno | which reminds me | 02:15 |
| shauno | diddledan: I wasn't kidding about being in southampton next month lol | 02:16 |
| diddledan | yeah, but I'm a hermit | 02:16 |
| diddledan | :-p | 02:16 |
| daftykins | have you guys crossed paths before given your lengthy exposure over the aye-arr-seas? | 02:16 |
| daftykins | or do you both know better :D | 02:17 |
| shauno | nah | 02:17 |
| diddledan | it might be dangerous | 02:17 |
| shauno | I don't go back to the UK often, because it's boring and expensive | 02:17 |
| diddledan | you know, same time, same place and all that | 02:17 |
| shauno | and dan doesn't go Outside often, because he's lost the front door key | 02:17 |
| diddledan | lol | 02:17 |
| diddledan | yeah, I've got a rope out the window for deliveries | 02:18 |
| diddledan | luckily no fires yet, so I've not needed to go that route myself | 02:18 |
| shauno | oh man. I've had a delivery guy offer to try to bung the parcel in an upstairs window before | 02:18 |
| diddledan | lmao | 02:18 |
| diddledan | "stay there, I'll chuck it" | 02:19 |
| shauno | nah, he called me because I wasn't home | 02:19 |
| diddledan | aah | 02:19 |
| diddledan | "stay there, I'll chuck it" | 02:19 |
| shauno | he seemed pretty convinced he could get it in the open window. but upstairs isn't my house | 02:19 |
| diddledan | :-p | 02:19 |
| diddledan | lol | 02:19 |
| diddledan | that kinda puts a downer on it | 02:19 |
| diddledan | ok, so the huffington post have a story that the MI5 foiled "al qaeda's most ambitious plot" because london got bombed | 02:21 |
| diddledan | kinda a bit of a "well on the one hand, many deaths. but good news, we caught some other dudes"£ | 02:21 |
| daftykins | as in they were off doing one job and couldn't focus on averting the bombings in London? | 02:23 |
| diddledan | I don't really know | 02:23 |
| diddledan | it sounds like "we let them bomb london so we could catch someone" | 02:24 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 02:24 |
| diddledan | quote: Mr Parker said: "I’m not sure we would have detected it without the uplift that followed 7/7." | 02:26 |
| diddledan | so paraphrasing "see, we told you we need to invade your privacy!" | 02:26 |
| diddledan | I'm not sure "increased surveilance" counts as an "uplift" either | 02:27 |
| shauno | how cute, you still think you have privacy :p | 02:27 |
| diddledan | but I'm a liberal I guess | 02:27 |
| diddledan | shauno: at least with facebook I know I'm getting rear-ended and have accepted it. government is doing it without me bending over and saying "have at it" first | 02:28 |
| shauno | oh I know. it's both sad and hilarious. | 02:28 |
| diddledan | sorry, family friendly! | 02:28 |
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| diddledan | m00. erm, I mean Guest00 | 02:28 |
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| daftykins | i thought the uplift was a thing my mates just booked at the bikepark in Wales | 02:30 |
| shauno | that just makes it sound like they got a boost in resources that they found useful | 02:30 |
| shauno | but in the context of their current whines that they can't decode my phone .. hah | 02:30 |
| diddledan | tony blair: "we are not going to allow anyone to excuse themselves by saying the slaughter of totally innocent people is somehow a response to any decision by any government." <-- so invading iraq is out of the question then? | 02:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | been pr in mi5 is great, you can just make stuff up and when asked say we can't provide any details because of security | 02:31 |
| shauno | I'm curious what'd happen if people start to subpoena the intelligence services for their defense | 02:33 |
| diddledan | in other news, the RMT have succeeded where al qaeda failed. london will be brought to a standstill for a whole 24 hours starting from 18:30 tomorrow | 02:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | they'll just pass a law saying they can ignore a subpoena | 02:34 |
| shauno | I mean, can I use gchq as my alibi? | 02:34 |
| diddledan | shauno: you need to include lots of speculation about ongoing projects that need to be classified | 02:35 |
| shauno | lol, I'm more thinking of perfectly sensible stuff | 02:35 |
| shauno | "I was in x place at y time. the crown has records of this. the crown is prosecuting." | 02:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | project bogroll, a real clean up job | 02:35 |
| diddledan | shauno: so. getting the government to submit data from gchq on the basis that gchq is part of the prosecution's enterprise and therefore fair game for evidence requests? | 02:36 |
| shauno | I'm not sure it has to work, it just has to stick a question in the jury's mind. the whole 'reasonable doubt' thing | 02:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | remember the oversight for gchq is a small bunch of politicians who gchq probably have evidence of various illegal acts | 02:37 |
| diddledan | doesn't reasonable doubt only cover murd0r? | 02:37 |
| shauno | it's meant to be any trial. it's near impossible to prove absolutes. you just have to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt' | 02:38 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: sounds like one of the seasons of nikita | 02:38 |
| shauno | I just find it interesting that the crown can use gchq against you, but can withold evidence that might support you | 02:39 |
| diddledan | it's a good thought | 02:39 |
| diddledan | I don't suppose we'll ever find out the answer until one of us gets solicited | 02:39 |
| shauno | well | 02:40 |
| shauno | you, basically. zmoylan-pi, daftykins and myself aren't in the UK :) | 02:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | the answer is it's nonsense, a complete waste of money and resources and undermines democracy | 02:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | yet gchq spies on ireland a fair bit | 02:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | much good that it did them | 02:40 |
| shauno | sure, but they likely won't show up in court here :) | 02:41 |
| daftykins | did i show you guys our leaders? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ssv1o5dat6tx74g/IMG_20150706_182942.jpg?dl=0 | 02:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | not exactly true, they did provide evidence to the gardai when it suited them to get people convicted here | 02:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | wether the evidince was real or manufactured is left to the readers opinion | 02:42 |
| diddledan | daftykins: the cow? | 02:43 |
| diddledan | maybe that should read "the cow!" | 02:43 |
| daftykins | both! | 02:44 |
| daftykins | Guernsey Golds, them | 02:44 |
| diddledan | nvidia are going into fast food? "nvidia hopes to sell more chips by bringing ai programming to the masses" | 02:44 |
| diddledan | I guess nvidia's idea is "people can build and program a robot to come to our takeaway restaurant to buy chips" | 02:45 |
| diddledan | kiddy fiddler might not go to prison because he'll be unable to fiddle kids: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-could-dodge-jail-because-6018730 | 02:52 |
| diddledan | that's a paraphrase btw | 02:52 |
| daftykins | i had a feeling there were no child musicians in the story | 02:53 |
| diddledan | ok, so it's actually his pacemaker that "needs" wifi. he'll just use it anyway | 02:56 |
| diddledan | I fail to understand why a pacemaker would "need" wifi, and also how it would connect when the network is secured with a key | 02:57 |
| diddledan | and what happens when he goes on holiday? | 02:57 |
| diddledan | or, god forbid, leave his home wifi-network's range to get a pint of milk (or drop by the local school) | 02:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | they can bung him in low security place with heavily restricted wifi | 03:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | 2400baud wifi should be fast enough :-) | 03:01 |
| shauno | probably much more sane to have an outbound policy limited by host | 03:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | you see mobile phones popular with prisoners sold in dublin all over the place. http://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/beat-the-boss-phones/ | 03:07 |
| diddledan | really unmetered bandwidth? http://www.libsyn.com/podcast-hosting-services/ | 03:31 |
| diddledan | (I was nosing to see what a particular podcast used to drive their, rather naff, webpage) | 03:32 |
| diddledan | i.e. these guys: http://surfacesmiths.com | 03:32 |
| diddledan | they were linked by Gabe Aul in a mass-email I received | 03:33 |
| diddledan | oh no, looks like I found them on his twatter feed | 03:33 |
| diddledan | or not, actually it was the windows insider twit | 03:35 |
| diddledan | I wish I could make musics | 03:44 |
| diddledan | I'm not arty tho | 03:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | karaoke to punish the universe for not making you musical :-p | 03:45 |
| diddledan | that would be too evil | 03:45 |
| diddledan | my singing is worse than my music creation ability | 03:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | you need... microsoft songsmith... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E | 04:05 |
| diddledan | lol I remember that | 04:08 |
| diddledan | wow, I won a whole £6 last night on the eurolotto | 04:15 |
| mapps | morning | 05:20 |
| diddledan | morning | 05:33 |
| diddledan | how goes? | 05:33 |
| diddledan | still "stupid hot"? | 05:33 |
| diddledan | it's cooled down a bit here | 05:33 |
| mapps | atm its ok | 05:34 |
| mapps | but 36c at 5p | 05:34 |
| mapps | m | 05:34 |
| diddledan | eep | 05:34 |
| mapps | is gonna be tough lol | 05:34 |
| diddledan | ooh, a new movie has appeared in my collection: survivor: stars milla jovovich and pierce bosnan | 05:35 |
| diddledan | still got moar csi:cyber to watch, too | 05:35 |
| mapps | ;D | 05:36 |
| mapps | i watched spy ..decent enough | 05:36 |
| diddledan | yeah? | 05:36 |
| diddledan | I like the look of that | 05:36 |
| mapps | ya considering jason statham and that woman | 05:36 |
| mapps | both normally in rubbish films imo | 05:36 |
| diddledan | lol | 05:36 |
| diddledan | jason statham is the new steven segal | 05:37 |
| mapps | yea | 05:38 |
| mapps | he was funny in spy tho :) | 05:39 |
| diddledan | time for episode 8 of csi:cyber. entitled "Selfie 2.0" | 05:49 |
| mapps | heh | 05:49 |
| mapps | what a title | 05:49 |
| diddledan | eep @ manky body in the first scene | 05:49 |
| diddledan | she doesn't look very well | 05:50 |
| diddledan | might be a slight touch of dehydration | 05:50 |
| === Guest97090 is now known as MooDoo | ||
| MooDoo | morning | 07:11 |
| diddledan | m00 | 07:13 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:11 |
| bashrc_ | morning | 08:13 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:28 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:31 |
| popey | blimey | 08:31 |
| * popey checks the time | 08:31 | |
| diddledan | yey for bt shenanigans | 08:32 |
| bigcalm | :P | 08:32 |
| * davmor2 picks himself up off the floor, bigcalm dude are you okay, you know it's like really the morning ;) | 08:34 | |
| bigcalm | Yeah... I'm trying to ease myself into work today. Haven't found my mojo yet | 08:35 |
| diddledan | had a line with sky which I've cancelled in favour of no landline. phone line is still active, with a new number. sky won't talk to me because I'm no longer a sky customer. bt won't talk to me because I'm not a bt customer. openreach won't talk to me because I'm not a service provider. all I want is for my landline to be killed! | 08:35 |
| bigcalm | Free phone calls? | 08:36 |
| diddledan | bigcalm: that's what I'm wondering | 08:36 |
| diddledan | if I use it do I get charged? if not who does? | 08:36 |
| bigcalm | Who would charge you if nobody wants to talk to you? | 08:37 |
| diddledan | exactly | 08:37 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: come to tonight's LUG. It's getting a little too quiet | 08:38 |
| diddledan | 17070 gave me the number so I could give it out to folk | 08:38 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: can't this week see email I just sent, hoping to get there next time though, what's this about interbiz ? | 08:38 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: he's got himself a job doing PostgreSQL in London. He'll be back up occasionally though | 08:40 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: :( man how is the sweetmiester going to cope now ;) | 08:41 |
| bigcalm | Those to, Amo and I went for a meal on Monday evening. All seemed well. I'm glad working for a friend and then leaving the company didn't sour things for them | 08:46 |
| bigcalm | s/to/two | 08:47 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: yeah I don't think he would of left under a cloud and I doubt adam would of been prepared to up the wages to London prices. | 08:48 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: Make a call. Wait for the bill. Call the name at the company at the top of the bill. | 08:51 |
| TwistedLucidity | Bear in mind that a lack of landline might affect your home value should you want to sell. | 08:51 |
| diddledan | TwistedLucidity: it's apparently still owned by sky - calling 150 gives a prompt that "you're through to sky. to help...." | 08:51 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: Ah. Then talk to Sky. :-) | 08:52 |
| diddledan | rented :-p | 08:52 |
| diddledan | I'm talking to them now | 08:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | Landlord? | 08:52 |
| diddledan | housing assoc | 08:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | My tenant is leaving my property and coming the city I currently live in. Ironic. | 08:53 |
| Laney | coming to exact revenge for the rat infestation? :) | 09:36 |
| MartijnVdS | *waiting for the UPS man* | 09:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | in the time it took to type that he's left a while you were out card at your front door... | 09:57 |
| MartijnVdS | zmoylan-pi: some famous people complained about that. Now they all actually try to get you to open the door for a while :) | 10:05 |
| MartijnVdS | zmoylan-pi: in case you're a celebrity xD | 10:05 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: what happens when they find out you're not a celeb? | 10:12 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: they still ask for my signature | 10:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | then they let your packages be handled by the angry gorilla department | 10:12 |
| MartijnVdS | zmoylan-pi: it's Dell's insurance paying for that I guess :P | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: we are all infamous hackers just ask our friends at GCHQ and the NSA.......biab knock at the door.........ruuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn the black vaaaaaannnnnnnnnns arrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee ccccccommmmmmmmmmminng | 10:13 |
| MartijnVdS | Vans? Oh good, then that helicopter on the horizon isn't something to worry about | 10:15 |
| diddledan | o_O | 10:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | siily davmor2, the helicopters are black the vans are white to blend in | 10:15 |
| bashrc_ | partyvan? | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: adfffffdaasslkfdjslk meow no-one here but us cats as;dflkasldkskjfdfj meow | 10:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | hmmmm, a cat acknowledging a humans existance.... seems suspect... | 10:17 |
| bashrc_ | can I remove the tinfoil yet? | 10:17 |
| * zmoylan-pi takes reading from thermometer attached to bashrc_.... no, another 20 minutes.... | 10:17 | |
| diddledan | toasty | 10:17 |
| bashrc_ | basting | 10:17 |
| awilkins | Dumb question : anyone know a code syntax highlighter that will do IRC colour sequences? | 10:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | emacs? some learning required... :-p | 10:50 |
| awilkins | I guess one of the webby ones can be mangled into doing it | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: hexchat and irssi I think are all capable with plugin's but I guess it depends on the programming language, I would assume others could too maybe look up <specific_programming_language> highlight plugin for <irc_client_of_choice> | 11:02 |
| MartijnVdS | whoa.. the laptop starts with some Ubuntu animation thing | 11:03 |
| MartijnVdS | and a tiiiiiiiny mouse cursor | 11:03 |
| awilkins | Which laptop? | 11:04 |
| MartijnVdS | xps13 | 11:04 |
| awilkins | Shiny | 11:04 |
| awilkins | Is that in BIOS or part of the boot sequence? | 11:04 |
| MartijnVdS | I think it's part of the OEM/firstboot sequence | 11:04 |
| awilkins | Hmm, it's on offer | 11:07 |
| awilkins | That's annoying, you can't change the RAM | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Or much of anything | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Just 2 editions | 11:09 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah.. I have the 8 | 11:09 |
| MartijnVdS | 8GB/512GB one, i7 | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Yeah | 11:09 |
| awilkins | That's the nice one, apart from the touchscreen | 11:09 |
| MartijnVdS | you can disable that :) | 11:09 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: matt or touch-screen? | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Anything that encourages folk to touch my screen is anaethema | 11:09 |
| MartijnVdS | it's touch.. only way to get 3200x1800 | 11:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | some people have the grubbiest hands | 11:10 |
| awilkins | I swear my boss intentionally bullies me by touching my screen and leaving marks on purpose | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: grub maintainers mostly | 11:10 |
| MartijnVdS | the letters in the vttys are so TINY | 11:10 |
| awilkins | Not sure I could cope with the teensy 11 inch form factor | 11:11 |
| awilkins | Is the keyboard a normal size or a bit cramped? | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: I don't think there are that "TINY" that would be huge if they were that size :P | 11:11 |
| MartijnVdS | keyboard feels OK | 11:12 |
| MartijnVdS | but I'm used to the XPS12 from last year for work | 11:12 |
| MartijnVdS | so.. | 11:12 |
| czajkowski | Laney: over here more UK centric conversation :) interesting to see Harman is anti Sunday trading! | 12:48 |
| * zmoylan-pi remembers when sunday shopping was gardening centres and diy only... | 12:49 | |
| czajkowski | zmoylan-pi: ah I did learn how to drive ona sunday with shopping centres being closed | 12:50 |
| czajkowski | zmoylan-pi: biggest culture shock moving to UK was shops closing so early on a Sunday | 12:50 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: I remember the diy sotres opening the gardening bits to get around the sunday laws so they could open :) | 12:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | same here, i learned in sandyford industrial estate. it was empty | 12:50 |
| shauno | I learnt to drive on the a590. not the best idea any of us ever had | 12:51 |
| diplo | Get a nexus 7 here ( my mums ) slow as hell, anyone know if a factory reset and reinstall apps may improve things? | 13:06 |
| diplo | Not really played with tablets much | 13:06 |
| popey | 2012 or 2013? | 13:06 |
| diplo | It's definitely slower once connected to the wifi though | 13:06 |
| czajkowski | popey: see pm please :) | 13:07 |
| diplo | hah that was going to be another question, how do i find that out :D | 13:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | but how many apps are trying to run while wifi is there? see task manager | 13:07 |
| popey | hold it portrait | 13:07 |
| popey | turn it round | 13:07 |
| popey | is the word "nexus" the right way up or sideways? | 13:07 |
| popey | 2012 nexus 7 is portrait, 2013 nexus 7 is landscape | 13:08 |
| diplo | Right way up | 13:08 |
| popey | has a grey edge around the tablet? | 13:08 |
| diplo | So 2012 :) | 13:08 |
| diplo | yeah | 13:08 |
| popey | yeah, 2012 | 13:08 |
| popey | they are notoriously slow | 13:08 |
| popey | Mine got a bit faster by doing a factory reflash | 13:08 |
| popey | and then re-install a small number of things | 13:08 |
| popey | but it will never be fast | 13:09 |
| popey | czajkowski: kk | 13:09 |
| diplo | ah ok thanks, will give my mum that option | 13:09 |
| MartijnVdS | 3200x1800 is so.. *drool* | 13:43 |
| === matt_____ is now known as daubers | ||
| bujji | how can i get vm | 14:22 |
| bujji | for ubuntu | 14:22 |
| diplo | Probably need to explain what you are after bujji ? | 14:24 |
| diplo | Virtualbox is virtual machine software, or kvm | 14:24 |
| bujji | ? | 14:24 |
| diplo | Or do you mean an image | 14:24 |
| bujji | virtual machine | 14:24 |
| bujji | kvm? | 14:24 |
| diplo | So you can run one with VirtualBox | 14:25 |
| MooDoo | Install virtualbox, then just install a machine as you would normally :D | 14:25 |
| bigcalm | bujji: I would suggest you start out with VirtualBox | 14:25 |
| shauno | I think you need to expand on the question, not the terminology. you tend to have incredibly vague requests which makes it difficult to answer | 14:25 |
| MooDoo | https://www.virtualbox.org/ | 14:25 |
| MooDoo | I use virtual box for my kali linux install | 14:25 |
| bujji | for ubuntu i want to install virtual box like vmware | 14:26 |
| bujji | for this i need image as well. | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | bujji: http://virtualboxes.org/images/ubuntu/ | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | http://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/ or this | 14:28 |
| awilkins | bujji, You don't need an image as well - you can just use an Ubuntu ISO and stick it in the virtual CDROM drive of your virtual machine and install it | 14:29 |
| awilkins | Or download one of those handy pre-made images | 14:29 |
| MooDoo | i don't think he wants to install just have one running :( | 14:29 |
| bujji | MooDoo:i do))) | 14:30 |
| bujji | kvm ? | 14:30 |
| awilkins | Start with Virtualbox | 14:31 |
| awilkins | It has a nice GUI and it's easy to use | 14:31 |
| shauno | if you're expecting vmware, virtualbox will be closer to what you're expecting | 14:31 |
| MooDoo | yeah kvm will do it, but that's a more advanced tool, you want one like vmware use virtualbox | 14:31 |
| MooDoo | I use it on a daily basis :D | 14:31 |
| awilkins | Yup, I keep my captive pet Windows in a Virtualbox VM | 14:32 |
| MooDoo | kali here :D | 14:32 |
| bujji | okey | 14:33 |
| awilkins | I only keep it for business reasons | 14:33 |
| awilkins | Frickin' Office | 14:33 |
| bujji | kali linux? | 14:33 |
| bujji | is that kali is a virtual box | 14:33 |
| MooDoo | bujji: it's for penetration testing | 14:33 |
| MooDoo | bujji: yes i run kali linux in a virtualbox | 14:33 |
| bujji | MooDoo:this one https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads | 14:35 |
| awilkins | That's the one | 14:35 |
| bigcalm | bujji: sudo apt-get install virtualbox | 14:35 |
| MooDoo | yes that's the one, as I'm running vivid and 64bit you download the relavent one | 14:35 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: ooooo didn't know it was packaged.....doh! | 14:36 |
| awilkins | bigcalm, the repository version is quite old | 14:36 |
| bigcalm | True, but still works | 14:36 |
| MooDoo | bujji: download it from that site | 14:36 |
| bujji | bigcalm:if i do that where i can find | 14:36 |
| MooDoo | dont't forget to downloadd VirtualBox 4.3.28 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack as well so you can get usb support | 14:37 |
| awilkins | Installs a desktop item, just open the dash and type "virtual" (presuming you use a Unity desktop) | 14:37 |
| bujji | who is working here linux admin | 14:38 |
| bujji | thank you for all your response here. | 14:39 |
| mapps | oh my | 15:21 |
| mapps | wokeup drippng in sweat again | 15:21 |
| mapps | 35c | 15:21 |
| mapps | arghh | 15:21 |
| * mapps isn't used to this weather | 15:21 | |
| diddledan | so, you know there's a crime of "perverting the course of justice"? well can we prosecute the european commission for such due to the human rights act? | 15:25 |
| shauno | how so? | 15:25 |
| diddledan | i.e. they enacted the act so we get to sue them for perverting the course of justice | 15:25 |
| diddledan | how many crims have failed to be convicted due to the human rights act now? | 15:26 |
| diddledan | surely that's perversion of justice's course, no? | 15:26 |
| mapps | hm | 15:26 |
| mapps | lots | 15:26 |
| shauno | that sounds like a rather one-sided view | 15:29 |
| awilkins | I'd prefer them to focus on the criminals who aren't even prosecuted because they work in a place with nice letterheads than the few criminals who benefit in some way from everyone having rights | 15:34 |
| shauno | I just think the UK is authoritarian enough already, without needing to go so far as to admit they're the only country in europe that believes humans have too many rights | 15:35 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| mapps | breeze from the sea is so nie | 18:06 |
| mapps | ;] | 18:06 |
| mapps | nice | 18:06 |
| DJones | Anybody know if there are any rules on how much pain I inflict on the "git" that smashed my car window to pinch an obsolete tomtom when I see them next | 18:35 |
| mapps | you know who it was?! | 18:36 |
| DJones | No, but they're caught on cctv doing it | 18:36 |
| DJones | If he gets caught at work, it won't be a pretty sight, he'll have a choice of being dropped into the molten rubber vat, or going in the oven with the remould tyres being baked | 18:38 |
| shauno | that could be messy, I'd expect humans to saponify rather than galvanize | 18:42 |
| DJones | Probably just look like a skeleton in tight scuba gear | 18:49 |
| shauno | creepiest bar of soap ever? | 18:58 |
| shauno | if you really want an IANAL, I do believe your actions can't exceed a reasonably proportional response to the threat you're facing at that time. you can't post-date it | 19:00 |
| davmor2 | DJones: no just make im pay your inflated insurance renewals for the next 10 years | 19:03 |
| DJones | shauno: It won't be post-dated, it'll be ongoing, ie they started it, we'll finish it | 19:10 |
| DJones | It'll be the same incident, just over time | 19:11 |
| popey | also, don't tell everyone what you plan on a publicly logged irc channel | 19:40 |
| popey | imo | 19:40 |
| DJones | That can be dealt with :) | 19:41 |
| DJones | ooop's they fell in the vat of boiling rubber....... | 19:41 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diddledan | ebenink | 21:04 |
| daftykins | hello sir | 21:05 |
| daftykins | what's new? | 21:05 |
| diddledan | just discovered this: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/AlexsNewsandReviews/news/?a=98494 | 21:05 |
| mapps | 8 weeks and still no bank stuff | 21:21 |
| mapps | i was told june 11th | 21:21 |
| mapps | ;D | 21:21 |
| mapps | i was told it would be 'slow' nothing gets done fast here | 21:21 |
| daftykins | hah, nice | 21:22 |
| daftykins | hey mapps instead of using those rubbish unreliable Pis of yours, you should setup a digital ocean VPS for $3/mo like i did | 21:22 |
| daftykins | super reliable, nice static IP... could run IRC on it too... | 21:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | i run irc on my pi fine... | 21:28 |
| daftykins | that's not what i said | 21:29 |
| daftykins | he uses his for a VPN endpoint :> | 21:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'm sure it's been done too on a pi | 21:30 |
| MooDoo | evening | 21:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | but the pi is a little weak on the networking side as it has a slow network port. if you have access to really great broadband it would show up | 21:33 |
| MooDoo | hmmm let me think pay money or run it for free ;) | 21:34 |
| * zmoylan-pi likes MooDoo's logic :-) | 21:34 | |
| * MooDoo is interfering sorry lol | 21:34 | |
| daftykins | well his keeps going down, so if you'd actually consider the facts here before jumping the gun... | 21:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | well if it keeps going down then he's motivated to learn more to fix it | 21:35 |
| daftykins | i don't think it's an issue with the setup software wise | 21:35 |
| MooDoo | I'm lucky I have 2 x 1u servers that have kvm on them with gluster so I can run my irc from vms on that | 21:35 |
| * zmoylan-pi is looking at replacing my oldest system (6yo slow netbook with 1gb ram) with some bargain basement special from argos before all the win10 systems come along... | 21:38 | |
| daftykins | why before? | 21:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | 1) because i won't know how easy it will be to install linux on a win10 system where i can't turn off secure boot 2) argos are end of catalog and systems are been dumped cheap :-) | 21:40 |
| daftykins | what makes you believe secure boot won't be possible to disable? | 21:41 |
| daftykins | also, seen those cheap AMD ubuntu systems on ebuyer? | 21:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | no credit card so need to walk into shop to purchase | 21:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | and win10 dropped requirement for secure boot to be able to be turned off. i suspect it will gradually be phased out so trying to snag one i can turn off for sure | 21:42 |
| daftykins | not even a debit card 0o | 21:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | nopee | 21:43 |
| daftykins | just an ATM one? | 21:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | no bank account | 21:43 |
| daftykins | wat | 21:43 |
| daftykins | so piles of cash under the mattress eh? :> | 21:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/100000-adults-in-ireland-have-no-bank-account-161470.html | 21:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | a few years back we had a minister for finance who admitted they had no bank account... | 21:45 |
| daftykins | nice | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | zmoylan-pi: get a thinkpad x220/x230 | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | probably cheaper than anything argos sells | 22:48 |
| daftykins | hmm on xubuntu the fields on this online payment form are all laid out funny and you can't click 'next' in yellow, is that the same for anyone else? http://www.gsygas.com/pay-online/ | 22:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | and does one know of a shop in dublin selling them? :-) | 22:55 |
| ali1234 | daftykins: yes but it's unlikely to be anything directly to do with xubuntu | 22:56 |
| ali1234 | daftykins: in firefox, ctrl-shift-+ until the form fits inside that brown rectangle | 22:57 |
| daftykins | nah i just stated that due to default packages present | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | it's something to do with <div> overflows or something | 22:57 |
| daftykins | ah good call, i just went into a field and hit enter, that worked too | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | possibly related to font sizes | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | "the www" | 22:58 |
| daftykins | nothing to contact them about then? :) | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | they are unlikely to fix it | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | contact them, if you like talking to a brick wall :) | 22:58 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | although, if they are a Guernsey company you might just get the CEO | 22:59 |
| daftykins | weirdly, they seem to have a call center on the isle of man O_O | 23:00 |
| daftykins | they ask you which island when calling in these days :D | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | web design company is also Guernsey | 23:00 |
| daftykins | perhaps i should test a clean profile first tum te tum | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | it works okay in chrome | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | this could actually be a firefox bug | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | <div id="rightcol"> is the culprit in any case | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | anything that completely overflows outside of it can't be interacted with | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | forcing it to shrink in chrome has the same effect so it's not a firefox bug | 23:09 |
| daftykins | ooh novel | 23:12 |
| daftykins | diddledan: seen this before? ^ | 23:12 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181791750274 | 23:54 |
| popey | cheapo | 23:54 |
| popey | they charge via usb I thought, so not having a charger isn't a biggie? | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | yeah but if they normally come with one you gotta mention it on the listing, or risk the buyer complaining to ebay | 23:58 |
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