[00:08] <zmoylan-pi> amazing grace at end of wrath of khan on bagpipes... ::sniff::
[00:09] <diddledan> I love amazing grace on bagpipes
[00:11] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[00:11] <daftykins> shauno: yeah you can't leave him out there on Genesis unfound.
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> which takes you to the voyage home...
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> then it kinda goes wrong with star trek 5
[00:12] <diddledan> really you need to see all three together
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> i like star trek 5.  but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the movies
[00:13] <shauno> man, it's amazing how many gadgets are completely ripped off from star trek
[00:13] <zmoylan-pi> then 6 with a klingon doing sheakspeare in the original klingon...
[00:14] <zmoylan-pi> well a lot of tech does come from sci fi since forever.  remember the british got radar after asking scientists was a death ray possible :-)
[00:16] <shauno> http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/david-marcus.jpg
[00:16] <shauno> tell me he's not wearing a gopro
[00:17] <shauno> and the radar thing sounds very much like urban legend ;)
[00:17] <diddledan> on his left pocket?
[00:17] <diddledan> I thought the radar thing was what the germans believed we were working on
[00:17] <shauno> yeah, the coat pocket
[00:18] <zmoylan-pi> well radar is a bit weird as everyone invented their own version. germans, british, american, japanese
[00:18] <zmoylan-pi> it was just the time to invent radar i suppose
[00:18] <diddledan> the german version had a giant wily (werewolf) flapping around in the middle of a disc
[00:19] <zmoylan-pi> look up the history of battle of the beams of radio jamming in wwii. a real geek hacker war
[00:19] <shauno> yeah.  our big step really wasn't inventing radar.  it was inventing the magnetron that made microwave radar sensible
[00:20] <shauno> which was a big deal because it's much more directional, and gives much better resolution
[00:20] <diddledan> aye giant antenna arrays weren't really very viable (despite our attempts)
[00:20] <daftykins> hmm how does one cheer up someone who lost their cat :S
[00:21] <zmoylan-pi> get them a kitten \o/
[00:21] <shauno> giant arrays work, but you can't stick them in the nose of a plane, and you can't hide them easily
[00:21] <diddledan> daftykins: mention how you loved her ****
[00:22] <shauno> which variant of lost are we talking here?  it might come back in 3 days?  or "lost"?
[00:22] <diddledan> daftykins: alternatively suggest a sexchange
[00:23] <diddledan> or is this the result of sexchange already? :-p
[00:23] <diddledan> sorry, I've got wily warewolfs on the brian
[00:23] <daftykins> had to put her down
[00:23] <diddledan> daftykins: that's not going to cheer them up much
[00:23] <shauno> ah, ok
[00:24] <daftykins> even i'm finding it upsetting :/
[00:24] <diddledan> "I'm sorry you lost your cat, this will scratch a little and then you'll forget" :-p
[00:24] <daftykins> mmm need the Men in Black flashy thing
[00:24] <diddledan> :-(
[00:24] <shauno> I was just gonna suggest that a kitten's maybe not a great idea if it's tv-remote lost.  if it's grandma-lost it's .. well less bad
[00:24] <diddledan> might be too soon
[00:25] <shauno> er, less bad an idea that is.  (trying to avoid ever calling it a good idea though)
[00:25] <daftykins> ah there's still one more cat
[00:25] <daftykins> i don't think this friend digging the grave herself was too touching a move by family
[00:26] <diddledan> grr
[00:26] <diddledan> that's sucky :-(
[00:29] <daftykins> mmm, very challenging one
[00:30] <daftykins> i've not had to deal with others emotions before really o0
[00:49] <shauno> hm.  where am I gonna find a drill at 2am
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> your neighbours are hoping you don't get a good answer to that question
[00:51] <diddledan> shauno: had a tip-off that the feds are on their way and need to destroy your hard disks?
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> for that you use a fubar
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> or make your own thermite
[00:51]  * diddledan out-foos zmoylan-pi 
[00:52] <shauno> or a microwave, since it's 2015 so you've obviously ssd'd all the things
[00:52] <diddledan> I'll see your foo and raise you one
[00:52] <diddledan> SSD makes data too easy to destroy
[00:52] <shauno> (or if you really want to make sure, samsung firmware ..)
[00:52] <diddledan> for the criminal that's a good thing. for the rest of us it's a bit eep
[00:53] <diddledan> I heard about that but didn't actually hear what the problem was or work out whether mine is affected
[00:53] <daftykins> shauno: that's only one model :P
[00:53] <popey> ahhhh
[00:54] <daftykins> and anyone sensible who read about TLC knew it wasn't worth the risk
[00:54] <popey> that moment when you discover the reason for a bug
[00:54] <popey> I can sleep now
[00:54] <daftykins> eureka? :D
[00:54] <popey> just a bit
[00:54] <diddledan> popey: stay awake like the rest of us vampres
[00:54] <diddledan> vampires*
[00:54] <daftykins> you folk work in dev jobs, why does my friends company make her do mind numbing performance reviews o0
[00:55] <diddledan> oh those suck
[00:55] <shauno> most likely her company is too big
[00:55] <daftykins> and why does it seem like a total skive for the managers, vs. actually doing something sane
[00:55] <diddledan> I have to do my own now, I guess, because I'm freelance
[00:55] <daftykins> hehe
[00:55] <daftykins> shauno: yeah, Pros if they're well known
[00:55] <daftykins> seem to be quite worldwide
[00:56] <diddledan> so, dan, how has your quarter been? are you performing well? <-- yes. --> well done. carry on.
[00:56] <daftykins> nah you have to pick fault with yourself too :P
[00:56] <popey> spot the difference
[00:56] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211045350/screenshot20150708_014157276.png
[00:56] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211045409/screenshot20150708_014208399.png
[00:56] <shauno> that's usually the easy bit ;)
[00:57] <diddledan> pick fault. hmm: "you forgot to put the loo seat down yesterday. don't do it again."
[00:57] <popey> focus eye on the bit that says "BLUE" but is in fact Red. :)
[00:57] <ahayzen> lol
[00:58] <diddledan> popey: isn't that "blue" actually "canonical orange"?
[00:58] <popey> hah
[00:58] <shauno> and the red that's quite pink-leaning
[00:58] <popey> yeah, tempted to just get rid of that theme and use the one that works
[00:58] <popey> where the colours are actually what they say they are
[00:58] <daftykins> popey: ah-ha, you've had my colourblind mate designing things!
[00:58] <popey> haha
[00:59] <popey> anyway, bug marked "bitesize" and I'm off to bed
[00:59] <popey> ta-ra night owls
[00:59] <daftykins> poor lad, he watched the Green Lantern film and didn't have a clue that the enemy was yellow, looked the same to him
[00:59] <shauno> have you ever asked a colour-blind person how they handle traffic lights?
[00:59] <daftykins> nn \o
[00:59] <daftykins> shauno: with gloves like any other sane person
[00:59] <daftykins> ;)
[00:59] <diddledan> lol
[00:59] <diddledan> green lantern. lol.
[01:00] <shauno> I had someone explain to me that he stops on brown and goes on brown. made me rather nervous about driving with him
[01:00] <daftykins> :D
[01:02] <shauno> our performance review thing actually did something sensible last year.  I'd be very surprised if it survives
[01:02] <daftykins> :D
[01:02] <shauno> they polled other people for performance reviews
[01:03] <shauno> we still had to dance through all the stupid questions, but it was quite nice to have "everyone loves shaun .. except his managers"  instead of just "shaun's managers hate him"
[01:05] <daftykins> :D
[01:06] <shauno> okay, I swear this klingon is doc brown
[01:06] <diddledan> ok. so ssd firmware bug was never in production units?
[01:06] <daftykins> shauno: one is!
[01:06] <diddledan> what's all the hullabaloo then
[01:07] <daftykins> diddledan: which is this?
[01:07] <diddledan> samsung evo
[01:07] <daftykins> there been a story today?
[01:07] <diddledan> no the one that shauno mentioned earlier
[01:07] <daftykins> there was totally the performance degradation issue ongoing for months
[01:07] <diddledan> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6503/second-update-on-samsung-ssd-840840-pro-failures
[01:08] <daftykins> oh yeah that one never got out
[01:08] <daftykins> that's not even worthy of consideration
[01:08] <shauno> that's 2012
[01:08] <diddledan> i.e. he said (paraphrased) "if you want your data killed, use a samsung drive"
[01:08] <daftykins> yeah that hasn't happened
[01:09] <diddledan> shauno: do you know a more-recent firmware issue on samsung drives that I should be concerned about then?
[01:09] <daftykins> 840 EVOs lose the electron charge threshold slowly down performance hugely as it becomes harder to read the values stored within cells
[01:10] <diddledan> really?
[01:10] <daftykins> oops that was badly worded
[01:10] <diddledan> is there actual evidence of that causing data loss?
[01:10] <shauno> I think NCQ was the one I was making jokes about
[01:10] <daftykins> no word on data loss, just things crawl to a halt for having to go back and repeatedly retry reading cells
[01:11] <shauno> there was an issue with some drives reporting that they supported NCQ when they didn't
[01:11] <daftykins> Samsung have a second newest firmware and a maintenance app that goes over a drive and essentially rewrites it all
[01:11] <shauno> which wasn't an issue because no-one else supported NCQ.  until linux implemented sata 3.1.
[01:12] <daftykins> hmm
[01:12] <shauno> (and another bug where linux tried to use NCQ to trim to the wrong blocks.  I think these were a bad combination)
[01:12] <daftykins> i think all sandforce controller based SSDs have had far worse woes
[01:16] <zmoylan-pi> so what sort of support do these drives have on linux for updates/utilities?
[01:17] <daftykins> bootable ISOs for firmware
[01:17] <zmoylan-pi> not too shabby then
[01:17] <daftykins> and nothing for the utilities afaik
[01:18] <daftykins> OCZ used to have these neat minimal GUI Linux live ISOs that would boot, connect to the internet then query your SSD and update it in one hit
[01:18] <daftykins> not sure that's still around since Toshiba bought their SSD portion
[01:22] <zmoylan-pi> i'll stick with spinny drives then
[01:23] <daftykins> you're missing out
[01:23] <zmoylan-pi> i'll stick with what i trust
[01:24] <daftykins> the performance gains will give you so much more free time :D
[01:24] <daftykins> and oooh the silence
[01:24] <daftykins> plus you can start flinging laptops around without worrying
[01:24] <zmoylan-pi> i like the noise of a drive.  i can hear problems develop and make sure my backups are ready
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> my hearing is excellent at high frequency,  even in my 40s
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> i can still hear mice and bats
[01:26] <daftykins> but you should backup on a schedule!
[01:26] <daftykins> :>
[01:26] <zmoylan-pi> i do that to but sometimes you hear a drive make a noise that makes your paranoia do one early
[01:29] <daftykins> i'll feel happier once i get that new UPS battery in
[01:30] <daftykins> don't really get powercuts over here so much as the 90s though
[01:30] <zmoylan-pi> grew up in a house a few doors down from a hospital, till they changed our area in 80s we never saw a power cut
[01:31] <daftykins> impressive
[01:34] <shauno> I think I'm getting old.  I got one of those plastic drawer/tray things with all the tiny organizing compartments.  and it's pretty much my favourite toy right now
[01:34] <diddledan> lmao
[01:35] <daftykins> then where's the pic?!
[01:35] <diddledan> shauno: you're a grandad now. even if not biologically
[01:35] <zmoylan-pi> i have loads of those :-)
[01:36] <zmoylan-pi> one in most bags that i use.  filled with lots of odds and sods
[01:47] <shauno> I think I'll go take a nap after this coffee
[01:48] <zmoylan-pi> nap... after coffee... you're coffee's broken
[01:48] <zmoylan-pi> *your
[01:48] <daftykins> i don't feel like the stuff does much to me
[01:50] <shauno> I think I'm pretty much imune at this point
[01:50] <daftykins> you could go on a detox and get your tolerance lowered!
[01:50] <daftykins> :>
[01:51] <shauno> it used to work.  I still have fond memories of trying to prove that the FDA's overdose limit was nonsense
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> my mother used to get though 18 cups of tea a day, when she stopped she had massive headaches for months
[01:56] <shauno> 40 shots of espresso in one sitting is still my record
[01:56] <shauno> I'm convinced we could have managed more, but my boss's wife sent me home for "talking to the customers"
[01:57] <shauno> I'm now so boring that I fear that'll forever be one of my proudest moments
[02:00] <daftykins> ;_;
[02:00] <daftykins> you need to get on some bucket list items! :)
[02:00] <daftykins> bah, HTPC spontaneously booted again
[02:02] <shauno> I'm working on it :)  had my first sailing list in may, and I'm racing in cowes week next month.  that's been a pretty major "get off my ass"
[02:03] <daftykins> :O
[02:03] <daftykins> did your bottom bracket tool come yet? :>
[02:04] <shauno> haven't ordered it yet.  I'm away all next week, so I figure I'll wait till I get back
[02:04] <shauno> else knowing my luck, it'll arrive while I'm gone and everything will go wrong
[02:04] <diddledan> also, after curry, has your bottom bracket ever fallen out?
[02:05] <diddledan> of course, I'm now wondering what a "bottom bracket tool" is for. some kind of sodomistic things?
[02:06] <shauno> the closest I can get to answering that, is "the day after taking the Curry Hell Challenge in Newcastle, I flew on an ATR all the way from Newcastle to Dublin.  That was not clever."
[02:06] <diddledan> lol
[02:06] <daftykins> :D
[02:06] <daftykins> we have ATRs over here!
[02:07] <daftykins> our mate is being made to go back to one to do his Captaincy
[02:07] <shauno> nothing "fell out", but as it flapped around on the wind trying to land, I did not feel fantastic at all
[02:07] <diddledan> one of these? http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/2/7/1757727.jpg
[02:07] <shauno> yes  lol
[02:08] <shauno> I miss aer arann.  they did all kinds of stupid little routes on those
[02:09] <shauno> I guess they still do, since they've been subsumed into aer lingus.  but they don't come to galway anymore, which ruined it for me.  if I have to go all the way to a real airport, I might as well get on a real plane
[02:10] <daftykins> they're huge, what you want is... http://www.alderneypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/g-joey2.jpg
[02:10] <daftykins> :D
[02:11] <daftykins> those suckers are true 'air taxis'
[02:11] <shauno> that engine on the tail looks very .. kerbal
[02:11] <diddledan> lol
[02:11] <diddledan> I think it must have been designed by an aussie
[02:11] <daftykins> when banked 45 degrees to the side of the island, everyone including the sole pilot is staring out the side at the island :>
[02:11] <shauno> we have something similar to that, but without the kerbal'd engine - http://img.rasset.ie/0008cd59-642.jpg
[02:12] <diddledan> "that tail looks boring, mate, shove an engine up there!"
[02:12] <daftykins> once, a passenger noticed a tire was flat - so he tapped the pilot on the shoulder and he went "oh dear" and landed on a beach instead
[02:13] <shauno> I keep meaning to try one of these out to the islands, just because I'm a nerd.  but I can never figure out how to plan it
[02:14] <daftykins> you could come visit!
[02:14] <daftykins> :P
[02:14] <shauno> if I go out on the ferry, I can wake up that morning, look out the window and go "nahhh".  if I fly, I have to book it the day before and pray for the weather
[02:15] <shauno> I meant the islands here ;)
[02:15] <daftykins> hmm think we can book same day in person here
[02:15] <daftykins> oh i know :P
[02:15] <daftykins> but how could you possibly pass up riding in Joey
[02:15] <daftykins> i mean he even has his own comic books
[02:15] <shauno> "comfortably, from a distance"
[02:15] <shauno> which reminds me
[02:16] <shauno> diddledan: I wasn't kidding about being in southampton next month  lol
[02:16] <diddledan> yeah, but I'm a hermit
[02:16] <diddledan> :-p
[02:16] <daftykins> have you guys crossed paths before given your lengthy exposure over the aye-arr-seas?
[02:17] <daftykins> or do you both know better :D
[02:17] <shauno> nah
[02:17] <diddledan> it might be dangerous
[02:17] <shauno> I don't go back to the UK often, because it's boring and expensive
[02:17] <diddledan> you know, same time, same place and all that
[02:17] <shauno> and dan doesn't go Outside often, because he's lost the front door key
[02:17] <diddledan> lol
[02:18] <diddledan> yeah, I've got a rope out the window for deliveries
[02:18] <diddledan> luckily no fires yet, so I've not needed to go that route myself
[02:18] <shauno> oh man.  I've had a delivery guy offer to try to bung the parcel in an upstairs window before
[02:18] <diddledan> lmao
[02:19] <diddledan> "stay there, I'll chuck it"
[02:19] <shauno> nah, he called me because I wasn't home
[02:19] <diddledan> aah
[02:19] <diddledan> "stay there, I'll chuck it"
[02:19] <shauno> he seemed pretty convinced he could get it in the open window.  but upstairs isn't my house
[02:19] <diddledan> :-p
[02:19] <diddledan> lol
[02:19] <diddledan> that kinda puts a downer on it
[02:21] <diddledan> ok, so the huffington post have a story that the MI5 foiled "al qaeda's most ambitious plot" because london got bombed
[02:21] <diddledan> kinda a bit of a "well on the one hand, many deaths. but good news, we caught some other dudes"£
[02:23] <daftykins> as in they were off doing one job and couldn't focus on averting the bombings in London?
[02:23] <diddledan> I don't really know
[02:24] <diddledan> it sounds like "we let them bomb london so we could catch someone"
[02:24] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:26] <diddledan> quote: Mr Parker said: "I’m not sure we would have detected it without the uplift that followed 7/7."
[02:26] <diddledan> so paraphrasing "see, we told you we need to invade your privacy!"
[02:27] <diddledan> I'm not sure "increased surveilance" counts as an "uplift" either
[02:27] <shauno> how cute, you still think you have privacy :p
[02:27] <diddledan> but I'm a liberal I guess
[02:28] <diddledan> shauno: at least with facebook I know I'm getting rear-ended and have accepted it. government is doing it without me bending over and saying "have at it" first
[02:28] <shauno> oh I know.  it's both sad and hilarious.
[02:28] <diddledan> sorry, family friendly!
[02:28] <diddledan> m00. erm, I mean Guest00
[02:29]  * diddledan wonders whether Guest97090 is actually here or if that was random disconnections
[02:30] <daftykins> i thought the uplift was a thing my mates just booked at the bikepark in Wales
[02:30] <shauno> that just makes it sound like they got a boost in resources that they found useful
[02:30] <shauno> but in the context of their current whines that they can't decode my phone .. hah
[02:31] <diddledan> tony blair: "we are not going to allow anyone to excuse themselves by saying the slaughter of totally innocent people is somehow a response to any decision by any government." <-- so invading iraq is out of the question then?
[02:31] <zmoylan-pi> been pr in mi5 is great, you can just make stuff up and when asked say we can't provide any details because of security
[02:33] <shauno> I'm curious what'd happen if people start to subpoena the intelligence services for their defense
[02:34] <diddledan> in other news, the RMT have succeeded where al qaeda failed. london will be brought to a standstill for a whole 24 hours starting from 18:30 tomorrow
[02:34] <zmoylan-pi> they'll just pass a law saying they can ignore a subpoena
[02:34] <shauno> I mean, can I use gchq as my alibi?
[02:35] <diddledan> shauno: you need to include lots of speculation about ongoing projects that need to be classified
[02:35] <shauno> lol, I'm more thinking of perfectly sensible stuff
[02:35] <shauno> "I was in x place at y time.  the crown has records of this.  the crown is prosecuting."
[02:35] <zmoylan-pi> project bogroll, a real clean up job
[02:36] <diddledan> shauno: so. getting the government to submit data from gchq on the basis that gchq is part of the prosecution's enterprise and therefore fair game for evidence requests?
[02:37] <shauno> I'm not sure it has to work, it just has to stick a question in the jury's mind.  the whole 'reasonable doubt' thing
[02:37] <zmoylan-pi> remember the oversight for gchq is a small bunch of politicians who gchq probably have evidence of various illegal acts
[02:37] <diddledan> doesn't reasonable doubt only cover murd0r?
[02:38] <shauno> it's meant to be any trial.  it's near impossible to prove absolutes.  you just have to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt'
[02:38] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: sounds like one of the seasons of nikita
[02:39] <shauno> I just find it interesting that the crown can use gchq against you, but can withold evidence that might support you
[02:39] <diddledan> it's a good thought
[02:39] <diddledan> I don't suppose we'll ever find out the answer until one of us gets solicited
[02:40] <shauno> well
[02:40] <shauno> you, basically.  zmoylan-pi, daftykins and myself aren't in the UK :)
[02:40] <zmoylan-pi> the answer is it's nonsense, a complete waste of money and resources and undermines democracy
[02:40] <zmoylan-pi> yet gchq spies on ireland a fair bit
[02:40] <zmoylan-pi> much good that it did them
[02:41] <shauno> sure, but they likely won't show up in court here :)
[02:41] <daftykins> did i show you guys our leaders? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ssv1o5dat6tx74g/IMG_20150706_182942.jpg?dl=0
[02:41] <zmoylan-pi> not exactly true, they did provide evidence to the gardai when it suited them to get people convicted here
[02:42] <zmoylan-pi> wether the evidince was real or manufactured is left to the readers opinion
[02:43] <diddledan> daftykins: the cow?
[02:43] <diddledan> maybe that should read "the cow!"
[02:44] <daftykins> both!
[02:44] <daftykins> Guernsey Golds, them
[02:44] <diddledan> nvidia are going into fast food? "nvidia hopes to sell more chips by bringing ai programming to the masses"
[02:45] <diddledan> I guess nvidia's idea is "people can build and program a robot to come to our takeaway restaurant to buy chips"
[02:52] <diddledan> kiddy fiddler might not go to prison because he'll be unable to fiddle kids: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-could-dodge-jail-because-6018730
[02:52] <diddledan> that's a paraphrase btw
[02:53] <daftykins> i had a feeling there were no child musicians in the story
[02:56] <diddledan> ok, so it's actually his pacemaker that "needs" wifi. he'll just use it anyway
[02:57] <diddledan> I fail to understand why a pacemaker would "need" wifi, and also how it would connect when the network is secured with a key
[02:57] <diddledan> and what happens when he goes on holiday?
[02:58] <diddledan> or, god forbid, leave his home wifi-network's range to get a pint of milk (or drop by the local school)
[03:00] <zmoylan-pi> they can bung him in low security place with heavily restricted wifi
[03:01] <zmoylan-pi> 2400baud wifi should be fast enough :-)
[03:03] <shauno> probably much more sane to have an outbound policy limited by host
[03:07] <zmoylan-pi> you see mobile phones popular with prisoners sold in dublin all over the place. http://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/beat-the-boss-phones/
[03:31] <diddledan> really unmetered bandwidth? http://www.libsyn.com/podcast-hosting-services/
[03:32] <diddledan> (I was nosing to see what a particular podcast used to drive their, rather naff, webpage)
[03:32] <diddledan> i.e. these guys: http://surfacesmiths.com
[03:33] <diddledan> they were linked by Gabe Aul in a mass-email I received
[03:33] <diddledan> oh no, looks like I found them on his twatter feed
[03:35] <diddledan> or not, actually it was the windows insider twit
[03:44] <diddledan> I wish I could make musics
[03:44] <diddledan> I'm not arty tho
[03:45] <zmoylan-pi> karaoke to punish the universe for not making you musical :-p
[03:45] <diddledan> that would be too evil
[03:45] <diddledan> my singing is worse than my music creation ability
[04:05] <zmoylan-pi> you need... microsoft songsmith... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E
[04:08] <diddledan> lol I remember that
[04:15] <diddledan> wow, I won a whole £6 last night on the eurolotto
[05:20] <mapps> morning
[05:33] <diddledan> morning
[05:33] <diddledan> how goes?
[05:33] <diddledan> still "stupid hot"?
[05:33] <diddledan> it's cooled down a bit here
[05:34] <mapps> atm its ok
[05:34] <mapps> but 36c at 5p
[05:34] <mapps> m
[05:34] <diddledan> eep
[05:34] <mapps> is gonna be tough lol
[05:35] <diddledan> ooh, a new movie has appeared in my collection: survivor: stars milla jovovich and pierce bosnan
[05:35] <diddledan> still got moar csi:cyber to watch, too
[05:36] <mapps> ;D
[05:36] <mapps> i watched spy ..decent enough
[05:36] <diddledan> yeah?
[05:36] <diddledan> I like the look of that
[05:36] <mapps> ya considering jason statham and that woman
[05:36] <mapps> both normally in rubbish films imo
[05:36] <diddledan> lol
[05:37] <diddledan> jason statham is the new steven segal
[05:38] <mapps> yea
[05:39] <mapps> he was funny in spy tho :)
[05:49] <diddledan> time for episode 8 of csi:cyber. entitled "Selfie 2.0"
[05:49] <mapps> heh
[05:49] <mapps> what a title
[05:49] <diddledan> eep @ manky body in the first scene
[05:50] <diddledan> she doesn't look very well
[05:50] <diddledan> might be a slight touch of dehydration
[07:11] <MooDoo> morning
[07:13] <diddledan> m00
[08:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:13] <bashrc_> morning
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:31] <popey> blimey
[08:31]  * popey checks the time
[08:32] <diddledan> yey for bt shenanigans
[08:32] <bigcalm> :P
[08:34]  * davmor2 picks himself up off the floor, bigcalm dude are you okay, you know it's like really the morning ;)
[08:35] <bigcalm> Yeah... I'm trying to ease myself into work today. Haven't found my mojo yet
[08:35] <diddledan> had a line with sky which I've cancelled in favour of no landline. phone line is still active, with a new number. sky won't talk to me because I'm no longer a sky customer. bt won't talk to me because I'm not a bt customer. openreach won't talk to me because I'm not a service provider. all I want is for my landline to be killed!
[08:36] <bigcalm> Free phone calls?
[08:36] <diddledan> bigcalm: that's what I'm wondering
[08:36] <diddledan> if I use it do I get charged? if not who does?
[08:37] <bigcalm> Who would charge you if nobody wants to talk to you?
[08:37] <diddledan> exactly
[08:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: come to tonight's LUG. It's getting a little too quiet
[08:38] <diddledan> 17070 gave me the number so I could give it out to folk
[08:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: can't this week see email I just sent, hoping to get there next time though, what's this about interbiz ?
[08:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: he's got himself a job doing PostgreSQL in London. He'll be back up occasionally though
[08:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: :(  man how is the sweetmiester going to cope now ;)
[08:46] <bigcalm> Those to, Amo and I went for a meal on Monday evening. All seemed well. I'm glad working for a friend and then leaving the company didn't sour things for them
[08:47] <bigcalm> s/to/two
[08:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah I don't think he would of left under a cloud and I doubt adam would of been prepared to up the wages to London prices.
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Make a call. Wait for the bill. Call the name at the company at the top of the bill.
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Bear in mind that a lack of landline might affect your home value should you want to sell.
[08:51] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: it's apparently still owned by sky - calling 150 gives a prompt that "you're through to sky. to help...."
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Ah. Then talk to Sky. :-)
[08:52] <diddledan> rented :-p
[08:52] <diddledan> I'm talking to them now
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> Landlord?
[08:52] <diddledan> housing assoc
[08:53] <TwistedLucidity> My tenant is leaving my property and coming the city I currently live in. Ironic.
[09:36] <Laney> coming to exact revenge for the rat infestation? :)
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> *waiting for the UPS man*
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> in the time it took to type that he's left a while you were out card at your front door...
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: some famous people complained about that. Now they all actually try to get you to open the door for a while :)
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: in case you're a celebrity xD
[10:12] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: what happens when they find out you're not a celeb?
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: they still ask for my signature
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> then they let your packages be handled by the angry gorilla department
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: it's Dell's insurance paying for that I guess :P
[10:13] <davmor2> diddledan: we are all infamous hackers just ask our friends at GCHQ and the NSA.......biab knock at the door.........ruuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn the black vaaaaaannnnnnnnnns arrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee ccccccommmmmmmmmmminng
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> Vans? Oh good, then that helicopter on the horizon isn't something to worry about
[10:15] <diddledan> o_O
[10:15] <zmoylan-pi> siily davmor2, the helicopters are black the vans are white to blend in
[10:15] <bashrc_> partyvan?
[10:16] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: adfffffdaasslkfdjslk meow no-one here but us cats as;dflkasldkskjfdfj meow
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmm, a cat acknowledging a humans existance.... seems suspect...
[10:17] <bashrc_> can I remove the tinfoil yet?
[10:17]  * zmoylan-pi takes reading from thermometer attached to bashrc_.... no, another 20 minutes....
[10:17] <diddledan> toasty
[10:17] <bashrc_> basting
[10:50] <awilkins> Dumb question : anyone know a code syntax highlighter that will do IRC colour sequences?
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> emacs? some learning required... :-p
[10:59] <awilkins> I guess one of the webby ones can be mangled into doing it
[11:02] <davmor2> awilkins:  hexchat and irssi I think are all capable with plugin's but I guess it depends on the programming language, I would assume others could too maybe look up <specific_programming_language> highlight plugin for <irc_client_of_choice>
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. the laptop starts with some Ubuntu animation thing
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> and a tiiiiiiiny mouse cursor
[11:04] <awilkins> Which laptop?
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> xps13
[11:04] <awilkins> Shiny
[11:04] <awilkins> Is that in BIOS or part of the boot sequence?
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> I think it's part of the OEM/firstboot sequence
[11:07] <awilkins> Hmm, it's on offer
[11:09] <awilkins> That's annoying, you can't change the RAM
[11:09] <awilkins> Or much of anything
[11:09] <awilkins> Just 2 editions
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> yeah.. I have the 8
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> 8GB/512GB one, i7
[11:09] <awilkins> Yeah
[11:09] <awilkins> That's the nice one, apart from the touchscreen
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> you can disable that :)
[11:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: matt or touch-screen?
[11:09] <awilkins> Anything that encourages folk to touch my screen is anaethema
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> it's touch.. only way to get 3200x1800
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> some people have the grubbiest hands
[11:10] <awilkins> I swear my boss intentionally bullies me by touching my screen and leaving marks on purpose
[11:10] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: grub maintainers mostly
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> the letters in the vttys are so TINY
[11:11] <awilkins> Not sure I could cope with the teensy 11 inch form factor
[11:11] <awilkins> Is the keyboard a normal size or a bit cramped?
[11:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I don't think there are that "TINY" that would be huge if they were that size :P
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> keyboard feels OK
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> but I'm used to the XPS12 from last year for work
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> so..
[12:48] <czajkowski> Laney: over here more UK centric conversation :) interesting to see Harman is anti Sunday trading!
[12:49]  * zmoylan-pi remembers when sunday shopping was gardening centres and diy only...
[12:50] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: ah I did learn how to drive ona  sunday with shopping centres being closed
[12:50] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: biggest culture shock moving to UK was shops closing so early on a Sunday
[12:50] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I remember the diy sotres opening the gardening bits to get around the sunday laws so they could open :)
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> same here, i learned in sandyford industrial estate.  it was empty
[12:51] <shauno> I learnt to drive on the a590.  not the best idea any of us ever had
[13:06] <diplo> Get a nexus 7 here ( my mums ) slow as hell, anyone know if a factory reset and reinstall apps may improve things?
[13:06] <diplo> Not really played with tablets much
[13:06] <popey> 2012 or 2013?
[13:06] <diplo> It's definitely slower once connected to the wifi though
[13:07] <czajkowski> popey: see pm please :)
[13:07] <diplo> hah that was going to be another question, how do i find that out :D
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> but how many apps are trying to run while wifi is there?  see task manager
[13:07] <popey> hold it portrait
[13:07] <popey> turn it round
[13:07] <popey> is the word "nexus" the right way up or sideways?
[13:08] <popey> 2012 nexus 7 is portrait, 2013 nexus 7 is landscape
[13:08] <diplo> Right way up
[13:08] <popey> has a grey edge around the tablet?
[13:08] <diplo> So 2012 :)
[13:08] <diplo> yeah
[13:08] <popey> yeah, 2012
[13:08] <popey> they are notoriously slow
[13:08] <popey> Mine got a bit faster by doing a factory reflash
[13:08] <popey> and then re-install a small number of things
[13:09] <popey> but it will never be fast
[13:09] <popey> czajkowski: kk
[13:09] <diplo> ah ok thanks, will give my mum that option
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> 3200x1800 is so.. *drool*
[14:22] <bujji> how can i get vm
[14:22] <bujji> for ubuntu
[14:24] <diplo> Probably need to explain what you are after bujji ?
[14:24] <diplo> Virtualbox is virtual machine software, or kvm
[14:24] <bujji> ?
[14:24] <diplo> Or do you mean an image
[14:24] <bujji> virtual machine
[14:24] <bujji> kvm?
[14:25] <diplo> So you can run one with VirtualBox
[14:25] <MooDoo> Install virtualbox, then just install a machine as you would normally :D
[14:25] <bigcalm> bujji: I would suggest you start out with VirtualBox
[14:25] <shauno> I think you need to expand on the question, not the terminology.  you tend to have incredibly vague requests which makes it difficult to answer
[14:25] <MooDoo> https://www.virtualbox.org/
[14:25] <MooDoo> I use virtual box for my kali linux install
[14:26] <bujji> for ubuntu i want to install virtual box like vmware
[14:27] <bujji> for this i need image as well.
[14:27] <MooDoo> bujji: http://virtualboxes.org/images/ubuntu/
[14:28] <MooDoo> http://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/ or this
[14:29] <awilkins> bujji, You don't need an image as well - you can just use an Ubuntu ISO and stick it in the virtual CDROM drive of your virtual machine and install it
[14:29] <awilkins> Or download one of those handy pre-made images
[14:29] <MooDoo> i don't think he wants to install just have one running :(
[14:30] <bujji> MooDoo:i do)))
[14:30] <bujji> kvm ?
[14:31] <awilkins> Start with Virtualbox
[14:31] <awilkins> It has a nice GUI and it's easy to use
[14:31] <shauno> if you're expecting vmware, virtualbox will be closer to what you're expecting
[14:31] <MooDoo> yeah kvm will do it, but that's a more advanced tool, you want one like vmware use virtualbox
[14:31] <MooDoo> I use it on a daily basis :D
[14:32] <awilkins> Yup, I keep my captive pet Windows in a Virtualbox VM
[14:32] <MooDoo> kali here :D
[14:33] <bujji> okey
[14:33] <awilkins> I only keep it for business reasons
[14:33] <awilkins> Frickin' Office
[14:33] <bujji> kali linux?
[14:33] <bujji> is that kali is a virtual box
[14:33] <MooDoo> bujji: it's for penetration testing
[14:33] <MooDoo> bujji: yes i run kali linux in a virtualbox
[14:35] <bujji> MooDoo:this one https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[14:35] <awilkins> That's the one
[14:35] <bigcalm> bujji: sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[14:35] <MooDoo> yes that's the one, as I'm running vivid and 64bit you download the relavent one
[14:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: ooooo didn't know it was packaged.....doh!
[14:36] <awilkins> bigcalm, the repository version is quite old
[14:36] <bigcalm> True, but still works
[14:36] <MooDoo> bujji: download it from that site
[14:36] <bujji> bigcalm:if i do that where i can find
[14:37] <MooDoo> dont't forget to downloadd VirtualBox 4.3.28 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack as well so you can get usb support
[14:37] <awilkins> Installs a desktop item, just open the dash and type "virtual" (presuming you use a Unity desktop)
[14:38] <bujji> who is working here linux admin
[14:39] <bujji> thank you for all your response here.
[15:21] <mapps> oh my
[15:21] <mapps> wokeup drippng in sweat again
[15:21] <mapps> 35c
[15:21] <mapps> arghh
[15:21]  * mapps isn't used to this weather
[15:25] <diddledan> so, you know there's a crime of "perverting the course of justice"? well can we prosecute the european commission for such due to the human rights act?
[15:25] <shauno> how so?
[15:25] <diddledan> i.e. they enacted the act so we get to sue them for perverting the course of justice
[15:26] <diddledan> how many crims have failed to be convicted due to the human rights act now?
[15:26] <diddledan> surely that's perversion of justice's course, no?
[15:26] <mapps> hm
[15:26] <mapps> lots
[15:29] <shauno> that sounds like a rather one-sided view
[15:34] <awilkins> I'd prefer them to focus on the criminals who aren't even prosecuted because they work in a place with nice letterheads than the few criminals who benefit in some way from everyone having rights
[15:35] <shauno> I just think the UK is authoritarian enough already, without needing to go so far as to admit they're the only country in europe that believes humans have too many rights
[18:06] <mapps> breeze from the sea is so nie
[18:06] <mapps> ;]
[18:06] <mapps> nice
[18:35] <DJones> Anybody know if there are any rules on how much pain I inflict on the "git" that smashed my car window to pinch an obsolete tomtom when I see them next
[18:36] <mapps> you know who it was?!
[18:36] <DJones> No, but they're caught on cctv doing it
[18:38] <DJones> If he gets caught at work, it won't be a pretty sight, he'll have a choice of being dropped into the molten rubber vat, or going in the oven with the remould tyres being baked
[18:42] <shauno> that could be messy, I'd expect humans to saponify rather than galvanize
[18:49] <DJones> Probably just look like a skeleton in tight scuba gear
[18:58] <shauno> creepiest bar of soap ever?
[19:00] <shauno> if you really want an IANAL, I do believe your actions can't exceed a reasonably proportional response to the threat you're facing at that time.  you can't post-date it
[19:03] <davmor2> DJones: no just make im pay your inflated insurance renewals for the next 10 years
[19:10] <DJones> shauno: It won't be post-dated, it'll be ongoing, ie they started it, we'll finish it
[19:11] <DJones> It'll be the same incident,  just over time
[19:40] <popey> also, don't tell everyone what you plan on a publicly logged irc channel
[19:40] <popey> imo
[19:41] <DJones> That can be dealt with :)
[19:41] <DJones> ooop's they fell in the vat of boiling rubber.......
[21:04] <diddledan> ebenink
[21:05] <daftykins> hello sir
[21:05] <daftykins> what's new?
[21:05] <diddledan> just discovered this: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/AlexsNewsandReviews/news/?a=98494
[21:21] <mapps> 8 weeks and still no bank stuff
[21:21] <mapps> i was told june 11th
[21:21] <mapps> ;D
[21:21] <mapps> i was told it would be 'slow' nothing gets done fast here
[21:22] <daftykins> hah, nice
[21:22] <daftykins> hey mapps instead of using those rubbish unreliable Pis of yours, you should setup a digital ocean VPS for $3/mo like i did
[21:22] <daftykins> super reliable, nice static IP... could run IRC on it too...
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> i run irc on my pi fine...
[21:29] <daftykins> that's not what i said
[21:29] <daftykins> he uses his for a VPN endpoint :>
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure it's been done too on a pi
[21:32] <MooDoo> evening
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> but the pi is a little weak on the networking side as it has a slow network port.  if you have access to really great broadband it would show up
[21:34] <MooDoo> hmmm let me think pay money or run it for free ;)
[21:34]  * zmoylan-pi likes MooDoo's logic :-)
[21:34]  * MooDoo is interfering sorry lol
[21:34] <daftykins> well his keeps going down, so if you'd actually consider the facts here before jumping the gun...
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> well if it keeps going down then he's motivated to learn more to fix it
[21:35] <daftykins> i don't think it's an issue with the setup software wise
[21:35] <MooDoo> I'm lucky I have 2 x 1u servers that have kvm on them with gluster so I can run my irc from vms on that
[21:38]  * zmoylan-pi is looking at replacing my oldest system (6yo slow netbook with 1gb ram) with some bargain basement special from argos before all the win10 systems come along...
[21:39] <daftykins> why before?
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> 1) because i won't know how easy it will be to install linux on a win10 system where i can't turn off secure boot 2) argos are end of catalog and systems are been dumped cheap :-)
[21:41] <daftykins> what makes you believe secure boot won't be possible to disable?
[21:41] <daftykins> also, seen those cheap AMD ubuntu systems on ebuyer?
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> no credit card so need to walk into shop to purchase
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> and win10 dropped requirement for secure boot to be able to be turned off. i suspect it will gradually be phased out so trying to snag one i can turn off for sure
[21:43] <daftykins> not even a debit card 0o
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> nopee
[21:43] <daftykins> just an ATM one?
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> no bank account
[21:43] <daftykins> wat
[21:43] <daftykins> so piles of cash under the mattress eh? :>
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/100000-adults-in-ireland-have-no-bank-account-161470.html
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> a few years back we had a minister for finance who admitted they had no bank account...
[21:46] <daftykins> nice
[22:48] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: get a thinkpad x220/x230
[22:48] <ali1234> probably cheaper than anything argos sells
[22:55] <daftykins> hmm on xubuntu the fields on this online payment form are all laid out funny and you can't click 'next' in yellow, is that the same for anyone else? http://www.gsygas.com/pay-online/
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> and does one know of a shop in dublin selling them? :-)
[22:56] <ali1234> daftykins: yes but it's unlikely to be anything directly to do with xubuntu
[22:57] <ali1234> daftykins: in firefox, ctrl-shift-+ until the form fits inside that brown rectangle
[22:57] <daftykins> nah i just stated that due to default packages present
[22:57] <ali1234> it's something to do with <div> overflows or something
[22:57] <daftykins> ah good call, i just went into a field and hit enter, that worked too
[22:58] <ali1234> possibly related to font sizes
[22:58] <ali1234> "the www"
[22:58] <daftykins> nothing to contact them about then? :)
[22:58] <ali1234> they are unlikely to fix it
[22:58] <ali1234> contact them, if you like talking to a brick wall :)
[22:58] <daftykins> :D
[22:59] <ali1234> although, if they are a Guernsey company you might just get the CEO
[23:00] <daftykins> weirdly, they seem to have a call center on the isle of man O_O
[23:00] <daftykins> they ask you which island when calling in these days :D
[23:00] <ali1234> web design company is also Guernsey
[23:00] <daftykins> perhaps i should test a clean profile first tum te tum
[23:00] <ali1234> it works okay in chrome
[23:07] <ali1234> this could actually be a firefox bug
[23:07] <ali1234> <div id="rightcol"> is the culprit in any case
[23:08] <ali1234> anything that completely overflows outside of it can't be interacted with
[23:09] <ali1234> forcing it to shrink in chrome has the same effect so it's not a firefox bug
[23:12] <daftykins> ooh novel
[23:12] <daftykins> diddledan: seen this before? ^
[23:54] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181791750274
[23:54] <popey> cheapo
[23:55] <popey> they charge via usb I thought, so not having a charger isn't a biggie?
[23:58] <ali1234> yeah but if they normally come with one you gotta mention it on the listing, or risk the buyer complaining to ebay