=== duflu_ is now known as duflu [04:07] Good morning === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [06:23] desrt: I think there may be a bug in the improvements for g_signal_handler_disconnect in glib 2.45.3. I'm hitting this crash in gnome-screensaver (used when a11y is enabled under unity): http://paste.ubuntu.com/11846406/ [06:24] desrt: I just confirmed that reverting back to libgobject from 2.45.2 I can successfully unlock my session. With 2.45.3, if I attempt to unlock the session, gnome-screensaver-dialog crashes when unlock is clicked. [06:25] desrt: Happy to file a bug upstream tomorrow, just thought I'd give you a quick dump now, since Ubuntu is probably one fo the last distros to still be using gnome-screensaver... [06:25] desrt: And I don't know of anything else that crashes in this way. [07:55] morning [07:55] hey TheMuso [07:55] morning :) [07:55] Hey willcooke. [07:57] Hey willcooke! [07:58] hey willcooke TheMuso RAOF [07:58] hey willcooke [07:58] ça va seb128 ! [07:58] hey-ho RAOF! [07:58] pitti, salut ! oui, et toi ? [07:58] Hey pitti! [07:58] Also seb128! [07:58] * TheMuso waves to everyone else. :) [07:58] Hey, launchpad now does side-by-side diffs (at least for git)! [07:58] hey TheMuso, how are you? [07:59] pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself? [07:59] quite well, thanks! [08:04] morning [08:15] hey Laney, how are you? [08:16] hey seb128, not bad thanks! [08:16] gave blood last night [08:17] * Laney now gets drunk rapidly [08:17] you? [08:18] I'm good thanks! === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [09:07] Laney, larsu, how is the theme update coming? [09:07] larsu, did you get feedback on the scrollbar branch? [09:07] * seb128 is going to try again in a bit [09:09] seb128: no feedback yet :/ I'd prefer some feedback from design tbh [09:09] it's a bit ugly now because I don't know how to make things look good [09:10] willcooke, is there any way you could twist some design team arms to get them to give us some feedback on the new scrollbars theming? [09:12] seb128, sure. If someone can help me install them then I will make a video and speak to John Lea [09:12] I will set up a VM now [09:12] should it be based on 15.10? [09:14] yes [09:14] Laney, larsu, ^ can you help willcooke to install them to demo to design? [09:14] I'll install a W VM now and then larsu I will ping you [09:15] sure [09:15] maybe Laney can upload it to the desktop team ppa? That might be easiest [09:15] is there a merge prpoposal? [09:16] and is there a branch for other theme fixes? [09:16] no & no [09:17] ok [09:24] wtf [09:24] "mount: unknown filesystem type 'aufs'" [09:26] what did you do? [09:28] new kernel I guess [09:29] yeah, unsure what's the context but I had issues in the snappy image with linux 4 vs 3.19 before [09:29] my schroots are configured to use aufs [09:29] now they don't work! [09:30] * Laney pinged -kernel [09:38] seems to be an error [10:00] willcooke: larsu: It's going to be in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa shortly [10:00] thanks Laney! [10:00] thanks Laney. W machine has just installed [10:00] what do you think is weird? [10:00] hrm, amazon icon looks crappy [10:00] there's no animation when it transitions to expanded [10:00] could just be a VM thing [10:00] ...amazon icon... [10:00] in the launcher [10:01] yeah [10:01] weren't we supposed/allowed to get rid of that? [10:06] dunno, seb128 any ideas? [10:08] * larsu remembers jason saying something like that [10:08] me too [10:08] bbiab, going to lunch [10:08] but I have been spreading that rumour [10:08] so all knowledge could have come from me and I might have made it up :P [10:08] h [10:08] ha [10:08] I heard Jason say it [10:08] oh GREAT! [10:09] I'll see what I can find out... [10:09] nice one [10:09] * larsu wonders if he was the one spreading the rumor [10:10] well I think that I remember him saying it too [10:10] in my head while we were walking through the lobby at citizen m [10:10] Laney, any chance you have an email on this topci? [10:10] *topic? [10:11] afraid not [10:12] no worries, I'll speak to some guys === greyback__ is now known as greyback [10:25] Laney, larsu - Amazon icon (web app) stays/ [10:25] guess we should fix the icon then [10:25] HAHA [10:25] * willcooke looks for one [10:25] gosh darn it [10:25] * willcooke looks for one later [10:26] oki, my W machine is ready to go, Laney I should add this ppa right: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [10:26] yup [10:54] larsu, Laney - have installed the PPA and rebooted - should I be seeing the new osb in, say, gedit? [10:54] yep [10:55] hit enter enough times to make a scrollbar [10:55] * willcooke sees the old scroll bars [10:55] (have restarted) [10:55] screenshot? [10:55] apt-cache policy overlay-scrollbar-gtk3 [10:57] Laney, http://imgur.com/7VmJu7Q [10:57] ES KANN NICHT SEIN [10:57] apt-cache policy libgtk-3-0 [10:58] just sorting out c&p [10:58] installed 0.2.16+r359 yada yada yada [10:58] probs easiest to install an ssh server [11:01] done [11:02] libgtk-3-0: [11:02] Installed: 3.14.13-0ubuntu1 [11:02] Candidate: 3.16.4-2ubuntu1 [11:02] Version table: [11:02] 3.16.4-2ubuntu1 0 [11:02] 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages [11:02] *** 3.14.13-0ubuntu1 0 [11:02] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [11:02] yeaaaaaah that's old [11:02] can you dist-upgrade? [11:04] ahh [11:04] sorry [11:04] running [11:05] it's because of the old iso thing that got mentioned on the ML yesterday [11:05] I guess you used /current/ [11:10] yeah I think so === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:18] * larsu back [11:18] Laney: you speak loud in german! [11:20] my language for shocked outrage is german, so I tend to be shouting then :) [11:20] good choice [11:51] can haz new scroll bars [11:51] \o/ [11:53] peerrrrtty [11:54] :-) [11:54] willcooke, no idea about the amazon icon, but seems like you figured it out [11:55] seb128, yeah, sorted. It stays [11:56] :-/ [11:56] that's making Laney sad [11:56] the dash online search was another thing wasn't it [11:57] the default for that [11:57] btw didn't we speak also about not ^ [11:57] but thinking about it I'm unsure if we have a setting for that [11:57] or if it would require code changes [11:57] isn't it the toggle that didrocks implemented? [11:58] from what I remember what was mentioned as "acceptable" to "up" was to disable online query for default dash screen/apps/files [11:58] but specific scopes that rely on online content should stop be able to do those/work [11:58] e.g wikipedia [11:59] and I think the setting just turn off remote use and makes those lens useless [11:59] which would probably not be validated [11:59] needs some design then [12:00] yeah :-/ [12:00] I could imagine adding a stock message to those lenses that just says 'you disabled online search, unlucky' [12:01] I'm unsure we would get a mandate to do that [12:01] it's basically making those useless by default [12:02] shrug [12:02] yeah, I know [12:02] but not my decision :-/ [12:02] we can still ask I guess [12:02] I just have a feeling about the reply, from past discussions [12:02] oh are these the server side ones? [12:03] yes [12:03] how do you search in those specifically? [12:04] wikipedia:london [12:04] or weather:london [12:04] amazon:london [12:05] people who bought London also bought ... [12:05] lol [12:05] * larsu wonders what people who bought London would also buy [12:05] a mug with the queen? [12:06] larsu: if the answer isn't New York, Paris and Milan then they missed a treat [12:06] davmor2: Paris?! [12:06] seb128: you want to file a design request bug? [12:07] I wonder if it is implementable to have a preference which allows the prefix ones to go through [12:07] so don't search for "london" but do for "wikipedia:london" [12:07] Laney, can do [12:07] that probably has to leak searches with a : in them though [12:07] larsu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ [12:07] unless we have a list client side [12:08] which I guess the server could provide [12:08] also there are the filters/categories in the right sidebar [12:08] davmor2: I'm in Germany, where this video is blocked [12:08] * larsu is a bit happy about that actually [12:09] ah yeah, so we do have a list [12:10] larsu: look up, right said fred, I'm too sexy :) [12:10] \m/ [12:12] * Laney is listening to gangsta's paradise on the radio [12:12] much better, although less sexy, than right said fred [12:13] Laney: Been spending most our lives living in a gangsta's paradise coolio and lv classic track [12:21] Laney, larsu, seb128 - email gone to design re: new OSB. What this space... [12:22] thx [12:22] I think we could take this as iteration numero uno anyway [12:22] it's better than the default style imho [12:24] +1 [12:27] right, that would be a good start [12:27] it might make things easier to test/see for design as well [12:29] is that progress bar bug you found fixed? [12:30] looks ok to me in widget factory [12:30] thx willcooke [12:30] Laney: yes, I fixed that [12:30] you beast [12:30] (rewrote the branch) [12:30] good work [12:31] seb128 told me to! [12:31] he likes his progress bars [12:31] FDD [12:31] f... d... d... ? [12:31] * larsu hates abbrivations [12:31] f*** Debian D? [12:31] haha [12:31] haha [12:31] * seb128 takes a guess :p [12:31] floppy disk drive [12:31] fear driven developmpent [12:31] maybe SDD [12:31] pitti: I was thinking that... [12:32] Laney: lol [12:32] I'm not afraid of seb128 though - he's far enough away [12:32] ........ or is he? [12:32] erm, he has root [12:32] uh oh [12:32] * larsu starts breathing heavily [12:32] (and faints) [12:33] * Laney is jabbed in the stomach by a violently opening cd drive [12:33] don't worry, soon you are going to be on another continent [12:33] that's far enough ;-) [12:33] Laney, don't do that! [12:33] root did it [12:33] * seb128 denies [12:34] http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-news-april-june-2015 [12:34] nice to see so much good launchpad work [12:34] you're diverting! [12:34] :-) [12:34] but yeah, cool stuff [12:36] "The mails sent when a reviewer adds inline comments now only include relevant parts of the diff context rather than the entire diff, making them much easier to read and making it harder to miss comments (#1334577)" [12:36] \o/ [12:36] I filed a bug and then it got fixed [12:36] amazing! [12:36] yeah, those things happen sometime [12:36] which one? [12:36] about depwait [12:36] side by side diff as well! [12:36] and not being detected correctly [12:37] cool [12:39] seb128, yeah, I can't wait to switch to git ;) [12:39] chrisccoulson, you can already do it no? [12:41] seb128, I've not tried the git hosting in launchpad yet [12:44] are we planning on migrating all the things at some point? [12:47] I doubt so [12:47] it's going to be up to teams/people to decide what they want to migrate [12:47] but I guess most content is going to migrate at some point yes [12:47] I'm asking my team :) [12:49] Laney wanted to migrate the gnome packaging to full source in git [12:49] to make easier to cherry pick from upstream [12:49] but I guess it's non trivial to do [12:49] full source? Crazy! [12:49] hehe [12:50] it's nice [12:50] being able to diff/blame/log across the full history [12:50] is that still easy with all those merge commits? [12:50] which? [12:51] I guess it's easier than the alternative... [12:51] Laney: you'd merge new versions into the packaging branch, no? [12:51] oh yeah, from the tag [12:52] people sometimes then commit the contents of the tarball at that point [12:52] to get the generated stuff [12:53] why? Can't that be generated when building the package? [12:53] if you want to upload the same tarball that upstream released [12:53] ah, right [12:53] *if* :P [12:54] yeah that's kind of legacy in some ways [12:54] especially with signed tags [12:54] what do we still use those for? [12:54] we're not doing it for canonical-upstream projects, right? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:00] http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/upstream_git_repositories/ <- relevant post [13:01] ah, thanks [13:01] ours are generated by bzr export, basically [13:01] right [13:01] I wonder if pristine-tar is involved at some point [13:24] Laney, can you start a desktop-next build for me? [13:24] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is still down [13:28] hmm [13:28] balloons: do you know if this much downtime is expected? [13:32] running anyway [13:34] thanks [13:38] * willcooke has found a bug(?) in OSB [13:41] might be a virtual box thing [13:42] or just expected behaviour [13:43] https://goo.gl/photos/h5i3EDmPeyA1QBjP9 [13:43] When I access the scrollbars for an application which isn't focused [13:43] and I try and drag the scroll bar [13:43] in the case of gedit, it selects the text as I drag rather than scrolling the window [13:44] what do you reckon larsu? Should I log it or ignore? [13:44] that link is a video btw [13:52] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/4.4.4/libreoffice-l10n_4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/4.4.4/libreoffice_4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1_source.changes [13:53] seb128: please consider these for upload to wily as discussed. [13:53] Sweet5hark, looking [13:54] willcooke: that only happens with the themed version [13:54] interesting [13:54] will let larsu analyse [13:57] * Laney has a missed call from a mysterious london number [13:57] why can't people leave voicemail :( [13:58] Laney, http://who-called.co.uk/ [13:58] There's one with an API which I hooked in to my asterisk server to automatically reject spam calls [13:58] but it's a bit hit and miss [13:58] mostly miss [13:59] oh nice [13:59] I googled it but this didn't come up [13:59] seems to be spam [14:00] http://who-called.co.uk/Number/02036349821 [14:00] * Laney enjoys the top two comments [14:00] NSFW though :) [14:00] ha! [14:00] Worth asking [14:00] #5 has a good opening line [14:01] * Laney is going to, ahem, lunch now [14:01] biab! === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [14:06] Laney, geez, you brits ... i just had breakfast here and you already do lunch ! [14:40] ogra_: oh, you're in the US again? [14:40] pitti, lol, nope, at home [14:40] would be late breakfast even for west coast :) [14:40] just so busy that i forget to eat :) [14:57] without further comment: https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/619150575574323200 [15:00] seb128: sometimes I get text plymouht in VM, sometimes the dots; it seems to depend on both -vga and the time of day/dollar course/air pressure [15:00] seb128: with -vga vmware I reliably get dots, and with the default it's sometimes this sometimes that [15:00] seb128: s/dots/text mode/ [15:01] pitti, I'm using virt-manager, unsure if that makes a difference [15:01] seb128: could be, not sure what -vga it uses [15:01] seb128: anyway, if you didn't try to switch VTs, it's very likely that it's the issue I'm seeing [15:01] pitti, I'm using qlx for graphics, only way to get unity8/mir to work [15:02] right [15:02] seb128: oh, that does 3d? never tried that [15:02] Unknown vga type: qlx [15:02] hmm [15:03] pitti, http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/setup_kvm_for_mir.html [15:03] pitti, sorry, typo,qxl [15:03] seb128: nice, that works (-vga qxl) [15:04] and a really shiny plymouth [15:04] :-) [15:15] seb128: hi, can you have a look at this merge request, please? The change looks good to me: https://code.launchpad.net/~timchen119/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon.1471708.trusty/+merge/264163 [15:16] pitti, I can't reproduce the hang now, maybe it was the vt issue [15:17] seb128: you mean you do get the emergency shell? [15:17] pitti, but I don't understand, with the buggy fstab I guess an user session half the boots and the shell the other half [15:17] guess->get [15:17] seb128: yes, it's a race condition; adding plymouht --wait after plymouth quit fixes it reliably here [15:17] seb128: A/B partition? [15:17] yes [15:17] but it always boot B [15:17] it's a new install [15:18] hum [15:18] wait [15:18] I've a buggy update on A, I wonder if that's the boot that gives me the shell [15:18] * seb128 tries again [15:19] tseliot, I don't like that hack much... [15:22] tseliot: what happens if it hangs? [15:22] is touchscreen broken or something? [15:22] Laney: everything's broken [15:23] no [15:23] I mean if the 3s timeout fires [15:23] I assume everything is broken now because the system() call blocks when xinput hangs [15:24] but timeout means that it only hangs for at most 3 seconds now, then it's killed [15:24] what is broken if it gets killed? [15:25] Laney: only mapping the touch input device onto the touchscreen area [15:25] which is not a big deal [15:26] I should actually adjust the description. I was convinced we were doing sleep 3 [15:26] but yes, that is a problem only if an external screen is connected [15:27] it's a hack but it's better than blocking u-s-d [15:34] seb128: if it takes 3 seconds to call xinput, then something is really wrong [15:34] did anyone try to look at why that happens? [15:35] I think it's a race condition in the skylake code of the intel driver [15:36] willcooke: Laney: ugh, indeed. [15:36] (sorry, was out printing tshirts. don't ask) [15:37] larsu, :D [15:37] you joining the open source tea party now? [15:37] larsu, you want me to log a bug anywhere? [15:38] Laney: are those the people that hate systemd? [15:38] I just heard they are big in Berlin [15:38] willcooke: I'm checking right now if there's an upstream bug for that already [15:38] Laney: really?! I want to meet them! [15:44] hm, there doesn't seem to be one [15:44] same problem in Adwaita [15:55] Laney, willcooke: I'm investigating this problem. Note that this also happens in current wily (my branch only restyles them) [15:57] ok [15:59] ok :) [15:59] ok! [15:59] ok? [15:59] ok [15:59] ok! [15:59] * larsu is glad we're all on the same page [15:59] tseliot, Laney, btw if that hack is needed it should also be applied to wily no? [16:00] seb128: correct [16:00] ye [16:00] I'm commenting btw [16:00] thanks [16:11] Sweet5hark, you should try to apply again to dmb for libreoffice btw === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [16:36] is it right for notify-osd to override GDK_SCALE or should it be fixed in some other way? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1374301) [16:36] Launchpad bug 1374301 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "osd notifications blurry" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:38] Laney: should be fixed in another way [16:38] looks like it assumes that GDK doesn't know anything about scaling and just does the scaling itself [16:39] right, but it gets it correct [16:40] it's blurry, no? [16:40] not if you set GDK_SCALE=1 [16:40] hackish, no? [16:44] don't know [16:44] it gets the dpi and stuff and calculates things itself [16:45] maybe it is right to tell GDK not to mess with that [16:45] it gets at least some stuff wrong though [16:45] for example, changing from/to hidpi makes it look wonky [16:45] (until restarting it) [16:46] does it behave correctly for different screens? [16:47] and even then, the correct way to tell gdk that it shouldn't scale is probably calling gdk_x11_display_set_window_scale() [16:53] gotta go [16:53] cya [17:14] meh weird [17:15] calling _set_window_scale(..., 1) makes it tiny [17:15] but GDK_SCALE=1 does not [17:15] * Laney gives up for now [17:15] climbing time, later! [17:16] enjoy! [17:24] bregma: hey there, do you have any tips for making an external monitor work better when your laptop is HiDPI? [17:25] i'm using this rune, and it kinda works, but performance is super sluggish: xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto --panning 3840x2400+3200+0 --scale 2x2 --right-of eDP1 [17:26] oh, i suppose i should say i'm on 14.04.02 [17:36] achiang, have you tried just plugging it in an using the control panel to adjust scaling on it instead of trying dark xrandr magic? [17:38] bregma: i can adjust scale for menu and title bars, but the "scale all window contents to match" option is confusing [17:40] also, i can only use about 1/4 of the external screen when i do that [17:46] basically, window content looks ridiculous either on the built-in screen or the external, depending on what the setting of "scale all window contents to match" is [17:46] either gigantor or tiny [19:21] desrt: hi, do you have any decision on per-session gsettings defaults patches? (i.e. will you accept or reject them?) [20:13]