[00:49] <Cosmophile> Okay, so my laptop has extremely high DPi
[00:49] <Cosmophile> Everything in KDE was too tiny to work with
[00:49] <Cosmophile> So I followed the directions here: https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
[00:49] <Cosmophile> I modified xorg.conf
[00:50] <Cosmophile> And now, when I login, and KDE starts, I just see a black screen :(
[00:50] <Cosmophile> My desktop doesnt load
[01:08] <mparillo> Can you <ctrl> <alt> <F1> and get a shell prompt, and revert your xorg.conf?
[02:00] <ajocean> hello
[03:49] <suniel> hello
[03:49] <suniel> i need lil help
[03:50] <suniel> any one there
[03:54] <bshah> pff left
[04:46] <hangman13us> hey guys... anyone else struggling with Version 11.2.202.481 of the latest adobe flash player? Kubuntu 15.04 and the update fail to install... any clue?
[10:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> G'Day folks
[11:16] <eew> Hello all
[11:17] <lordievader> Hey eew
[11:18] <eew> I use kubuntu for last 3 years, but I don't see myselfes as advanced user
[11:18] <lordievader> And you want that to change?
[11:18] <eew> I usually just install and use the system without of any fine tuning actions
[11:18] <eew> :)
[11:19] <eew> but know I would like to check the installed drivers
[11:19] <eew> yes, I would like to change it :)
[11:20] <eew> I installed a new system 6 weeks ago, and it works pretty slow
[11:20] <eew> so, I would like to check the drivers
[11:21] <lordievader> There are lots of drivers, see /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/kernel/drivers
[11:21] <eew> my qustion is:
[11:21] <lordievader> A slow system has little to do with drivers.
[11:22] <AceKing> Hello everyone
[11:23] <eew> my question is: which drivers is advisable to check after Kubuntu installation?
[11:23] <lordievader> Hey AceKing
[11:23] <lordievader> eew: Usually driver for your videocard, if the opensource ones do not suffice.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi again
[11:24] <lordievader> Welcome back, BluesKaj
[11:24] <eew> ok, I have
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader thanks
[11:24] <AceKing> lordievader: I'm glad to see you are on this morning. You were helping me yesterday with my VPN.I have yet to resolve the problem. I've been racking my brain trying to get this going. I can connnect to the VPN, but still show my local address.
[11:24] <eew> I have Intel card: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[11:24] <lordievader> AceKing: Could you pastebin the output of 'ip r'?
[11:26] <eew> which driver should be used for this graphic controller?  I couldn't fint it in google
[11:26] <BluesKaj> eew, your intel gpu probly uses the i915 driver, which is already installed by default, and it should work fine as is.
[11:27] <AceKing> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/pokmbbiuv
[11:27] <eew> BluesKaj, you are right: yevgeniy@yevgeniy-desktop:/boot$ lsmod | grep i915 i915                  808675  4  i2c_algo_bit           13197  1 i915 drm_kms_helper         55007  1 i915 drm                   255469  6 i915,drm_kms_helper video                  19475  1 i915
[11:28] <BluesKaj> eew, then you're good to go
[11:29] <eew> hm, what could be the reason that the machine is slow
[11:29] <lordievader> AceKing: Your default gateway does change ;)
[11:29] <lordievader> eew: What is the output of 'vmstat 1' when it gets slow?
[11:30] <AceKing> lordievader: How can fix that? It is actually doing the same on my laptop.
[11:30] <lordievader> AceKing: Anything not going to the 10.10.10.0/24 subnet should be going over the vpn.
[11:30] <lordievader> AceKing: What do you mean?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> eew, check your system monitor for akonadi-server and baloo daemons running
[11:32] <AceKing> lordievader: When I check my IP on whatismyipaddress.com before I connect, it shows my local IP. After I connect, it still shows the same local IP, and my location
[11:32] <lordievader> AceKing: According to your routes it should go over the vpn.
[11:33] <BluesKaj> AceKing, an alternative is this stracker site, http://www.ip-tracker.org/
[11:33] <BluesKaj> err tracker
[11:33] <eew> the system is generally slow, I don't see any pics or downs in the performance
[11:34] <eew> it is just slow :( , in the KDE it take sometimes seconds to open a window
[11:35] <lordievader> eew: So what is the output of 'vmstat 1', just pastebin some 10 lines or so.
[11:35] <eew> a have othe systems with the weaker hardware, also running 14.04 and they are working fine
[11:35] <eew> sure: rocs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ------cpu-----  r  b   swpd   Frei Puffer  Cache   si   so    bi    bo   In   cs US SY ID WA st  0  1      0 2044704 304824 8030748    0    0     6    35   93   29 13  3 75  8  0  2  2      0 2049776 304824 8031716    0    0     0   984 1036 3738  2  0 83 15  0  0  1      0 2047976 304824 8033552    0    0     0  1200  864 3960  2  1 79 19  0  0  1      0 2047232 30
[11:35] <lordievader> !paste | eew
[11:36] <lordievader> Could you pastebin it, posting it here directly makes it unreadable.
[11:36] <eew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11855448/plain/
[11:36] <AceKing> lordievader: OK, now it shows it changes. That is crazy that it will not change on www.whatismyipaddress.com. I am clearing the browser when I check it.
[11:37] <lordievader> AceKing: That one is probably caching things.
[11:38] <AceKing> lordievader: Not to sound stupid, but it can see my actual location, even though I am going through a VPN?
[11:38] <lordievader> eew: Your machine is quite idle.
[11:38] <lordievader> eew: What are it's specs?
[11:40] <eew> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770S CPU @ 3.10GHz, 16G memory,
[11:40] <eew> Linux 3.16.0-41-generic
[11:40] <eew> KDE 4.13.2
[11:40] <lordievader> How can that be slow when it is idling?
[11:41] <eew> yevgeniy@yevgeniy-desktop:/boot$ uname -a Linux yevgeniy-desktop 3.16.0-41-generic #57~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 18 18:01:50 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:42] <lordievader> 10-20% io wait ain't that bad.
[11:42] <film> hello people
[11:43] <lordievader> o/
[11:43] <eew> KDE applications like Kile, Libreoffice, Ocular are stocking and hanging
[11:43] <eew> :(
[11:43] <lordievader> eew: Could you run 'vmstat 1' for a bit longer and pastebin more output?
[11:45] <eew> sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11855493/plain/
[11:45] <eew> I need to leave for a while
[11:45] <eew> will be back in 5 minutes
[11:46] <lordievader> In the beginning he did have a lot of blocked processes, it is probably his disk.
[11:47] <film> what commands are used to check and see if you have the correct up date and upgrade?
[11:47] <lordievader> film: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:48] <clivejo_> lordievader: anything in kernel logs?
[11:48] <eew> I am back
[11:48] <lordievader> clivejo_: ?
[11:48] <clivejo_> regarding eew box being slow?
[11:48] <film> lordievader: thanks
[11:48] <lordievader> eew: In the beginning of your latest post you have a lot of blocked processes, you should check your disk.
[11:49] <lordievader> clivejo_: Everything is probably fine, just that disk access is slow.
[11:49] <lordievader> eew: You should do a smart check.
[11:49] <lordievader> Slow disks are usually a sign of read errors or bad sectors.
[11:51] <clivejo_> and probably total failure :/
[11:54] <film> i've installed  kubuntu 15.04 latest version which is 32 bit , I want and need 64 bit,is it possible to switch to it in terminal?
[11:55] <lordievader> film: Easiest way is to reinstall.
[11:56] <eew> clivejo: I don't see anything suspicios in the kernel log
[11:56] <clivejo_> eew: try what lordievader suggested, sounds like a disk on its last legs
[11:57] <film> lordievader: you men re download 64 bit instead of 32 bit?
[11:57] <lordievader> film: Yes.
[11:57] <film> oh nooo
[11:58] <lordievader> eew: Install smarmontools and pastebin the output of 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda'.
[11:58] <film> right now its working and updating, but real slow
[11:59] <eew> lordievader: ok, I am on it
[11:59] <wrapper> hey guys - very hard to post bug in 15.04 application launcher - can't change size of menu.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> eew, using any encryption or fancy file system ?
[11:59] <film> lordievader: thanks
[11:59] <eew> not
[12:00] <eew> just ext4
[12:00] <lordievader> Ext4 recently got encryption capabilities too :P
[12:01] <wrapper> ubuntu launchpad won't accept it
[12:02] <wrapper> In an upgrade and fresh install of Kubuntu 15.04,  it is no longer possible to resize the application menu.
[12:04] <wrapper> Ko, will check later if any advice ..
[12:07] <eew> lordievader:  https://goo.gl/S4hWYa
[12:08] <eew> above is the output from the  smartctl
[12:08] <lordievader> On the sdd is your system?
[12:08] <eew> yes
[12:09] <lordievader> The disk is fine by the by. But having an ssd being slow is even stranger.
[12:09] <eew> agree :)
[12:11] <lordievader> eew: What is the output of 'sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda', you might need to install hdparm first.
[12:13] <eew> sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[12:14] <eew> test
[12:14] <eew> Timing cached reads:   22862 MB in  2.00 seconds = 11447.53 MB/sec
[12:14] <eew> Timing buffered disk reads: 742 MB in  3.01 seconds = 246.89 MB/sec
[12:15] <eew> it looks fine for me
[12:17] <lordievader> It does.
[12:41] <softexpert> hello, anybody knows when the latest KDE frameworks will be made available?
[12:42] <soee_> what vesions exactly
[12:42] <soee_> ?
[12:42] <softexpert> 15.04
[12:43] <soee_> i was asking abut frameworks version :)
[12:43] <softexpert> 5.12.0 - just got published on kde.org
[12:44] <lordievader> When it gets packaged it will likely first go to Wily and then be backported to Vivid.
[12:46] <softexpert> which can be translated to what delay? (an approximation is OK)
[12:47] <soee_> there is no any known dae i think :)
[12:48] <softexpert> well, not exactly what I expected but thank you anyway ...
[12:49] <soee_> softexpert: we have very few packagers
[12:49] <soee_> and now priority is backoprt of Plasma 5.3.2 to vivid and that causes some problems
[12:51] <softexpert> soee_ : from a simple user's point of view: the pace of backporting is perceived to be 5 -10 times slower than with the previous versions; will this be temporary?
[12:54] <soee_> softexpert: can't say, usualy bugfix releases backorts are not so hard to work on. This one was different and it shows we never knew what can happen.
[12:55] <softexpert> soee_ : ok, thank you for your time!
[12:56] <soee_> sure thing :) the magic person that we should thank for her hard work on packaging is Scarlett :)
[13:22] <lordievader> The delay will likely be 'until when sgclark has time'...
[13:40] <hay207> hi guys, do the opensource radeon driver support hydrid cards?
[13:40] <hay207> i try to install but refuses
[13:46] <akasic> hi, i just looked in nvidia-settings an no vsync options for my 740m are there, is there any trick (like primusrun) to enable in front of the app command, or any way to switch it on? thnx
[13:51] <BluesKaj> akasic, which kubuntu release are you running ?
[13:52] <akasic> 15.04
[13:52] <akasic> with 346.59
[13:53] <BluesKaj> akasic, look in system settings>display&monitor>compositor>tearing prevention/vsync drop down
[13:53] <akasic> recommended drivers, updated last kernel, no vsync, adaptative sync or related in nvidia-settings. installing bumblebee just ends always in a black screen
[13:54] <akasic> well, one sec, because now i get errors opening system settings
[13:55] <akasic> i tried it yesterday that solution, only works for composition desktop
[13:55] <BluesKaj> use nvidia-prime package for intel and nvidia hybrid gpus on 15.04
[13:55] <BluesKaj> it might work
[13:55] <akasic> well, ill try it now again and ill comment after the reboot. yes, i can switch them correctly
[13:56] <BluesKaj> ak dunno if prime uses the 346 driver tho
[14:00] <yossarianuk> is anyone else having a hard time using the ubuntu apt mirrors (UK)  today ?
[14:06] <TJ-> yossarianuk: Known issue, check #ubuntu-mirrors for more details
[14:13] <yossarianuk> TJ-: cheers
[14:15] <regedit> what do I need to know / keep in mind if i want to get the latest Nvidia drivers?
[14:15] <regedit> what are the steps to take the day it breaks kernel (or the day the kernel breaks it)
[14:17] <akasic> hi, i just restarted (had to nm cache due to black screen), went to screen in system settings, activated vsync with compositing, and my rendering for some app its still without vsync
[14:17] <akasic> sorry mv cache
[14:18] <akasic> anyway, thnx for the help, if anyone knows how to activate vsync, plz tell me (option lacking in nvidia-settings)
[14:19] <TJ-> regedit: as the kernel's internal symbols change some versions of proprietary (out-of-kernel) drivers may fail to build as a result, and need minor patching to fix up. This is a common issue with newer kernels and Nvidia drivers
[14:19] <regedit> hm
[14:20] <regedit> problem is the recommended (k)ubuntu drivers are quirky too...
[14:20] <TJ-> regedit: what is 'quirky' ?
[14:21] <TJ-> akasic: is that setting not on the "OpenGL Settings" tab for the X screen?
[14:21] <regedit> for example the recommended proprietary 346 has an issue (in multi-monitor?) where the mouse disappears at edge of screen
[14:22] <regedit> also vsync is ever elusive
[14:22] <AceKing> lordievader: If you're still here, I found my VPN problem. I had to disable IPV6.
[14:22] <TJ-> regedit: I'm using 346; not noticed that... which edge?
[14:23] <regedit> TJ-: top, of the HDMI (external) monitor
[14:23] <TJ-> regedit: I've got 6 monitors on 4 X screens; don't see that
[14:23] <yossarianuk> regedit:  this highlights a problem I keep mentioning and it one of the things holding back Ubuntu (and other distros) from the desktop.
[14:23] <yossarianuk> It is madness that Ubuntu do not offer the latest Nvidia driver by default - i.e a package that always has the latest stable version. The version in 15.04 was the latest upon release, it wasn't a week or so later
[14:24] <yossarianuk> They stick with a version of the Nvidia driver with known bugs and that doesn't support the latest hardware in the name of stability - i.e keep a known buggy version. They should at least offer the latest IMO, its not like the Ubuntu devs can fix the driver as its closed source.
[14:24] <yossarianuk> People running Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04 will have a worse time playing games on Steam than those of 14.10/15.04 unless they have manually installed the driver from nvidia.com (but this opens up a world of potential issues also).
[14:24] <yossarianuk> (just my 2 pennies on this subject)
[14:25] <lordievader> AceKing: Hehe ;)
[14:25] <regedit> i hear ya yossarianuk
[14:26] <AceKing> lordievader: I appreciate your patience, and help. At least we know the fix.
[14:26] <TJ-> yossarianuk:  you make it sound so simple, but it isn't
[14:26] <lordievader> AceKing: Sure, no problem.
[14:28] <regedit> also (i may have asked about this once before) is it ok/safe / how do i install mysql in kubuntu? there seems to be some mysql already installed, for akonadi purposes as far as i can tell
[14:28] <yossarianuk> TJ-: building a new package takes about 15 mins. Keeping an older package (that is known to be broken and doesn't support latest h/w  is silly imo - sure keep a version the same but at least always offer the latest.
[14:28] <yossarianuk> if someone buys a new nvidia card then probably cannot run ubuntu for 6 months unless they manually install the binary driver
[14:28] <lordievader> regedit: Client or server?
[14:29] <TJ-> yossarianuk: Wrong. The packages change, and sometimes require a *lot* of work to maintain upgrades
[14:29] <yossarianuk> (by the time that is explained a newbie has already removed Linux and gone back to Windows I fear)
[14:30] <yossarianuk> sure they change... It would be best if somehow the .deb merely automated downloading the latest .RUN nvidia binary, then the devs wouldn't have to do much
[14:30] <regedit> lordievader: uh, either/both?
[14:30] <TJ-> yossarianuk: I'm one of those devs; believe me, it's not that simple
[14:31] <yossarianuk> I've mantained a PPA with nvidia and the same debian folder pretty much worked for several versions.
[14:31] <lordievader> regedit: sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
[14:31] <yossarianuk> i. .340 .346 ,etc etc - I know what is inviolved.
[14:32] <regedit> lordievader: i see this installed: mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.6.24, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64)
[14:32] <TJ-> yossarianuk: so you've had to manage the split with uvm
[14:32] <regedit> lordievader: mysql-client-core-5.6 and mysql-server-core-5.6
[14:33] <lordievader> regedit: So you have both already?
[14:33] <yossarianuk> TJ-: yes, that was the main difference - I was aware as I also build the nvidia package in Arch (for rt kernel)
[14:33] <regedit> lordievader: and the server (daemon) mysqld  Ver 5.6.24-0ubuntu2 for debian-linux-gnu on x86_64 ((Ubuntu))
[14:33] <regedit> lordievader: these seem to come installed with kubuntu, i think for akonadi
[14:33] <yossarianuk> obviously 'i'm' o.k - but want it possible for anyone to have the latest version if they wish (easily)
[14:34] <TJ-> yossarianuk: for folks who want later versions there's the xorg-edgeres PPA, along with the HardWare Enablement packages
[14:34] <regedit> i actually tried the xorg edgers for a bit
[14:34] <lordievader> yossarianuk: They do, they can simply download the latest from the nVidia website.
[14:34] <regedit> the driver was behaving OK-ish, but then i realized you have to switch *everything* to their repo...
[14:35] <regedit> so i uninstalled the edgers driver
[14:36] <BluesKaj> I don't understand spending 400 bucks on higher end gpu for gaming on linux when you can buy a gaming console for the same price
[14:36] <regedit> lordievader: what should i do in this case? is it ok/safe to install mysql proper? should i uninstall this existing mysql "core" ?
[14:36] <regedit> you can buy 4 ouyas too
[14:36] <lordievader> regedit: If you install mysql-server you get everthing you need.
[14:36] <lordievader> everything*
[14:37] <regedit> lordievader: i can install that safely alongside these mysql-cores?
[14:37] <lordievader> regedit: Yes, mysql server uses that package itself.
[14:37] <lordievader> It depends on it.
[14:37] <regedit> ok
[14:37] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: some people do 3d modelling, etc
[14:38] <yossarianuk> regedit: exactly my issue with xorg-edgers
[14:39] <yossarianuk> i.e I just wanted the nvidia driver update - I wanted the rest of my system  to remain stable.. not upgrade xorg, etc as well (may as well be using arch if you upgrade lots of components)
[14:40] <yossarianuk> anyway - this is my minor niggle for the desktop
[14:40] <yossarianuk> its not just kubuntu/ubuntu - most other distros its the same.
[14:40] <yossarianuk> Really if nvidia offered a apt repo that would be better
[14:40] <yossarianuk> (or just opensourced their driver)
[14:41] <lordievader> Heh, why would they do that.
[14:41] <regedit> as linus famously said...
[14:41] <regedit> <love and tolerance> YOU NVIDIA!
[14:43] <TJ-> You have to remember the Nvidia driver on Linux is the same one used on Windows, with a kernel wedge between to managed the interface differences, so unlikely it would be open-sourced
[14:44] <regedit> is there at least some sort of roadmap / blog / mailing list etc. i can follow to see where things are holding for the next ubuntu-supported recommended nvidia drivers?
[14:49] <kaiserA> Hi, I think I might have broken something
[14:54] <Kaiser> Hi, I think I bongled up, kde isn't starting and this is after a resintal of the OS, I just get a black screen with the cursor. Any ideas?
[14:56] <TJ-> regedit: which kubuntu release are you using?
[14:56] <Kaiser>  15
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Kaiser,  ctl+alt+F1-F6 , update and upgrade
[14:58] <Kaiser> Ok, trying it
[14:58] <Kaiser> Yeah, what confused me the most is the fact it just didn't work even after a resintal.
[14:59] <regedit> TJ-: 15.04
[14:59] <Kaiser> Also I do t know how to switch WM from the command line so I can't just try and see if i3 works
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Kaiser,  offhand , do you know which graphics card?
[15:01] <Kaiser> It's an amd something something, I don't really remember the number but it wasn't anything to big
[15:01] <Kaiser> R7 something
[15:02] <BluesKaj> radeon maybe
[15:02] <Kaiser> Yeah
[15:03] <TJ-> regedit: you can download the packages manually from the xorg-edgers PPA archive, by selecting the version you want (349, 352) and the within the version directory, pick the .deb files that match the architecture (e.g. amd64) and release (15.04), then install them locally using "dpkg -i"
[15:03] <TJ-> regedit: start from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/n/
[15:03] <BluesKaj> usually the xserver-xorg-video-ati drive will get a desktop
[15:03] <Kaiser> Ok, I'll try that out if after the reboot it still doesn't work
[15:03] <BluesKaj> driver
[15:04] <regedit> TJ-: see the PPA page "== Important notice ==This PPA is currently meant to be used as a whole. Please do _not_ individually install packages from it, add it to your sources and let your package manager pull in every update. The packages here build against each other and compile different features based on whats available at build time. Do not assume that because it lets you install a DDX with just the driver and libdrm update that it
[15:04] <regedit> will work..."
[15:05] <regedit> * WARNING: Do not use this PPA with the precise X backport stacks, aka if you fresh install of 12.04.2 or newer...
[15:06] <regedit> unless "or newer" refers to newer of precise (12) only
[15:06] <regedit> still previous notice is quite scary
[15:08] <lordievader> Running new stuff on very old software IS scary.
[15:11] <TJ-> regedit: that doesn't affect the nvidia drivers; only the Xorg stack
[15:12] <regedit> TJ-: oh?? is that so?
[15:12] <regedit> that is good news!
[15:12] <regedit> so i can haz use the xorg-edgers nvidia drivers then? coooool!
[15:13] <TJ-> regedit: the reason for the warning is that the xorg drivers are heavily intertwined. Originally it didn't include nvidia drivers but they're almost essential now so are included to ensure wide testing before hitting the main repos
[15:13] <TJ-> regedit: Yes... I'm currently writing a simple bash script - if you can wait for it - that automates the fetching
[15:14] <regedit> TJ-: waiting totally patiently
[15:14] <Kaiser> Ok,mupdating done, rebooted and still the same black screen with a cursor. So how do I get those packages on the command line?
[15:28] <Kaiser> Ok, I gave up with kde, downloaded i3 how do I start it from the command line?
[15:31] <Kaiser> Hello?
[15:32] <rodolfojcj> hello
[15:32] <Kaiser> How do I start a different wm from the command line?
[15:32] <Kaiser> Because kde isn't working and I have i3 installed
[15:34] <rodolfojcj> review if the system has some commands available like kdm, lightdm or startx
[15:35] <rodolfojcj> some time ago I used kdm, but my system now has lightdm
[15:35] <rodolfojcj> I use Debian/Ubuntu based systems
[15:35] <Kaiser> Only starts did something, and it took me back to the black screen
[15:36] <Kaiser> Startx Pardon me
[15:36] <rodolfojcj> ok
[15:36] <rodolfojcj> review the log files
[15:36] <Kaiser> Where are they?
[15:37] <rodolfojcj> in my system I have mainly /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log and /var/log/syslog
[15:38] <rodolfojcj> some of them may require supueruser privileges, so you could use sudo command
[15:38] <rodolfojcj> and some kind of command like less, vim, view or nano
[15:38] <rodolfojcj> I would use less
[15:39] <rodolfojcj> I mean something like this command: sudo less /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[15:40] <rodolfojcj> also, it could be useful to know if i3 uses some specific log file
[15:40] <Kaiser> Holly crap they are huge
[15:40] <rodolfojcj> go to the end
[15:40] <Kaiser> I do t even know how to start it
[15:40] <Kaiser> Ok
[15:44] <Kaiser> I'm giving up, Iis there a way to force the OS to use another wm from the start?
[15:46] <Kaiser> I'll just download gnome Ubuntu and be done with it. Bye
[15:47] <rodolfojcj> bye
[15:50] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer :-)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> plasma problems are turning potential users away from kubuntu I'm afraid , it's unfortunate that the many drastic changes  aren't mature enough for a stable OS
[16:00] <regedit> shouldt he have done sudo systemctl restart sddm?
[16:05] <TJ-> regedit: It appears to work for me at least! It's a bash shell script, I have it in "/usr/local/bin/" ... once downloaded put it where you want and don't forget to "chmod a+x ..." to make it executable, then run it   https://iam.tj/projects/misc/wget_nvidia_drivers.bash
[16:08] <BluesKaj> regedit,  or sudo systemctl enable sddm...guess we should ahve suggested that, but I had my own problem with nvidia drivers to solve here
[16:10] <BluesKaj> too bad systemd doesn't init sddm by default
[16:55] <regedit> TJ-: thanks!
[16:55] <regedit> TJ-: wow that's quite a script
[16:56] <regedit> last time i tried, i added the xorg-edgers PPA and suddenly their latest drivers were showing up in Driver Manager
[16:56] <regedit> does that have a similar effect TJ-?
[16:57] <TJ-> regedit: No. all the script does is fetch the nvidia packages
[16:57] <TJ-> regedit: It uses dpkg to install them, but they're not in apt's lists
[16:58] <regedit> is it problematic to add their PPA if all i want is the nvidia stuff? or will that cause conflicts & issues with getting other stuff from their repo as well
[16:58] <TJ-> why are you adding the PPA?
[17:11] <regedit> TJ-: last time that's the instructions i found online to do, and thereafter the xorg-edgers drivers showed up in kubuntu's Driver Manager GUI
[17:11] <regedit> which is merely cool
[17:12] <TJ-> regedit: Thats' why I said not to add the xorg-edgers PPA else along with the drivers showing up in a pretty GUI/apt, other packages will get upgraded that you don't want
[17:12] <regedit> right ok
[17:13] <regedit> alright then, your bash script it is
[17:13] <TJ-> regedit: This script just automates the task of manually downloading the correct nvidia packages from the web server that hosts that PPA's files, but without adding the PPA to apt's source lists
[17:14] <regedit> right, which is super cool actually!
[17:19] <BluesKaj> interesting TJ-, but i just install the recommended driver with apt. My 8400gs nvidia card is just entry level so it's hard to muck it up.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> except on debian jessie
[18:23] <regedit> uh, bit of a hitch here with plasmashell
[18:24] <regedit> i just recovered from a problem where .cache/ksys<wtvr>5 was owned by root
[18:24] <regedit> now things are a bit better, but no widgets and taskbar
[18:24] <regedit> with main K menu thingy icon
[18:24] <regedit> how do i restore that again please?
[18:25] <lordievader> Sounds like you opened gui apps with sudo.
[18:25] <regedit> maybe...
[18:26] <regedit> but right now find ~ -not -user regedit returns nothing
[18:26] <regedit> nor find ~ -not -group regedit
[18:27] <regedit> what were the other things to do to restore sanity to plasmashell?
[18:27] <regedit> delete .cache completely?
[18:28] <regedit> but it's all chowned and chgrped to me
[18:29] <regedit> anyone...please?
[18:31] <lordievader> !patience | regedit
[18:43] <regedit> TJ-: do i need to uninstall nouveau first?
[18:43] <regedit> TJ-: or do i just go ahead and let it install all the debs it downloaded
[18:44] <TJ-> regedit: The nvidia packages blacklist nouveau
[18:45] <regedit> TJ-: what does blacklisting mean, it takes care of removing them or something?
[18:45] <TJ-> regedit: "/etc/modprobe.d/" controls what modules can be loaded, what options they are passed, and so on. Blacklisting means a module is prevented from loading
[18:46] <regedit> ahh i see ok
[18:46] <regedit> TJ-: also there's nvidia-settings and whatitcalled... nvidia-power?
[18:46] <regedit> prime
[18:46] <regedit> nvidia-prime, aren't those needed too?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> 2optimus gpu system /
[18:47] <BluesKaj> err optimus
[18:49] <regedit> TJ-: also sudo dpkg -i . breaks with dpkg-split: error: error reading .: Is a directory
[18:51] <TJ-> regedit: hmmm, that's a good point, I'll add support for that
[18:51] <regedit> TJ-: perhaps sudo dpkg -i *.deb ?
[18:53] <regedit> TJ-: are those nvidia-* things i mentioned actually dependencies? i got some dependency problems at the end of the script
[18:54] <regedit> in fact i think they all failed due to unmet dependencies
[18:54] <regedit> nvidia-352 depends on dkms; however: Package dkms is not installed.
[18:55] <regedit> nvidia-352 depends on linux-libc-dev; however: Package linux-libc-dev is not installed.
[18:55] <regedit> and so forth
[18:55] <TJ-> regedit: I think I forgot to add -r
[18:56] <regedit> TJ-:  ah leme try that, is it ok to rerun the script over & over?
[18:56] <TJ-> regedit: Yes, it should read "  sudo dpkg -ri ."
[18:56] <TJ-> regedit: Yes, if files are already downloaded it won't fetch them again
[18:57] <regedit> TJ-: and its ok if it re-installs them or whatevr?
[18:57] <TJ-> actually -R not -r
[18:57] <regedit> ok
[18:59] <regedit> TJ-: hm same errors
[19:02] <TJ-> regedit: Ahh, I thought your system would already have DKMS installed. "sudo apt-get install dkms"
[19:02] <regedit> ok
[19:02] <regedit> is that something that helps with package dependencies?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !dkms
[19:04] <regedit> looks like apt-get -f install needs to happen after the dpkg command?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> regedit,  did you sudo dpkg --configure -a , first?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> then run -f install
[19:05] <regedit> BluesKaj: uh, no not that i know of..
[19:09] <regedit> alright well i ran all those commands now and i think things went ok this time round
[19:09] <regedit> im'a reboot and see what happens
[19:09] <BluesKaj> regedit,  normally that's what i do with dependency problems the configrue -a command then the -f install
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:10] <regedit> thanks
[19:10] <TJ-> I'll add to the script to ensure dkms is installed
[19:10]  * regedit installs weechat-curses for when things go horribly wrong and need to switch to ctrl+alt+F1
[19:10] <regedit> TJ-: awesome
[19:11] <regedit> alright here goes..
[19:16] <regedit> lo and behold, i am using weechat-curses...
[19:16] <TJ-> regedit: it worked then?
[19:16] <regedit> when i reached the login screen my monitors flashed off to black and remain that way
[19:17] <regedit> tried sudo systemctl restart sddm few times, didnt help..
[19:17] <TJ-> regedit: did you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? It may contain entries for nouveau
[19:17] <regedit> checking
[19:18] <regedit> TJ-: can't find the word nouveau in there
[19:18] <regedit> i do see some intel and some nvidia though
[19:19] <TJ-> regedit: Does the PC have low/hi power GPUs, and need nvidia-prime too?
[19:19] <regedit> TJ-: oh, i didnt install those nvidia-* things i myswlf mentioned
[19:20] <regedit> my system does have 1 embedded intel 4000, and (i guess discrete) nvidia 610M
[19:22] <regedit> should i reboot or can i just restart sddm now?
[19:22] <regedit> now that i installed nvidia-settings and nvidia-prime (and related)
[19:22] <TJ-> nvidia-prime comes from the standard archive, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime"
[19:22] <regedit> yup did that
[19:23] <regedit> i saw it re-do the DKMS thing
[19:23] <regedit> shall i reboot now?
[19:24] <TJ-> probably easiest, yes
[19:24] <regedit> k
[19:27] <regedit> aha! well that worked
[19:27] <regedit> but owww my eyes, fonts too tiny
[19:27] <regedit> dpi wrong much?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> hi res maybe small fonts as default
[19:28] <regedit> what do i need to fix, the res? the dpi? the fonts?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> system settings>application appearance
[19:30] <regedit> Application Style?
[19:32] <regedit> cant find anything relevant there...
[19:37] <BluesKaj> regedit,  sorry I'm on debian atm , look for the fonta by pssing your cursor over the application icons in sys settings , i9t's there
[19:39] <BluesKaj> they keep changingf system settings so often it's hard to remember
[19:39] <regedit> BluesKaj: so the issue in this situation is really that the fonts are out of proportion? not the nvidia drivers something?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> the fonts and dpi , plus check your resolution
[19:40] <regedit> resolution matches the monitor's capacity
[19:40] <regedit> dpi is usually 96, no?
[19:40] <regedit> so if those 2 check out, it's the fonts?
[19:41] <regedit> weird
[19:41] <BluesKaj> if you have a regular desktop monitor and the fonts are too small then the resolution might be very high
[19:42] <BluesKaj> or you have a high res screen on your laptop
[19:43] <regedit> well this monitor is supposed to be 1650x1080
[19:43] <regedit> both resolutions fill the monitor's official capacity
[19:43] <BluesKaj> check dispaly and monitor in sys settinds
[19:43] <regedit> ye i've been dancincg around there all this time now...
[19:44] <regedit> where does the config for System Settings > Fonts get saved? i wanna check what i used to have before reformatting
[19:45] <BluesKaj> dunno i just use sytem settings to find what I need and change it there
[19:47] <TJ-> regedit: I've had issues where DPI is calculated wrongly with rotated monitors. Each display *should* provide its physical dimensions to the driver in the EDID block that tells the driver what resolutions the monitor supports.
[19:48] <TJ-> regedit: first thing to check is "xrandr -q"
[19:49] <regedit> TJ-: it looks like resolutions are fine, just proportions thereafter are tiny... checking
[19:49] <regedit> yup, checks out
[19:49] <regedit> laptop display is 1366x768       60.1*+ and external monitor is 1680x1050      60.0*+
[19:50] <TJ-> yeah... but the proportions are *calcualted* by dividing the dimensions by the resolutions
[19:50] <TJ-> regedit: HDMI-0 connected primary 1200x1920+0+0 right (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 518mm x 324mm   <<<<<<< 518 x 324
[19:50] <regedit> VDS1 connected primary 1366x768+0+576 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 309mm x 173mm
[19:50] <regedit> missing *L at beginning
[19:51] <regedit> HDMI1 connected 1680x1050+1366+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 474mm x 296mm
[19:52] <BluesKaj> of course I use a large screen plasma/monitor ...linux is much better at handling res and and fonts than Windows...much more flexibility with the options on linux
[19:52] <regedit> the 1st one is the laptop monitor of my Lenovo U410. 2nd is an Acer X223W LCD
[19:53] <TJ-> regedit: so 1366/309  ~= 112dpi
[19:53] <regedit> hm
[19:54] <regedit> how does this work, is there a per-monitor DPI setting anywhere?
[19:54] <regedit> wouldnt the manufacturer specify what the right DPIs should be?
[19:54] <TJ-> regedit: It's calculated
[19:54] <TJ-> 1366 / (309 / 25.4) =~ 112 DPI
[19:55] <TJ-> 1680 / (474 / 254.4) ~= 90 DPI
[19:55] <TJ-> !typo!
[19:57] <regedit> so what does that mean then
[19:57] <TJ-> I discovered a bug where if a screen is rotated, the calculation goes wrong, in that it uses the new horizontal pixels (that was the vertical) but still uses the original horizontal width, resulting in some pretty weird and enlarged rendering
[19:58] <TJ-> regedit: do both displays look as if the characters are too small, or only one of them?
[19:59] <regedit> TJ-: does it count if i move the window back & forth between them?
[19:59] <regedit> it looks small in both it seems
[20:00] <TJ-> regedit: OK, that sounds more like the overall desktop DPI setting might need adjusting, assuming the theme/fonts are set to default currently
[20:01] <regedit> by now i increased/decreased them back & forth several times, funny thing is somethings look better some look worse...
[20:03] <TJ-> Are you forcing the font DPI?
[20:03] <regedit> currently yes (as mentioned, twiddling back & forth continuously trying to find what works
[20:04] <regedit> i think forcing 96 + increasing the font sizes by 2pt each makes things rather sane-ish
[20:04] <regedit> it's just weird that it boils down to that combo... is something *else* wrong and i'm just placing a bandaid on the issue?
[20:05] <TJ-> regedit: hard for us to imagine, but that value ought to be set to make the monitor with the smallest fonts most comfortable
[20:06] <TJ-> I'm using all1920x1200 screens so the DPI calc is constant, but I wonder if it is because you've got 2 monitors with such different DPIs its finding it difficult to pick a happy medium
[20:06] <BluesKaj> that's it for me ...calling it a day, later
[20:07] <regedit> hm
[20:07] <regedit> how come Windows figures this out somehow?..
[20:07] <regedit> what do they do, variable DPI per screen maybe?
[20:07] <regedit> or the average/difference between all dpis?
[20:08] <regedit> so i should take the middle between 90 and 112? that is roughly 96 isnt it
[20:09] <regedit> well 101 really
[20:11] <kbroulik> is driver manager not released along with 15.04, or how do I get hold of proprietary nvidia driver?
[20:13] <kbroulik> ok, seems kubuntu-driver-manager wasnt installed here but I wonder whether it comes by default
[20:15] <krytarik> kbroulik: It's a recommend of 'kubuntu-desktop', yes.
[20:16] <kbroulik> krytarik: ok thanks
[22:43] <z4g47> hi, i need help with my sound card