[01:54] <Bashing-om> I be back, playing catch up now.
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: hello :p
[05:42] <agent_white> Heya! \o
[05:42] <agent_white> What's this all about?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: the idea is, we offer alot of support, but never have a chance to talk to each other
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: so this way we can support and chat on ubuntu topics to each other
[05:43] <agent_white> Oh neat! How did you... find me out? :P
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: you have been spotted as active volunteer :p
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> we see you alot in #ubuntu right
[05:44] <agent_white> Oh wow... I'm honored haha. Thank you for extending the invite here :)  Never figured it was noticed.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: feel free to add this channel to favs
[05:45] <agent_white> lotuspsychje: Already done :)
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[05:45] <agent_white> Is this a recent channel then?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> well it was a rather non-active channel
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> as i had this idea, to gather most nicest ppl
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> we all like a cool ubuntu discussion, and offtopic channel can be so crowdy
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: good morning :p
[05:48] <TJ-> Morning :)
[05:49] <agent_white> lotuspsychje: Sounds good to me!  Again, happy/honored to hear I was 'spotted'... even though I wonder more how I was! :P
[05:50] <TJ-> 2nd task of the morning - pack up and return to CA, USA, one dead-on-arrival PCIe SSD .... grrrr. Spent a week diagnosing the failure and confirming its not a counterfeit!
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: well its easy to seperate the active,friendly volunteers from angry, ego-minded supporters
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: whats wrong with it?
[05:51] <TJ-> It's dead Jim!
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: thats the hardest thing, ive spent a week on a mobo once that was dead too
[05:52] <TJ-> It's a mini-PCIe device (direct, not mSATA etc) and it caused all the laptops to lock up during POST
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> and keeping thinking it was my fault lol
[05:52] <TJ-> So I tested it in a PCIe <> mini-PCIe adapter in an ATX desktop motherboard... and it prevented the PSU from turning on
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> sort of a hardware loop?
[05:52] <agent_white> Ah I see :)  Luckily I maybe have seen an angered-one only a few times... I just feel it's easy to put myself into the shoes of one with a question and remember when I had that same question.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: ive seen you alot in support, and never seen you angry so.. :p
[05:53] <agent_white> :D Haha never will!
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> keep up the spirit :p
[05:54] <TJ-> I contacted Super Talent support and they hinted it might be counterfeit so I sent them some macro photos of the PCB .. confirmed this morning it is genuine and they'll RMA it it. I've got the option of 2 RMAs now, them or the original retailer
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got an url on that device?
[05:55] <TJ-> Core Store Plus:   http://www.supertalent.com/products/ssd_category_detail.php?type=CoreStore&category=others
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> hmm cant find much error threads on it
[06:01] <TJ-> They beat the SATA speed bottleneck can transfer at the speed of the PCIe bus
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:02] <TJ-> SATA + SSD is a silly combination in many cases now, SATA is OK for spinning disk but not memory devices
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so take msata ssd?
[06:04] <TJ-> mSATA is just SATA on a mini-PCIe interface edge connector
[06:05] <TJ-> NGFF aka m.2 is the follow on from mSATA, but has yet another different bus and edge connector
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so your saying that ssd's should only be plugged on pcie?
[06:13] <TJ-> I'm saying connecting most disk-replacement flash memory devices via SATA is going to cause an access bottleneck and is a waste of money and electronics
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> bottleneck of 550mb/sec?
[06:17] <TJ-> But internally, it requires PCIe <> SATA controller <> connector <> SATA controller <> Address Decoder <> Memory
[06:17] <TJ-> As opposed to PCIe <> connector <> Address Decoder <> Memory
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> true its more direct
[06:18] <TJ-> So, especially for after-market upgrades of older PCs especially, (mini)-PCIe will often be much better than SATA, if available.
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:21] <TJ-> E.g., the laptop fleet we have here are all identical models (allows fast hot-swap), and have 3 mini-PCIe slots each plus the 2.5" SATA disk interface. That allows them to have 750GB SHD (SSD cache combined with spinning disk), WLAN 802.11a/b/g/n, WWAN 3/4G modem, *and* a full flash 'SSD'
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> sounds nice
[06:25] <TJ-> and they still have the ExpressCard interface - another PCIe port - which I have connected to an external full sized PCIe enclosure with an Nvidia NVS420 dual-GPU PCIe  adapter, which allows me 3 GPUs and 6 screens in total.
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> for the heavy workers
[06:25] <TJ-> more expandable than most desktops :)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> well the customers i will have will do fine on sata+ samsung pro 850 ssd with ubuntu64bit
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> but if i see available mini pcie ill think of you
[06:27] <TJ-> :)
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: http://www.fastestssd.com/featured/ssd-rankings-the-fastest-solid-state-drives/#pcie
[06:29] <agent_white> lotuspsychje: You laying down these factoids has lead me to read about ubottu's factoids and aliases of them.  Good to know :)
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> Up to 3200MB/s read
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> Up to 1900MB/s write
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> impressive that first one
[06:30] <TJ-> Yes, those are commonly used in database servers
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: :p
[06:31] <TJ-> It's the IOPS that's most important in that class
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: Random 4K Write: Up to 205,000 IOPS (700GB)
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> crazy
[06:32] <TJ-> That's pretty typical of the demands for that class of device
[06:32] <TJ-> it's not about throughput so much as the number of I/O operations the device can handle
[06:34] <TJ-> In virtualised servers that can be much more important, if you've got 30-100 guests all needing to access their disk images in the routine way that OS and applications do
[06:35] <agent_white> lotuspsychje: Time to write factoids on flashcards... I've been wanting to learn more of them.
[06:35] <agent_white> ;)
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah alot of servers use ssd these days
[06:42] <TJ-> Won't be long until we have more RAM-SSDs making it down to the consumer level
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> that would be nice
[06:57] <TJ-> Is it irony that when I start xSANE it reports "Scanning for devices" :)
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> linux jokes :p
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ cowsay Scanning for devices mooo
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[07:23] <histo> lol
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:23] <histo> wasn't there owlsay aslo
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ- started it!
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> !info owlsay
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> histo: i found cowsay -f duck or sheep :p
[07:29] <histo> nice
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[07:29] <lotuspsychje> histo: lol
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> http://smashingtips.com/linux/cool-terminal-commands-for-linux
[07:30] <histo> stegasaurus
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> haha
[08:16] <TJ-> histo: You might want to read the back-log on SashaGrey's issue; TLDR: remote headless dedicated server, failing to mount /home/ file-system at boot and drops to initrd. No remote KVM, no IPMI, only 'remote hands' via email. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/11854634/
[08:17] <TJ-> I let it go once I found out there's no remote ability, and no data back-ups
[10:26] <agent_white> Sounds like Ben64 and k1l_ should be here! I've seen them around quite a bit.
[10:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> G'Day folks
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hi again
[13:23] <ExecSlim> If I found a bug in ubuntu and I found the bug on launchpad but the bug is for a different machine type (a lenovo), would it be appropriate for me to comment about my issue on my computer and attach what errors I'm getting?
[13:24] <ExecSlim> found it on launchpad*
[13:40] <daftykins> still not a support channel
[13:58] <lordievader> ExecSlim: Even though this ain't support I'd add your comment if the bug matches.
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[14:41] <lordievader> o/
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> hello lordievader
[16:52] <ExecSlim> Out of curiosity, has anyone dual booted windows and ubuntu on a macbook pro, and erased the "mac" partition? If that's possible is it possible to reinstall mac?
[17:04] <daftykins> this is NOT a support channel
[17:04] <daftykins> it's in the topic! leave and ask in #ubuntu if you want support.
[17:55] <daftykins> got the rest of my lovely new bike part snaps - http://imgur.com/a/mVMyQ
[17:57] <OerHeks> You might as well buy a new bike man
[17:58] <daftykins> ;) hell no
[17:58] <daftykins> £90 of parts on a £1900 bike :)
[17:59] <OerHeks> :-O
[17:59] <daftykins> did well for 7 years old!
[18:00] <OerHeks> Sure, after 5+ years you need to do maintanance on the chain. On that point i buy a new bike
[18:01] <ExecSlim> daftykins, oops! For future reference, how does #ubuntu-discuss differ from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:01] <daftykins> ExecSlim: read the damn topic
[18:01] <lordievader> ExecSlim: I'm not in #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[18:01] <OerHeks> ExecSlim, your Q is suitable for #ubuntu support i guess
[18:02] <ExecSlim> Okay sounds good, sorry about that
[18:02] <ExecSlim> just posted it into #ubuntu
[18:03] <OerHeks> I cannot tell what the osx installer wants from your hdd, freedom to partition or guided.
[18:06] <ExecSlim> OerHeks right now I am just dual booting ubuntu and mac, but I want to erase mac and replace it with windows. However, I'm afraid that I won't be able to get mac back
[19:40] <DJones> daftykins: Do the new parts help avoiding crashes and hospital visits?
[19:41] <daftykins> that's not in the least bit funny
[19:41] <daftykins> in fact, you are a complete asshole.
[19:41] <DJones> daftykins: Genuine question, are you fully recovered
[19:41] <daftykins> fuck you.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> oh my ..wth was that about ?
[19:49] <daftykins> someone finding humour in what they shouldn't.