[01:54] I be back, playing catch up now. [05:40] good morning to all [05:42] agent_white: hello :p [05:42] Heya! \o [05:42] What's this all about? [05:42] agent_white: the idea is, we offer alot of support, but never have a chance to talk to each other [05:43] agent_white: so this way we can support and chat on ubuntu topics to each other [05:43] Oh neat! How did you... find me out? :P [05:43] agent_white: you have been spotted as active volunteer :p [05:43] we see you alot in #ubuntu right [05:44] Oh wow... I'm honored haha. Thank you for extending the invite here :) Never figured it was noticed. [05:44] agent_white: feel free to add this channel to favs [05:45] lotuspsychje: Already done :) [05:45] tnx mate [05:45] Is this a recent channel then? [05:45] well it was a rather non-active channel [05:45] as i had this idea, to gather most nicest ppl [05:46] we all like a cool ubuntu discussion, and offtopic channel can be so crowdy [05:48] TJ-: good morning :p [05:48] Morning :) [05:49] lotuspsychje: Sounds good to me! Again, happy/honored to hear I was 'spotted'... even though I wonder more how I was! :P [05:50] 2nd task of the morning - pack up and return to CA, USA, one dead-on-arrival PCIe SSD .... grrrr. Spent a week diagnosing the failure and confirming its not a counterfeit! [05:50] agent_white: well its easy to seperate the active,friendly volunteers from angry, ego-minded supporters [05:51] TJ-: whats wrong with it? [05:51] It's dead Jim! [05:51] lol [05:51] TJ-: thats the hardest thing, ive spent a week on a mobo once that was dead too [05:52] It's a mini-PCIe device (direct, not mSATA etc) and it caused all the laptops to lock up during POST [05:52] and keeping thinking it was my fault lol [05:52] So I tested it in a PCIe <> mini-PCIe adapter in an ATX desktop motherboard... and it prevented the PSU from turning on [05:52] sort of a hardware loop? [05:52] Ah I see :) Luckily I maybe have seen an angered-one only a few times... I just feel it's easy to put myself into the shoes of one with a question and remember when I had that same question. [05:53] agent_white: ive seen you alot in support, and never seen you angry so.. :p [05:53] :D Haha never will! [05:53] keep up the spirit :p [05:54] I contacted Super Talent support and they hinted it might be counterfeit so I sent them some macro photos of the PCB .. confirmed this morning it is genuine and they'll RMA it it. I've got the option of 2 RMAs now, them or the original retailer [05:54] TJ-: got an url on that device? [05:55] Core Store Plus: http://www.supertalent.com/products/ssd_category_detail.php?type=CoreStore&category=others [05:57] hmm cant find much error threads on it [06:01] They beat the SATA speed bottleneck can transfer at the speed of the PCIe bus [06:01] nice [06:02] SATA + SSD is a silly combination in many cases now, SATA is OK for spinning disk but not memory devices [06:03] TJ-: so take msata ssd? [06:04] mSATA is just SATA on a mini-PCIe interface edge connector [06:05] NGFF aka m.2 is the follow on from mSATA, but has yet another different bus and edge connector [06:06] TJ-: so your saying that ssd's should only be plugged on pcie? [06:13] I'm saying connecting most disk-replacement flash memory devices via SATA is going to cause an access bottleneck and is a waste of money and electronics [06:13] bottleneck of 550mb/sec? [06:17] But internally, it requires PCIe <> SATA controller <> connector <> SATA controller <> Address Decoder <> Memory [06:17] As opposed to PCIe <> connector <> Address Decoder <> Memory [06:18] true its more direct [06:18] So, especially for after-market upgrades of older PCs especially, (mini)-PCIe will often be much better than SATA, if available. [06:21] ok [06:21] E.g., the laptop fleet we have here are all identical models (allows fast hot-swap), and have 3 mini-PCIe slots each plus the 2.5" SATA disk interface. That allows them to have 750GB SHD (SSD cache combined with spinning disk), WLAN 802.11a/b/g/n, WWAN 3/4G modem, *and* a full flash 'SSD' [06:22] sounds nice [06:25] and they still have the ExpressCard interface - another PCIe port - which I have connected to an external full sized PCIe enclosure with an Nvidia NVS420 dual-GPU PCIe adapter, which allows me 3 GPUs and 6 screens in total. [06:25] lol [06:25] for the heavy workers [06:25] more expandable than most desktops :) [06:26] well the customers i will have will do fine on sata+ samsung pro 850 ssd with ubuntu64bit [06:26] but if i see available mini pcie ill think of you [06:27] :) [06:28] TJ-: http://www.fastestssd.com/featured/ssd-rankings-the-fastest-solid-state-drives/#pcie [06:29] lotuspsychje: You laying down these factoids has lead me to read about ubottu's factoids and aliases of them. Good to know :) [06:29] Up to 3200MB/s read [06:29] Up to 1900MB/s write [06:29] impressive that first one [06:30] Yes, those are commonly used in database servers [06:30] agent_white: :p [06:31] It's the IOPS that's most important in that class [06:32] TJ-: Random 4K Write: Up to 205,000 IOPS (700GB) [06:32] crazy [06:32] That's pretty typical of the demands for that class of device [06:32] it's not about throughput so much as the number of I/O operations the device can handle [06:34] In virtualised servers that can be much more important, if you've got 30-100 guests all needing to access their disk images in the routine way that OS and applications do [06:35] lotuspsychje: Time to write factoids on flashcards... I've been wanting to learn more of them. [06:35] ;) [06:36] TJ-: yeah alot of servers use ssd these days [06:42] Won't be long until we have more RAM-SSDs making it down to the consumer level [06:45] that would be nice [06:57] Is it irony that when I start xSANE it reports "Scanning for devices" :) [06:57] lol [06:58] linux jokes :p [07:06] lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ cowsay Scanning for devices mooo [07:06] ___________________________ [07:06] < Scanning for devices mooo > [07:06] --------------------------- [07:06] \ ^__^ [07:06] \ (oo)\_______ [07:06] (__)\ )\/\ [07:06] ||----w | [07:06] || || [07:23] lol [07:23] :p [07:23] wasn't there owlsay aslo [07:24] TJ- started it! [07:24] !info owlsay [07:24] Package owlsay does not exist in vivid [07:28] histo: i found cowsay -f duck or sheep :p [07:29] nice [07:29] ____ _____ __ [07:29] / ___/ _ \ \ / / [07:29] | | | | | \ \ /\ / / [07:29] | |__| |_| |\ V V / [07:29] \____\___/ \_/\_/ [07:29] [07:29] histo: lol [07:29] http://smashingtips.com/linux/cool-terminal-commands-for-linux [07:30] stegasaurus [07:30] haha [08:16] histo: You might want to read the back-log on SashaGrey's issue; TLDR: remote headless dedicated server, failing to mount /home/ file-system at boot and drops to initrd. No remote KVM, no IPMI, only 'remote hands' via email. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/11854634/ [08:17] I let it go once I found out there's no remote ability, and no data back-ups [10:26] Sounds like Ben64 and k1l_ should be here! I've seen them around quite a bit. [10:47] Good afternoon. [10:49] G'Day folks [11:24] Hi again [13:23] If I found a bug in ubuntu and I found the bug on launchpad but the bug is for a different machine type (a lenovo), would it be appropriate for me to comment about my issue on my computer and attach what errors I'm getting? [13:24] found it on launchpad* [13:40] still not a support channel [13:58] ExecSlim: Even though this ain't support I'd add your comment if the bug matches. [14:39] good afternoon [14:41] o/ [14:42] hello lordievader [16:52] Out of curiosity, has anyone dual booted windows and ubuntu on a macbook pro, and erased the "mac" partition? If that's possible is it possible to reinstall mac? [17:04] this is NOT a support channel [17:04] it's in the topic! leave and ask in #ubuntu if you want support. [17:55] got the rest of my lovely new bike part snaps - http://imgur.com/a/mVMyQ [17:57] You might as well buy a new bike man [17:58] ;) hell no [17:58] £90 of parts on a £1900 bike :) [17:59] :-O [17:59] did well for 7 years old! [18:00] Sure, after 5+ years you need to do maintanance on the chain. On that point i buy a new bike [18:01] daftykins, oops! For future reference, how does #ubuntu-discuss differ from #ubuntu-offtopic? [18:01] ExecSlim: read the damn topic [18:01] ExecSlim: I'm not in #ubuntu-offtopic ;) [18:01] ExecSlim, your Q is suitable for #ubuntu support i guess [18:02] Okay sounds good, sorry about that [18:02] just posted it into #ubuntu [18:03] I cannot tell what the osx installer wants from your hdd, freedom to partition or guided. [18:06] OerHeks right now I am just dual booting ubuntu and mac, but I want to erase mac and replace it with windows. However, I'm afraid that I won't be able to get mac back [19:40] daftykins: Do the new parts help avoiding crashes and hospital visits? [19:41] that's not in the least bit funny [19:41] in fact, you are a complete asshole. [19:41] daftykins: Genuine question, are you fully recovered [19:41] fuck you. [19:47] oh my ..wth was that about ? [19:49] someone finding humour in what they shouldn't.