[01:36] <feorz> hi
[01:36] <feorz> hello
[05:54] <sturmflut> Good morning!
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> mornin sturmflut
[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[06:39] <sturmflut> dholbach: Morning!
[06:40] <sturmflut> ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1473246
[06:41] <sturmflut> ogra_: that's just one of the USB problems regarding arale I am currently looking at
[06:45] <sturmflut> And I'm not convinced that arale simply has a "weak" USB chip
[06:49] <ogra_> sturmflut, it doesnt do any harm on the bq devices ...
[06:57] <sturmflut> ogra_: Different device kernels (with different patches), different USB chips and different drivers.
[07:24] <sturmflut> I don't really see any actual low-level USB errors when e.g. MTP doesn't work, it's not like the device suddenly falls from the bus mid-communication. They talk to each other until the end, they just don't agree at some point and libusb can't claim the device's interface.
[07:25] <ogra_> i do
[07:25] <ogra_> (and i dont have modemmanager installed ...)
[07:29] <sturmflut> Which low-level errors do you see?
[07:29] <ogra_> reset events for the USB ...
[07:30] <sturmflut> Hmmm
[07:30] <ogra_> these are also seen under flyme afaik
[07:32] <sturmflut> Are you sure those aren't caused by libmtp? Because libmtp actually goes and tells the kernel to do a reset when libusb_claim_interface fails
[07:32] <sturmflut> "ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again after resetting USB interface"
[07:32] <ogra_> yes, i'm sure ....
[07:32] <ogra_> they come from the kernel tellling me the peer is gone
[07:33] <sturmflut> So we seem to have multiple error sources then.
[07:33] <sturmflut> \o/
[07:43] <zubozrout> Hi, I just created an event on Android and once Ubuntu Calendar app synced it with Google account it shows me the event moved by two hour forward - I am in UTC+2. It should start at 9:30AM but it according to Ubuntu Calendar starts at 11:30AM.
[07:43] <zubozrout> dholbach reported a bug regarding this yesterday https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1473068 ... but I not only see it wrong in the indicator but also in the app.
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Don’t Step On A Bee Day! 😃
[10:15] <sturmflut> Since the discussion has started again on the ML: What's the plan for voice and video chat on Ubuntu? Telepathy plugins?
[10:19] <popey> sturmflut: one for tvoss i _think_
[10:20] <tvoss> sturmflut, popey in the works, please stay patient a little longer
[10:21] <sturmflut> \o/
[10:21] <popey> \o/
[10:21] <sturmflut> tvoss: Standard question: "Is there a public design document for it"
[10:21] <sturmflut> "And if yes, does it contain a panda"
[10:21] <sturmflut> "If no, why not"
[10:21] <tvoss> sturmflut, standard answer: not yet, on purpose :9
[10:22] <tvoss> sturmflut, no pandas, but maybe dragons ;)
[10:23] <popey> http://imgur.com/gallery/XS5LK
[10:23] <sturmflut> Who doesn't ;)
[10:23] <sturmflut> It is my understanding that the panda has now been officially endorsed by Canonical management to represent everything
[10:25] <tvoss> popey, lol
[11:11]  * mcphail is going to get his daughter to make him a Panda Love phone case from hama beads
[11:16] <popey> thats freaking brilliant!
[11:27] <sturmflut> mcphail, popey this Panda Love thing escalated pretty quickly
[11:29] <sturmflut> They are trying to flash Android/Flyme on Ubuntu phones and back again on the mailing list m( people will never learn
[11:30] <sturmflut> Including step-by-step instructions!
[11:35] <mcphail> I like the flyme music app icon
[11:36] <sturmflut> Awaiting the first Ubuntu-Flyme mashup image
[12:40] <Sleep_Walker> I can send sms through SSH now :)
[12:40] <Sleep_Walker> can I also read notifications and incomming SMS?
[13:21] <davmor2> sturmflut: you probably can't see this if you are in germany but popey will be laughing his head off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnQKET83qKg
[13:24] <sturmflut> davmor2: I can watch it! Obviously it's a well-known fact in the marketing industry that there is a direct correlation between pandas and skyrocketing product sales.
[13:25] <sturmflut> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0pVEoQ9sqw I shouldn't have searched for it
[13:26] <sturmflut> popey: ^^
[13:27] <popey> :)
[14:19] <Sleep_Walker> how can I install socat without corrupting anything?
[14:19] <Sleep_Walker> will I be doomed with `sudo apt-get install socat'?
[14:20] <Sleep_Walker> will my telephone explode?
[14:21] <praxy> Sleep_Walker: well you'd have to mount the / in read-write for the apt-get to work
[14:22] <praxy> it's unsupported officially
[14:22] <praxy> and with a system update you'd loose what you installed again
[14:22] <praxy> s/loose/lose/
[14:22] <praxy> I wonder what the supported way is too.. chroot I think
[14:25] <Sleep_Walker> so, I will only loose changes after system update
[14:25] <Sleep_Walker> that is not that bad
[14:25] <Sleep_Walker> btw. are the updates available through ubuntu repositories?
[14:26] <praxy> Sleep_Walker: the way you usually update phone is with an image
[14:26] <praxy> so the image overwrites your changes
[14:27] <praxy> if you update with apt-get, there will be updates there but it will overwritten later by the newer image..
[14:27] <praxy> at least that's what I understand of it
[14:28] <Sleep_Walker> praxy: that sounds correct, but does not answer the question :)
[14:28] <praxy> ah maybe I misunderstood :D
[14:29] <Sleep_Walker> it is about how the system image is generated
[14:29] <praxy> the image updates are not in apt, if that's your question. I don't know what kind of voodoo makes that happen on low level
[14:29] <Sleep_Walker> is it built from packages?
[14:29] <Sleep_Walker> OK, I should ask my phone, which files are not present in any package to have the answer :)
[14:30] <Sleep_Walker> to have apt working I need to have correct package manager metadata
[14:31] <Sleep_Walker> If lets say bash is part of image, I need to have information that bash is installed in metadata as well (and metadata are files on system image again)
[14:31] <Sleep_Walker> so it makes sense to have system image built from packages with possible something on top
[14:32] <praxy> Sleep_Walker: for making apt work, see this answer : https://askubuntu.com/questions/536333/ubuntu-touch-using-apt-get
[14:32] <praxy> though personally I just did  sudo mount -o remount,rw / via adb
[14:33] <Sleep_Walker> yeah
[14:34] <Sleep_Walker> I'm not on ubuntu so I have no phablet-tools available anyway
[15:43] <abeato> bfiller_, I took a look at bug #1471338, I did not see anything relevant in the traces
[15:44] <abeato> bfiller_, I added some instructions on how to obtain more trace
[15:44] <abeato> *s
[15:44] <bfiller_> abeato: ok thanks, I will try and get more tracing for you. seems like ofono not notifying upper layers and call eventually goes to voicemail
[15:45] <abeato> bfiller_, also, it is a behaviour I have never seen, I wonder if it happens only for some operators/countries
[15:45] <bfiller_> abeato: not sure, a bunch of people have reported it
[15:45] <bfiller_> abeato: it acts as if ofono thinks it's offline or doesn't have a connection/signal
[15:46] <abeato> bfiller_, difficult to say, let's see if more traces give more info
[16:00] <ogra_> pitti, you really dont want unity8-autopilot preinstalled until someone fixed the need to mangle evdev permissions and emulate a mouse
[16:11] <ogra_> mzanetti, why does my spread suddenly re-order all the time ?
[16:11] <mzanetti> ogra_, huh? it does?
[16:11] <ogra_> (i mean, the animation looks nice and all, but whats the ourpose)
[16:11] <ogra_> *purpose
[16:11] <mzanetti> erm...
[16:12] <mzanetti> can you elaborate?
[16:12] <ogra_> yeah, windows change order live while the spread is open
[16:12]  * ogra_ had that two times now 
[16:13]  * ogra_ had the dash move two places up in the stack with an animation as if you pull out the card and stick it back in
[16:13] <ogra_> cant repro it now
[16:13] <ogra_> weird
[16:14] <ogra_> can that even be or am i hallucinating ?
[16:20] <mzanetti> ogra_, I think I know what you mean... there's a bug when the dash moves across the screen in some certain circumstances
[16:20] <mzanetti> ogra_, yesterday evening we manage to reproduce it and fix is on the way
[16:20] <matv1> anyone know whats up with the telegram service?
[16:20] <mzanetti> matv1, DDOS
[16:20] <matv1> i thought only asia was affected
[16:21] <mzanetti> matv1, https://twitter.com/telegram/status/619515927353278464
[16:22] <matv1> mzanetti I am able to connect on web and desktop though. weird
[16:23] <mzanetti> well, I'm having some conversation in there too
[16:23] <mzanetti> but not all of my devices are able to connect
[16:23] <matv1> same here
[16:23] <davmor2> mzanetti: no you are not you only think you are, the matrix has you now ;)
[16:23] <mzanetti> davmor2, ye... was just explaining the situation to matv1
[16:25] <davmor2> matv1: I think it is literally if your device is lucky it connects, if not try again later
[16:26] <matv1> mzanetti davmor2 I have 2 mobiles doing utouch. both not being able to connect since this started. web and desktop unaffected so far
[16:28] <matv1> But I can and will do what Neo never thought of at all..
[16:29]  * matv1 will go and have a beer
[16:29] <ogra_> mzanetti, phew, i thought i go insane :D
[16:29] <mzanetti> ogra_, hehe
[16:29]  * mzanetti figured a way to drive ogra mad 
[16:30] <mzanetti> muahaahaha
[16:30] <ogra_> lol
[16:35] <davmor2> mzanetti: just don't tell ogra_ there are issues, tell him it's a glitch in the matrix and the next thing you know he'll be suffering deja vu :)
[16:36] <ogra_> davmor2, no worries, i picked the other pill
[16:36] <davmor2> ogra_: so they told you muhahahahahahaha
[16:37] <ogra_> lol
[16:48] <alin> hi
[16:48] <alin> is there any way to safely reflash ubuntu meizu?
[17:14] <mariogrip> linux_qmi_qmux_io.c: Unable to open port id /dev/smdcntl0, error [19:No such device] anyone?
[17:31] <sturmflut> You're all wrong. ogra_ does no longer exist. He is merely a simulation inside of Snappy Skynet, I've been calling him "Snappy Ogra" for a while now.
[17:32] <sturmflut> It is actually quite nice like this. If you get him angry, just reflash with ubuntu-device-flash --wipe
[17:32] <tathhu> :D
[17:33] <tathhu> morning
[18:01] <davmor2> sturmflut: but ogra_ is never angry,  he's the happiest, grumpy looking German I know :)
[18:42] <Issed> It's very quiet here
[18:45] <Issed> Maybe it's a time difference thing
[18:46] <davmor2> Issed: most of Europe is possibly heading home or having evening meals or at the pub
[18:47] <Issed> Yes, I should be in the pub
[18:56] <tathhu> :D
[18:56] <tathhu> Indeed
[19:12] <guest1234567890> Hi,
[19:12] <guest1234567890> I a problem
[19:12] <popey> hello
[19:13] <guest1234567890> I am trying to install git on my devices
[19:13] <guest1234567890> and I obtain that:
[19:13] <guest1234567890> apt-get install -f git W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:13] <guest1234567890> but if I disable the read-write mode I lose OTA
[19:13] <popey> the filesystem is read only by default
[19:13] <popey> no, you don't
[19:13] <popey> you can still OTA
[19:13] <popey> but you get full updates every time
[19:13] <popey> and you lose your changes :)
[19:14] <popey> (also, we don't really support doing that because you could really break your device)
[19:14] <popey> but it's your device, so if you want to break it, thats fine too! :D
[19:14] <guest1234567890> Ok, I want just install git and test a script on my device
[19:14] <guest1234567890> I don't care if I break my device :P I want want run my script ;)
[19:14] <popey> :)
[19:14] <guest1234567890> A fresh install is easy :)
[19:14] <popey> indeed!
[19:14] <popey> have fun!
[19:16] <guest1234567890> So the only way to don't lose my chance is never update my devices after this?
[19:16] <guest1234567890> I need to install python-dev, python-pip, and git
[19:17] <guest1234567890> So after each update I will lose this stuff?
[19:17] <guest1234567890> "stuff" ;)
[19:20] <guest1234567890> or update my device via ubuntu-device-flash will not lose my change?
[19:24] <guest1234567890> done, read-write mode disabled
[19:24] <guest1234567890> now what?
[19:24] <guest1234567890> I am installing my script
[19:25] <guest1234567890> but I don't understand the upgrade part
[19:25] <guest1234567890> now I can update my device anymore?
[19:25] <guest1234567890> can't*
[19:27] <davmor2> guest1234567890: you can but any changes to the read only section will become read only image again so you lose python python-pip etc your script if you leave it in the home partition should be fine
[19:28] <davmor2> guest1234567890: every update no matter how you do it will overwrite the partition with the ubuntu part in and leave you with a fresh read only partition
[19:28] <guest1234567890> Oh ok
[19:29] <guest1234567890> (separe question: Canonical will "fix" this for the new BQ phone?)
[19:30] <guest1234567890> (separe question: 'cause meaning we can't install software on software-center on the phone-pc device)
[19:32] <davmor2> guest1234567890: the click software you install from the store remains on the device they are stored in their own writable part of the system away from the main ubuntu part
[19:34] <guest1234567890> davmor2: Ow, so we can override where apt install the software
[19:35] <davmor2> guest1234567890: the converged device doesn't use apt.  It will either use clicks or snaps, and they are segregated for security reasons from the main system.  This helps protect the end user as much as possible.
[19:37] <guest1234567890> Oh ok, so it will limit number of softwares no? non all software provide a click package...
[19:38] <davmor2> guest1234567890: work in progress so no idea on that
[19:38] <guest1234567890> ok.
[19:39] <guest1234567890> thanks!
[19:41] <xangua> does the browser uses webkit or blink¿ thanks
[19:42] <kenvandine> xangua, oxide, which is based on blink
[19:48] <guest1234567890> Hey 'back
[19:48] <guest1234567890> I have another issue
[19:49] <guest1234567890> On my device hcitool scan on terminal show me the nearby bluetooth device
[19:49] <guest1234567890> but now the gui
[19:57] <guest1234567890> not*
[23:09] <PalleS> Hey mates!
[23:10] <PalleS> How do i get an invite to mx4? :$
[23:14] <PalleS> Noope? :(
[23:15] <popey> heh
[23:15] <popey> PalleS: i think you can either, click around on the website, or wait until that marketing stuff is over and just buy one normally :)