[00:13] <diddledan> microsoftie talking about users "self-blaming" when something goes wrong: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/BadUXAndUserSelfBlameImSorryImNotAComputerPerson.aspx
[00:13] <diddledan> it's a good read
[02:49] <mapp> hi
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[02:57] <diddledan> lo
[03:26] <mapp> hm
[03:26] <mapp> quitw hot here again
[03:34] <zmoylan-pi> [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Mostly Cloudy | Temp: 15C/59F/288K/518R | Humidity: 88% | Wind Speed 9mph/14kmph
[03:51]  * zmoylan-pi listens to seagulls outside... doesn't bode well for weather
[04:08] <mapp> im smoking about 40/day  now
[04:08] <mapp> argh
[05:06] <MarkDude>  /join #opensuse-de
[05:07] <mapp> welll  thats a bit of fun eh
[05:07] <mapp> my sister got held at gunpoint a tottenham hale
[05:07] <zmoylan-pi> hope she's ok
[05:08] <mapp> yea she's fine///
[05:08] <mapp> but what the hell
[05:09] <mapp> she was with her boyfriend luckily
[05:09] <zmoylan-pi> stuff nicked from them?
[05:10] <mapp> just her bag and iphone
[05:10] <mapp> who cares about that
[05:10] <zmoylan-pi> there might be sentimental stuff in her bag
[05:11] <mapp> i keep telling people london isnt the dream they think
[05:11] <mapp> im glad to have left the uk
[05:11] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think there's anywhere that's free of crime
[05:12] <mapp> dad was traveling
[05:12] <diddledan> amazingstoke. flip yeah!
[05:12] <mapp> to stoke from euston
[05:12] <mapp> and someone tried grabbing his bag
[05:13] <mapp> he was a prison officer for 40 years....h isnt getting mugged off
[05:13] <mapp> people are scum
[05:13] <zmoylan-pi> some people are scum
[05:18] <mapp> why cant people be nice
[05:32] <diddledan> some people are nice
[05:42] <mapp> told with my arabic i can come with or get lost
[05:42]  * mapp speaks arabic
[07:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:13] <bujji> MooDoo:o/
[07:15] <mapp> mrning
[07:16] <mapp> what am i gonna do? seriously one of you must smoke
[07:16] <mapp> i cant stop:(
[07:19] <diplo> Morning all
[07:19] <diplo> I smoke mapp
[07:19] <bujji> morning
[07:20] <diplo> Haven't read up though, git a e-cig and cut down maybe if you can't just quit
[07:21] <bujji> like sshpass -p ----- how cn i do it for sftp
[07:25] <diddledan> care to elaborate your question, bujji ?
[07:25] <mapp> morning diplo
[07:25] <diddledan> allo diplo
[07:27] <bujji> diddleadan:how can i pass password without automating password for ftp
[07:28] <diddledan> bujji: you said sftp - that's not ftp. for sftp you should use an ssh-key
[07:28] <bujji> diddledan:okey sftp
[07:29] <diplo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys--2
[07:29] <diplo> bujji:
[07:30] <diplo> Then you can just do scp file user@domain.tld:/path
[07:30] <bujji> diplo:so how can i use that ssh key in sftp
[07:30] <diplo> Read the documentation, it'll explain
[07:31] <diplo> But basically, you create a key locally, you copy your public key to server and then you connect
[07:31] <diplo> In very simple terms
[07:31] <diplo> :)
[07:31] <bujji> diplo :without automation
[07:32] <diplo> No option afaik to pass a password to ssh over cli afaaik with a switch as it's not seure
[07:32] <diplo> Could use a script to do it, but SSH keys are what you want
[07:33] <bujji> sshpass -p <password> user@host ---this can connect?
[07:34] <diddledan> err
[07:34] <diddledan> there's no programme called sshpass
[07:34] <diplo> ssThere is :)
[07:34] <diplo> JHust looked myself
[07:34] <bujji> diddledan:what arr?
[07:35] <diplo> NAME sshpass - noninteractive ssh password provider
[07:35] <diddledan> so there is
[07:35] <diddledan> it's not default tho
[07:35] <diplo> I've never installed it, but it's on my system
[07:35] <mapp> ahhh damnit
[07:35] <mapp> gotta get a flight for december
[07:36] <mapp> se my sister and dad and that around Purley Way
[07:36] <diplo> Never used it bujji, not sure why you want to use it as it's not overly secure ?
[07:36] <diplo> You'll need to read it from a file or something, I'd still say ssh keys and nothing else
[07:36] <diddledan> diplo: not installed here
[07:37] <mapp> croydon again;( 3x in 5 years
[07:37] <mapp> 3x too much
[07:37] <diddledan> from sshpass package description: "SECURITY NOTE: There is a reason openssh insists that passwords be typed interactively. Passwords are harder to store securely and to pass around securely between programs. If you have not looked into solving your needs using SSH's "public key authentication", perhaps in conjunction with the ssh agent (RTFM ssh-add), please do so before being tempted into using this package."
[07:37] <bujji> diplo:yes,if it stored in file which option should i use for sftp
[07:39] <bujji> diddledan:yup
[07:39] <bujji> but how can i use that one in sftp
[07:39] <diddledan> bujji: it'll just work
[07:39] <bujji> not sharing public key
[07:39] <diddledan> public keys are meant to be shared
[07:40] <diddledan> that's why they're called "public"
[07:41] <bujji> diddledan:i dont want to share the public key how can i give password using options for sftp
[07:41] <diddledan> why don't you want to share a public key?
[07:42] <diplo> Basically it's telling you not to use it in the program itself
[07:42] <bujji> diddledan:other way))
[07:44] <diplo> bujji: Either use that program which i'd say not to or write a shell script to do it for you if you don't want to interact
[07:44] <diplo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5386482/how-to-run-the-sftp-command-with-a-password-from-bash-script
[07:45] <diddledan> it's still "the wrong way" to do it
[07:45] <diplo> First answer
[07:45] <diplo> It sure is :)
[07:47] <bujji> diplo:i will try))
[07:49] <diplo> I still don't recommend it though bujji ssh-keys is what you want, I don't know why you don't want to use it
[08:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <mapps> morning
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning mapps
[09:01] <diddledan> allo brobostigon
[09:02] <diddledan> does anyone have any insight into what the timeline for ubuntu universal apps is (i.e. being able to run click mobile apps on the desktop and vice versa)
[09:03] <brobostigon> hi diddledan
[09:03] <diddledan> I've seen video of someone running libreoffice on a phone - that was a bit... ott methinks :-p
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:04] <diddledan> hiya
[09:04] <davmor2> and the song in my head this morning is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg
[09:05] <diddledan> davmor2: do you get a song per morning?
[09:05] <diddledan> methinks you should start making the morning playlist for us
[09:05] <davmor2> diddledan: Pretty much some mornings it is the same one but on the whole I'll wake up with a chorus rattling around in my head
[09:06] <diddledan> lol
[09:08] <davmor2> diddledan: So over the weekend it was mostly songs from the Blues Brothers as we saw it again Friday Night :)
[09:08] <diddledan> great movie
[09:11] <davmor2> diddledan: My wife has seen it in bits but never the whole film start to finish and wanted to see it, how could I refuse her :)
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Don’t Step On A Bee Day! 😃
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> as they have 30,000 mates who they can count on...
[09:18] <popey> I have never seen Blues Brothers
[09:19] <JamesTait> Really, popey? How come?
[09:20] <davmor2> popey: shame on you, you have a week off and no excuse
[09:20] <shauno> raised by wolves?
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> they broke his watch? :-)
[09:21] <davmor2> diddledan: http://open.spotify.com/user/1142386698/playlist/2nlSxBLEbfKpvDqSDG8hP8 just for you :)
[09:21] <JamesTait> Maybe just didn't fancy it. Musicals aren't everyone's cup of tea.
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> most musicals don't have such great music
[09:22] <JamesTait> Very true.
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> performed by the people who originally made it
[09:30] <DJones> JamesTait: To my horror, my wife loves musicals...Annie, High School Musical, Sound of music etc.......Earplug time
[09:31] <diddledan> I have a penchant for musical theature
[09:31] <diddledan> --u
[09:31] <diddledan> really wanna see wicked
[09:32] <diddledan> I'm not sure what's playing in the westend these days tho
[09:32] <JamesTait> DJones, to be honest, most musicals get on my nerves.
[09:32] <diplo> Rock of Ages was alright
[09:33] <DJones> I don't mind some, Blue brothers etc, but less so the soppy/screaming kid type musicals
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> and most musicals don't have such great car chases...
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> with nazis...
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> illinois nazis...
[10:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:43] <diddledan> that's impressive, windows update. it's installing update 6 of 1
[10:43] <diddledan> 10 of 1
[10:43] <diddledan> 17 of 1
[10:44] <popey> 1e10
[10:44] <diddledan> and now it's actually doing some downloading
[10:51] <foobarry> went on roof to see the flypast
[11:09] <diplo> Anyone recommend a tower server for running 5-6 small linux VM's locally for dev etc
[11:09] <diplo> Bit out of the game now a days
[11:10] <diplo> Just looking at the HP ML range atm
[11:11] <foobarry> even a poweredge 2950 would be OK
[11:11] <foobarry> get one free off a mate
[11:11] <foobarry> although not a tower
[11:11] <diplo> yeah used to use those, although they're very loud :D
[11:11] <diplo> Good servers tbh
[11:12] <diplo> Was thinking a tower with a few drives in raid10 with either kvm or esxi installed
[11:14] <diplo> Just found one for £150, 4GB ram
[11:14] <diplo> 2x146GB disks
[11:15] <foobarry> nice
[11:30] <davmor2> diddledan: that's a bunch of the ones I get on a regular basis to start it off I'll just add the morning song now :)
[11:31] <diddledan> :-p
[11:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: I know it's late I've been in meetings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-tl6GBOBo
[11:51] <JamesTait> Any excuse, davmor2. 😉
[11:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: but eddie rocks :)
[11:53] <JamesTait> I can't argue with that.
[11:54] <davmor2> I'm covered in beeeeeeeeeeees
[12:24] <daftykins> new UPS battery \o/
[12:24] <daftykins> even if i did have to call the courier back because his guy knocked and ran before i could answer - didn't even leave a note
[12:25] <brobostigon> :(
[12:31] <daftykins> ok must power off to fit!
[12:37] <shauno> most of them you don't, if your comfortable with small sparks ;)
[12:41] <diddledan> \o/ ???
[12:41] <daftykins> yay UPS alive \o/
[12:41] <diddledan> \o/ !!!
[12:41] <daftykins> toughest part is dropping those batteries in and twisting the connector around so you can still close the compartment :P
[12:42] <diddledan> my interwebs just went very wonky - my virgin modem just rebooted itself twice
[12:42] <daftykins> i see gb.archive.ubuntu.com is having issues
[12:42] <daftykins> ooh err
[12:43] <diddledan> what's up with gb.archive?
[12:43] <daftykins> i was just getting the odd squirt of 22 bytes per second tops
[12:44] <bigcalm> diddledan: VM may have shot a firmware update at it
[12:44] <daftykins> hmm sorted itself out actually, came down quick just now
[12:57] <diddledan> hmm. butterfly
[12:57] <diddledan> donno where he went but he's in my flat somewhere
[12:57] <foobarry> check the butter
[12:57] <popey> my cat likes butter
[12:58] <popey> if we leave the butter dish out, I'll come back to it with the lid off and cat tonge lick-marks all over it
[12:58] <popey> then vomit about 5 hours later
[12:58] <popey> stupid cat
[12:58] <foobarry> why the vomit
[12:58] <foobarry> they aren't exactly lactose intolerant
[12:58] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/mVMyQ
[12:58] <daftykins> new bike bits \o/
[12:59] <shauno> mmmmm bits
[12:59] <daftykins> :D
[13:00] <daftykins> we had to buy a special part to take one of my cranks off
[13:00] <daftykins> because of the hollowtech... tech
[13:00] <daftykins> but mm, very pleased - bike feels like new again
[13:02] <daftykins> so nice and shiny ;_;
[13:17] <davmor2> popey: don't leave it uncovered then :P
[13:17] <popey> it isnt
[13:17] <popey> he pushes the lid off
[13:17] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[13:17] <popey> he's a cheeky little sod
[13:18] <popey> I even put it on a high shelf out of reach
[13:18] <popey> so i thought
[13:18] <davmor2> daftykins: very nice is that an oversized large cog it looks bigger than normal
[13:19] <davmor2> popey: http://open.spotify.com/track/3JyXdfM541SDijbzUQxk4R rave time ;)  I want to hear you woop woop from here :D
[13:26] <TwistedLucidity> Urf, I need to get the bike in for a service. How you finding the build quality on the Specialized daftykins?
[13:37] <daftykins> well i have two of them, but they're both a pretty penny - so i'd hope so :D
[13:58] <daftykins> apparently the UK 'buntu mirrors have issues!
[14:03] <popey> daftykins: can you be more specific? :)
 daftykins: we're currently investigating an issue effecting our edge networks in the UK.
[14:04] <popey> nice
[14:04] <daubers> sounds edgey
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> release the pigeon backups!! \o/
[14:05] <daftykins> sudo apt update --by-pigeon
[14:07] <shauno> you've already given up on sheep?
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> well sheep don't do well in the summer as they instinctively head north were it's cooler...
[14:09] <daftykins> so one might say that the sheep would be for my 'send' comms to England and pigeon would be 'receive'
[14:10] <shauno> that seems inefficient.  I'd look for a french mirror so the pidgeon takes the request, not the body :)
[14:11] <daftykins> we are pretty well peered with France :(
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> we could move all the shearing sheds to the north and the sheep would then naturally head south afterwards...
[14:14] <davmor2> Omar Sharif is dead :(  man this year sucks
[14:17] <daftykins> who is that?
[14:18] <foobarry> i think he played bridge
[14:18] <DJones> He rode a camel
[14:20] <foobarry> he had a computer game
[14:21] <foobarry> does firefox have a task manager
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> he played a great spy in one of the pink panther movies
[14:22] <daftykins> foobarry: don't think so, things aren't per process yet
[14:30] <foobarry> 30% cpu and 30% memz
[14:39] <Azelphur> I'm starting to think monitor upgrade day is arriving...
[14:39] <Azelphur> Getting real tempted to buy 3 of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMH-A399U-UHD-39-5-3840X2160-16-9-4K-LED-Monitor-60Hz-DP1-2-HDMI2-0-/221797445528?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a4286f98
[14:42] <davmor2> Azelphur: wait for prime day on the 15th
[14:43] <Azelphur> davmor2: yea probably should
[14:43] <Azelphur> davmor2: that said, I believe that's the best panel money can buy right now, so anything prime day would have to be substantially cheaper
[14:47] <shauno> 3 ... 39" screens?
[14:48] <Azelphur> yes
[14:48] <shauno> do you wear sunscreen?
[14:48] <daftykins> weird size
[14:48] <daftykins> i don't even like a clients 30" Dell @ 2560x1600
[14:49] <shauno> I dunno, 39.5 is almost bang on 1 meter
[14:51] <Azelphur> well I currently run on 4 x 27" 2k
[14:53] <daftykins> presumably that is IPS
[14:54] <Azelphur> think so
[14:56] <diplo> Telegram under a ddos attack for anyone having issues
[14:57] <diplo> https://twitter.com/telegram/status/619515927353278464
[14:57] <daftykins> wat
[14:57] <daftykins> oh
[14:57] <diplo> Started 5 hours ago in India/East Asia
[14:57] <diplo> Now global
[15:12]  * arsenip_ prods daftykins 
[15:12] <daftykins> oh 'lo
[15:12] <daftykins> how do?
[15:12] <arsenip> howdy :) good! you?
[15:13] <daftykins> yeah not bad at all thanks ^_^
[15:13] <daftykins> all the better for having my lovely bike fixed up and a new UPS battery in today \o/
[15:13] <daftykins> just asking ebuyer for the VAT refund
[15:14] <arsenip> hah cheeky
[15:14] <arsenip> i need to ring apple really and ask for some discount post-purchase
[15:14] <arsenip> not sure i cba
[15:14] <daftykins> they do that o0
[15:14] <arsenip> if you're a big company, they do
[15:15] <arsenip> i can just pretend.
[15:15] <arsenip> (work)
[15:15] <daftykins> ah har
[15:29] <arsenip>  
[15:41] <arsenip>  
[15:41] <arsenip> w
[15:41] <arsenip> oops.
[16:34] <mapps> hi all
[16:37] <daftykins> lo
[16:38] <mapps> gonna go to NY in november
[16:38] <mapps> just to work out how
[16:43] <daftykins> go on holiday there just to work out how you get there? :)
[16:44] <mapps> no i mean
[16:44] <mapps> do i fly gib -> uk uk-ny
[16:45] <mapps> or taxi to Malaga (£100)
[16:49] <daftykins> O_O
[17:24] <arsenip> you're in gib?
[17:24] <arsenip> you can prols fly to madrid -> ny?
[17:25] <arsenip> flying via heathrow is pretty pricey, heathrow has some of the highest landing taxes iirc
[17:25] <arsenip> most of my flyboy mates (pilots for oneworld) always visit the UK by flying to holland first, cant exactly remmeber why
[17:59] <davmor2> mapps: gib frankfurt newyork
[18:03] <bigcalm> Hey davmor2, guess what?
[18:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: You got a job in London?
[18:03] <bigcalm> I'm stiff working :)
[18:03] <bigcalm> stiff?
[18:03] <bigcalm> Still!
[18:03] <bigcalm> ffs
[18:04] <bigcalm> Na, happy where I am. Just don't know how to stop
[18:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: I was stuck in the QE all day Tuesday I still don't know what a 40 hour week is :D
[18:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: and by all day, We headed out to them at 0700 and got back home 2145
[19:06] <popey> bigcalm: me too
[19:08] <davmor2> popey: yeah but you are under a pub table from Monday onwards so I have no sympathy with you ;)
[19:08] <popey> hah
[19:09] <davmor2> it's the 20,000 emails the following Monday with a hangover I want to see popey :D
[19:09] <popey> i might just send you an email each day from holiday
[19:09] <popey> with a photo of me by the pool
[19:09] <popey> actually, how will I get photos off my dslr
[19:09] <popey> hmmmm
[19:10] <popey> i reckon i can use a card reader and my arale
[19:10] <davmor2> use your phone and dekko
[19:10] <diddledan> popey: you going anywhere nice?
[19:10] <popey> outside :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> eww outside
[19:10] <diddledan> eep
[19:10] <popey> i may be some time
[19:10] <davmor2> popey: Don't leave wifi range, there is nothing else todo but talk to people
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> display pics on cameras screen.  put on photocopier. fax page to mate at home to post online :-)
[19:15] <mapps> lol at all the idiot brits crying about being told to leave tunisia
[19:15] <mapps> only an idiot would go there
[19:15] <mapps> let them stay and when things go wrong they'll be the first to cry
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> a terrorist attack is a statistical anomaly, you're still far more likely to be attacked by a shark.
[19:16] <mapps> but still egyp/tunisia why go there..i wouldnt
[19:16] <mapps> its just where the british chavs go
[19:16] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: especially if you're on a dating site
[19:16] <mapps> super cheap and hot
[19:17] <diddledan> my sis went to egypt a year or so before they went to pot
[19:17] <mapps> oh no
[19:17] <mapps> why!
[19:17] <mapps> its hot but still
[19:18] <mapps> egypt/turkey/tunisia places ive never wanted to go
[19:18] <davmor2> mapps: Pyramids and stuff
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> lots of pyramids in other parts of the world
[19:18] <diddledan> I remember seeing the news of their crisis and thinking "thank god my sis isn't there now"
[19:18] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yeah equally hot and dangerous
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> not all of them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid
[19:22] <diddledan> so my disconnections earlier - seems there were two virgin vans outside at the time. wonder what they were doing? although a few weeks ago a different virgin team were digging up the road to lay moar fibre
[19:23] <diddledan> I guess today's team were connecting that up
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> or wanted to be as far from the office on a friday afternoon :-)
[19:23] <diddledan> lol
[19:24] <diddledan> maybe virgin are gonna switch-on moar speeds
[19:24] <davmor2> diddledan: bt are going ipv6 and increasing their speed so I would imagine so :)
[19:25] <diddledan> davmor2: yeah I read bt are doing a teeny ipv6 trial today
[19:25] <diddledan> limited to their staff atm afaict
[19:25] <davmor2> diddledan: it's a start
[19:26] <diddledan> I've not seen anything about speed-bumps tho
[19:31] <davmor2> diddledan: I might of been dreaming but normally you get virgin just roll something out around the time that BT go all fanfare-esque and still can't match virgin :)
[19:32] <diddledan> the only thing I don't like about cable vs vdsl is the relatively poor upload speeds of cable
[19:34] <davmor2> diddledan: yeap virgin can crank that up anytime they want as well :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> too bad you can't use TLS anymore soon :P
[19:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: what?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uk-governments-surveillance-plans-could-put-citizens-and-entire-internet-at-risk-argue-leading-computing-experts-10373940.html
[19:42] <diddledan> these guys look cool: https://hyperoptic.com/
[19:44] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeah it's codswollop he saying that any encryption should be hackable, the minute you turn around and say that means you too, and your family oh and your bank then they'll drop it.
[19:46] <zmoylan-pi> if there's a secret key it's only a matter of time before someone else finds it and uses it
[19:47] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: he has heard that bad people use encryption from an adviser and thought we'll have to put an end to that.  The thing is if every encryption algorithm has to have a backdoor it will be exploited by the hackers out there just look at the us government
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> they tried it will clipper chip in 90s
[19:47] <davmor2> you'd only have to scare him with that and he'll uturn
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so no more ssh!
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I hope so.. for everyone's sake
[19:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I can see an adviser getting fired....well moved to another department :)
[19:55] <bigcalm> What did daftykins do?
[20:04] <diddledan> :-o
[20:04] <diddledan> bigcalm: no ideaz
[20:07] <diddledan> it's only a ban from here by the looks - he's still talking in #ubuntu
[20:09] <diddledan> o_O
[20:09] <diddledan> and unbanned again by the looks
[20:10] <diddledan> no idea what that was about
[20:11] <daftykins> weren't me, guv
[20:12] <diddledan> :-p
[20:15] <diddledan> daftykins: are you running winpho? if so there's a new build for win10pho toady
[20:16] <daftykins> nah still clunking along on a Nexus 4 :)
[20:16] <diddledan> and.. it's build 10166 - the desktop fast ring is also currently on 10166
[20:16] <diddledan> PARITY!
[20:16] <daftykins> ah yeah i didn't do that yet
[20:16] <daftykins> tbh at this stage i only boot that spare machine to update
[20:16] <diddledan> lol
[20:16] <diddledan> I'm running win10 permanently now
[20:17] <diddledan> have been for some time
[20:17] <daftykins> i'm a little undecided about jumping on the final release bandwagon too quick, i'll want access to a 7 machine if i need to guide someone through something
[20:18] <diddledan> yeah. might be worth getting a vmware or vbox setup running with an activated win7 that you can snapshot and rollback to be able to be able to upgrade many times
[20:26] <daftykins> i definitely don't believe in upgrades so i'm hoping to get a nice ISO, murder the 8.1 flash drive i have then do the 'keep nothing' installs :)
[20:49] <MarkDude>  /join #fronteers
[20:50] <daftykins> whoops
[20:57] <daftykins> diddledan: https://i.imgur.com/PR3lz0g.jpg
[20:59] <diddledan> awwww <3
[21:00] <daftykins> hmm i wonder if a client remembered to bring her old 2010 macbook pro home from Spain
[21:01] <daftykins> still got mavericks on that sucker, shouldn't too long now for El Capitan eh?
[21:01] <daftykins> +be
[21:02] <diddledan> went public beta yesterday
[21:02] <daftykins> indeedy!
[21:03] <daftykins> i'd almost be curious about the new MS Office 2016 for her, but she has that Lenovo X1 Carbon now, so i think this old MBP is going to her sister
[21:28] <MarkDude> Channel /joins are not an issue. It's the msg identify things that can be painful
[21:29] <MarkDude> Or even worse when we see a person obviously type a password in the wrong window.
[21:30] <MarkDude> Copy past is another reason to have two machines to use, many oops there :D
[21:33] <daftykins> eh, it's what status windows are for
[21:34] <MarkDude> True.
[23:11] <daftykins> diddledan: installed the new build and updated my xbox one, i can test the video streaming feature now :D
[23:11] <daftykins> i'm sure lovely wired gigabit will report favourably
[23:16] <diddledan> \o/
[23:16] <diddledan> 19 days till release!
[23:26] <daftykins> :D
[23:26] <daftykins> weird, when you run it, all it says is "If you can, connect your PC and Xbox One with a network cable"