[02:12] <veer> hello
[02:12] <veer> I Need a sugession
[02:12] <veer> I wanted to install Ubuntu on Nexus 7 2012 model
[05:30] <Meowhacker22> On the tablet, some apps (e.g. Document Viewer, System Settings) are automatically sidestaged. How does one fullscreen them?
[06:35] <conyoo> good mornin'
[06:35] <conyoo> !ping
[10:00] <pitti> ogra_: I don't want unity8-autopilot with all its autopilot deps; but just shipping its tests sounds a lot less harmful
[10:00] <pitti> ogra_: anyway, it's just one possible solution when we need to test old images; obviously the "archive snapshot of test deps" would be nicer (but lot more work)
[11:52] <Isotop7> is there any irc client hägoing to be release? there is really a lack of it i think...
[11:54] <Isotop7>  hand is there a release date for the milestone update of libqtelegram?
[12:08] <tathhu> ssh + irssi? :P
[12:08] <tathhu> how app lifesycle wathever would work with stuff like that anyway
[12:09] <Isotop7> okay....an easy to use client :D
[12:09] <tathhu> :P
[12:09] <tathhu> there's one pretty good for jolla :D
[12:12] <tathhu> (port it)
[16:06] <tathhu> Hmm, which channel I should use on my N7 so I'd get ~same stuff as on eg arale?
[16:37] <peat-psuwit> My phone seems to have symptom of this bug:https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1442962
[16:38] <peat-psuwit> How should I diagnose?
[16:54] <jrbt> heyo :)
[16:55] <jrbt> sup?
[18:25] <Dragonkeeper> hello
[18:25] <brobostigon> evening Dragonkeeper
[18:26] <Dragonkeeper> anyone running dev branch for bq phone ?
[18:28] <Dragonkeeper> i am getting cell network error :(
[18:35] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: which dev channel?
[18:40] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: i think im on  krillin/devel   r139   the problem has been for a few revisions .. the issue  just shows no network in the phone app . but both sims show they have signal in the notification bar ,   also in dmesg i can see PropSet Error:[ro.ril.ecclist:112,911] ro.* properties may NEVER be modified once set   and [lk_env] cann't find persist.ril.cfu.querytype
[18:48] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: you might have run into #1467640?
[18:49] <tathhu> Will I brick my nexus 7 if i install scopes from bq?
[18:49] <tathhu> ;D
[18:50] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: i dont think so. the network connects , then the phone part doesnt work .. signal bars still show and network page still shows the network status ..
[18:51] <Dragonkeeper> some times the phone app will let me call and recieve calls then its just fails . some times it takes multiple restarts to get it back.. but once onces it fails it wont come back on its own
[18:51] <anpok_> .. ok this might be a different bug
[18:51] <tathhu> Oh atleast today-scope is on store :o
[18:51] <tathhu> Nvm
[18:51] <tathhu> :D
[18:53] <tathhu> But it is *same* as on bq..
[18:54] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: imo we shouldnt let that happen, (ubuntu-touch/devel being in such a state, but right now you are better off with using ubuntu-touch/{stable,rc,rc-proposed}/bq-aquaris.en
[18:54] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: well if there is anything i can pull to help you out i will
[18:55] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: look if there is another bug report in bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[18:56] <anpok_> I believe I have seen that error description somwhere
[18:56] <tathhu> Seems to be.
[18:57] <anpok_> tathhu: it should be the same yes..
[18:57] <Dragonkeeper> checking
[19:00] <blib> anyone hanging in here?
[19:00] <blib> I am looking to load ubuntu on my htc one m8 device and connect it using usb to a ubuntu box. Has anyone done this ?
[19:02] <anpok_> take a look at the links in the topic..
[19:04] <anpok_> but I believe htc one m8 is to new for people to break it..
[19:05] <blib> anpok_: what's a good phone to use ubuntu one on?
[19:06] <tathhu> Bq/Meizu/Nexus
[19:06] <tathhu> :D
[19:06] <blib> tathhu: does apt-get work on these? Nexus 5 for example?
[19:06] <blib> can I install python on it?
[19:07] <anpok_> there should be python already installed
[19:07] <blib> says "Power management issues (the battery performance isn't great)"
[19:08] <anpok_> this is at the moment only true for the mx4
[19:08] <anpok_> but people are working on that right now
[19:08] <blib> anpok_: so nexus 5 works - no power issues/sensor issues?
[19:08] <anpok_> a nexus5
[19:08] <anpok_> didnt read that..
[19:09] <blib> anpok_: is there a 2015 phone on which ubuntu works well?
[19:09] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1442962
[19:09] <anpok_> not sure about that port, I only know bt does not work right now..
[19:10] <blib> anpok_: I don't need bt. But power issues are serious
[19:10] <anpok_> blib: if you consider e4.5 or e5 2015 phones.. then those.. and I am sure mx4 will be good soon
[19:10] <blib> what's mx4?
[19:10] <tathhu> Meizu
[19:11] <blib> samsung galaxy e5 will work well?
[19:11] <brobostigon> s5?
[19:11] <blib> yes
[19:11] <blib> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_e5-6906.php
[19:12] <brobostigon> thats new to me, not heard about that.
[19:12] <tathhu> http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e4-5-ubuntu-edition
[19:13] <tathhu> http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition
[19:13] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: the bug states only vivid+overlay (which would be ubunt-touch/rc-proposed/*)
[19:14] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: i know but that seems to be the bug im getting in the devel branch. or if its not the same , the result of it is
[19:15] <blib> tathhu: so no good phones of 2015 do ubuntu yet? - > iphone/samsung s6/LG G4/...?
[19:16] <Dragonkeeper> if it has ubuntu then its upgraded to a great phone automaticly
[19:16] <tathhu> Dragonkeeper: :P
[19:16] <blib> Dragonkeeper: how do you access the sensors from python ?
[19:16] <blib> camera/accelerometer/...?
[19:17] <blib> also, what interface does the usb wire support? How do I ship out data from a ubuntu phone to a ubuntu box? (camera output/other data)
[19:17]  * Dragonkeeper shrugs
[19:18] <hevyhomie> hi there, I am porting touch to Moto E, and I keep getting this on build: http://pastebin.com/BAbhizUy
[19:18] <anpok_> hevyhomie: is this really the first compilation error?
[19:18] <Dragonkeeper> im not of mass knowledge atm. lol  blib
[19:19] <Dragonkeeper> working long hours takes its toll
[19:19] <blib> maybe someone else knows
[19:19] <blib> how do you access the sensors from python ?
[19:20] <tathhu> blib: plug it in and it worksTM
[19:20] <anpok_> blib: depends on the sensor.. some are generic evdev .. some are more specific
[19:20] <tathhu> afaik
[19:20] <tathhu> iirc :P too lazy to test
[19:20] <anpok_> just like on your pc..
[19:24] <blib> anpok_: accelerometers/magnetometers/gps - is there a sample somewhere?
[19:24] <blib> tathhu: works - and apis are different things - am asking about the python api.
[19:25] <anpok_> for general positioning better take lp:location-service .. it has a dbus api
[19:25] <blib> anpok_: is there a python interface for these things?
[19:25] <tathhu> blib: ahh. :D
[19:25] <anpok_> blib: dbus?
[19:25] <blib> anpok_: also, how do I ship data from the phone to the host computer running ubuntu
[19:26] <blib> anpok_: is there a wrapper around dbus that one can use from python? Or do I have to compile/install dbus on python + write my communication code.
[19:27] <blib> anpok_: does apt-get run similar to ubuntu boxes on the phone?
[19:28] <blib> anpok_: is gpsd running on the phone already?
[19:30] <anpok_> blib: the most important thing to consider when writing for ubuntu-touch (and ubuntu in the future) is application confinement and application lifecycle.
[19:31] <anpok_> take a look at that: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/
[19:31] <anpok_> -> App confinement..
[19:32] <tathhu> "The application life-cycle policies enforced on Ubuntu Touch* also mean that the app is unable to run in the background. If you switch to another app during streaming the app will stop playing music." :-(
[19:33] <anpok_> wrt to apt-get - we currently only use that for development. to add stuff on top of the image. For that you have to make the file system writeable.. and with that the gates are open for breaking the image based update or the installed image..
[19:35] <anpok_> if you want to stay out of trouble you better ship the stuff you need as click packages.. (which is like a more self contained deb with extra stuff)
[19:35] <anpok_> tathhu: for that purpose there is media-hub which handles audio and video playback in a centralized manner
[19:35] <hevyhomie> anpok_: yes it is first compile error
[19:36] <anpok_> hevyhomie: hm sorry not enough context to figure out what could be missing.. xda-developers.com might be a better source for help
[19:39] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: ok i am going to flash
[19:39] <Dragonkeeper> (branch change)   what do you recommend
[19:40] <hevyhomie> anpok_: all good. Unfortunately XDA-developers.com has no Moto E thread :(
[19:40] <hevyhomie> anpok_: for touch
[19:40] <hevyhomie> anpok_: thanks anyways
[19:41] <anpok_> wait..
[19:41] <anpok_> that error did not look very ubuntu touch specific
[19:42] <Dragonkeeper> mine ?
[19:42] <anpok_> no hevyhomie
[19:44] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: to be safe use ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en ... or s/stable/rc
[19:46] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: are they currently on 14.04 / 14.10  still ?  i wasnt able to use gba emulation with stable when i previously used it
[19:47] <anpok_> yes still on 14.10 with the stable-phone ppa applied on top
[19:47] <anpok_> what was the problem with the gba emulation?
[19:48] <Dragonkeeper> wouldnt process the image to the screen. leaving me with black white image..  currently its working on 15.10
[19:48] <Dragonkeeper> blank*
[19:49] <anpok_> hm that was a problem with libsdl?
[19:49] <Dragonkeeper> maybe.. i didnt really look into it tbh
[19:50] <Dragonkeeper> apparently it was working on nexus devices so it was a bq specific thing at the time
[19:51] <Dragonkeeper> also what is the extra pay load ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu-developer  has ?
[19:54] <anpok_> no idea..
[19:57] <Dragonkeeper> hmm ill try out ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[19:58] <anpok_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1460149
[19:59] <Dragonkeeper> unsure if i had a problem with them on 14  all working on 15 tho
[20:02] <blib> can one run a ubuntu server box on these phones? Can the sensors be accessed from python then?
[20:04] <anpok_> blib: you can modify the software in any way you want.. (only limited by user space driver blobs or binary firmwares)
[20:06] <Dragonkeeper> ok looks like im going from r137 to r65   .. the problem (as a guess) was around r134  so fingers crossed i should be fine
[20:08] <Dragonkeeper> then i should really pay my phone bill so they resume service lol
[20:11] <Dragonkeeper> if ubuntu has a way for my laptop to use its network that would be great
[20:11] <Dragonkeeper> its a chromebook
[20:12] <Dragonkeeper> my company does everything via paperwork  so there is litterally no computers anywhere... some days i feel like im dying
[20:16] <blib> anpok_: once you load ubuntu server 14.04.02LTS on a phone like E5 - what do you do to make the sensors accessible? What happens to the power part? LCD interaction?
[20:16] <anpok_> Dragonkeeper: there is a android-gadget-service enable rndis ..: http://askubuntu.com/questions/616245/tether-ubuntu-bq-phone
[20:18] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: this works ok now ?  it never wanted to forward the connection before
[20:18] <anpok_> never tried it
[20:20] <anpok_> i just heard people claim it wokrs
[20:20] <Dragonkeeper> ll try it again once phone boots new revision
[20:22] <Dragonkeeper> only 2 things i need in my life .. internet and dual sim lol
[20:23] <blib> Dragonkeeper: have you ever run ubuntu server on a phone?
[20:23] <Dragonkeeper> which brings me to the point...  when dual sim is activated ..  ubuntu should tell you which sim your being called from
[20:23] <Dragonkeeper> atm i dont think it even tell you which number is calling unless its saved in contacts ??
[20:24] <Dragonkeeper> blib: nope
[20:25] <Dragonkeeper> well network is showing in phono app so..bonus /
[21:02] <Majd> Hello i am new here.
[21:02] <tathhu> Majd: hi
[21:02] <Majd> I have chinese phone which i am rooting at the moment
[21:03] <Majd> i would like to install ubuntu on it
[21:03] <Majd> how would i know if it's supported
[21:03] <Majd> and have you have this experience ?
[21:07] <Dragonkeeper> anpok_: rndis works/ unsure bout with  mobile data
[21:08] <Majd> thanks DragonKeeper
[21:09] <Majd> do i have to have ubuntu installed on my laptop to start this process
[21:09] <Majd> ?
[21:09] <Majd> can't i do it from windows?
[21:09] <Dragonkeeper> majd ?do you mean
[21:09] <Dragonkeeper> majd ? what do you mean
[21:10] <Majd> i want to install ubuntu on my mobile
[21:10] <Majd> the tutorial i found suggest doing it using ubuntu desktop
[21:10] <Majd> but i don't have ubuntu os on my laptop
[21:10] <Dragonkeeper> yes use ubuntu desktop
[21:10] <Majd> my laptop runs windows 8
[21:10] <alin_> Dragonkeeper: works fine... though I doubt you will be able to call/receive calls while using tethering
[21:11] <Majd> hmmm
[21:11] <Dragonkeeper> alin_: ill try it out once my mobile data is reenabled .  i have dual sim so theres a chance i could
[21:12] <Majd> DragonKeeper are aware of any tutorial or guidance to do it from windows
[21:12] <Majd> ?
[21:12] <Dragonkeeper> use ubuntu desktop... use a VM if you must
[21:12] <Majd> aha
[21:12] <Majd> thanks alin
[21:12] <Majd> and DragonKeeper
[22:42] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: Great Ubuntu game reviews on G+
[22:45] <kalikiana> SturmFlut: Thanks!
[22:46] <kalikiana> Hoping to see more of these native games (yeah I'm a little biased, as much as I love some web apps, native more often than not trumps web)
[22:47] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: Oh, Panda Love and Snowball World are standalone HTML5 games
[22:48] <kalikiana> SturmFlut: heh, way to prove my bias wrong :-D
[22:49] <kalikiana> I guess they're still written with Ubuntu touch in mind?
[22:49] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: We had to build a custom QML WebView container around them though, to force the orientation on both OTA-4 and OTA-5
[22:51] <SturmFlut> kalikiana: No, actually we licensed both games from a guy from Brasil (I think) who created them with a game builder called "Construct2" and then exported to HTML5.
[22:53] <kalikiana> hmmmm https://www.scirra.com/construct2 looks windows only
[22:54] <SturmFlut> Version 3 will support Linux
[22:54] <kalikiana> ah
[22:54] <SturmFlut> We think about everything ;)
[22:54] <kalikiana> I was gonna say that would make it a really odd choice
[22:56] <kalikiana> suppose it goes to show how well our html5 experience works if I can't easily tell it from built for the system
[22:57] <SturmFlut> Yeah, I am pretty happy with the result. And it worked as expected. Design the game in Construct2, hit on "Export HTML5", put the output inside the prepared Ubuntu container, ship.
[22:59] <SturmFlut> I think when everybody has updated to OTA-5 we can even drop the QML and just use webapp-container directly
[23:01] <SturmFlut> This opens the platform for an incredible number of games, Construct2 is very popular and if you ship the game for free you can even use the free version of the tool.
[23:30] <mariogrip> Anyone know why qmuxd gets "Unable to open port id /dev/smdcntl0, error [19:No such device]" when i know the smdcntl0 exist + has correct permission?