| hyper_ch | weird... now KDE doesn't autostart anymore but I have to run systemctl default | 09:17 |
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| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 10:12 |
| hyper_ch | it is afternoon | 10:17 |
| hyper_ch | got some issues | 10:17 |
| lordievader | Which are? | 10:17 |
| hyper_ch | weird... now KDE doesn't autostart anymore but I have to run systemctl default | 10:30 |
| hyper_ch | and it doesn't power off anymore | 10:30 |
| hyper_ch | and if I don't have the lan cable attached, it won't start kde at all | 10:30 |
| lordievader | Heh, how did you accomplish that? | 10:33 |
| hyper_ch | I just dist-upgraded | 10:42 |
| hyper_ch | btw, can you check your /etc/network/interfaces | 10:42 |
| hyper_ch | is there you snXpY or something ethernet device on auto? | 10:43 |
| lordievader | Just a second, have to boot up my Wily box first. | 10:43 |
| hyper_ch | what do you mean you need to boot it up first? oO | 10:46 |
| lordievader | (K)Ubuntu ain't my main OS. | 10:47 |
| lordievader | Anyhow only lo is configured. | 10:47 |
| hyper_ch | what is it then? | 10:47 |
| lordievader | Ah ip link finally shows predictable names \o/ | 10:48 |
| lordievader | hyper_ch: Gentoo. | 10:48 |
| hyper_ch | lordievader: that might be it... I had added the smXpY thingy manually because after server install I had not inet connection | 10:48 |
| hyper_ch | so I might disable that now... that could be the root of all problems | 10:48 |
| * hyper_ch heard only hardcore linuxer use Gentoo | 10:48 | |
| lordievader | Seems HP has changed the NIC location over the years. | 10:49 |
| hyper_ch | well, I'll deactivate it now from the interfaces file and I'll see next reboot how it goes | 10:49 |
| hyper_ch | I only noticed this morning when I tried to boot it up | 10:49 |
| hyper_ch | I'm almost ready to jump ship to Nixos :) | 10:52 |
| lordievader | Never heard of that one. | 10:55 |
| hyper_ch | lordievader: haven't you been here when I and BluesKaj discussed it like 2 weeks ago? | 10:56 |
| lordievader | Perhaps, perhaps I've forgotten. | 10:56 |
| hyper_ch | nixos has two nice things | 10:56 |
| lordievader | "all packages are kept in /nix/store instead" how is that a good thing? | 10:57 |
| hyper_ch | 1) atomicity - meaning each upgrade is a seperate "profile" that you can boot in... so if an update goes awry, you can reboot into an earlier profile | 10:57 |
| hyper_ch | 2) you setup the system by configuring one file to your need | 10:57 |
| hyper_ch | [3) in multi-users setup you can allow to have users install their own stuff] | 10:58 |
| hyper_ch | lordievader: e.g. my current config file: https://github.com/sjau/nixos/blob/master/configuration.nix | 11:00 |
| hyper_ch | still needs tweaking and stuff... need to harden ssh etc.... | 11:00 |
| hyper_ch | and will also give KDE5 a testdrive | 11:01 |
| hyper_ch | also need to add the virtualbox usb plugin | 11:01 |
| lordievader | In Gentoo you do the same thing, but then with the actual config files. | 11:02 |
| hyper_ch | gentoo is way too complicated for simple minded users like me | 11:03 |
| lordievader | It's not. There is great documentation, besides you actually learn to configure a Linux system properly. | 11:04 |
| * hyper_ch heard that in #gentoo they like to rip off and eat the heads of noobx | 11:05 | |
| lordievader | They do if you ask question that are in the handbook. Like allmost all channels here on freenode you should search google first. | 11:06 |
| lordievader | Show you put effort in solving your problem. | 11:06 |
| hyper_ch | I usually post: "help, it doesn't work" | 11:06 |
| hyper_ch | :) | 11:06 |
| lordievader | I know... the same counts for you. | 11:07 |
| hyper_ch | so, giving nixos a try? ;) | 11:22 |
| hyper_ch | smartcard reader and signing app are still issues | 11:23 |
| lordievader | No, it looks like a very bad idea of an operating system. | 11:24 |
| hyper_ch | how so? | 11:27 |
| lordievader | Because you can just as well configure a system properly. | 11:29 |
| hyper_ch | this is configure properly :) | 11:32 |
| lordievader | No it aint. | 11:32 |
| hyper_ch | why not? | 11:32 |
| lordievader | It is a poor excuse not to do it. | 11:32 |
| lordievader | Because there is an abstraction layer between you and the configuration of the programs/the operating system. | 11:33 |
| hyper_ch | not sure what you mean | 11:39 |
| lordievader | Look at the paste you just gave. Is that a configuration of one program? | 11:39 |
| hyper_ch | that's the configuration for the whole system | 11:40 |
| lordievader | Precisely. | 11:40 |
| lordievader | An apache config has no place in there. | 11:41 |
| lordievader | A grub config has no place in there. | 11:41 |
| hyper_ch | it's not a config | 11:41 |
| hyper_ch | it's what shall be altered from default config | 11:42 |
| lordievader | It looks very much like a config. | 11:42 |
| hyper_ch | if you just want apache do: services.httpd.enable = true ; | 11:42 |
| hyper_ch | that will just install with default configs | 11:43 |
| lordievader | It's clear it ain't an OS for me ;) | 11:43 |
| hyper_ch | and for grub you just tell it to install grub v2 onto /dev/sda | 11:43 |
| hyper_ch | how does gentoo do it then? | 11:44 |
| lordievader | Let's take Apache as an example. You look at the use flags, to see what you want/need. You compile it, you configure it, you run it. | 11:45 |
| hyper_ch | and that's what nixos does | 11:48 |
| hyper_ch | each one his own :) | 11:50 |
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