| Kilos | greetings svij MooDoo nhaines and others | 05:55 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:00 |
| Kilos | hi dholbach | 07:01 |
| dholbach | hey Kilos | 07:02 |
| svij | morning! | 07:09 |
| tramm | hello everybody, i was asking some questions about ubuntu derivatives project yesterday | 11:52 |
| tramm | do you know how's it going with embracing the derivatives into ubuntu ecosystem? | 11:55 |
| tramm | svij: whom should i poke now? :) | 11:58 |
| svij | tramm: dpm or dholbach | 11:58 |
| dholbach | tramm, what's your question more specifically? | 11:59 |
| tramm | can you scroll up two pages? i need to decide what to do with a derivative project called estobuntu | 12:00 |
| dholbach | erm | 12:00 |
| dholbach | I'm not sure I was there when you discussed it | 12:00 |
| dholbach | I'm not on IRC 24/7 | 12:00 |
| tramm | i see, you weren't | 12:01 |
| dholbach | maybe you could just give me a few bullet points so I can try to answer the question? | 12:02 |
| tramm | i have been developing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Estobuntu and it is uck generated derivative iso of ubuntu with some additional software and nordic looks | 12:02 |
| tramm | under derivative team there once was a project to bring derivatives closer to ubuntu's official process, there was a software developed to become a standard to create derivatives | 12:03 |
| tramm | for me it seems derivatives project is discontinued | 12:04 |
| dholbach | is all of the software you use in the Ubuntu archive? | 12:04 |
| tramm | no, not all of it, for example estonian id card software isn't | 12:04 |
| tramm | so i'd like to bring this estobuntu project closer to ubuntu standard process and wonder what my opportunities are | 12:05 |
| dholbach | so a good step would be to get the software and other necessary changes into the archive first | 12:05 |
| dholbach | that's going to help in any case | 12:05 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages would help there | 12:06 |
| dholbach | after that I'd have a chat with the technical board about making the flavour official | 12:06 |
| dholbach | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board is their mailing list | 12:07 |
| tramm | it's actually pending in debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702174 | 12:08 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 702174 in sponsorship-requests "RFS: estonianidcard/3.7.0.1116-1 [ITP] -- Estonian ID card support packages" [Wishlist,Open] | 12:08 |
| tramm | dholbach: what does that mean if flavour is official, what is the technical process, what are the requirements? | 12:08 |
| dholbach | tramm, I don't know the exact requirements as I haven't closely followed any of the discussions previously | 12:09 |
| dholbach | but you'd be part of the usual release process, use the same infrastructure, work more closely with other developers | 12:10 |
| dholbach | can use the same timeline as other releases, participate in release testing, etc. | 12:10 |
| dholbach | requirements are likely to be that everything has to be in Ubuntu | 12:10 |
| dholbach | not sure what else | 12:10 |
| dholbach | good idea to get the packages into Debian | 12:11 |
| dholbach | it looks like they got their first review already | 12:11 |
| tramm | i'd like to find out the details, so i can see if we can fit into the process | 12:12 |
| tramm | where should i query about it? | 12:12 |
| dholbach | you could take a look at the archives of the tech board list | 12:13 |
| dholbach | and see what was discussed with for example the ubuntu gnome team | 12:14 |
| dholbach | and if you're still in doubt, just ask on the TB list | 12:14 |
| tramm | well, estobuntu is more like a localisation, but with some not too important extras, like the id card software | 12:15 |
| tramm | so i'm a bit reluctant of comparing it with official flavour distros like lubuntu, kubuntu etc | 12:15 |
| dholbach | I thought you were interested in making it official? | 12:48 |
| tramm | localisations are also official, right? | 12:49 |
| dholbach | right, they are done in launchpad | 12:49 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations | 12:49 |
| tramm | isn't there some kind of middle ground between localisations and desktop flavours? | 12:49 |
| dholbach | hum | 12:50 |
| dholbach | what kind of middle ground do you mean? | 12:50 |
| tramm | derivatives project was something like that | 12:52 |
| dholbach | the derivatives project was mostly just a mailing list and an irc channel | 12:53 |
| dholbach | where people from derivatives could get together and chat | 12:53 |
| dholbach | after some time it lost traction, so the channel and mailing list were closed | 12:53 |
| dholbach | I'm not quite sure which problem you would like to solve | 12:54 |
| tramm | i searched in my archives and it seems https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-defaults-builder was meant to be used for those derivatives as a standard process | 13:05 |
| tramm | is it normally used for generating official flavours, remixes (whatever is the right term) of ubuntu? | 13:06 |
| tramm | i remember we considered switching from ubuntu customisation kit to defaults-builder to be more involved in official process | 13:06 |
| dholbach | I'm afraid I don't know | 13:07 |
| tramm | however since derivatives project died, we also kind of dropped it | 13:07 |
| dholbach | I never participated in any release of a flavour/remix/derivative/anything else | 13:07 |
| dholbach | maybe you could ask on loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com? | 13:07 |
| dholbach | to see how other LoCos deal with it? | 13:08 |
| dholbach | or what they generally suggest? | 13:08 |
| tramm | i'll see if i find maintainer of this defaults-builder or some admins of discontinued derivatives project | 13:11 |
| tramm | if not, i'll post to this or some other list | 13:11 |
| tramm | maybe askubuntu would also make sense | 13:12 |
| tramm | dholbach: and thanks for talking to me, at least i got to now that there's no need to be embarrased about my confusion about the process | 13:13 |
| dholbach | no, don't worry | 13:13 |
| dholbach | I think there's a lot of ways to achieve what you're trying to do | 13:14 |
| dholbach | the more you can get into Ubuntu and Debian, the better | 13:14 |
| dholbach | but it's not going to be a strict requirement | 13:14 |
| dholbach | at least not if you operate like you do right now | 13:14 |
| dholbach | or like (probably) many other LoCo teams do | 13:14 |
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