[05:55] greetings svij MooDoo nhaines and others [07:00] good morning [07:01] hi dholbach [07:02] hey Kilos [07:09] morning! [11:52] hello everybody, i was asking some questions about ubuntu derivatives project yesterday [11:55] do you know how's it going with embracing the derivatives into ubuntu ecosystem? [11:58] svij: whom should i poke now? :) [11:58] tramm: dpm or dholbach [11:59] tramm, what's your question more specifically? [12:00] can you scroll up two pages? i need to decide what to do with a derivative project called estobuntu [12:00] erm [12:00] I'm not sure I was there when you discussed it [12:00] I'm not on IRC 24/7 [12:01] i see, you weren't [12:02] maybe you could just give me a few bullet points so I can try to answer the question? [12:02] i have been developing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives/Estobuntu and it is uck generated derivative iso of ubuntu with some additional software and nordic looks [12:03] under derivative team there once was a project to bring derivatives closer to ubuntu's official process, there was a software developed to become a standard to create derivatives [12:04] for me it seems derivatives project is discontinued [12:04] is all of the software you use in the Ubuntu archive? [12:04] no, not all of it, for example estonian id card software isn't [12:05] so i'd like to bring this estobuntu project closer to ubuntu standard process and wonder what my opportunities are [12:05] so a good step would be to get the software and other necessary changes into the archive first [12:05] that's going to help in any case [12:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages would help there [12:06] after that I'd have a chat with the technical board about making the flavour official [12:07] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board is their mailing list [12:08] it's actually pending in debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702174 [12:08] Debian bug 702174 in sponsorship-requests "RFS: estonianidcard/3.7.0.1116-1 [ITP] -- Estonian ID card support packages" [Wishlist,Open] [12:08] dholbach: what does that mean if flavour is official, what is the technical process, what are the requirements? [12:09] tramm, I don't know the exact requirements as I haven't closely followed any of the discussions previously [12:10] but you'd be part of the usual release process, use the same infrastructure, work more closely with other developers [12:10] can use the same timeline as other releases, participate in release testing, etc. [12:10] requirements are likely to be that everything has to be in Ubuntu [12:10] not sure what else [12:11] good idea to get the packages into Debian [12:11] it looks like they got their first review already [12:12] i'd like to find out the details, so i can see if we can fit into the process [12:12] where should i query about it? [12:13] you could take a look at the archives of the tech board list [12:14] and see what was discussed with for example the ubuntu gnome team [12:14] and if you're still in doubt, just ask on the TB list [12:15] well, estobuntu is more like a localisation, but with some not too important extras, like the id card software [12:15] so i'm a bit reluctant of comparing it with official flavour distros like lubuntu, kubuntu etc [12:48] I thought you were interested in making it official? [12:49] localisations are also official, right? [12:49] right, they are done in launchpad [12:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations [12:49] isn't there some kind of middle ground between localisations and desktop flavours? [12:50] hum [12:50] what kind of middle ground do you mean? [12:52] derivatives project was something like that [12:53] the derivatives project was mostly just a mailing list and an irc channel [12:53] where people from derivatives could get together and chat [12:53] after some time it lost traction, so the channel and mailing list were closed [12:54] I'm not quite sure which problem you would like to solve [13:05] i searched in my archives and it seems https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-defaults-builder was meant to be used for those derivatives as a standard process [13:06] is it normally used for generating official flavours, remixes (whatever is the right term) of ubuntu? [13:06] i remember we considered switching from ubuntu customisation kit to defaults-builder to be more involved in official process [13:07] I'm afraid I don't know [13:07] however since derivatives project died, we also kind of dropped it [13:07] I never participated in any release of a flavour/remix/derivative/anything else [13:07] maybe you could ask on loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com? [13:08] to see how other LoCos deal with it? [13:08] or what they generally suggest? [13:11] i'll see if i find maintainer of this defaults-builder or some admins of discontinued derivatives project [13:11] if not, i'll post to this or some other list [13:12] maybe askubuntu would also make sense [13:13] dholbach: and thanks for talking to me, at least i got to now that there's no need to be embarrased about my confusion about the process [13:13] no, don't worry [13:14] I think there's a lot of ways to achieve what you're trying to do [13:14] the more you can get into Ubuntu and Debian, the better [13:14] but it's not going to be a strict requirement [13:14] at least not if you operate like you do right now [13:14] or like (probably) many other LoCo teams do === dpm is now known as dpm-afk