[00:31] <Riddell> sgclark: voila http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.12.0_wily.html
[00:31] <Riddell> build-status-conf/frameworks.conf is now part of the kubuntu-automation bzr repository so I just reverted to the version in bzr and on my local computer updated to 5.12, commited and the bzr update on the server
[00:32] <sgclark> oh we dont do on the server anymore?
[00:32] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[00:32] <sgclark> and thank you
[00:33] <Riddell> sgclark: I switched to put the config in bzr, I think that's nicer
[00:33] <sgclark> okies
[00:35] <sgclark> though I did not realize I am leaving for akademy next week and have stuff to take care of before I leave, I will finish frameworks though.
[00:37] <Riddell> thanks sgclark, but as ever don't stress yourself to death!
[00:37] <sgclark> lol
[05:36] <murthy> I finally solved the problem of long  shutdown time. Process kwin_x11 was not responding to sigterm. I traced the problem with kwin_x11 to config file kwinrulesrc. I deleted all the kwinrulesrc* and the problem got solved
[05:41] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344518
[05:48] <ovidiu-florin> ubottu: where's kubotu?
[07:15] <vip> hi h
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:26] <zxsinclair> morning, I am running 15.10 alpha in a vbox and just want to say it looks great
[07:27] <zxsinclair> can anyone confirm if KNemo is kind of outdated (no Plasma5) though
[07:50] <soee> not sure, never used knemo :0
[07:50] <soee> :)
[08:00] <sitter> zxsinclair: pretty sure it is unmaintained so it might well be broken. would be perfect pet project if you are looking to become a developer ;)
[08:01] <sitter> otherwise ksysguard and the network applet should mostly replace it
[08:01] <zxsinclair> +sitter it is just that where I live a more "active" indication of internet is vital
[08:04] <zxsinclair> man its been long since IRC - how do I indicate a certain ID like +sitter
[08:04] <sitter> zxsinclair: apparently it was picked up again
[08:04] <sitter> zxsinclair: userna<tab>
[08:04] <zxsinclair> tab?
[08:05] <sitter> tab key
[08:05] <sitter> above caps lock
[08:05] <sitter> ah no knemo only had translation commits
[08:05] <zxsinclair> yes I know where it is but does not seem to work in Quassel
[08:06] <sitter> #quassel might be able to help
[08:06] <zxsinclair> sitter: got it!
[08:06] <zxsinclair> you first press TAB..
[08:07] <zxsinclair> sorry for "noice" guys, it has been a while
[08:07] <sitter> well, you write part of the name and then tab :P
[08:07] <zxsinclair> sitter: Now I got it
[08:27] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[08:28] <sick_rimmit> sitter: Hi, I need your help on something I believe
[08:29] <sick_rimmit> sitter: my rick-timmis@kubuntu.org email address does not appear to forward to my registered email address on launchpad, would you be the correct person to ask about this ? 
[08:32] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: #launchpad or #canonical-sysadmin
[08:33] <sitter> sick_rimmit: make sure your primary email address on launchpad is not set to your kubuntu address
[08:33] <sitter> your kubuntu address is set up as a forwarding address to your primary launchpad address, so if you have the kubuntu address as primary it will forward to itself
[09:58] <zxsinclair> sitter: I think this basically means Knemo is "abandonware". There are replacements so am not crying hard but I like it
[09:59] <sitter> zxsinclair: you could try reporting a bug and see if someone responds :P
[10:00] <zxsinclair> sitter: true that. But am still keeping 15.x in Vbox. Actually on 15.10 alpha. For everyday use on 14.10
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:45] <santa_> hey Riddell
[12:45] <Riddell> howdy, clivejo_, there's a new calligra out if you enjoyed the last one :)
[12:45] <Riddell> hola santa_
[12:45] <santa_> hola
[12:45] <santa_> :)
[12:45] <santa_> I saw somthing you may be interested in wrt gcc 5
[12:46] <santa_> let me find the link...
[12:47] <santa_> https://packages.qa.debian.org/libm/libmusicbrainz5/news/20150708T230015Z.html
[12:48] <santa_> Riddell: ↑ this package was uploaded to unstable recently so I guess you will want to do something about it
[12:49] <santa_> a possible course of action would be: 1. sync that package with debian, 2. rebuild the packages mentioned in the changelog against the new musicbrainz in ubuntu
[12:49] <Riddell> thanks santa_, I guess I'll talk to doko
[12:50] <santa_> for libkcddb you will need patch, it's available in debian's git master
[12:51] <santa_> s/patch/a patch/
[12:56] <Riddell> hmm
[12:57] <Riddell> patches are bad m'kay
[13:07] <santa_> but sometimes you need them to avoid ftbfs'ing http://imagebin.ca/v/28bZVFBoBdwW
[13:13] <sitter> nope, upstream should release a hotfix is what should happen
[13:16] <santa_> but in the meantime I had to apply the patch to make it buildable and installable again http://imagebin.ca/v/28bZVFBoBdwW
[13:18] <santa_> the patch in question: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/libkcddb.git/commit/?id=1caf3cfa80bced172714d64976939bea489e4a45
[14:39] <Riddell> clivejo_: oh and plenty of merges to be done of course
[14:39] <Riddell> hi TJ-, do you want to be an elite Kubuntu ninja?
[14:42] <TJ-> Riddell: No... just fix some annoying bugs
[14:43] <Riddell> oh I'm sure we have plenty of those
[14:43] <Riddell> as I say most of our software is from KDE
[14:43] <Riddell> stuff like the installed is Kubuntu specific, and the language installer needs ported to kf5 and notification helper is ours and muon is kde's but we're the main user
[14:43] <TJ-> I'm going to pull in the KDE next week and see if I can get my head around it, again :)
[14:44] <TJ-> s/KDE/KDE development repos/
[14:44] <Riddell> pick something small and see if you can get it to compile
[14:45] <Riddell> our stuff https://projects.kde.org/search?projects=1&q=kubuntu
[14:46] <TJ-> Compiling isn't a problem, getting my head around how the components interact, and the context/history/direction is.
[14:47] <Riddell> all the stuff you don't get taught in university
[14:47] <Riddell> don't be afraid to ask
[15:40] <Riddell> awooga, ktp gets into release!
[16:09]  * Riddell out
[17:42] <murthy> kdeconnect 0.8b is available, can we get a update? Shall I file a bug report?
[18:09] <soee> someone tried it http://www.tuxarena.com/2015/07/qmplay2-gets-a-new-release-mostly-fixes/ ?
[18:22] <ahoneybun> soee: debian is moving towards or away ffmpeg?
[18:22] <soee> it will use ffmpeg
[18:31] <murthy> Does smplayer support ffmpeg?
[18:50] <lordievader> murthy: Believe mplayer (or mpv) can use both, depends on how you compile it.
[18:51] <lordievader> Hmm nevermind I only see the libav useflag.
[18:51] <clivejo_> murthy: where did you see this ? "kdeconnect 0.8b is available, can we get a update? Shall I file a bug report?"
[18:52] <murthy> clivejo_: commits
[18:52] <murthy> clivejo_: sorry tags
[18:53] <murthy> clivejo_: I am trying to build a deb so I can test
[18:58] <clivejo_> murthy do you know how to check out the code for 0.8b?
[18:59] <murthy> clivejo_: ya, but I just downloaded a snapshot
[18:59] <clivejo_> how?
[18:59] <clivejo_> I tried to download a tarball but there is only one file in it
[19:00] <soee> clivejo_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/791959/download-a-specific-tag-with-git
[19:00] <soee> clone and checkout tag
[19:00] <clivejo_> thanks soee
[19:00] <murthy> yes
[19:14] <clivejo_> murthy: what is its name?
[19:15] <clivejo_> previous packages are kdeconnect-kde
[19:15] <clivejo_> but I can only get it to build as kdeconnect
[19:26] <murthy> clivejo_: kdeconnect-kde is a transitional package so what you have is correct
[19:27] <clivejo_> murthy: can you get it to build?
[19:27] <murthy> clivejo_: ya, doing that
[19:27] <clivejo_> my one is failing on network test
[19:27] <murthy> clivejo_: I am able to compile it. finished compiling it. Now I am trying to package it as deb for personal use
[19:28] <murthy> clivejo_: did you install the build dependencies for kdeconnect?
[19:28] <clivejo_> I thought I had
[19:29] <murthy> clivejo_: you didn't?
[19:29] <clivejo_> well its failing on testsocketlinereader
[19:30] <clivejo_> must be misisng something
[19:30] <murthy> clivejo_: you did this right? sudo apt-get build-dep  kdeconnect      
[19:30] <murthy> clivejo_: also I had to configure the build towards qt4
[19:31] <murthy> clivejo_: see I am a noob, so take care
[19:31] <clivejo_> oh this version isnt for plasma 5?
[19:31] <murthy> clivejo_: it is, but during build it is asking for qt4
[20:14] <clivejo_> murthy: Im a noob too
[20:14] <clivejo_> trying to learn how to package
[20:14] <murthy> Great!
[20:14] <clivejo_> not going so well
[20:14] <murthy> we need more packagers 
[20:15] <murthy> clivejo_: no problem, you will learn soon
[20:15] <soee> someone familar witd nodejs ?
[20:15] <murthy> soee: nope
[20:35] <clivejo_> anyone know why my nick keeps changing to clivejo_ ?
[20:36] <soee> what primary nick you have set ?
[20:37] <clivejo> thats so weird!
[20:38] <yofel> usually happens when your connection dies and you reconnect immediately
[20:38] <clivejo> I was logged into VLC chat
[20:38] <clivejo> but it was saying my nick was in use and was changing it
[20:41] <clivejo> very strange
[20:41] <clivejo> is VLC on Freenode?
[20:42] <clivejo> ah
[20:42] <yofel> should be, they were in the past at least
[20:43] <Riddell> hola chicxs
[20:43] <clivejo> I was connecting via irc.videolan.org
[20:44] <clivejo> strange loop back thing going on
[20:44] <yofel> well, irc.ubuntu.com is the same ^^
[20:45] <clivejo> when I logged in via irc.videolan.org it was saying my nick was in use and changing it to clivejo_
[20:46] <clivejo> hi Riddell
[20:48] <clivejo> anyone working on the new calligra?
[20:48] <Riddell> nope, it's for the taking
[20:48] <Riddell> but so are a bunch of merges if that doesn't excite you
[20:49] <sgclark> bunch of merges?
[20:49] <Riddell> well they might be if merge-o-matic was working https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[20:50] <Riddell> meh
[20:50]  * clivejo kicks merge-o-matic
[20:50] <clivejo> try now
[20:53] <Riddell> nope didn't help
[20:55] <sgclark> ahh heh
[20:56] <Riddell> sgclark: I've updated the docs in kubuntu-automation to point to the new staging-upload script and it working ok for frameworks, what did you have problems with
[20:56] <Riddell> the trouble is it's making kci very sad with merges
[20:57] <sgclark> right
[20:57] <sgclark> so all deps have this ~ at end now.
[20:57] <sgclark> = fails
[20:57] <yofel> what deps?
[20:57] <sgclark> and I *think* that was main problem
[20:58] <sgclark> frameworks
[20:58] <sgclark> build dpes
[20:58] <sgclark> evidently a maxy change? 
[20:58] <yofel> got an example?
[20:59] <Riddell> the ~ isn't a bad thing is it? that's because maxy likes to upload versions with a ~
[20:59] <yofel> we all do, esp. for PPA's. So it is a good idea really
[20:59] <sgclark> libkf5coreaddons-dev (>= 5.12.0~),
[21:00] <yofel> why would that fail?
[21:00] <sgclark> the merges did
[21:00] <sgclark> your asking the wrong person, all I know is I had to manually merge all of kf5
[21:00] <sgclark> great fun
[21:01] <ScottK> From a packaging perspective, 5.12.0~ is a great version to have.
[21:01] <yofel> *SIGH*
[21:02] <sgclark> sigh?
[21:02] <yofel> can we drop all that CI merging... it's causing more work than it helps :(
[21:02] <sgclark> I am sure it is an easy fix... I will look when I have time
[21:03] <Riddell> merging from debian definately seems to be more faff that it's worth, at least more than once a cycle
[21:04] <Riddell> yay plasma-nm got into wily!
[21:05] <TJ-> I can donate a few cycles to packaging although its not my primary objective, if it'll help
[21:06] <Riddell> TJ-: we'd always love more packagers
[21:06] <Riddell> although many of the problems come from tools not being quite as reliable as they ought to be
[21:06] <Riddell> sgclark: will you upload those to the PPA?
[21:06] <TJ-> I'm sure; that's why I'm being careful not to get drawn into it too far!
[21:07] <TJ-> Does the kubuntu packaging follow the ubuntu development process, using bzr, or is it on a per-package/per-dev-preference basis?
[21:08] <clivejo> murthy: did you get kdeconnect packaged?
[21:09] <Riddell> TJ-: the big kde releases, frameworks, plasma and applications we package in branches debian's git
[21:09] <TJ-> Mmmm git :)
[21:09] <Riddell> TJ-: we have a nifty CI to package it every day http://kci.pangea.pub/
[21:09] <Riddell> TJ-: and then we have less nifty scripts to package the tars when they get made
[21:10] <TJ-> Riddell: to save you typing... is the process documented someplace? I'm not having much luck finding anything about the CI-train merge process right now
[21:10] <Riddell> TJ-: no not really
[21:11] <Riddell> ci-train is ubuntu's system I think
[21:11] <Riddell> we use kci
[21:11] <yofel> the CI workflow is documented on some kde wiki page, I forgot the URL though
[21:11] <TJ-> Riddell: So if I recall correctly, most of the main packages come directly from a Debian merge and rarely carry {k,u}ubuntu specific debian/patch/ additions?
[21:12] <yofel> TJ-: not that rarely, but mostly yes. And we're usually ahead of debian in the versions
[21:12] <TJ-> yofel: My search-fu failed on finding it, or else on spotting current practice :)
[21:12] <Riddell> packaging is here (mostly) http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[21:12] <Riddell> some packages are still in bzr like calligra and digikam and others
[21:12] <TJ-> yofel: Is the preference to patch in Debian?
[21:12] <Riddell> and some aren't in version control at all
[21:12] <Riddell> preference is to patch in KDE
[21:13] <TJ-> Riddell: Those will be tarball + quilt?
[21:14] <TJ-> Riddell: OK, so upstream preferred for cross-distro stuff; how about for Debianised patches, preference Debian, and then I assume Kubuntu for flavour-specific stuff like branding/language ?
[21:14] <yofel> ah, found it: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Merges
[21:15] <murthy> clivejo: ya
[21:15] <murthy> clivejo: going to install
[21:15] <TJ-> yofel: Thanks :)
[21:15] <Riddell> TJ-: we try not to add our own branding to KDE software, KDE's a brand we want to promote
[21:15] <clivejo> Ive installed mine, doesnt fix the file transfer from Android to Kubuntu corrupting the file :)
[21:16] <murthy> clivejo: did you restart after installing ?
[21:16] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I have to git-buildpackage-ppa by hand, will try to finish here in a few. Wily at least.
[21:16] <clivejo> yup
[21:16] <murthy> clivejo: I will test and tell you the result
[21:16] <clivejo> is there any way to tell which version Im actually running?
[21:16] <Riddell> sgclark: nice big bash for loop? or you can just run staging-upload it should work now
[21:17] <yofel> Riddell: what's the intended purpose of staging-upload?
[21:17] <murthy> clivejo: let me see
[21:17] <TJ-> Riddell: Maybe I used thw wrong word... not branding, but for example references to Kubuntu rather than Debian in strings/docs and maybe some tools?
[21:17] <sgclark> staging upload?
[21:18] <murthy> clivejo: run this kdeconnect-cli --version
[21:18] <sgclark> ahh bash script should work if skipping the backport merge
[21:18] <yofel> if you're skipping git on backports, you might as well use my old script...
[21:18] <clivejo> murthy: 0.8
[21:18] <sgclark> old script?
[21:18] <yofel> although, the hooks are unmaintained
[21:19] <murthy> clivejo: thats the default one
[21:19] <yofel> kubuntu-batch-backport in automation
[21:19] <murthy> let me see what happens after I install
[21:19] <murthy> clivejo: ^
[21:19] <sgclark> oh I meant just skipping for now. not for good.
[21:19]  * clivejo rolls eyes, I probably messed the packaging up 
[21:20] <valorie> what's my best bet folks, for making a bootable kub. ISO to check out a possible new travel computer?
[21:20] <valorie> in the store I mean, before purchasing
[21:20] <valorie> 15.04 64-bit?
[21:21] <murthy> brb
[21:21] <valorie> running out of time to purchase and fix up such a box
[21:23] <ahoneybun> tool to make it or if you should use 15.04 vs 14.04?
[21:24] <Riddell> TJ-: again there shouldn't be many of those, we have the kubuntu-docs packages for docs and kubuntu-settings package for settings
[21:25] <TJ-> Riddell: OK, that makes things easier especially for translations :)
[21:27] <yofel> sgclark: well, you need the past changes from git or the hooks to get sane packages out at the end, so either you do the merges or you just run a script that just pulls the existing packages and uploads them to a different release (which is what the old one does)
[21:28] <yofel> Riddell: what's the intended purpose of staging-upload?
[21:28] <murthy> clivejo: I just tested with kdeconnect 0.8b the issue is not fixed. I think I saw a commit, a possible fix for this issue 0.8b tag. Let me check that
[21:28] <Riddell> yofel: replaces kubuntu-initial-upload
[21:28] <yofel> why?
[21:29] <clivejo> murthy: what is your version showing as?
[21:29] <Riddell> yofel:  just tidying up the script, removing some of the cruft it's got
[21:29] <yofel> ok
[21:29] <murthy> clivejo: the command shows 0.8
[21:29] <clivejo> oh, so maybe I did package it ok!
[21:30] <murthy> clivejo: the package version is the one I set which is 0.8b
[21:30] <murthy> clivejo: ya
[21:30] <murthy> clivejo: so you know packaging :)
[21:30] <clivejo> thats a shame, I was hoping that file corrupting bug was fixed
[21:30] <sgclark> sorry not really here. I did not realize I leave Sunday for akademy and have RL to attend to. But I will get wily uploaded by end of day.
[21:32] <Riddell> sgclark: don't worry if you can't!
[21:32] <Riddell> we should be working out how to build it with gcc 5
[21:33] <Riddell> maybe we should make staging-frameworks depend on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/+packages
[21:33] <murthy> clivejo: I am going to test kdeconnect in the master branch
[21:36] <clivejo> murthy: let me know how it goes
[21:36] <murthy> ok
[21:41] <Riddell> sgclark: I made staging-frameworks depend on that gcc5 PPA so we know what breaks
[21:42] <sgclark> mm ok
[21:44] <valorie> !md5sum
[21:59] <Riddell> clivejo: it worked merge-o-matic is back!
[21:59] <Riddell> smokekde korundum kactivities kdnssd kwallet  need merged
[21:59] <Riddell> let me know if you fancy tackling those clivejo, TJ- and need any pointers
[22:02] <TJ-> Question re: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Prevent_Merge.2FBuild_Fail   ... the example shows using "quilt import <patch>" without any context as to where the patch file comes from. Surely if the patch is already in upstream the best approach would be "git cherry-pick --no-commit <commitish>" followed by "git diff > ../xxx.patch" and *then* "quilt import ../xxx.patch" ?
[22:03] <TJ-> (with a "git reset --hard HEAD" to remove the cherry-pick of course)
[22:05] <Riddell> TJ-: your git foo might be better than mine :)
[22:05] <TJ-> Riddell: :) ... I just felt I came in 1/2 way in reading that... lost the most important part of the context
[22:06] <Riddell> TJ-: it's a wiki, feel free to edit :)
[22:06] <TJ-> Riddell: I'll make local notes for now until I start actually using the tooling and confirm I'm correct :)
[22:13]  * Riddell uploads meta-kde-telepathy
[22:14] <Riddell> from  https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html  polkit-qt-1
[22:14] <Riddell> pkg-kde-tools
[22:16] <Riddell> and of course lots of non-kde stuff anyone can take
[22:37] <murthy> Riddell: do you know the build dependencies for kdeconnect on frameworks ? I am trying to build from master and its asking for a lot of kf5 libs, installing it one by one is hard.
[22:38] <Riddell> murthy: are you building on wily or vivid?
[22:38] <murthy> Riddell: vivid
[22:39] <murthy> is it harmful?
[22:39] <murthy> backports are enabled
[22:40] <Riddell> murthy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma is the package currently
[22:40] <murthy> I am stuck here https://paste.kde.org/py13z5gya
[22:40] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdeconnect-plasma would get them
[22:40] <murthy> oh
[22:40] <murthy> thats nice
[22:40] <murthy> let me try that
[22:42] <Riddell> murthy: has there been a release or are you packaging from git?
[22:42] <murthy> Riddell: testing from git branch
[22:43] <murthy> Riddell: just making deb to uninstall easily
[22:43] <mparillo_> valorie: I used unetbootin to make bootable USBs, but rumour has it that it does not work on UEFI systems.
[22:43] <Riddell> murthy:  well I think the package could do with an update so if you get it working let me know and I'll get it into the archive for wily
[22:44] <murthy> sure
[22:51]  * Riddell out