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[02:04] <Finetundra> hi folks, why would my logout button not be working?
[02:06] <Unit193> Try checking .cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log?
[02:06] <Unit193> What happens if you invoke lxsession-logout manually?
[02:07] <fishcooker> im on lubuntu 14.04 everytime i press ctrl+al+del .. the system will logout my session forcefully.. how to override this
[02:09] <Finetundra> Unit193: here's the log you wanted: http://pastebin.com/rUKB3S1Y
[02:09] <Finetundra> Unit193: it says that lxsession-login is not installed
[02:10] <Unit193> Not login, logout.
[02:10] <Finetundra> right, that
[02:12] <Finetundra> I installed after installing kubuntu
[02:13] <Finetundra> gah, wrong channel
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[02:31] <Finetundra> so right, how do I fix the logout issue?
[03:28] <ianorlin> fishcooker: maybe edit ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml so that it launches lxtask instead of lxsession-defualt task-manager
[03:28] <ianorlin> and then run openbox --rconfigure
[03:31] <fishcooker> i've edited btw .. will i be logged out after i've ran "openbox --rconfigure" .. btw what is lxtask actually, ianorlin?
[03:33] <Unit193> Unless you aren't using the Lubuntu session.
[03:34] <ianorlin> lxtask is the lxde task manager
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[16:35]  * lopta waits patiently for lubuntu 15.04 to download.
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[19:58] <lopta> Today I tried lubuntu for the first time (on an older Dell laptop). The install seemed to go smoothly but when I try to boot into the OS I get dumped to a grub "rescue mode" prompt.
[19:58] <lopta> I'll have another go.
[20:12] <lopta> Is @LubuntuOfficial the official Lubuntu presence on twitter?
[20:12] <lopta> (as the name suggests)?
[20:17] <ianorlin> lopta: which drive did you install grub to on the laptop or did you use autoresize or entire disk?
[20:17] <pleia2> lopta: @lubuntudesktop is what lubuntu.net links, and it's more active, I don't really know the history/officialness of all the accounts though
[20:17] <ianorlin> that is the twitter account for the comms team
[20:18] <pleia2> ianorlin: which one?
[20:19] <ianorlin> @lubuntuoffical
[20:19] <ianorlin> I don't use twitter though
[20:19] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs#Find_Lubuntu seems to favor @lubuntuofficial, so it seems either way, both accounts are controlled by folks who are associated with lubuntu in some way :)
[20:20] <lopta> ianorlin: I used "entire disk"
[20:20] <lopta> Thanks pleia2
[20:20] <ianorlin> lopta: since you don't have any data I might just reinstall with manual partitioning and crate an ext4 and make sure that your hard drive is chosen for bootloader installation
[20:21] <teward> (unrelated) I think I'm following you on twitter, pleia2 xD
[20:21] <lopta> ianorlin: Thanks. I'm having another go at the installation now. If that doesn't work I'll try manually partitioning.
[20:22] <lopta> I need to divide up my twitter account again. They only let me follow 2,000 people.
[20:24] <lopta> Same thing: I get "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'.
[20:24] <pleia2> teward: I recognize your nick from when I was in PA (I think you might have participated on the mailing list?)
[20:25] <ianorlin> lopta how is the disk you installed attached?
[20:25] <teward> pleia2: yep, still me.  https://launchpad.net/~teward  mostly dabble in server packages now, with my fingerprints over nginx in Ubuntu almost permanently xD
[20:25] <ianorlin> I have gotten that when I install to an external hard drive
[20:25] <lopta> ianorlin: PATA, internal to the laptop.
[20:26] <ianorlin> lopta: does pressing any key allow you to continue?
[20:26] <lopta> ianorlin: No, I get dumped at a grub prompt.
[21:21] <lopta> Experimentally I tried a Xubuntu 14.10 disc that I had sitting around. That one worked but I don't know whether that's because it's Xubuntu or because it's 14.10
[21:21] <lopta> Perhaps I should try lubuntu 14.10.
[21:22] <ianorlin> lopta: although 14.10 ends support near the end of this month and then upgrades become harder
[21:25] <lopta> Right but if I can get it installed and booting, perhaps I can upgrade it in-situ.
[21:30] <lopta> Ugh. Can't find .torrent files for 14.10.
[21:35] <ianorlin> ah yeah that will work
[21:41] <lopta> (only if I can find it ;-)
[21:42] <Unit193> lopta: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/
[21:42] <Unit193> Though again, I wouldn't since 14.10 is nearing EOL.
[21:43] <lopta> Thanks Unit193
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[22:38] <encboot> hello. i have now the 3th time at a friends home following error: lubuntu fills up the boot partition after some time and after that it does not install any updates any more because of space problems
[22:38] <encboot> using 15.04. problem was also there with 14.10
[22:38] <ianorlin> encboot: why are they using a seperate /boot partition?
[22:39] <ianorlin> is this a uefi system ?
[22:39] <encboot> ianorlin: i installed the system. i help them to get away from windows. thats terrible. i am so proud of using linux and the system crashes there every few months!
[22:40] <ianorlin> yeah how much space on the boot partition
[22:40] <encboot> ianorlin: no, its a bios system
[22:40] <ianorlin> IT might be new kernels
[22:40] <encboot> i got called this night. i told them to enter 'df' and tell me how much is been used at the line with 'boot' inside. its 99% used
[22:41] <Unit193> I support ianorlin evaluation.
[22:41] <Unit193> 's
[22:42] <encboot> ~230mb is the default /boot size
[22:42] <encboot> 2mb free now
[22:42] <ianorlin> yeah that is too small how big is the disk?
[22:42] <encboot> ianorlin: 30gb
[22:43] <ianorlin> why would you use a seperate /boot on that small a disk
[22:44] <encboot> ianorlin: i dont setup ANYTHING at install. just follow the installation gui. i say "use whole disk" and then it wipes everything and creates the partitions. i dont setup anything
[22:44] <ianorlin> I don't think entire disk is supposed to setup a seperate /boot
[22:45] <encboot> the hdd is encrypted (installer asks me if it should encrypt). i think it needs then a separate unencrypted /boot with grub inside
[22:46] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:46] <encboot> why the hell does it automaticly create a /boot in a size that is ben KNOWN that its too small?!
[22:47] <ianorlin> I don't have a production system with a 30 GB disk that I use with disk encryption
[22:47] <encboot> the people now are telling me that their windows xp with truecrypt never had any problems at updating.
[22:48] <encboot> ianorlin: its only for writing text and surfing the web. 20gb are still free.
[22:49] <ianorlin> encboot: I think it makes the size based off the size of the disk
[22:49] <encboot> ianorlin: then there should be a min size
[22:49] <encboot> something like if hdd smaller then x, then always use size y of boot
[22:49] <Unit193> Mine takes ~60MB.
[22:49] <ianorlin> also I currenlty use less than that for my boot it is probably with that big a disk and kernel updates you need to run sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:50] <encboot> ianorlin: the people dont use command line. they also never used command line on windows. the just want to use their webbrowser and libreoffice
[22:51] <ianorlin> or maybe put in the autoremove as a root cronjob weekly or something
[22:51] <ianorlin> I think it will need the -y option though
[22:52] <encboot> great solution :( . is there any other small distro that dont kills himself by creating a too tiny /boot and filling it up after a month and then break the whole updater?
[22:53] <ianorlin> as if you set up that cron job it will run in the backgournd
[22:54] <encboot> cant you implement that inside the next lubuntu nightly so that there is finally a normal working installation iso?
[22:55] <encboot> and then this bug is finally fixed with lubuntu 15.10
[22:56] <encboot> its really critical. normal users install the system and then suddenly dont get critical security updates because of such thing
[22:57] <ianorlin> encboot: I don't think many normal users use full disk encryption
[22:58] <encboot> its beening asked for at installation. windows also dont die after a month because and fail then every update when you use truecrypt
[22:59] <encboot> its no modification i did to the installation media or something like that. just the functionality of the installer is been used
[23:00] <Unit193> LP 1357093
[23:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1357093 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LVM or Encrypted install creates too small /boot partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357093
[23:04] <encboot> ianorlin: your idea with autoremove: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093/comments/10
[23:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1357093 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LVM or Encrypted install creates too small /boot partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:05] <encboot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093/comments/15
[23:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1357093 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LVM or Encrypted install creates too small /boot partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:06] <encboot> its exactly what i am telling: Same problem as indicated above on 14.04 LTS. Why are "old" kernels left on a drive that is too small to begin with? Thank you in advance for fixing it. If fix would allow to expand partition (at least double it) and remove "old" kernels, this would be great!
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[23:10] <encboot> Unit193: it would be great if you could help fixing this bug
[23:12] <encboot> why is such a critical thing not fixed since 1 year? it seems to affect every ubuntu based system