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pittiGood morning04:11
robert_ancellRAOF, it appears your fixing of the valgrind check in xserver-xorg-video-intel never went into the Debian package (they are broken).04:18
robert_ancellRAOF, Also, interesting that xserver-xorg-video-intel crashes is --enable-valgrind is not set. Does that seem correct?!04:18
robert_ancells/is/if04:18
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jhenkehi folks, is anybody planning to update Thunderbird in 15.04 to current upstream? Upstream released 38.1.0 3 days ago, 38.0.1 was completely skipped. I am also asking because every release also contains security fixes...07:15
seb128good morning desktopers07:17
seb128jhenke, that's a question for chrisccoulson but I'm sure we are going to update it at some point yes07:17
seb128pitti, great work on the autopkgtests ;-)07:19
pittibonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?07:19
pittiseb128: merci !07:19
seb128also kudos to whoever worked on the http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/ styling07:20
seb128it's visually quite pleasant07:20
pittiseb128: mostly Brandon Fairchild, this was a GSoC project07:21
pitti(in Debian)07:21
seb128nice!07:21
pittione of the few really good ones that I saw in Debian/Ubuntu07:21
pittihe's even still active07:21
pitti(that GSoC project ran last summer)07:21
pittiit's really fast, and he did some nice tricks with the typeahead search07:23
willcookemorning all07:53
seb128hey willcooke07:56
Laneyhey hey07:59
willcookemorning Laney08:00
Laneywhat up willcooke08:00
willcookeanother grey summer's morning08:00
* willcooke shakes his fist at the sky08:00
Laneywhat if we all turn our fans on and point them upwards08:01
willcooke:)O08:01
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:03
Laneyhey seb128, not bad thanks!08:14
Laneysome fun climbing last night ;-)08:14
* Laney needs to start training properly though08:14
Laneyhow about you?08:14
seb128climbing maniac ;-)08:14
seb128how is your shoulder?08:15
seb128I'm good thanks08:15
seb128had to cancel tennis yesterday though08:15
seb12819°C and grey and wind and rain08:15
seb128wth summer!08:15
Laneyyeah shoulder seems good08:16
Laneyoh no08:16
seb128rescheduled to tonight though, so it's ok08:17
seb128which should be cold and grey but at least not rainy!08:17
chrisccoulsonseb128, jhenke08:43
chrisccoulsonoops08:43
seb128hey chrisccoulson08:44
seb128how are you?08:44
jhenkehi chrisccoulson08:44
chrisccoulsonseb128, jhenke, yes at some point. But my focus is currently bug 1471949 and bug 147400308:44
ubot5bug 1471949 in firefox (Ubuntu Precise) "Firefox 39 crashes on startup or within a few seconds on Precise/x86" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147194908:44
ubot5bug 1474003 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox 39 keeps crashing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147400308:44
jhenkeI see, I understand you have to set priorities08:45
chrisccoulsonAlso, updates from 31.7 -> 38.* haven't yet been enabled for people using Mozilla builds anyway08:45
chrisccoulsonSo there's really no rush08:45
jhenkehmm, on my Windows machine I got that update08:45
chrisccoulsonWere you offered it automatically or did a manual check?08:46
jhenkehmm I do not remember, could be that I went to the about dialog (because I usually use Ubuntu, Windows is just he backup)08:47
jhenkewhat else do you mean by a manual check?08:48
chrisccoulsonjhenke, yeah, going to the about dialog is a manual check08:49
chrisccoulsonseb128, I'm not too bad thanks. How are you?08:50
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm good, thanks ;-)08:50
jhenkechrisccoulson okay, then I wish you good luck with those two bugs and hope for supporting circumstance, which will bring tb 38.x soon :)08:51
willcookeSweet5hark, I'm double booked for our 1:1 - mind if I move it?09:48
willcookeLaney, I'm hearing good things about this:  https://launchpad.net/~hugegreenbug/+archive/ubuntu/cmt210:35
willcookeit's supposed to be a really good open touchpad driver10:35
willcookefrom Chromebooks10:35
willcookeIf you get a chance, could you see how it performs on the XPS?10:35
willcookeno hurry, just interested to know if its something we could think about10:36
willcookeif the synaptics one is poor10:36
willcookeI'm also curious about the failure mode - if you have a TP that isn't supported, does it not work at all10:37
Laneywillcooke: does it work for every 'synaptics' touchpad or what?10:38
willcookeLaney, not sure yet, only just found out about it10:38
Laneyok, will try it10:39
Laneytjaalton: do you know anything about this by any chance?10:39
willcookesounds like it works for tp's on Chromebooks10:39
LaneyI heard that synaptics is supposed to be able to be replaced with a libinput based driver in the medium term too10:42
Laneyah they did this for F2210:44
larsuhello again11:26
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Laneyhey larsu11:29
Laneybeen away?11:30
Sweet5harkwillcooke: I see in my inbox you already moved that. no trouble from my side unless mvo would only be able to make it in that timeslot11:30
larsuLaney: I was here this morning but left for some errands (and lunch) before you guys woke up11:31
Laneyaha11:34
larsuhow are ya?11:36
mvoSweet5hark: what timeslot? I'm somewhat flexible within the limits of my calendar :)11:37
Laneyjust put some bread in to bake!11:39
Laneyhoepfully it comes out well for lunch11:39
Laneyso: grrrrrrreat11:39
larsuha, enjoy!11:39
* Laney is slowly making s-c tests pass with webkit211:42
Laneyrecreated the work I deleted :$11:42
larsuuh oh - how did that happen?11:42
larsuworked in a bd-do? :P11:42
Laneyworked in /home/laney/temp/11:43
larsu:(11:43
Laneythen rm -rf temp/* # why would I need any of this shit?11:43
Laneynow it's in dev/canonical/upstream/desktop/software-center11:43
Laneymuch more sensible11:43
larsuindeed11:44
willcookeSweet5hark, did you speak to mvo then?11:54
mvowillcooke: I'm a bit confused, I go a mail ~2h earlier that Sweet5hark and I should talk but we haven't yet11:55
mvowillcooke: is there anything super-urgent going on?11:55
willcookemvo, Sweet5hark was/is going to have a chat with you about Click packaging of LibreOffice at some point11:55
seb128mvo, nothing to panic over no worry ;-)11:56
willcookefrom his message up there it sounded like he'd asked you to a meeting which I subsequently moved :)11:56
seb128mvo, Sweet5hark, btw I might be interested to join the discussion just for educational purpose11:56
mvowillcooke: yeah, the above message confused me11:57
mvoseb128: sure11:57
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Sweet5harkmvo: yeah -- I just would prefer a timeslot, so I can really make sure there are not other fires to extingush along then. does tomorrow 1300-1400CEST roughly work for you? I would then block that here.13:58
mvoSweet5hark: would 1h later be ok? 16:00-17:00 our time?14:00
mvoSweet5hark: or are you in a different timezone right now .) ?14:01
Sweet5harkmvo: uhm, CEST=Berlin time, so 1600 Berlin time is not one hour later than 1300CEST.14:03
Sweet5harkmvo: anyway 1600-1700 Berlin/CEST/our time tomorrow works for me ;)14:03
mvoSweet5hark: cool, do you create a calendar entry or shall I?14:03
Sweet5harkmvo: I dont use that google-foo much, but go ahead if you want one ;)14:04
mvoSweet5hark: its important so that the time is blocked on my calendar :) invite send14:08
Sweet5harkmvo: great, thanks!14:09
Laneyon the radio they're arranging a ham handover at 16:28 tomorrow in nottingham market square14:38
* Laney is totally there14:38
larsuham handover?14:38
Laneysomeone wrote in and said that he is in nottingham and has too much ham to eat by himself14:39
Laneyso the presenters decided that it would be good for anyone who wants some to meet up14:40
Laney...14:40
willcooke? wrote in because he had too much ham ?14:40
willcookethis will not end well14:40
Laneyhahaha14:40
Laneyif I don't come back then send help to the left lion14:41
willcookethis is a step up from a grotty van with "free kittens" scrawled on the side14:41
larsuhah14:42
Laney6 music listeners are very trustworthy individuals14:42
willcooke;)14:42
willcookeI agree14:42
* Sweet5hark imagines the monty phythons will reunite for a short play called "spHAM!"14:43
willcookeheh14:43
Laneyit'll be a good news story anyway14:43
Laney10 nerds were found dead in the centre of nottingham yesterday after eating poisoned ham in what is being described as a "bizarre radio driven suicide pact"14:44
larsuwhy nerds? Only nerds listen to the radio?14:45
larsuor would only nerds follow a call for ham?14:45
Laneyya, I am imagining the type of person who might turn up to such a meeting14:47
larsuselecting nautilus' floating bar with the inspector is ... hard14:48
larsuLaney: makes sense. Are you going for real? Would love to know how many people turn up... (don't eat the ham, though!)14:48
Laneyprobably14:49
Laneycould get my picture... on the radio...14:50
larsuoh yeah!14:50
larsuonly now that firefox is blocking flash am I realizing how many sites use it...14:52
larsu(github, for example!?)14:52
attentehappyaron: hey, can you do a fcitx-qimpanel release with QT 5 enabled?14:54
Laneyphew, pushed s-c this time14:55
larsu:)14:58
Sweet5harkhmm, meetingology desktop meeting logs are not public anymore?15:26
seb128Sweet5hark, ?15:29
seb128oh, I expect that to be a bug15:29
Sweet5harkseb128:  http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/15:29
seb128even specific urls can't be opened15:29
seb128http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-06-23-15.31.log.html15:29
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-07-1415:30
willcookehrm15:31
larsuhrm.15:31
willcookemeetingology crashed?15:31
seb128seems like the bot/server are having issues15:31
seb128I guess we need to do without it today15:32
willcookejust looking to see if I can find a command to kick it back in to lie15:32
willcookelife15:32
Laney#ubuntu-bots15:32
seb128shrug15:33
seb128stop people bouncing me to different channels15:33
seb128I asked to -devel and go redirected to -irc15:33
willcookemeh15:33
willcookelet's crack on15:33
Laneyhaha15:33
seb128not going to ask on a third channel15:33
* Laney strokes seb12815:33
willcookeRoll call: attente (out), desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron (probably out), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out)15:33
Laneyit'll  be okay15:33
seb128lol15:33
larsu\o15:33
dgadomskio/15:33
seb128hey :-)15:33
Sweet5harkheya15:33
willcookeI'll use the same commands for greping purposes...15:34
seb128willcooke, isn't desrt out as well?15:34
larsudesrt is out?15:34
seb128willcooke, UE calendar has him in PTO15:34
seb128yesterday and today15:34
seb128larsu, ^15:34
willcookeoh, yeah15:34
larsuthanks15:34
willcookemissed that one15:34
Laneyslackers15:34
larsuslackers!15:35
seb128:-)15:35
willcooke#topic attente15:35
willcookeinvestigated clipboard support for gtk-mir: blocked on needing api15:35
willcookefrom content-hub15:35
willcookegtk-mir: fixed an issue where surfaces were still being created after15:35
willcookewindows are destroyed, warning clean-up15:35
willcookewas debugging surfaces not properly receiving focus in our package,15:35
willcookebut it might be fixed with a new mir release15:35
willcookeapparmor kernel patch is signed off, but still blocked on review of15:35
willcookethe corresponding apparmor patch15:35
willcooke(eof)15:35
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:35
dgadomskihey15:35
dgadomskiworked on bug #1473458 - looks like in case of large number of connections saved in nm the dbus config param max_replies_per_connection limits the number of connections available to a user. So in case of more than ~128 connections (the default value of that param is 128) it may be required to increase it in the system bus config to have access to all of them (e.g. you can't connect to your VPNs via nm if they will be outside the default15:35
dgadomski128 connections displayed, nmcli also cannot access them)15:35
ubot5bug 1473458 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "NM not listing all configured connections" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147345815:35
dgadomskitrying to reproduce #1297849, if I don't succeed soon I should be able to obtain some debug logs to analyze them15:35
dgadomskireported the gvfs ACL issue (bug #1464645) upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752067, provided some logs, waiting for their feedback15:35
ubot5Gnome bug 752067 in smb backend "smb backend does not support ACL" [Normal,New]15:35
ubot5bug 1464645 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Samba shares over gvfs do not respect ACL rules" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146464515:35
dgadomskiEOF15:36
seb128thanks for upstreaming the gvfs one15:36
dgadomskiyw :)15:36
willcookeawesome stuff, thanks dgadomski15:36
dgadomskithank you15:36
seb128the dbus thing might be worth discussing with pitti or maybe desrt/larsu15:36
willcooke#topic FJKong15:36
dgadomskithanks seb128, I'll talk to them15:36
willcooke1 After move statusbar tip position not right15:36
willcooke  fixed already15:36
willcooke2 index number and candidate words are not on same hight after press15:36
willcookepages up and down15:36
willcooke  fixed already15:36
willcooke3 track coredump file from random crash15:36
willcooke  on going15:36
willcooke3 prepare some material for VISA15:36
willcooke#topic happyaron15:37
willcookeprobably in bed, so timeout in 60 seconds15:37
willcookehappyaron, please let me have your update via email15:38
willcooke#topic Laney15:38
Laney• Accidentally deleted my software-center porting, re-did it and (maybe) finished it this time. MPed.15:38
Laney• Worked some more on using the gpg upstream pinentry, uploaded that.15:38
Laney∘ Come up with a scheme to let flavours choose their own pinentry, not very good until https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791441 is fixed15:38
ubot5Debian bug 791441 in gnupg-agent "Add more flexible mechanism to set the default pinentry per desktop environment" [Important,Open]15:38
Laney∘ Merged new gnupg2, currently resting in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gpg15:38
Laney∘ Tracked down a gcr bug & submitted patch for broken prompt with gnupg 2.0.28, also resting there until the patch is reviewed15:38
Laney• By request of doko, merge pcre3, rebuild with gcc5, turns out to require a transition - submit both our regular (existing) delta and an update about the gcc5 situation to Debian15:38
Laney∘ File an sbuild bug with patch about it being hard to test build toolchain components from extra repositories like PPAs, waiting for feedback15:38
Laney• Update: gtk+3.0 3.16.5 in ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-004 (when is this going to be uploaded to wily?)15:38
Laney• Fix (NMU) autoconf-archive file conflict breakage in wily/unstable15:38
Laney• Get briefed about new autopkgtest infrastructure so that I can do some basic maintenance while pitti is away next week15:38
Laney• some proposed-migration eyeballing for a few stuck things15:39
Laney• misc: on hols on Friday15:39
Laney15:39
willcookethanks Laney15:39
willcooke#topic larsu15:39
Laneythat's a coffin btw15:39
larsuI worked some more on the dialog button spacing patch (in master now)15:39
Laneyyay15:40
Laneycan it go to branch?15:40
larsuhad some fun with mice and touchpads in u-s-d (making hw killswitch for touchpads work for oem)15:40
larsuLaney: already proposed15:40
larsuLaney: oh. no.15:40
larsusome more discussion and work on the big icon issue - but there are a lot of issues in gtk's handling of those15:41
seb128Laney, "soon, it's being tested today" says #ubuntu-mir about that landing 00415:41
LaneyI noticed that (probably) in eog's fullscreen toolbar too15:41
larsuya...15:41
larsumaybe I should work around this in our icon theme for now15:41
Laneyalso we should hide the headerbar there15:41
Laneyseb128: thx for poking15:42
larsusince I probably won't be having a fix before I go on holiday15:42
larsuNEXT WEEK15:42
larsualso some theming work that I finally plan on landing this week (sorry for the delays)15:42
Laneylike prerender the icons?15:42
seb128yes, please land the theme thing before holidays ;-)15:42
larsuLaney: no, just fiddling with the directory sizes a bit15:42
Laneyoh ok15:43
larsu</larsu>15:43
willcookethanks larsu15:43
larsuseb128: ya... as usual, changing things breaks unexpected things :/15:43
* larsu hates css15:43
willcooke#topic qengho15:43
qengho- chromium/ozone/mir work.15:44
qengho- work on an upcoming problem with codecs. Upstream ripped out dymanic loading to fix Windows problems. Contributor saikrishna is working on it. We may have a solution.15:44
seb128just curious but what's the status of chromium on mir?15:45
seb128getting close from working?15:45
qenghoAnd some more bug reports from people who want GPU functions on again.15:45
qenghoseb128: it's pretty close, I think.15:46
willcooke\m/15:46
qenghoAbout GPU, I think we should re-enable. We will get bug reports from hangs to errors.u.c .15:46
qenghoBut, we should quash those with bug patterns.15:47
qenghoThat's all for me.15:47
willcookethanks qengho15:47
willcooke#topic seb12815:47
seb128• ubuntu-personal snappy image15:48
seb128∘ hit snappy upgrade issues with the new kernel/grub, reported to snappy team with debug info15:48
seb128∘ other upgrade issues due to the new kernel logic and /boot space15:48
seb128∘ joined some discussions about legacy applications support15:48
seb128• tested/validated some touch ota candidate updates15:48
seb128• investigated/discussed ota-update langpack issues15:48
seb128• NEW reviewed "buteo" stack for touch15:48
seb128• ubuntu-system-settings15:48
seb128∘ some reviews (fixes for non scrollable panels)15:48
seb128∘ submitted fix for reading the correct custom-id number from system-image15:48
seb128• some bugs triage15:48
seb128</week>15:48
willcookevery busy week :)15:48
willcookethank you seb12815:48
seb128as always :-)15:48
seb128yw!15:48
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:48
Sweet5hark- libreoffice 5.0 rc315:49
Sweet5hark- some more work on backporting to trusty and precise (unfortunately this eats still way too much time)15:49
Sweet5hark- registered at the conference and submitted conference papers15:49
Sweet5hark- some more conference orga wrt to sponsoring etc.15:49
Sweet5hark- coordinated/wrote job description for upcoming new hire at TDF15:49
Sweet5hark- some initial look at click packaging15:49
Sweet5hark- wrote blog post on Doc Viewer/LibreOfficeKit15:49
Sweet5hark- bug triage15:49
Sweet5hark- administrative/leadership tidbits15:49
Sweet5harkEOF15:49
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:49
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:49
willcookehrm, he was here earlier15:51
willcooketkamppeter, please let me have your updates by email, or at the end of the meeting15:51
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:52
willcooke After further digging, found that the gnome screen saver issue I reported on last week is due to a crash in GLib, filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752202 with a traceback from gnome-screensaver-dialog.15:52
willcooke* Continued work on modularizing the accessibility profile code in casper.15:52
willcooke* More upstream Speech DIspatcher discussion and work.15:52
ubot5Gnome bug 752202 in gobject "gnome-screensaver-dialog crashed with SIGSEGV in g_signal_handler_disconnect" [Major,New]15:52
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:52
willcooke- Fixied XMir bugs.15:52
willcooke- Tidied XMir patch in preparation for proposal upstream.15:52
willcooke- Updated X.Org packages to latest upstream versions, synced with Debian, added patch headers.15:52
willcooke#topic Any other business15:53
willcookeAnyone got anything?15:53
Laneyrobert_ancell is doing X stuff now?15:53
willcookeHe's supporting tjaalton15:53
Laney(beyond xmir)15:53
Laneynice15:54
seb128didn't you notice today that he merged/updated some of that? ;-)15:54
willcooke:)15:54
seb128oh, you don't read -changes do you?15:54
seb128Laney, desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752202 might be for one of you15:55
willcookehe sent me an email basically saying "just because my name is on the commit doesn't mean it's mine" :)15:55
ubot5Gnome bug 752202 in gobject "gnome-screensaver-dialog crashed with SIGSEGV in g_signal_handler_disconnect" [Major,New]15:55
seb128that states that downgrading glib fixes it15:55
willcookehit up TheMuso for more info.15:55
tkamppeterhi15:55
willcookehey tkamppeter15:55
tkamppeter- More testing on ippusbxd to find out why it does not print on my printer but does all othger IPP transactions.15:56
tkamppeter- Uploaded new cups-filters and system-config-printers packages with the fixes on using ippusbxd with systemd.15:56
tkamppeter- Bugs15:56
Laneyno I don't read it15:56
willcookethanks tkamppeter15:56
Laneyright, ttyl, got to go to a meeting (skipped lunch today)15:57
* Laney waves15:57
willcookethanks all15:57
willcooke#endmeeting15:57
larsuLaney: have ham!15:57
seb128thanks!15:58
seb128Laney, you baked bread didn't work out?15:58
seb128your*15:58
seb128oh, you probably mean you didn't take a lunch break15:58
seb128but you had something to eat still :-)15:58
seb128Laney, have fun!15:59
willcookeqengho, a thought crosses my mind... I wonder if enabling GPU "stuff" in Cr will break compatibility with Xmir?16:23
willcookeand/or Mir16:23
willcookeno biggy, we can turn if off for those use cases16:23
willcookejust curious if it'll work16:23
willcookewe shall see L()16:23
willcooke:)16:23
qenghowillcooke: hrm, well, it's hard to say because it's a hardware-related crash, but unity and other compositors are already using the GPU in their own ways. I don't think Mir is very different in that regard.16:25
willcookeg'night all17:58
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jdstrandfyi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/FirefoxAndAdobeFlashNPAPI22:19

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