[04:11] <pitti> Good morning
[04:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, it appears your fixing of the valgrind check in xserver-xorg-video-intel never went into the Debian package (they are broken).
[04:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, Also, interesting that xserver-xorg-video-intel crashes is --enable-valgrind is not set. Does that seem correct?!
[04:18] <robert_ancell> s/is/if
[07:15] <jhenke> hi folks, is anybody planning to update Thunderbird in 15.04 to current upstream? Upstream released 38.1.0 3 days ago, 38.0.1 was completely skipped. I am also asking because every release also contains security fixes...
[07:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:17] <seb128> jhenke, that's a question for chrisccoulson but I'm sure we are going to update it at some point yes
[07:19] <seb128> pitti, great work on the autopkgtests ;-)
[07:19] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[07:19] <pitti> seb128: merci !
[07:20] <seb128> also kudos to whoever worked on the http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/ styling
[07:20] <seb128> it's visually quite pleasant
[07:21] <pitti> seb128: mostly Brandon Fairchild, this was a GSoC project
[07:21] <pitti> (in Debian)
[07:21] <seb128> nice!
[07:21] <pitti> one of the few really good ones that I saw in Debian/Ubuntu
[07:21] <pitti> he's even still active
[07:21] <pitti> (that GSoC project ran last summer)
[07:23] <pitti> it's really fast, and he did some nice tricks with the typeahead search
[07:53] <willcooke> morning all
[07:56] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:59] <Laney> hey hey
[08:00] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:00] <Laney> what up willcooke
[08:00] <willcooke> another grey summer's morning
[08:00]  * willcooke shakes his fist at the sky
[08:01] <Laney> what if we all turn our fans on and point them upwards
[08:01] <willcooke> :)O
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:14] <Laney> hey seb128, not bad thanks!
[08:14] <Laney> some fun climbing last night ;-)
[08:14]  * Laney needs to start training properly though
[08:14] <Laney> how about you?
[08:14] <seb128> climbing maniac ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> how is your shoulder?
[08:15] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:15] <seb128> had to cancel tennis yesterday though
[08:15] <seb128> 19°C and grey and wind and rain
[08:15] <seb128> wth summer!
[08:16] <Laney> yeah shoulder seems good
[08:16] <Laney> oh no
[08:17] <seb128> rescheduled to tonight though, so it's ok
[08:17] <seb128> which should be cold and grey but at least not rainy!
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128, jhenke
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> oops
[08:44] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:44] <seb128> how are you?
[08:44] <jhenke> hi chrisccoulson
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128, jhenke, yes at some point. But my focus is currently bug 1471949 and bug 1474003
[08:45] <jhenke> I see, I understand you have to set priorities
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> Also, updates from 31.7 -> 38.* haven't yet been enabled for people using Mozilla builds anyway
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> So there's really no rush
[08:45] <jhenke> hmm, on my Windows machine I got that update
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> Were you offered it automatically or did a manual check?
[08:47] <jhenke> hmm I do not remember, could be that I went to the about dialog (because I usually use Ubuntu, Windows is just he backup)
[08:48] <jhenke> what else do you mean by a manual check?
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> jhenke, yeah, going to the about dialog is a manual check
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I'm not too bad thanks. How are you?
[08:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good, thanks ;-)
[08:51] <jhenke> chrisccoulson okay, then I wish you good luck with those two bugs and hope for supporting circumstance, which will bring tb 38.x soon :)
[09:48] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, I'm double booked for our 1:1 - mind if I move it?
[10:35] <willcooke> Laney, I'm hearing good things about this:  https://launchpad.net/~hugegreenbug/+archive/ubuntu/cmt2
[10:35] <willcooke> it's supposed to be a really good open touchpad driver
[10:35] <willcooke> from Chromebooks
[10:35] <willcooke> If you get a chance, could you see how it performs on the XPS?
[10:36] <willcooke> no hurry, just interested to know if its something we could think about
[10:36] <willcooke> if the synaptics one is poor
[10:37] <willcooke> I'm also curious about the failure mode - if you have a TP that isn't supported, does it not work at all
[10:38] <Laney> willcooke: does it work for every 'synaptics' touchpad or what?
[10:38] <willcooke> Laney, not sure yet, only just found out about it
[10:39] <Laney> ok, will try it
[10:39] <Laney> tjaalton: do you know anything about this by any chance?
[10:39] <willcooke> sounds like it works for tp's on Chromebooks
[10:42] <Laney> I heard that synaptics is supposed to be able to be replaced with a libinput based driver in the medium term too
[10:44] <Laney> ah they did this for F22
[11:26] <larsu> hello again
[11:29] <Laney> hey larsu
[11:30] <Laney> been away?
[11:30] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: I see in my inbox you already moved that. no trouble from my side unless mvo would only be able to make it in that timeslot
[11:31] <larsu> Laney: I was here this morning but left for some errands (and lunch) before you guys woke up
[11:34] <Laney> aha
[11:36] <larsu> how are ya?
[11:37] <mvo> Sweet5hark: what timeslot? I'm somewhat flexible within the limits of my calendar :)
[11:39] <Laney> just put some bread in to bake!
[11:39] <Laney> hoepfully it comes out well for lunch
[11:39] <Laney> so: grrrrrrreat
[11:39] <larsu> ha, enjoy!
[11:42]  * Laney is slowly making s-c tests pass with webkit2
[11:42] <Laney> recreated the work I deleted :$
[11:42] <larsu> uh oh - how did that happen?
[11:42] <larsu> worked in a bd-do? :P
[11:43] <Laney> worked in /home/laney/temp/
[11:43] <larsu> :(
[11:43] <Laney> then rm -rf temp/* # why would I need any of this shit?
[11:43] <Laney> now it's in dev/canonical/upstream/desktop/software-center
[11:43] <Laney> much more sensible
[11:44] <larsu> indeed
[11:54] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, did you speak to mvo then?
[11:55] <mvo> willcooke: I'm a bit confused, I go a mail ~2h earlier that Sweet5hark and I should talk but we haven't yet
[11:55] <mvo> willcooke: is there anything super-urgent going on?
[11:55] <willcooke> mvo, Sweet5hark was/is going to have a chat with you about Click packaging of LibreOffice at some point
[11:56] <seb128> mvo, nothing to panic over no worry ;-)
[11:56] <willcooke> from his message up there it sounded like he'd asked you to a meeting which I subsequently moved :)
[11:56] <seb128> mvo, Sweet5hark, btw I might be interested to join the discussion just for educational purpose
[11:57] <mvo> willcooke: yeah, the above message confused me
[11:57] <mvo> seb128: sure
[13:58] <Sweet5hark> mvo: yeah -- I just would prefer a timeslot, so I can really make sure there are not other fires to extingush along then. does tomorrow 1300-1400CEST roughly work for you? I would then block that here.
[14:00] <mvo> Sweet5hark: would 1h later be ok? 16:00-17:00 our time?
[14:01] <mvo> Sweet5hark: or are you in a different timezone right now .) ?
[14:03] <Sweet5hark> mvo: uhm, CEST=Berlin time, so 1600 Berlin time is not one hour later than 1300CEST.
[14:03] <Sweet5hark> mvo: anyway 1600-1700 Berlin/CEST/our time tomorrow works for me ;)
[14:03] <mvo> Sweet5hark: cool, do you create a calendar entry or shall I?
[14:04] <Sweet5hark> mvo: I dont use that google-foo much, but go ahead if you want one ;)
[14:08] <mvo> Sweet5hark: its important so that the time is blocked on my calendar :) invite send
[14:09] <Sweet5hark> mvo: great, thanks!
[14:38] <Laney> on the radio they're arranging a ham handover at 16:28 tomorrow in nottingham market square
[14:38]  * Laney is totally there
[14:38] <larsu> ham handover?
[14:39] <Laney> someone wrote in and said that he is in nottingham and has too much ham to eat by himself
[14:40] <Laney> so the presenters decided that it would be good for anyone who wants some to meet up
[14:40] <Laney> ...
[14:40] <willcooke> ? wrote in because he had too much ham ?
[14:40] <willcooke> this will not end well
[14:40] <Laney> hahaha
[14:41] <Laney> if I don't come back then send help to the left lion
[14:41] <willcooke> this is a step up from a grotty van with "free kittens" scrawled on the side
[14:42] <larsu> hah
[14:42] <Laney> 6 music listeners are very trustworthy individuals
[14:42] <willcooke> ;)
[14:42] <willcooke> I agree
[14:43]  * Sweet5hark imagines the monty phythons will reunite for a short play called "spHAM!"
[14:43] <willcooke> heh
[14:43] <Laney> it'll be a good news story anyway
[14:44] <Laney> 10 nerds were found dead in the centre of nottingham yesterday after eating poisoned ham in what is being described as a "bizarre radio driven suicide pact"
[14:45] <larsu> why nerds? Only nerds listen to the radio?
[14:45] <larsu> or would only nerds follow a call for ham?
[14:47] <Laney> ya, I am imagining the type of person who might turn up to such a meeting
[14:48] <larsu> selecting nautilus' floating bar with the inspector is ... hard
[14:48] <larsu> Laney: makes sense. Are you going for real? Would love to know how many people turn up... (don't eat the ham, though!)
[14:49] <Laney> probably
[14:50] <Laney> could get my picture... on the radio...
[14:50] <larsu> oh yeah!
[14:52] <larsu> only now that firefox is blocking flash am I realizing how many sites use it...
[14:52] <larsu> (github, for example!?)
[14:54] <attente> happyaron: hey, can you do a fcitx-qimpanel release with QT 5 enabled?
[14:55] <Laney> phew, pushed s-c this time
[14:58] <larsu> :)
[15:26] <Sweet5hark> hmm, meetingology desktop meeting logs are not public anymore?
[15:29] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ?
[15:29] <seb128> oh, I expect that to be a bug
[15:29] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/
[15:29] <seb128> even specific urls can't be opened
[15:29] <seb128> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-06-23-15.31.log.html
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-07-14
[15:31] <willcooke> hrm
[15:31] <larsu> hrm.
[15:31] <willcooke> meetingology crashed?
[15:31] <seb128> seems like the bot/server are having issues
[15:32] <seb128> I guess we need to do without it today
[15:32] <willcooke> just looking to see if I can find a command to kick it back in to lie
[15:32] <willcooke> life
[15:32] <Laney> #ubuntu-bots
[15:33] <seb128> shrug
[15:33] <seb128> stop people bouncing me to different channels
[15:33] <seb128> I asked to -devel and go redirected to -irc
[15:33] <willcooke> meh
[15:33] <willcooke> let's crack on
[15:33] <Laney> haha
[15:33] <seb128> not going to ask on a third channel
[15:33]  * Laney strokes seb128
[15:33] <willcooke> Roll call: attente (out), desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron (probably out), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:33] <Laney> it'll  be okay
[15:33] <seb128> lol
[15:33] <larsu> \o
[15:33] <dgadomski> o/
[15:33] <seb128> hey :-)
[15:33] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:34] <willcooke> I'll use the same commands for greping purposes...
[15:34] <seb128> willcooke, isn't desrt out as well?
[15:34] <larsu> desrt is out?
[15:34] <seb128> willcooke, UE calendar has him in PTO
[15:34] <seb128> yesterday and today
[15:34] <seb128> larsu, ^
[15:34] <willcooke> oh, yeah
[15:34] <larsu> thanks
[15:34] <willcooke> missed that one
[15:34] <Laney> slackers
[15:35] <larsu> slackers!
[15:35] <seb128> :-)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <willcooke> investigated clipboard support for gtk-mir: blocked on needing api
[15:35] <willcooke> from content-hub
[15:35] <willcooke> gtk-mir: fixed an issue where surfaces were still being created after
[15:35] <willcooke> windows are destroyed, warning clean-up
[15:35] <willcooke> was debugging surfaces not properly receiving focus in our package,
[15:35] <willcooke> but it might be fixed with a new mir release
[15:35] <willcooke> apparmor kernel patch is signed off, but still blocked on review of
[15:35] <willcooke> the corresponding apparmor patch
[15:35] <willcooke> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> worked on bug #1473458 - looks like in case of large number of connections saved in nm the dbus config param max_replies_per_connection limits the number of connections available to a user. So in case of more than ~128 connections (the default value of that param is 128) it may be required to increase it in the system bus config to have access to all of them (e.g. you can't connect to your VPNs via nm if they will be outside the default
[15:35] <dgadomski> 128 connections displayed, nmcli also cannot access them)
[15:35] <dgadomski> trying to reproduce #1297849, if I don't succeed soon I should be able to obtain some debug logs to analyze them
[15:35] <dgadomski> reported the gvfs ACL issue (bug #1464645) upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752067, provided some logs, waiting for their feedback
[15:36] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:36] <seb128> thanks for upstreaming the gvfs one
[15:36] <dgadomski> yw :)
[15:36] <willcooke> awesome stuff, thanks dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:36] <seb128> the dbus thing might be worth discussing with pitti or maybe desrt/larsu
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:36] <dgadomski> thanks seb128, I'll talk to them
[15:36] <willcooke> 1 After move statusbar tip position not right
[15:36] <willcooke>   fixed already
[15:36] <willcooke> 2 index number and candidate words are not on same hight after press
[15:36] <willcooke> pages up and down
[15:36] <willcooke>   fixed already
[15:36] <willcooke> 3 track coredump file from random crash
[15:36] <willcooke>   on going
[15:36] <willcooke> 3 prepare some material for VISA
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:37] <willcooke> probably in bed, so timeout in 60 seconds
[15:38] <willcooke> happyaron, please let me have your update via email
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:38] <Laney> • Accidentally deleted my software-center porting, re-did it and (maybe) finished it this time. MPed.
[15:38] <Laney> • Worked some more on using the gpg upstream pinentry, uploaded that.
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Come up with a scheme to let flavours choose their own pinentry, not very good until https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791441 is fixed
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Merged new gnupg2, currently resting in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gpg
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Tracked down a gcr bug & submitted patch for broken prompt with gnupg 2.0.28, also resting there until the patch is reviewed
[15:38] <Laney> • By request of doko, merge pcre3, rebuild with gcc5, turns out to require a transition - submit both our regular (existing) delta and an update about the gcc5 situation to Debian
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ File an sbuild bug with patch about it being hard to test build toolchain components from extra repositories like PPAs, waiting for feedback
[15:38] <Laney> • Update: gtk+3.0 3.16.5 in ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-004 (when is this going to be uploaded to wily?)
[15:38] <Laney> • Fix (NMU) autoconf-archive file conflict breakage in wily/unstable
[15:38] <Laney> • Get briefed about new autopkgtest infrastructure so that I can do some basic maintenance while pitti is away next week
[15:39] <Laney> • some proposed-migration eyeballing for a few stuck things
[15:39] <Laney> • misc: on hols on Friday
[15:39] <Laney> ⚰
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:39] <Laney> that's a coffin btw
[15:39] <larsu> I worked some more on the dialog button spacing patch (in master now)
[15:40] <Laney> yay
[15:40] <Laney> can it go to branch?
[15:40] <larsu> had some fun with mice and touchpads in u-s-d (making hw killswitch for touchpads work for oem)
[15:40] <larsu> Laney: already proposed
[15:40] <larsu> Laney: oh. no.
[15:41] <larsu> some more discussion and work on the big icon issue - but there are a lot of issues in gtk's handling of those
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, "soon, it's being tested today" says #ubuntu-mir about that landing 004
[15:41] <Laney> I noticed that (probably) in eog's fullscreen toolbar too
[15:41] <larsu> ya...
[15:41] <larsu> maybe I should work around this in our icon theme for now
[15:41] <Laney> also we should hide the headerbar there
[15:42] <Laney> seb128: thx for poking
[15:42] <larsu> since I probably won't be having a fix before I go on holiday
[15:42] <larsu> NEXT WEEK
[15:42] <larsu> also some theming work that I finally plan on landing this week (sorry for the delays)
[15:42] <Laney> like prerender the icons?
[15:42] <seb128> yes, please land the theme thing before holidays ;-)
[15:42] <larsu> Laney: no, just fiddling with the directory sizes a bit
[15:43] <Laney> oh ok
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[15:43] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:43] <larsu> seb128: ya... as usual, changing things breaks unexpected things :/
[15:43]  * larsu hates css
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:44] <qengho> - chromium/ozone/mir work.
[15:44] <qengho> - work on an upcoming problem with codecs. Upstream ripped out dymanic loading to fix Windows problems. Contributor saikrishna is working on it. We may have a solution.
[15:45] <seb128> just curious but what's the status of chromium on mir?
[15:45] <seb128> getting close from working?
[15:45] <qengho> And some more bug reports from people who want GPU functions on again.
[15:46] <qengho> seb128: it's pretty close, I think.
[15:46] <willcooke> \m/
[15:46] <qengho> About GPU, I think we should re-enable. We will get bug reports from hangs to errors.u.c .
[15:47] <qengho> But, we should quash those with bug patterns.
[15:47] <qengho> That's all for me.
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> • ubuntu-personal snappy image
[15:48] <seb128> ∘ hit snappy upgrade issues with the new kernel/grub, reported to snappy team with debug info
[15:48] <seb128> ∘ other upgrade issues due to the new kernel logic and /boot space
[15:48] <seb128> ∘ joined some discussions about legacy applications support
[15:48] <seb128> • tested/validated some touch ota candidate updates
[15:48] <seb128> • investigated/discussed ota-update langpack issues
[15:48] <seb128> • NEW reviewed "buteo" stack for touch
[15:48] <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings
[15:48] <seb128> ∘ some reviews (fixes for non scrollable panels)
[15:48] <seb128> ∘ submitted fix for reading the correct custom-id number from system-image
[15:48] <seb128> • some bugs triage
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[15:48] <willcooke> very busy week :)
[15:48] <willcooke> thank you seb128
[15:48] <seb128> as always :-)
[15:48] <seb128> yw!
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - libreoffice 5.0 rc3
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - some more work on backporting to trusty and precise (unfortunately this eats still way too much time)
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - registered at the conference and submitted conference papers
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - some more conference orga wrt to sponsoring etc.
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - coordinated/wrote job description for upcoming new hire at TDF
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - some initial look at click packaging
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - wrote blog post on Doc Viewer/LibreOfficeKit
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - bug triage
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> - administrative/leadership tidbits
[15:49] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:51] <willcooke> hrm, he was here earlier
[15:51] <willcooke> tkamppeter, please let me have your updates by email, or at the end of the meeting
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:52] <willcooke>  After further digging, found that the gnome screen saver issue I reported on last week is due to a crash in GLib, filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752202 with a traceback from gnome-screensaver-dialog.
[15:52] <willcooke> * Continued work on modularizing the accessibility profile code in casper.
[15:52] <willcooke> * More upstream Speech DIspatcher discussion and work.
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:52] <willcooke> - Fixied XMir bugs.
[15:52] <willcooke> - Tidied XMir patch in preparation for proposal upstream.
[15:52] <willcooke> - Updated X.Org packages to latest upstream versions, synced with Debian, added patch headers.
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:53] <willcooke> Anyone got anything?
[15:53] <Laney> robert_ancell is doing X stuff now?
[15:53] <willcooke> He's supporting tjaalton
[15:53] <Laney> (beyond xmir)
[15:54] <Laney> nice
[15:54] <seb128> didn't you notice today that he merged/updated some of that? ;-)
[15:54] <willcooke> :)
[15:54] <seb128> oh, you don't read -changes do you?
[15:55] <seb128> Laney, desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752202 might be for one of you
[15:55] <willcooke> he sent me an email basically saying "just because my name is on the commit doesn't mean it's mine" :)
[15:55] <seb128> that states that downgrading glib fixes it
[15:55] <willcooke> hit up TheMuso for more info.
[15:55] <tkamppeter> hi
[15:55] <willcooke> hey tkamppeter
[15:56] <tkamppeter> - More testing on ippusbxd to find out why it does not print on my printer but does all othger IPP transactions.
[15:56] <tkamppeter> - Uploaded new cups-filters and system-config-printers packages with the fixes on using ippusbxd with systemd.
[15:56] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:56] <Laney> no I don't read it
[15:56] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:57] <Laney> right, ttyl, got to go to a meeting (skipped lunch today)
[15:57]  * Laney waves
[15:57] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:57] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:57] <larsu> Laney: have ham!
[15:58] <seb128> thanks!
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, you baked bread didn't work out?
[15:58] <seb128> your*
[15:58] <seb128> oh, you probably mean you didn't take a lunch break
[15:58] <seb128> but you had something to eat still :-)
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[16:23] <willcooke> qengho, a thought crosses my mind... I wonder if enabling GPU "stuff" in Cr will break compatibility with Xmir?
[16:23] <willcooke> and/or Mir
[16:23] <willcooke> no biggy, we can turn if off for those use cases
[16:23] <willcooke> just curious if it'll work
[16:23] <willcooke> we shall see L()
[16:23] <willcooke> :)
[16:25] <qengho> willcooke: hrm, well, it's hard to say because it's a hardware-related crash, but unity and other compositors are already using the GPU in their own ways. I don't think Mir is very different in that regard.
[17:58] <willcooke> g'night all
[22:19] <jdstrand> fyi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/FirefoxAndAdobeFlashNPAPI