[00:17] <Dragonkeeper> hey guys
[00:20] <Dragonkeeper> possible to change themes ? or add support to do so ? only reason i ask is because id like dark/white themes for different times of the day
[00:21] <Elleo> popey: nope, keyboard hasn't changed recently other than some autopilot changes a couple of weeks back
[00:21] <Elleo> popey: have you tried wiping the screen? I've found the arale can sometimes give bad touch events if there's a bit of grease or something on the screen
[00:21] <tathhu> Dragonkeeper: indeed, dark(er) theme would be cool..
[00:22] <Dragonkeeper> white during day and black at night would be nice
[00:22] <Dragonkeeper> black and orange would be better :')
[00:23] <Elleo> jgdx: you just need a newer version of ubuntu-keyboard than ships in standard (non-overlay) vivid
[06:34] <mah454> Hello
[06:34] <mah454> I need a document for install ubuntu touch on Meizu MX4 .
[06:36] <Knightwork> morning everyone
[06:52] <Knightwork> hi everyone
[06:52] <Knightwork> do any of you know if there is a good podcast client for Ubuntu Phone ?
[06:53] <svij> Knightwork: Podbird
[06:56] <Knightwork> svij: does it support subscribing and downloading ?
[07:02] <svij> Knightwork: yep
[07:02] <Knightwork> Cool. :) Gonna give it a try later on tonight.
[07:02] <Knightwork> now all I need is a good audio recorder and i'm set :)
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <sturmflut2> dholbach: Morning!
[07:20] <dholbach> hi sturmflut2
[07:23] <Knightwork> anyone know if there is a voice recording app on ubuntu touch ?
[07:52] <jgdx> Elleo, got it- thanks
[08:17] <popey> Elleo: possible
[08:17] <popey> Elleo: filed bug with video anyway
[08:18] <davmor2> popey: have we got to kick you off irc to make you have a holiday? ;)
[08:19] <sturmflut2> Looks like we have to
[08:22] <popey> pffft
[08:22] <popey> holiday is temporary
[08:22] <popey> irc is forever
[08:24] <davmor2> popey: yes so enjoy the temporary thing while it is there, then come back to the forever thing :)
[08:24] <Tm_T> what is "holiday?"
[08:27] <popey> its the place away from home and work that you connect to irc from
[08:27] <davmor2> popey: irc is work :P
[08:27] <Tm_T> popey: I call that "commute"
[08:27] <davmor2> popey: and you filed bugs that's work too :P
[08:27] <popey> nah
[08:28] <popey> i filed bugs and sat on irc before this job
[08:32] <Tm_T> popey: I thought you just had paid hobby
[08:33] <sturmflut2> I hate OpenGL ES so much
[08:33] <sturmflut2> and SDL
[08:33] <sturmflut2> actually, I've never seen a decent graphics API
[08:34] <davmor2> sturmflut2: I don't believe you, I think you love it really ;)
[08:35] <sturmflut2> davmor2: Ha! Your reverse psychology shenanigans don't work on me!
[08:36] <jgdx> use dom and css transitions.. there, fixed
[08:36] <sturmflut2> jgdx: In plain C?
[08:37] <sturmflut2> At, the "C" in "CSS" stands for "C"
[08:37] <davmor2> sturmflut2: Look it could be worse, you could be using Windows to develop on those apis ;)
[08:37] <jgdx> sturmflut2, oh, maybe you have to import webkit.
[08:38] <sturmflut2> jgdx: It might be faster to write some kind of C-to-JavaScript compiler
[08:38] <jgdx> actually, I think the C is for Crazy
[08:38] <sturmflut2> Oh wait, people have done that
[08:38] <jgdx> sturmflut2, lol yeah maybe
[08:42] <sturmflut2> "C" actually stands for "Portable Assembler"
[08:52] <jgdx> Portable Assembler Style Sheets?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Pandemonium Day! 😃
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: don't tell sturmflut2 it is Panda-monium day
[09:09] <sturmflut2> davmor2: The panda hype is over, mzanetti released a new game and stole all the spotlight
[09:09] <JamesTait> Crisis averted!
[09:10] <davmor2> sturmflut2: if ever there was a day to hype it up though ;)
[09:20] <mzanetti> sturmflut2, but you're not special there... I frequently do that to myself too
[10:40] <t1mp> tim@C720:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --developer-mode --password 0000 --wipe
[10:40] <t1mp> WARNING --developer-mode and --password are dangerous as they remove security features from your device
[10:40] <t1mp> Get https://system-image.ubuntu.com/channels.json: x509: certificate has expired or is not yet valid
[10:40] <t1mp> what's causing that certificate issue?
[10:51] <sturmflut2> t1mp: Hm, the certificate seems valid
[10:52] <ogra_> transparentl proxy ?
[10:52] <ogra_> -l
[10:57] <t1mp> ogra_, sturmflut2: somehow my latest dist-upgrade completely messed up the clock for my laptop
[10:57] <t1mp> I guess that's causing the cert issue
[10:58] <ogra_> ah, yeah, that would do it
[10:59] <t1mp> hmm.. and I cannot fix the clock :s it all the time goes back to the year 2050
[10:59] <t1mp> and setting the timezone doesn't work
[10:59] <t1mp> yikes
[11:00] <ogra_> sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[11:00] <ogra_> try that
[11:00] <ogra_> (though probably the delta is to big)
[11:01] <t1mp> 5 Jan 20:07:44 ntpdate[3164]: Can't adjust the time of day: Invalid argument
[11:02] <ogra_> well, i guess your best option is the BIOS then
[11:06] <morphis> ogra_: do you know when /data/.last_update should be updated, only when OTA is applied or also on userdata format?
[11:07] <ogra_> morphis, only on OTA
[11:07] <morphis> ogra_: then, recovery is buggy here too
[11:08] <morphis> ogra_: as right now it touches it everytime the system-image-upgrader runs regardless if really updating or not
[11:08] <ogra_> well, the upgrader only gets triggered when an OTA sits in /cache
[11:09] <ogra_> it shouldnt run unconditional
[11:12] <morphis> ogra_: that is not true, it only gets triggered when you reset the device
[11:13] <ogra_> well, it should only run if there is any upgrade to apply
[11:13] <ogra_> else it shoudl no-op
[11:14] <morphis> that is true when the command file passed in as argument doesn't exist
[11:14] <morphis> then it depends on which commands are in that file
[11:15] <ogra_> well, there shouldnt be any commands file usually and a normal "reboot recovery" should always only get you into recovery mode
[11:15] <morphis> right
[11:15] <ogra_> while ... if the file exists, it should run the upgrader and reboot at the end
[11:16] <morphis> but when the user wants to reset his device the system write a command file with "format data" and nothing else
[11:16] <ogra_> the file should only exist when s-i-client did put it in place though
[11:16] <ogra_> ah, indeed
[11:17] <ogra_> but the command file cant exist unconditionally (usually) its either s-i or the reset function
[11:17] <morphis> right
[11:17] <ogra_> the point is that the reset function actually only triggers a reset
[11:17] <morphis> but I doubt that the .last_update file should be touch in that case, right?
[11:17] <ogra_> if there is any code that creates dirs and the like, i doubt it will run
[11:17] <ogra_> yeah
[11:17] <ogra_> that fine should only be touched on actual upgardes
[11:17] <ogra_> *file
[11:18] <ogra_> btw, i added some commentss to your spreadsheet
[11:18] <morphis> ogra_: yeah thanks! saw them
[11:18] <morphis> ogra_: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/11877151/
[11:18] <ogra_> i think we should consider keeping the files that make the device HW identifyable
[11:19] <ogra_> looks good on first glance :)
[11:19] <morphis> yeah added them already
[11:19] <morphis> still testing if that works and we can now easily extend the list as we go
[11:19] <morphis> however the variable might get bigger and bigger over time
[11:19] <morphis> maybe worth to put those into a file later
[11:19] <ogra_> you should delete the tmpdir at the end
[11:19] <morphis> ah right
[11:21] <ogra_> you should also ask the android guys if there is any data that needs to be preserved in the android writable space (IMEI or such) ... i doubt it ... but just to be sure
[11:22] <morphis> yeah good point
[11:57] <sturmflut2> 385 panda lovers served ;) But one bad review :(
[12:00] <davmor2> sturmflut2: get used to it someone will always complain :(
[12:02] <sturmflut2> davmor2: Yeah, people are the worst
[12:02] <sturmflut2> But I got SDL2 and OpenGL ES 2.0 working in the meantime!
[12:02] <sturmflut2> On both the desktop and the phone
[12:04] <davmor2> sturmflut2:
[12:04] <sturmflut2> Now that was cryptic
[12:04] <davmor2> that was interesting how did that happen
[12:05] <davmor2> ah hit enter instead of delete sorry :)
[12:09] <sturmflut2> Ah, popey finally went to have a beer at the pool ;) https://plus.google.com/+AlanPope/posts/T12JqiJK4qm
[12:38] <sturmflut2> davmor2: Any chances that the emulator is fixed soon? We have an event coming up and a working emulator will be necessary
[12:40] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: ^
[12:40] <FrankZappa> Hi there
[12:41] <davmor2> sturmflut2: I only break things not really the person to ask if they will be fixed ;)
[12:43] <FrankZappa> could someone point me to a link explaining how to fully backup my ubuntu phone ()
[12:43] <FrankZappa> aquaris 4.5
[12:47] <davmor2> FrankZappa: there is no official backup process
[12:48] <FrankZappa> Ok, so i can stop making me crazy in searching and start developing my own soluzion ;-}
[12:49] <FrankZappa> see ya
[12:55] <john-mcaleely> sturmflut2, davmor2 I'll be honest, I don't have anyone assigned to that. the list above it is long
[12:57] <sturmflut2> john-mcaleely: Okay, then we at least have to find out what's the most recent image that still works, hopefully it's up topar with at least OTA-4
[12:58] <sturmflut2> up to par
[12:58] <davmor2> sturmflut2: rtm last image
[12:58] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, sorry I got disconnected, whats the issue with the emulator?
[12:58] <john-mcaleely> yeah, sorry
[12:58] <davmor2> pmcgowan: it doesn't boot
[12:59] <pmcgowan> davmor2, since vivid?
[12:59] <pmcgowan> I feel like I missed a memo
[12:59] <pmcgowan> davmor2, got a bug?
[12:59] <sturmflut2> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1467865
[13:00] <davmor2> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1458694
[13:01] <davmor2> pmcgowan: latter one is the actual cause iirc from rsalveti
[13:01] <pmcgowan> yep seems to be some confusion if a fix was made or not
[13:01] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I tried emulator in the testing on friday it was still broken then
[13:01] <pmcgowan> anpok_, any knowledge of that one ^^
[13:05] <anpok_> pmcgowan: hmm
[13:07]  * tathhu f5 on usp's tracking page, rip.
[13:09] <anpok_> i think input-stub being there and not being upgraded is not the cause..
[13:09]  * tathhu usp, usp every time. Too much counter-strike :(
[13:11] <anpok_> pmcgowan: that message means i tried to load the input-stub.so which is a testing utility (lacking a mirclient dependency) as a graphics module, after that it loads the right graphics module and continues..
[13:11] <anpok_> .. at least afairc
[13:13] <pmcgowan> anpok_, can you comment in the bug and recommend next steps
[13:13] <davmor2> sturmflut2: you can of course use snappy desktop which would at least give a phone-esque demo ability maybe?
[13:22] <jgdx> tathhu, silenced or not silenced
[13:24] <tathhu> jgdx: silenced ofc
[13:24] <tathhu> jgdx: or p2000 :P
[13:28] <jgdx> :)
[13:31] <jgdx> tathhu, I used to play without because I liked the 1.6 sound
[13:41] <seb128> jgdx, do you know if bug #1464466 has to do with settings or not?
[13:42] <jgdx> seb128, if the setting is correct for sms it has nothing to do with Settings.
[13:43] <jgdx> unless there's a need for an MMS setting
[13:46] <tathhu> jgdx: usp too op w/o helmet :(
[13:47] <seb128> jgdx, k, so the current setting doesn't command mms? maybe it should?
[13:49] <jgdx> seb128, maybe? This isn't even in the spec. Hidden in a gdoc somewhere :| I'll add ubuntu-ux to the bug.
[13:49] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[13:50] <abeato> Laney, it looks like arm builds are enabled for some packages in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww, but it is failing at it
[13:51] <tathhu> (telegram under ddos again? :()
[13:51] <Laney> abeato: perhaps it fails in the virtualised builders
[13:52] <Laney> do you need to try it now?
[13:52] <abeato> Laney, I'd like too as I already have the patch compiling for x86
[13:52] <Laney> abeato: ok, do you have access to the ppa:canonical-arm-dev/ppa?
[13:53]  * abeato checking
[13:53] <Laney> I can try to build it there
[13:54] <abeato> Laney, no I don't think I have access there
[13:54]  * Laney summons ogra_
[13:55] <abeato> Laney, ah, I'm actually a member
[13:55] <abeato> I guess I can dput there then
[13:56] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-arm-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7651608
[13:56] <Laney> probably want that to finish first
[13:56] <Laney> and base too?
[13:56] <ogra_> yeah, abeato is member
[13:56] <Laney> k
[13:56] <ogra_> nothing to do for me
[13:56] <Laney> sorry for the false summoning
[13:56] <Laney> but nice to see you
[13:56] <ogra_> lol
[13:56] <ogra_> all good :)
[13:57] <abeato> haha
[13:57] <abeato> Laney, yeah base too
[14:04] <matv1> Telegram now down completely. Who is doing this again?
[14:08] <sturmflut2> matv1: Shouldn't it just affect Asia and the Pacific?
[14:10] <matv1> sturmflut2 thats what I was hearing but my service has been hit and miss for last few days. And as of this afternoon none at all
[14:10] <tathhu> Not working in Finalnd :(
[14:11] <matv1> you're still okay sturmflut2 ?
[14:11] <balloons> ping zyga
[14:12] <sturmflut2> matv1: I've been using Telegram Web across Europe for the last two weeks, sometimes it takes a bit to send a message or very seldomly disconnects for a couple of minutes, but overall it still works great
[14:59] <mariogrip> telegram is very slow today...
[14:59] <mariogrip> in norway
[15:00] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Thanks :D
[15:01] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[15:01] <ahoneybun> I see you got sound working fully
[15:05] <jgdx> Elleo, nicely done :)
[15:08] <Elleo> jgdx: thanks, I'm not entirely sure what I've done well, but I'll accept the praise anyway ;)
[15:08] <Elleo> oh, the keyboard bug thing?
[15:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, i've confirmed the failure in changing SIM names isn't related to libqofono, it's bug 1474444
[15:53] <kenvandine> it's actually not raising the OSK
[15:59] <Elleo> kenvandine, jgdx: I seem to remember the being an autopilot bug mentioned the other week, where autopilot's fake keyboard stuff causes unity to think there's a physical keyboard (and so the OSK gets supressed)
[15:59] <Elleo> that might be related
[16:00] <kenvandine> Elleo, sounds probable
[16:00] <kenvandine> rhuddie, ^^
[16:00] <Elleo> I think I saw it mentioned in a mailinglist post, just trying to find it
[16:01] <Elleo> ah, no maybe that was about mouse pointers
[16:01] <Elleo> at least that's the only post I can see that's related
[16:03] <Elleo> kenvandine, jgdx, rhuddie: maybe try checking 'gsettings get com.canonical.keyboard.maliit stay-hidden', if that's set to true it means the keyboard is being told to stay hidden because unity thinks there's a physical keyboard attached
[16:03] <Elleo> (probably need to check whilst the autopilot tests are running)
[16:03] <rhuddie> Elleo, interesting, I'll check
[16:06] <rhuddie> Elleo, kenvandine, jgdx, yes. when the test is running, that returns true. when the test is finished it returns false.
[16:06] <kenvandine> so what's setting that?
[16:08] <Elleo> unity will be setting it I think
[16:08] <Elleo> and it does it based on a check for physical keyboards
[16:08] <kenvandine> so the fake keyboard triggers it
[16:08] <Elleo> and presumably something autopilot does makes it think there's a physical keyboard
[16:08] <Elleo> yeah
[16:11] <rhuddie> Elleo, kenvandine, this sounds similar to the problem where unity launched in windowed mode because autopilot exposed a fake mouse
[16:12] <kenvandine> yup
[16:16] <Elleo> yeah
[16:20] <kenvandine> hmmm
[16:20] <kenvandine> the restart dialog isn't showing up when pressing the power button on wily
[16:22] <kenvandine> anyone on wily willing to try to reproduce?
[16:24] <jgdx> Elleo, I was commending you on the mallit crash troubleshooting :)
[16:25] <Elleo> jgdx: ah, right; thanks :)
[17:36] <Isotop7> anyone else got problems with not launching keyboard after a while of usage on arale? it happened to me several times without having a pattern...only reboot helps...
[19:46] <TonyBoston> hi
[20:03] <TonyBoston> what are you guys using as email app?
[20:04] <dobey> there is Dekko in the store
[20:05] <dobey> or you can use a webapp for verious webmail services
[20:05] <tathhu> dekko seemed to load forever with fastmail :(
[20:06] <tathhu> gotta try again when i get my e5 :P
[20:06] <TonyBoston> thing is, I have an exchange account
[20:07] <dobey> oh
[20:08] <TonyBoston> so I'd like to have calendars, contacts, notes and mail
[20:09] <dobey> i don't think there are any apps that can do exchange
[20:09] <TonyBoston> too bad
[20:11] <praxy> maybe something like Mailpile could work
[20:11] <praxy> haven't tried it yet
[20:11] <dobey> well, mailpile would only do mail even if it supported exchange, i guess
[20:12] <praxy> sorry didn't mean specifically for exchange :)
[20:14] <dobey> well, TonyBoston is specifically asking about exchange :)
[20:14] <TonyBoston> could be something that is able to use ews
[20:14] <TonyBoston> exchange web access
[20:24] <praxy> might be missing something, but how does the copy/paste work from the browser?
[20:24] <praxy> e.g. how to copy the password here https://duckduckgo.com/?q=password+strong+40
[20:30] <anpok_> praxy: long press over the password string and with some luck the copy rectangle hits just the password string..
[20:30] <anpok_> then just select copy and go to the destination app...
[20:31] <anpok_> hmm when I tried it here it also copied " password 20 characters - high strength"
[20:32] <praxy> anpok_: thanks got it to work
[20:33] <praxy> it's weird it didn't align properly over the text, but it still copied fine
[21:17] <praxy> Seems like my E5 HD crashed
[21:17] <praxy> now stuck on bq logo
[21:17] <praxy> factory reset I guess ?