=== boiko_ is now known as boiko [00:17] hey guys [00:20] possible to change themes ? or add support to do so ? only reason i ask is because id like dark/white themes for different times of the day [00:21] popey: nope, keyboard hasn't changed recently other than some autopilot changes a couple of weeks back [00:21] popey: have you tried wiping the screen? I've found the arale can sometimes give bad touch events if there's a bit of grease or something on the screen [00:21] Dragonkeeper: indeed, dark(er) theme would be cool.. [00:22] white during day and black at night would be nice [00:22] black and orange would be better :') [00:23] jgdx: you just need a newer version of ubuntu-keyboard than ships in standard (non-overlay) vivid === _salem is now known as salem_ === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze === Guest84562 is now known as thelionroars === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad === salem_ is now known as _salem === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === ara is now known as Guest67693 [06:34] Hello [06:34] I need a document for install ubuntu touch on Meizu MX4 . [06:36] morning everyone [06:52] hi everyone [06:52] do any of you know if there is a good podcast client for Ubuntu Phone ? [06:53] Knightwork: Podbird [06:56] svij: does it support subscribing and downloading ? [07:02] Knightwork: yep [07:02] Cool. :) Gonna give it a try later on tonight. [07:02] now all I need is a good audio recorder and i'm set :) [07:12] good morning [07:18] dholbach: Morning! [07:20] hi sturmflut2 [07:23] anyone know if there is a voice recording app on ubuntu touch ? [07:52] Elleo, got it- thanks === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:17] Elleo: possible [08:17] Elleo: filed bug with video anyway [08:18] popey: have we got to kick you off irc to make you have a holiday? ;) [08:19] Looks like we have to [08:22] pffft [08:22] holiday is temporary [08:22] irc is forever [08:24] popey: yes so enjoy the temporary thing while it is there, then come back to the forever thing :) [08:24] what is "holiday?" [08:27] its the place away from home and work that you connect to irc from [08:27] popey: irc is work :P [08:27] popey: I call that "commute" [08:27] popey: and you filed bugs that's work too :P [08:27] nah [08:28] i filed bugs and sat on irc before this job [08:32] popey: I thought you just had paid hobby [08:33] I hate OpenGL ES so much [08:33] and SDL [08:33] actually, I've never seen a decent graphics API [08:34] sturmflut2: I don't believe you, I think you love it really ;) [08:35] davmor2: Ha! Your reverse psychology shenanigans don't work on me! [08:36] use dom and css transitions.. there, fixed [08:36] jgdx: In plain C? [08:37] At, the "C" in "CSS" stands for "C" [08:37] sturmflut2: Look it could be worse, you could be using Windows to develop on those apis ;) [08:37] sturmflut2, oh, maybe you have to import webkit. [08:38] jgdx: It might be faster to write some kind of C-to-JavaScript compiler [08:38] actually, I think the C is for Crazy [08:38] Oh wait, people have done that [08:38] sturmflut2, lol yeah maybe [08:42] "C" actually stands for "Portable Assembler" === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [08:52] Portable Assembler Style Sheets? [09:07] Good morning all; happy Pandemonium Day! 😃 [09:08] JamesTait: don't tell sturmflut2 it is Panda-monium day [09:09] davmor2: The panda hype is over, mzanetti released a new game and stole all the spotlight [09:09] Crisis averted! [09:10] sturmflut2: if ever there was a day to hype it up though ;) [09:20] sturmflut2, but you're not special there... I frequently do that to myself too === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze [10:40] tim@C720:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --developer-mode --password 0000 --wipe [10:40] WARNING --developer-mode and --password are dangerous as they remove security features from your device [10:40] Get https://system-image.ubuntu.com/channels.json: x509: certificate has expired or is not yet valid [10:40] what's causing that certificate issue? [10:51] t1mp: Hm, the certificate seems valid [10:52] transparentl proxy ? [10:52] -l [10:57] ogra_, sturmflut2: somehow my latest dist-upgrade completely messed up the clock for my laptop [10:57] I guess that's causing the cert issue [10:58] ah, yeah, that would do it [10:59] hmm.. and I cannot fix the clock :s it all the time goes back to the year 2050 [10:59] and setting the timezone doesn't work [10:59] yikes [11:00] sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com [11:00] try that [11:00] (though probably the delta is to big) [11:01] 5 Jan 20:07:44 ntpdate[3164]: Can't adjust the time of day: Invalid argument [11:02] well, i guess your best option is the BIOS then [11:06] ogra_: do you know when /data/.last_update should be updated, only when OTA is applied or also on userdata format? [11:07] morphis, only on OTA [11:07] ogra_: then, recovery is buggy here too [11:08] ogra_: as right now it touches it everytime the system-image-upgrader runs regardless if really updating or not [11:08] well, the upgrader only gets triggered when an OTA sits in /cache [11:09] it shouldnt run unconditional === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away [11:12] ogra_: that is not true, it only gets triggered when you reset the device [11:13] well, it should only run if there is any upgrade to apply [11:13] else it shoudl no-op [11:14] that is true when the command file passed in as argument doesn't exist [11:14] then it depends on which commands are in that file [11:15] well, there shouldnt be any commands file usually and a normal "reboot recovery" should always only get you into recovery mode [11:15] right [11:15] while ... if the file exists, it should run the upgrader and reboot at the end [11:16] but when the user wants to reset his device the system write a command file with "format data" and nothing else [11:16] the file should only exist when s-i-client did put it in place though [11:16] ah, indeed [11:17] but the command file cant exist unconditionally (usually) its either s-i or the reset function [11:17] right [11:17] the point is that the reset function actually only triggers a reset [11:17] but I doubt that the .last_update file should be touch in that case, right? [11:17] if there is any code that creates dirs and the like, i doubt it will run [11:17] yeah [11:17] that fine should only be touched on actual upgardes [11:17] *file [11:18] btw, i added some commentss to your spreadsheet [11:18] ogra_: yeah thanks! saw them [11:18] ogra_: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/11877151/ [11:18] i think we should consider keeping the files that make the device HW identifyable [11:19] looks good on first glance :) [11:19] yeah added them already [11:19] still testing if that works and we can now easily extend the list as we go [11:19] however the variable might get bigger and bigger over time [11:19] maybe worth to put those into a file later [11:19] you should delete the tmpdir at the end [11:19] ah right [11:21] you should also ask the android guys if there is any data that needs to be preserved in the android writable space (IMEI or such) ... i doubt it ... but just to be sure [11:22] yeah good point === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:57] 385 panda lovers served ;) But one bad review :( [12:00] sturmflut2: get used to it someone will always complain :( [12:02] davmor2: Yeah, people are the worst [12:02] But I got SDL2 and OpenGL ES 2.0 working in the meantime! [12:02] On both the desktop and the phone [12:04] sturmflut2: [12:04] Now that was cryptic [12:04] that was interesting how did that happen [12:05] ah hit enter instead of delete sorry :) [12:09] Ah, popey finally went to have a beer at the pool ;) https://plus.google.com/+AlanPope/posts/T12JqiJK4qm === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson [12:38] davmor2: Any chances that the emulator is fixed soon? We have an event coming up and a working emulator will be necessary [12:40] john-mcaleely: ^ [12:40] Hi there [12:41] sturmflut2: I only break things not really the person to ask if they will be fixed ;) [12:43] could someone point me to a link explaining how to fully backup my ubuntu phone () [12:43] aquaris 4.5 [12:47] FrankZappa: there is no official backup process [12:48] Ok, so i can stop making me crazy in searching and start developing my own soluzion ;-} [12:49] see ya === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:55] sturmflut2, davmor2 I'll be honest, I don't have anyone assigned to that. the list above it is long [12:57] john-mcaleely: Okay, then we at least have to find out what's the most recent image that still works, hopefully it's up topar with at least OTA-4 [12:58] up to par [12:58] sturmflut2: rtm last image [12:58] john-mcaleely, sorry I got disconnected, whats the issue with the emulator? [12:58] yeah, sorry [12:58] pmcgowan: it doesn't boot [12:59] davmor2, since vivid? [12:59] I feel like I missed a memo [12:59] davmor2, got a bug? [12:59] pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1467865 [12:59] Ubuntu bug 1467865 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Emulator is not working image 157+" [High,Confirmed] [13:00] pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1458694 [13:00] Ubuntu bug 1458689 in mir (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1458694 [vivid-overlay] Servers can't start - input-stub.so fails to load on i386" [Critical,Confirmed] [13:01] pmcgowan: latter one is the actual cause iirc from rsalveti [13:01] yep seems to be some confusion if a fix was made or not [13:01] pmcgowan: I tried emulator in the testing on friday it was still broken then [13:01] anpok_, any knowledge of that one ^^ === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:05] pmcgowan: hmm [13:07] * tathhu f5 on usp's tracking page, rip. [13:09] i think input-stub being there and not being upgraded is not the cause.. [13:09] * tathhu usp, usp every time. Too much counter-strike :( [13:11] pmcgowan: that message means i tried to load the input-stub.so which is a testing utility (lacking a mirclient dependency) as a graphics module, after that it loads the right graphics module and continues.. [13:11] .. at least afairc [13:13] anpok_, can you comment in the bug and recommend next steps [13:13] sturmflut2: you can of course use snappy desktop which would at least give a phone-esque demo ability maybe? [13:22] tathhu, silenced or not silenced [13:24] jgdx: silenced ofc [13:24] jgdx: or p2000 :P [13:28] :) [13:31] tathhu, I used to play without because I liked the 1.6 sound [13:41] jgdx, do you know if bug #1464466 has to do with settings or not? [13:41] bug 1464466 in nuntium (Ubuntu) "messaging-app SIM preference ignored for MMS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464466 [13:42] seb128, if the setting is correct for sms it has nothing to do with Settings. [13:43] unless there's a need for an MMS setting [13:46] jgdx: usp too op w/o helmet :( [13:47] jgdx, k, so the current setting doesn't command mms? maybe it should? [13:49] seb128, maybe? This isn't even in the spec. Hidden in a gdoc somewhere :| I'll add ubuntu-ux to the bug. [13:49] jgdx, thanks [13:50] Laney, it looks like arm builds are enabled for some packages in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww, but it is failing at it [13:51] (telegram under ddos again? :() [13:51] abeato: perhaps it fails in the virtualised builders [13:52] do you need to try it now? [13:52] Laney, I'd like too as I already have the patch compiling for x86 [13:52] abeato: ok, do you have access to the ppa:canonical-arm-dev/ppa? [13:53] * abeato checking [13:53] I can try to build it there [13:54] Laney, no I don't think I have access there [13:54] * Laney summons ogra_ [13:55] Laney, ah, I'm actually a member [13:55] I guess I can dput there then [13:56] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-arm-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7651608 [13:56] probably want that to finish first [13:56] and base too? [13:56] yeah, abeato is member [13:56] k [13:56] nothing to do for me [13:56] sorry for the false summoning [13:56] but nice to see you [13:56] lol [13:56] all good :) [13:57] haha [13:57] Laney, yeah base too [14:04] Telegram now down completely. Who is doing this again? [14:08] matv1: Shouldn't it just affect Asia and the Pacific? [14:10] sturmflut2 thats what I was hearing but my service has been hit and miss for last few days. And as of this afternoon none at all [14:10] Not working in Finalnd :( [14:11] you're still okay sturmflut2 ? [14:11] ping zyga [14:12] matv1: I've been using Telegram Web across Europe for the last two weeks, sometimes it takes a bit to send a message or very seldomly disconnects for a couple of minutes, but overall it still works great [14:59] telegram is very slow today... [14:59] in norway [15:00] ahoneybun: Thanks :D [15:01] yep :) [15:01] I see you got sound working fully === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:05] Elleo, nicely done :) [15:08] jgdx: thanks, I'm not entirely sure what I've done well, but I'll accept the praise anyway ;) [15:08] oh, the keyboard bug thing? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:53] jgdx, i've confirmed the failure in changing SIM names isn't related to libqofono, it's bug 1474444 [15:53] bug 1474444 in ubuntu-keyboard "OSK does not appear during autopilot tests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474444 [15:53] it's actually not raising the OSK [15:59] kenvandine, jgdx: I seem to remember the being an autopilot bug mentioned the other week, where autopilot's fake keyboard stuff causes unity to think there's a physical keyboard (and so the OSK gets supressed) [15:59] that might be related [16:00] Elleo, sounds probable [16:00] rhuddie, ^^ [16:00] I think I saw it mentioned in a mailinglist post, just trying to find it [16:01] ah, no maybe that was about mouse pointers [16:01] at least that's the only post I can see that's related === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [16:03] kenvandine, jgdx, rhuddie: maybe try checking 'gsettings get com.canonical.keyboard.maliit stay-hidden', if that's set to true it means the keyboard is being told to stay hidden because unity thinks there's a physical keyboard attached [16:03] (probably need to check whilst the autopilot tests are running) [16:03] Elleo, interesting, I'll check [16:06] Elleo, kenvandine, jgdx, yes. when the test is running, that returns true. when the test is finished it returns false. [16:06] so what's setting that? [16:08] unity will be setting it I think [16:08] and it does it based on a check for physical keyboards [16:08] so the fake keyboard triggers it [16:08] and presumably something autopilot does makes it think there's a physical keyboard [16:08] yeah [16:11] Elleo, kenvandine, this sounds similar to the problem where unity launched in windowed mode because autopilot exposed a fake mouse [16:12] yup [16:16] yeah [16:20] hmmm [16:20] the restart dialog isn't showing up when pressing the power button on wily [16:22] anyone on wily willing to try to reproduce? [16:24] Elleo, I was commending you on the mallit crash troubleshooting :) [16:25] jgdx: ah, right; thanks :) [17:36] anyone else got problems with not launching keyboard after a while of usage on arale? it happened to me several times without having a pattern...only reboot helps... === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === felipealmeida_ is now known as felipealmeida === tizbac_ is now known as tizbac === rpadovani_ is now known as rpadovani === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader [19:46] hi [20:03] what are you guys using as email app? [20:04] there is Dekko in the store [20:05] or you can use a webapp for verious webmail services [20:05] dekko seemed to load forever with fastmail :( [20:06] gotta try again when i get my e5 :P [20:06] thing is, I have an exchange account [20:07] oh [20:08] so I'd like to have calendars, contacts, notes and mail [20:09] i don't think there are any apps that can do exchange [20:09] too bad [20:11] maybe something like Mailpile could work [20:11] haven't tried it yet [20:11] well, mailpile would only do mail even if it supported exchange, i guess [20:12] sorry didn't mean specifically for exchange :) [20:14] well, TonyBoston is specifically asking about exchange :) [20:14] could be something that is able to use ews [20:14] exchange web access === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader [20:24] might be missing something, but how does the copy/paste work from the browser? [20:24] e.g. how to copy the password here https://duckduckgo.com/?q=password+strong+40 [20:30] praxy: long press over the password string and with some luck the copy rectangle hits just the password string.. [20:30] then just select copy and go to the destination app... [20:31] hmm when I tried it here it also copied " password 20 characters - high strength" [20:32] anpok_: thanks got it to work [20:33] it's weird it didn't align properly over the text, but it still copied fine === salem_ is now known as _salem === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [21:17] Seems like my E5 HD crashed [21:17] now stuck on bq logo [21:17] factory reset I guess ? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === howefield_afk is now known as howefield === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze