[06:32] <ochosi> knome: any plans on scheduling the next meetin?
[06:33] <Unit193> Nah, we don't need one.
[06:46] <ochosi> Unit193: you mean in general, ever again? :)
[06:47] <Unit193> Yarp.
[06:58] <sorinb__> hello ochosi , hello everyone :)
[06:59] <ochosi> hi sorinb__ 
[06:59] <sorinb> ochosi, I didn't had the time to try the fix you told me to try
[07:01] <ochosi> not sure what that was about, that must've been ages ago
[07:01] <sorinb> 3 weeks ago
[07:01] <sorinb> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11976
[07:17] <Unit193> Logan: Heh, thanks for noticing that one and filing it, #792352.
[07:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: took another look at gtk3.16 in wily and i still don't see any visual glitches or problems tbh
[07:59] <ochosi> maybe you can check too, but seems like at least for now all is well
[09:54] <knome> ochosi, oh, right...
[09:55] <Unit193> It's a trap.
[09:58] <knome> ochosi, done
[10:01] <slickymasterWork> knome, the time an date link in the Meetings page is wrong
[10:01] <knome> i know
[10:02] <knome> i'm trying to re-edit the page...
[10:02] <slickymasterWork> ok
[10:03] <knome> ISO format string supported is either YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS
[10:03] <knome> YES
[10:03] <knome> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Community+Meething&iso=20150720T16:30:00
[10:03] <knome> how is that incorrect?
[10:03] <knome> oh
[10:03] <knome> the dashes
[10:03] <knome> it's changed..
[10:03] <knome> third edit for the link!
[10:04] <knome> yep..
[10:04] <knome> now it's working
[10:04] <knome> "Meething" ?
[10:05] <Unit193> s/eeth/at/?
[10:05] <SwissBot> Unit193: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> silly knome 
[10:07] <knome> slickymasterWork, that wasn't my edit, it had been like that for ages
[10:07] <knome> at least i think so...
[10:07] <slickymasterWork> ;P
[10:07] <knome> whatever!
[10:28] <knome> ochosi, question... how do i override icons that thunderbird windows use (when they are not the thunderbird icon)
[10:30] <ochosi> knome: you mean the icons inside tb? i think you have to create a tb specific theme
[10:30] <ochosi> iirc firefox and tb used to have their own themes
[10:31] <knome> sorry, should have been more specific
[10:31] <ochosi> but tbh i'm not using it so i wouldn't know
[10:31] <knome> i want to replace icon in the tabwin
[10:31] <knome> that's why i thought it might be something more generic
[10:33] <ochosi> oh tabwin
[10:33] <ochosi> well we ship one for the app
[10:33] <ochosi> i presume stuff like a compose window has its own icon?
[10:33] <ochosi> is that what you're aiming at?
[10:33] <knome> actually no, that's the same
[10:33] <knome> but i use lightbird/lightning calendar
[10:34] <ochosi> oh
[10:34] <knome> *that* has its own icon
[10:34] <knome> and it's blurry
[10:34] <ochosi> i see
[10:34] <knome> so i'm looking to make it crisp
[10:34] <knome> i really didn't know where to start, so...
[10:35] <knome> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Window_icons
[10:35] <knome> meh, only up to 48?
[10:35] <knome> :)
[10:35] <ochosi> in that case you can check whether the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications contains any hints and then check for the installed icon
[10:36] <knome> what if it doesn't have its own desktop file?
[10:37] <knome> this setup does make it "detached" from the tb main window, yeah, but the way to run it is to run "thunderbird -calendar"
[10:38] <ochosi>  have you searched in /usr/share/pixmaps for the icon?
[10:39] <knome> yeah, no fun
[10:40] <knome> the icons that are used are in the extension dir
[10:40] <knome> (see above for the mozilla docs)
[10:41] <knome> i'm just wondering if there could be any way to override it from the system
[10:41] <knome> eg. based on the window name or sth
[10:41] <knome> (isn't that how it usually goes?)
[10:41] <ochosi> nope, not really
[10:41] <ochosi> i mean yeah, gnome shell does something like that
[10:42] <ochosi> i considered implementing something like it for xfwm4 at some point
[10:42] <ochosi> but then again it's a lot of work, it's still a bit error-prone, it's hacky and finally it's only an alt-tab window
[10:42] <knome> mhm
[10:42] <ochosi> ... and it's better to fix applications instead if they're not providing nice icons in good resolutions
[10:43] <knome> yep
[10:43] <knome> well, the problem stands if TB doesn't allow bigger icons
[10:43] <knome> or support really
[10:44] <ochosi> indeed
[10:44] <ochosi> another thing it could to is it could make the icons themeable
[10:45] <ochosi> it's actually up to the app to allow icon themes to override the default icon
[10:45] <knome> mmh, well
[10:45] <ochosi> then you can provide icons in the size you like
[10:45] <ochosi> or need
[10:46] <knome> tb itself isn't the problem
[10:47] <ochosi> right, then lightning has to do that
[10:48] <knome> ...except tb doesn't allow it to provide bigger icons
[10:48] <knome> which is silly
[10:48] <ochosi> so how is tb itself not the problem again..? :)
[10:48] <knome> i mean tb's icon
[10:48] <knome> anyway, i've worked it around by renaming the window icons for the extensions so they are not found
[10:48] <knome> now the tb icon is used as the fallback
[10:50] <knome> what's the default icon size for tabwin again?
[10:50] <ochosi> 64px with greybird
[10:50] <knome> umm
[10:50] <ochosi> with most other themes it's 48px
[10:51] <knome> this is stupid
[10:51] <ochosi> the size of that is up to the gtk theme
[10:51] <knome> but it works
[10:51] <knome> just replace the "48" icon with any size
[10:51] <ochosi> hooray?
[10:51] <knome> and it's resized to 48
[10:51] <knome> well, to any size needed
[10:53] <knome> 48 is large enough to handle a resized icon from any size and not suffer from too many symptoms of the packing
[10:55] <knome> will need to get back to the real icon drawing when back from the summer cottage
[10:56] <knome> thanks for the debugging help anyway :)
[11:00] <ochosi> no problem :)
[11:00] <ochosi> yeah, i also wanna finish up the LO work
[11:00] <ochosi> but i've been afk so much that i have a hard time keeping up with normal emails
[11:00] <ochosi> summertime...
[11:00] <knome> yep
[11:01] <knome> wife's holiday ends on sunday, so...
[11:01] <knome> that'll leave me with more time too
[11:01]  * ochosi feels there's some irony in "wife has less free time - that'll leave me with more"
[11:03] <Unit193> Well...
[11:23] <bluesabre> maybe not irony... but a standard feature of creative spouses?
[11:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: can't find any issues at this time... saw one last night, but couldn't reproduce (scrolledwindow shadows that are just solid grey blobs in greybird)
[11:24] <bluesabre> its probably mostly patched out in ubuntu
[11:26] <ochosi> ok, good
[11:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: http://i.imgur.com/GCATP7X.png
[11:26] <ochosi> seen this before?
[11:27] <ochosi> that's the gtk3 open file dialog issue i mentioned before
[11:27] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:28] <bluesabre> thats probably a dialog with the actions on top... patched back to the bottom in ubuntu
[11:30] <ochosi> well no, that's not what i mean
[11:30] <ochosi> look at the list
[11:30] <ochosi> it's really not ordered like i would want it to be
[11:31] <ochosi> starts with Z and mixes files and folders
[11:36] <bluesabre> but, your sort direction is descending, no?
[11:38] <ochosi> right, it still mixes files and folders though: http://i.imgur.com/vW2boNq.png
[11:38] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:38] <bluesabre> I think I remember seeing something about that
[11:38] <ochosi> which is really really distracting and annoying
[11:38] <bluesabre> gtk feature
[11:38] <bluesabre> :D
[11:38] <ochosi> heh, meh :/
[11:38] <bluesabre> anyway, gotta run, bbabl
[11:38] <ochosi> anyway, gotta take off
[11:38] <ochosi> heh, hf! :)
[11:38] <bluesabre> seeya
[19:35] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-at-colegio-hispano-americano/
[19:35] <pleia2> love the computer lab photos <3
[19:41] <drc> The pictures must have been taken during recess :)
[19:43] <pleia2> there are lots of laws in the US about photos of kids in schools anyway, I wouldn't want to show faces even if the photos existed
[19:44] <drc> sadly true :(
[20:55] <ochosi> pleia2: wow, that is really really nice
[20:55] <ochosi> gotta love that wall :)
[20:55] <pleia2> yeah :)
[20:55] <ochosi> please tell them to send us another pic when the xubuntu mouse is there
[20:55] <pleia2> will do
[20:56] <ochosi> and thanks for doing this series, i really appreciate it!
[20:56] <pleia2> sure, keeps me inspired too
[22:02] <bluesabre> very nice pleia2!
[22:02] <bluesabre> I think this is my favorite in the series so far
[22:26] <Unit193> cyphermox: Any chance to look at 1455688?
[22:29] <cyphermox> Unit193: maybe tomorrow?
[22:29] <Unit193> Awesome!  Thanks!
[22:30] <cyphermox> I'm in a cafe waiting for my wife, we should be leaving to watch Minions shortly ;)
[22:30] <Unit193> Coffee?  I just made french press.  Have fun with the movie, I hope it is good.
[22:30] <cyphermox> aye.
[22:31] <cyphermox> I'm not promising I'll get to it tomorrow, but I'll try to do that crazy merge, or at least fix plymouth to build with --fail-missing
[22:31] <Unit193> Sure, that sounds good to me.
[22:32] <Unit193> Also looked into plymouth some last night, and noticed the different theming dirs, meaning plymouth-theme-solar and other Debian themes don't appear to be found.  Oh well.
[22:32] <Unit193> (Not high on my priority list)
[22:37] <Unit193> Oh heh, just lines, joy and spacefun.  Nevermind. :D
[22:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke
[22:44] <Unit193> A few more if you would.
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: hey
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: dude
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: hi
[22:47] <bluesabre> :)
[22:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: acceptable?
[22:47] <Unit193> Yes.