| czajkowski | Greetings from sunny Dublin | 07:50 |
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| czajkowski | aloha | 07:50 |
| tdr112 | hey czajkowski | 07:50 |
| czajkowski | it's soo sunny! | 07:51 |
| czajkowski | :D | 07:51 |
| slashbel | good morning! | 07:51 |
| slashbel | supermacs for breakfast? | 07:51 |
| czajkowski | nope | 07:58 |
| czajkowski | had breakie on the flight over :D | 07:58 |
| czajkowski | landed in hotel and working :) | 07:58 |
| ebel | hello! | 08:08 |
| czajkowski | ebel: howdy doody | 08:14 |
| ebel | yo yo | 08:18 |
| ebel | Glad to be back in Dub? | 08:18 |
| czajkowski | well frm my hotel it looks fab :p | 08:28 |
| czajkowski | back to back meetings till 3 | 08:28 |
| czajkowski | and then off to Ryanair HQ and then meet up | 08:28 |
| czajkowski | sleep and 6am flight back to UK | 08:29 |
| slashbel | busy time! | 08:30 |
| czajkowski | just a tad | 08:32 |
| czajkowski | w2hich is good | 08:32 |
| czajkowski | but also could do with some down time also | 08:32 |
| czajkowski | conference season is just a tad manic | 08:32 |
| ebel | business travel, hardly a holiday | 08:34 |
| slashbel | conference season ends soon, doesn't it? | 08:35 |
| slashbel | afterall Europe shuts down in a couple of weeks | 08:35 |
| slashbel | when i was working conferences, July and August were always dead months | 08:36 |
| czajkowski | slashbel: yeah but I look after USA also :) | 08:37 |
| czajkowski | so OSCON this week, then we have an devcon boston, droidcon nyc | 08:37 |
| czajkowski | then in september we kick off our conferences | 08:37 |
| czajkowski | so next april is quiet and that's when I get married :) | 08:37 |
| slashbel | ah yes, the USA - no holidays there ever | 08:37 |
| czajkowski | nope | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | they really frown upon them | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | so they are baffled EMEA shuts down now | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | they get very crnaky wen you say no peoplare taking 2-3 weeks off | 08:38 |
| slashbel | hate to break it to you, but you might have a good bit of organising to do for the wedding too ;) | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | baffles them | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | slashbel: all done | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | ah hello this is me :) | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | all bar my wedding cake to do | 08:38 |
| slashbel | very good | 08:39 |
| ebel | Very well prepared! :) | 08:43 |
| ebel | Heh, one proposal for the global OSM conference next year is in Sept, and it's close to the US May Day / Labour day | 08:43 |
| ebel | and it's traditional to meet family then. | 08:44 |
| ebel | Suppose if that's your only 3 days off per year, you don't want to give it up :P | 08:44 |
| czajkowski | yeah they do watch their limited free days | 08:49 |
| slashbel | and here's us thinking that 30 days annual leave is not enough | 08:53 |
| psyatw | it is really not enough | 08:55 |
| czajkowski | I've unlimited | 08:55 |
| czajkowski | very USA VC way of getting people i the US on board | 08:55 |
| slashbel | with unlimited leave, how many are you allowed to take? | 08:57 |
| czajkowski | unlimited | 08:58 |
| slashbel | you can take 90 days? | 08:58 |
| czajkowski | obviously dont be a pita about it and take it at critical times like end of quarter | 08:58 |
| czajkowski | slashbel: no idea nobody tried to take that much off in one go | 08:58 |
| czajkowski | one guy has just taken 3 weeks off | 08:58 |
| czajkowski | and is taking another 3 in september | 08:59 |
| ebel | I'm very skeptical of "unlimited holidays" seems like "unlimited salary" | 08:59 |
| czajkowski | well indeed | 08:59 |
| czajkowski | if used right it's great | 08:59 |
| slashbel | how many days do you take off? | 08:59 |
| czajkowski | but if you can never take it, it becomes not worth it | 08:59 |
| czajkowski | I'll be taking 3.5 weeks off for wedding and honeymoon next year and no problem | 09:00 |
| ebel | Remember, if you don't take holidays you are assigned then that's a liability for the company's books. | 09:00 |
| czajkowski | and I;ll take 2 this summer and 3 at xmas | 09:00 |
| czajkowski | ebel: not sure companies see it that way | 09:00 |
| czajkowski | and the day old ability to carry forward seems to be long gone | 09:00 |
| ebel | but "unlimited" means that they technically owe you nothing, so if you only take 10 days, then the books are good. | 09:00 |
| slashbel | they cannot take away your legal entitlement | 09:01 |
| czajkowski | did oh indeed | 09:01 |
| czajkowski | so under UK contract lawa I think they ahev to state the min 20 days | 09:01 |
| ebel | I think company's accountants might view it a liability. Legally in Ireland IIRC you had to be paid for them. | 09:01 |
| * ebel would be worried about some VC company full of bros who want to work 60 hour weeks and would pressure people into not taking any holidays | 09:01 | |
| slashbel | i am already pissed off with current place here that it seems the norm to work after 17:00 | 09:02 |
| ebel | still, if it work for you... fair enough | 09:02 |
| czajkowski | aye bit of give and take tbh | 09:04 |
| czajkowski | I do reguarly work till 11 at night on calls with the US | 09:04 |
| czajkowski | so then take days off here and there at a drop of a hat is fine | 09:04 |
| czajkowski | so give and take works both ways | 09:04 |
| czajkowski | during the hot spell recently I just emailed saying taking day off and that was fine | 09:04 |
| czajkowski | no filing in request forms and getting sign off | 09:05 |
| czajkowski | flip side is I;m gone for next 12 days travelling for work so you know | 09:05 |
| czajkowski | have to find something that suits you as well | 09:05 |
| ebel | I'd be afraid of working for a wanker who's being a dick. Which you have no way of knowing before starting. | 09:05 |
| czajkowski | well indeed | 09:05 |
| ebel | and then you'd have no recourse. | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | I prefer working for larger companies | 09:06 |
| * ebel is cynical | 09:06 | |
| czajkowski | so you tend to have less stuff like that | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | but then again sometimes shite just happens | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | :) | 09:06 |
| ebel | true true | 09:06 |
| ebel | suppose, so long as you take care to take enough time off to make up etc. :) | 09:08 |
| slashbel | aye, and i feel that i spent far too much time in my twenties working. i now spend as little time as possible working | 09:08 |
| czajkowski | slashbel: hehe you're priceless | 09:10 |
| czajkowski | ebel: aye, dont get me wrong, there are weeks when I'd love a day off to sleep and releax and even do housework but I'm too busy. Joys of a VC start up and working on a global team as a global role. I'm busy :) | 09:11 |
| czajkowski | but they are a nice bunch | 09:11 |
| ebel | That's good. I totally get that it can be a good trade off for some. | 09:11 |
| ebel | and can be very good or very bad. | 09:11 |
| ebel | I remember seeing a gaming company in Ireland offering "unlimited holidays". Knowing gaming, I knew exactly what that was. | 09:12 |
| czajkowski | I think the trend will continue to increase offering it | 09:12 |
| czajkowski | as it's a big new US perk | 09:12 |
| ebel | USA the land of no legally entitled holidays! | 09:13 |
| ebel | Any funny stories from working for a big US comp? Cultural clashes etc? | 09:16 |
| czajkowski | I find myself now asking for the cheque! | 09:18 |
| czajkowski | to pay the bill | 09:18 |
| czajkowski | I still refuse to write with Z's | 09:18 |
| czajkowski | I'm knackred really does get you some odd looks | 09:19 |
| ebel | hehe, we had a US company send us a USD cheque to pay for something. | 09:21 |
| ebel | Blew my mind when I learned they still use them. | 09:21 |
| tdr112 | cheques are still in use | 09:21 |
| tdr112 | I used them for TOG all the time | 09:22 |
| slashbel | SEPA ftw ☺ | 09:22 |
| ebel | tdr112: for what? | 09:22 |
| tdr112 | paying bills, paying people , | 09:25 |
| tdr112 | cash has no trail, harder to keep records | 09:26 |
| tdr112 | SEPA is the way forward | 09:26 |
| tdr112 | only looking at it for a product for work | 09:27 |
| czajkowski | SEPA ? | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | oh cheques are the bain of my life! | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | forever in the frigging mail! | 09:28 |
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| tdr112 | czajkowski: its a new way(since last year) to move money around the euro zone with very low fees | 09:32 |
| tdr112 | everyone has an iban number and bic | 09:32 |
| slashbel | or very fast, with a higher fee | 09:32 |
| ebel | zero fees, isn't it? | 09:32 |
| tdr112 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area | 09:32 |
| slashbel | we paid our apartment deposit with the fast option, i received an email from our landlord a few hours later thanking us for the payment | 09:33 |
| slashbel | *from AIB account | 09:33 |
| tdr112 | Also its makes it easy to do direct debits, | 09:34 |
| czajkowski | ahhh | 09:34 |
| slashbel | you would think so, but we needed a German bank account to do direct debits here | 09:35 |
| czajkowski | the last time I transfered cash from UK to .Ie I was charged £25 to do so | 09:35 |
| slashbel | we should have been able to use our Irish accounts | 09:35 |
| czajkowski | so now I lodge money onto my Caxton FX card | 09:35 |
| czajkowski | and just withdraw it from ATM in >Ie | 09:35 |
| czajkowski | no charges | 09:35 |
| slashbel | we can still withdraw cash from any ATM in Germany with our AIB cards sometimes cheaper than we can with our German cards | 09:36 |
| slashbel | aye czajkowski, life would be much easier if the UK got with the programme | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | https://www.caxtonfx.com/ | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | I use this a lot for my US travel | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | just text top up and it's there | 09:36 |
| ebel | yeah non-SEPA places can have a flat fee | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | often do it at the cash point if I need to top up and dont have enough dolalrs on me | 09:36 |
| czajkowski | exchange rate right now from Sterling to Euro is very good | 09:37 |
| * slashbel makes note to move remaining savings out of UK | 09:38 | |
| slashbel | now is a good time | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | very much | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | hand y when paying for a wedding | 09:38 |
| slashbel | aye | 09:38 |
| slashbel | you're going to limerick? | 09:38 |
| slashbel | for the wedding | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | today ? No | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | for the wedding yes | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | castleconnell | 09:38 |
| slashbel | home! ☺ | 09:38 |
| czajkowski | yeah had a wee grumble about the HSE over their monday - friday lark | 09:40 |
| czajkowski | so we may end up doing the governement bit in the UK and then ceremony -humanist in .IE | 09:41 |
| ebel | yeah, it's ridiculus. | 09:41 |
| slashbel | yep, the best we could do for ours was 3.30pm on a Friday | 09:41 |
| ebel | Humanists can be solmnizers in IE. So they can do all the legal stuff. Maybe get a registered humanist solmnizer? | 09:41 |
| czajkowski | nope | 09:41 |
| czajkowski | I still need the HSE part | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | so they only work monday - friday | 09:42 |
| ebel | Really? Cause priests are solmnizers, so they can do all the legal stuff there. | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | yup | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | priests are different it seems | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | and that was the whole fuss before election | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | if they didnt do the HSE part any more | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | the HSe would grind to a hault and no weddings would happen due to backlog | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | lemmie find hte article this week | 09:43 |
| ebel | no, priests are legally solmnizers. Up until recently only relgious bodies were able to be solmnizers | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | had a massive rant online with John in .Ie who is getting married | 09:43 |
| ebel | but they changed it allow humanists to be solmnizers now. | 09:43 |
| ebel | When we got CPed that law wasn't in, so we had to use HSE. | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fears-of-chaos-after-vote-on-equal-marriage-342088.html | 09:44 |
| ebel | yeah, the priests could withdraw, but that doesn't change the law. | 09:44 |
| czajkowski | no | 09:45 |
| ebel | e.g. there are muslim, prodestant, pagan, (oodles of evangelical christian solmnizers) | 09:45 |
| czajkowski | hmm maybe I am confused then | 09:45 |
| czajkowski | but from what I read and heard and talked ot the HSE about, I still need the legal bit done by them if I wish to get married in ,Ie and they will not come out to a venue at the weekend. | 09:45 |
| * ebel counts 20 registered humanist solmnizers. | 09:45 | |
| ebel | http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/religious_marriage_ceremonies.html | 09:46 |
| ebel | The law has only changed recently. Perhaps you were speaking to someone who has forgotten | 09:46 |
| ebel | You need to legally give notice to HSE, ~3 months before hand. But you can get the ceremony done (i) in a registry office (ii) by a HSE person (iii) by a registered solmnizer | 09:46 |
| ebel | (i) & (ii) is the Mon-Fri 9-5 job. (iii) can be weekend, but used to be only religious bodies, but now humanists can do it | 09:47 |
| ebel | There's even a Celtic Monk on the Aran islands who can marry you | 09:48 |
| ebel | http://www.aislingarann.ie/index.html | 09:49 |
| czajkowski | http://www.weddingsonline.ie/suppliers/yes-i-do-ceremonies is the person I had chosen | 09:49 |
| czajkowski | as I didnt want to say I do in a registry office | 09:49 |
| ebel | yeah registry office is a bit... meh | 09:49 |
| czajkowski | I know others do but I dodnt want that and don't want a church wedding so trying to do it a me why but keeping some things traditional | 09:49 |
| ebel | Course, I had a friend recently get married and it was humanist. | 09:50 |
| ebel | And I think there's tight competition for the registered solmnizers | 09:50 |
| ebel | So it's legally possible, but it might not be *easy*. | 09:50 |
| ebel | Knew someone else who had a Spiritiualist wedding. Relatively generic, pretty traditional, but not Catholic. | 09:51 |
| ebel | (that would fall under 'relgious' in law) | 09:51 |
| ebel | And yeah, it's your day. Ye do what ye want. | 09:52 |
| ebel | No matter what happens, *someone* will be annoyed | 09:52 |
| ebel | Just make sure it's not the two of you. | 09:52 |
| * ebel flees for lunch | 09:52 | |
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