[19:47] <MikeRL> I hate to be a nag, but I'm curious if Thunderbird 38 will ever come to the main PPAs. I got a security update from the Mozilla Security PPA, but I wonder since I believe Gmail will only work with the new version cause of OAuth 1.0 being dropped.
[19:48] <MikeRL> I don't want to push, and I imagine there are more important things to do, but I am just curious how you guys update the older Thunderbird versions. Do you wait till a few stable releases have been released to a major revision, and then make them with Ubuntu specific patches?
[19:53] <MikeRL> I am starting to think 38.1.0 is still in testing, considering this unofficial PPA mentions it being in beta, and has a build from a week ago. https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/mozilla
[19:56] <MikeRL> My assumption is, that to make things easier to manage for you guys, is that you stick to older ESRs a little longer than the Mozilla builds do, so you can take more time testing any Ubuntu-specific patches. I mean, I believe some developers already have enough work here, and have Chromium to do as well.
[19:59] <MikeRL> Aww crud nuggets. Everyone is busy. Nobody to listen to my rants. :'(
[20:09] <mdeslaur> MikeRL: the main PPAs, I have no idea, but the main distro, yes
[20:15] <MikeRL> OK, thanks.
[20:16] <MikeRL> mdeslaur, isn't 38 still in development? (within regards to the Ubuntu specific version). I know 38.1.0 has been released by Mozilla.
[20:17] <mdeslaur> I assume we'll be switching to 38.x soon
[20:18] <mdeslaur> once they stop making 31.x releases
[20:19] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: why 31.8.0 instead of 38.1.0?
[20:19] <mdeslaur> (man those versions are confusing...)
[20:22] <MikeRL> Likely to spare him some time.
[20:23] <MikeRL> Doesn't he also work on Chromium?
[20:24] <mdeslaur> not chromium, no, he works on oxide
[20:25] <MikeRL> You know what's f'd up? Years ago, every piece of Google software got first class Linux support. I had barely any bigtime games to Play. Now, I have countless Steam games and Humble Bundle ports. But Play Music Manager needs workarounds, Earth isn't being patched at the same rate on Linux, etc.
[20:25] <MikeRL> Stinking Google.
[20:25] <MikeRL> Not anyone's fault around here.
[20:25] <MikeRL> I wonder if Google is just milking Linux at times.
[20:27] <MikeRL> Also, if closed stuff is coming to Linux more and more via official ports, why is Google getting so lazy?
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> we'll update thunderbird to 38 - 31.8.0 is a stop-gap because I just don't have time to test the update to 38.1 just yet (been consumed by Firefox and other things all week)
[20:27] <MikeRL> Thought there was a good enough reason.
[20:27] <MikeRL> Better than being screwed 110%.
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> also, updates from 31.7.0 -> 38.1 are currently manual when using upstream builds
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> so there's not really any rush
[20:28] <MikeRL> It could be worse - you could be in charge of Flash or IE development.
[20:30] <MikeRL> I wish Google just made Flash click to play. I assume they refuse to because of their ads.
[20:30] <mdeslaur> MikeRL: that sounds likely
[20:31] <MikeRL> Had it click to play since I realized a lot of crap uses it and then slows down my low end POS desktop.
[20:32] <MikeRL> Plus, Flash is mostly unnecessary unless you have no choice but to view something in Flash.
[20:33] <mdeslaur> it's quite unfortunate that a _lot_ of videos still require flash
[20:37] <MikeRL> Try Greasemonkey and Viewtube.
[20:50] <MikeRL> Back after X acted funny and needed to die.
[20:51] <MikeRL> Sometimes I really despise that antiquated X Window System.
[20:52] <MikeRL> First, keyboard and mouse acts up in Half Life 2. Then, the Unity launcher refused to group things like normal.
[21:10] <micahg> I meant to help with Thunderbird 38 and haven't had a chance to dive back in