[05:09] <mazal> Mornings
[06:09] <Kilos> hi alphad MaNI Squirm theblazehen and others
[06:11] <MaNI> morning
[06:25] <Kilos> hi Tonberry Cryterion 
[06:25] <Kilos> oh my pro is gone
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:33] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:40] <nuvolari> o/ mornings :D
[06:41] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos 
[06:41] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[06:41] <nuvolari> oh hi MaNI 
[06:41] <nuvolari> and mazal 
[06:41] <Kilos> hi nuvolari goed dankie en daar?
[06:47] <Kilos> Maaz  tell inetpro you missing man
[06:47] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[06:54] <Kilos> can anyone see when the pro parted?
[06:54] <Kilos> i was offline so dont see it
[06:56] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  do you see it on your scrollback please
[06:56] <Kilos> im helping him via telegram
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Oh hai ThatGraemeGuy, Kilos and nuvolari
[06:57] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Also MaNI and mazal who also said good morning :P
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my i didnt see mazal 
[06:58] <Kilos> sorry
[06:58] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac 
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> my bouncer doesn't replay joins/parts
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> or rather I've not configured it to
[06:58] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[06:59] <Kilos> yeah it becomes a nuisance but he needs the info 
[06:59] <Kilos> irc logs dont show joinparts either
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz: seen inetpro
[06:59] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: inetpro was last seen 1 day, 40 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-13 23:19:37 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-14 19:40:14 PDT
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> no scrollback required
[07:00] <Kilos> that shows his last time he said something only
[07:00] <Kilos> he was online yesterday
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> "and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-14 19:40:14 PDT"
[07:00] <Kilos> ah cool
[07:00] <Kilos> ty
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> and why oh why does Maaz use PDT timezone?!
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> grrrrr
[07:01] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <Kilos> i dont even know what that is
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah what a joke indeed
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and every time we suggest replacing it it's "nooooo there will be a shiny new bot any day now"
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> except nobody has put a second's effort in
[07:02] <Kilos> and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-15 02:40:35 UTC
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is ubuntu-ZA
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> in ZA we use UTC+2
[07:02] <Kilos> thats from qa on ##kilos
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> no reason for maaz to use anything else
[07:03] <Trixar_za> :|
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[07:03] <Trixar_za> I have the wierdest urge to use Japanese
[07:03] <Trixar_za> I may be watching too much Anime
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> ill get the pro to make her use utc+2 when he gets some time
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah yeah
[07:04] <Kilos> they have a line down or something
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> this isn't the first time i've heard this and it won't be the last
[07:05] <Kilos> but utc is easier to figure for me anyway
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[07:06] <Kilos> QA  hi
[07:06] <QA> hi there
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> how can that possibly be easier to figure than just using UCT+2, which is what 99% of us use all day every day
[07:06] <Kilos> well we havent bothered to sort her yet
[07:07] <Kilos> and with utc its easy to add 2
[07:07] <Kilos> QA  seen inetpro
[07:07] <QA> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 7 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes and 17 seconds ago in #ubuntu-africa on freenode [2015-07-07 21:40:41 UTC], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-15 02:40:35 UTC
[07:08] <Kilos> he is so busy , when i ask him to sort her timezone ill get an ai!
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> its easier to not have to add or subtract anything
[07:08] <Kilos> i totally agree
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> it pisses me off no end when people aren't willing to give up being the custodian of something, yet are constantly too busy to maintain it
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> wtf is the point
[07:10] <Kilos> i have admin on QA but dont know how to set the timezone thing
[07:14]  * mazal peaks
[07:14] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:14] <mazal> Hallo everyone I haven't greeted yet
[07:14] <Kilos> sies man
[07:14] <mazal> sies why ?
[07:15] <Kilos> jy los ons in die donker
[07:15] <Kilos> skaam jou
[07:15] <mazal> huh
[07:15] <mazal> I'm not following
[07:15] <Kilos> mazal afk is nearly same as mazal offline
[07:16] <mazal> Not really
[07:16] <mazal> mazal afk = working
[07:16] <mazal> mazal offline = playing
[07:16] <Kilos> i try greet online not away peeps so i dont ping them if they busy
[07:17] <Trixar_za> If that playing involves porn, then it's probably better than he left us in the dark
[07:18] <mazal> I don't do porn , so nope
[07:18] <Kilos> lol\
[07:18] <mazal> But oom I still don't know why I got a sies ? What  did wrong ?
[07:20] <Kilos> haha sorry man
[07:21] <Kilos> i said sies because ytou didnt greet me first thing
[07:21] <mazal> I can't help it oom sleep so late :P
[07:21] <mazal> When I said morning nobody was here lol
[07:21] <Kilos> you are forgiven
[07:22]  * mazal needs to find about 120gig data somewhere
[07:23] <mazal> Why is top-ups sooooooooo expensive
[07:23] <mazal> I don't get that
[07:23] <Kilos> oh my
[07:24] <mazal> I want an ISP that offers top-ups at the same price per gig as your monthly bundle cost per gig
[07:24] <mazal> Kilos: yeah , I need to do a ton of downloads , but is a once-off thing so no use upgrading my monthly package
[07:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:26] <mazal> It's what happens when you sit without power for a whole day and think out stuff
[07:26] <mazal> cos of boredom
[07:26] <Kilos> ai!
[07:26] <mazal> It's always great ideas but ends up costing lots of money or data every time lol
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: vox fat pipe 100GB R164
[07:27] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: That's the one of last week yes ?
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes valid til end of the month
[07:28] <mazal> Really wish there was better once-off options in these specific cases
[07:30]  * ThatGraemeGuy mumbles something about the wonders of uncapped
[07:30] <Kilos> lol
[07:30] <mazal> Ag nee , you barely reach 50gig then you get throttled so bad you can't even use email
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> riiiight
[07:31] <mazal> Is what happened to me
[07:31] <mazal> Got lik 7k download on a 4mb line. Rediculous
[07:32]  * ThatGraemeGuy steps away
[07:32] <Kilos> lol
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> not going through this loooong conversation again
[07:32] <mazal> Just pointing out the facts of what happened. Maybe my ISP just bad , but that's what happened
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, you pointed out those same facts last time, and everyone here told you that yes, the isp choice was bad, and etc. etc. etc.
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> like i said, not getting into that loooong conversation again
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i routinely use 200-300GB without breaking a sweat
[07:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:37] <Kilos> wooot pro returned
[07:37] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:37] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro you missing man" 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago
[07:38] <inetpro> hehe... he missed me? :-)
[07:38]  * inetpro just had to kickstart the interwebs into gear
[07:38] <mazal> morning inetpro
[07:38] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb
[07:39] <inetpro> Kilos: last night I just gave up connecting when we had loadshedding after a long day at work
[07:39] <Kilos> we had 3 hours no power
[07:39] <Kilos> and when you have time we need to make the bots use utc+2 please
[07:40] <mazal> Oi I need a document management system
[07:44] <mazal> Oom Kilos have you figured one out yet ?
[07:50] <Kilos> a document manager?
[07:50] <magespawn> good morning
[07:51] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:51] <Kilos> mazal  what you wanna do?
[07:52] <mazal> Kilos:  a " Help me remember in which folder I put which document " system :P
[07:52] <Kilos> lolol
[07:52] <mazal> morning magespawn
[07:52] <Kilos> no i forget too
[07:53] <Kilos> thats why i let my browser open to over 20 pages daily
[07:53] <mazal> I lost one of barry's files
[07:53] <mazal> and can't find the thing
[07:53] <Kilos> use the search
[07:54] <mazal> uhm.......can't remember the filename
[07:54] <mazal> And also can't remember if it's on mail , pc or server lol
[07:55] <mazal> It's defnitely on one of those systems , that I know lol
[07:55] <Kilos> ai!
[07:56] <Kilos> whats this thing http://tellico-project.org/
[07:58] <Kilos> you should save all barry stuff in a barry folder
[07:59] <mazal> We have a bunch of work folders and in there a bunch of sub folders
[07:59] <mazal> We try and name the folders according to relevance , but there is also some that could be in 3 different subjects
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <mazal> For example , this is a user's application for memory sticks. So did I file under finance , assets , user applications, or region info
[08:01] <mazal> Cos all of those is relevant for this doc :P
[08:01] <Kilos> should be user apps
[08:01] <mazal> but user apps should only be user id applications
[08:01] <Kilos> when things are relevant in many places save them to all those places
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> you say "I'm I.T. staff, not this silly admin nonsense"
[08:02] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: I really suck at admin
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> me too which is why I do none
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> there are people that are paid to do admin well, I'm not one of them 
[08:03] <mazal> Kilos: I actually started to do that , if something is relevant to more than one thing I save it in all of those. BUT then comes the problem when it gets updated. Then the " Now which one did I update problem again "
[08:03] <Kilos> lol
[08:03] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: We asked for an admin clerk , as usual the response was no
[08:03] <mazal> Our poor files is a mess
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is it you work for?
[08:04] <mazal> nuff said right there
[08:05] <mazal> om Kilos , you should see when it happens when me and barry goes " Maar ek het jou gese jy moet onthou waar ek dit bere , jy moet help onthou "
[08:05] <Kilos> lol
[08:05] <Kilos> correctional services
[08:05] <mazal> then the inevitable " Nee jy het my niks gese nie , ek kan dit nie onthou nie " lol
[08:06] <Kilos> ai!
[08:06] <mazal> Two ou toppies trying to remember stuff , get's very funny
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <mazal> Don't tell him I said that :P
[08:08] <mazal> And the less you remember the more docs and manuals you make for yourself and so the cycle get's worse
[08:09] <Kilos> i battle with only my stuff, dunno how you guys do so much
[08:09] <mazal> But the digital stuff is ok , eventually we find it. You should check when I try and find something I wrote in last year's diary lol
[08:21] <magespawn> mazal: you still write things?
[08:33] <Kilos> hi ronaldm 
[08:34] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:35] <mazal> magespawn: Defnitely , I have a diary at work and at home I have notepads for stuff to remember
[08:36] <magespawn> i almost always lose the notes, can remember that i wrote something somewhere
[08:36] <magespawn> brb
[08:45] <magespawn> back
[08:48] <ronaldm> Kilos: thanks for the warm welcome
[08:48] <Kilos> we are happy when new people join us ronaldm 
[08:48] <ronaldm> Kilos: I am based in Harare, saw your email on the LoCo mailing list
[08:48] <Kilos> if you need some help just state what you need help with
[08:49] <Kilos> aha ok then you can join #ubuntu-africa
[08:49] <Kilos> thats the channel for all of africa
[08:51] <mazal> Welcome ronaldm
[08:52] <ronaldm> mazal: thanks
[08:55] <mazal> heh , heard another myth now
[08:56] <mazal> magespawn: I keep mine in one place only , then it can't get lost :)
[08:56] <mazal> Always lying next to my pc
[09:07] <Kilos> haha i saved school books full of notes, and that is even harder to find
[09:09] <magespawn> mazal i need to get into this idea of having one office, at the moment i tend to carry everything with me
[09:11] <magespawn> bbl got to go again
[09:15] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:15] <Kilos> need clever peeps ideas
[09:17] <Kilos> if a tower is upgraded to lte will ones normal modem also be faster even though it cant do the lte bit
[09:17] <Kilos> surely the whole signal or bandwidth will be better wont it
[09:19] <Kilos> so everything connected to it will be faster
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure if there are and GSM/LTE techs around here that would know
[09:22] <Kilos> well i hope so because ive just asked them to upgrade this tower
[09:22] <Kilos> and will get all neighbours to do likewise
[09:44] <mazal> Good q Kilos , would be interesting to know
[09:47] <Kilos> logically i think everything connected to it should be faster, cells, tablets pcs etc
[09:47] <mazal> Usually it's never that simple. There is always a BUT
[09:48] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't think that would be the case at all
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> if your device can speak HSDPA it will still speak HSDPA
[09:49] <mazal> I think only LTE enabled devices will benefit
[09:49] <mazal> The rest not
[09:49] <Kilos> oh yes ThatGraemeGuy i agree but
[09:49] <Kilos> lets figure
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a WiFi 802.11n device, there is no speed benefit for a device that only speaks 802.11g
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> similar situation
[09:49] <Kilos> to upgrade to lte they must surely increase bandwidth right?
[09:49] <mazal> I agree with Graeme
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> backhaul yes
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> but that isn't really relevant to your device
[09:50] <Kilos> so then , we are having slow speeds now because they say because of all the extra users
[09:50] <mazal> It's like if I plug my 100mb network card into a 1Gig lan , it's still only gonna work at 100mb
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> it depends on whether the congestion is on the GSM side or backhaul
[09:51] <Kilos> my device is capable of 20mb/s but i get 2 mb/s
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't believe that backhaul would be congested
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> the wireless likely is
[09:51] <Kilos> at times then others over 7mb/s
[09:51] <Kilos> so thats because of too many peeps i think
[09:52] <Kilos> so if bandwidth is increased it should be able to do better
[09:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> your whole argument is based on them adding more backhaul
[09:52] <Kilos> i dunno what backhaul is
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's fat fibre pipes, i don't believe that would be the issue
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> backhaul is the fat fibre connection that connects base station comms kit to their backbone
[09:53] <Kilos> oh ty
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think more likely the wireless side is congested
[09:54] <Kilos> well i hope upgrading helps
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> and like everything, no provider is ever going to say you will get the speed your device supports, they will all say "up to" 20Mbps or whatever
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> there just isn't any way to guarantee speed, ESPECIALLY with wireless
[09:54] <MaNI> 99% of the time it will be the 'last mile' i.e. the wireless side
[09:54] <Kilos> ya but they must fix my side
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> they will advertise the speed the technology is capable of, but there's no way you will see that full speed constantly
[09:55] <Kilos> the pro gets up to 22mb/s and im stuck down at 2mb/s at times
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't compare like that
[09:55] <Kilos> im happy when i get 7 meg
[09:56] <Kilos> ya but he feeds off a lte tower and me not
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> and upgrading a tower costs a ton of money, they aren't just going to do that without all sorts of investigation and financial reports
[09:56] <Kilos> oh well all i can do is ask for upgrade
[09:57] <Kilos> and hope
[09:58] <Kilos> its very lekker to open a web page and not have to wait
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> that has less to do with bandwith and more to do with latency
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I only have 2M and pages load quickly for me
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> adsl has much lower latency
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have 20M of  peak bandwith but bad latency, web pages will still suck
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[10:09]  * mazal hears the word latency and screams
[10:09] <mazal> Killer for us online gamers that
[10:09] <mazal> Good old ping rate
[10:10] <MaNI> a bit of both depending on the web pages
[10:10] <MaNI> turning on ad block is a big help :)
[10:10] <Kilos> lol i have that
[10:10] <Kilos> hate adds
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh
[10:11] <mazal> Shees we are standing still today
[10:11] <mazal> Our work network I mean
[10:11] <MaNI> but yeah latency is a killer if its a badly written web page, with lots of back and forth, like 100s of little css files or whatever
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> trying to get some windows-only piece of crap software working on a vm
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do people still use this crap?
[10:12] <mazal> What app ?
[10:12] <Kilos> with difficulty
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> leapfrog connect
[10:13] <mazal> Don't know it sorry , can't be of help
[10:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> nobody can :)
[10:13] <MaNI> I lost most of my sleep on monday to get a product to still work on XP :/
[10:14] <mazal> XP!!! Wow ok
[10:14] <MaNI> product about to ship, client decides at last minute that it must still support XP, meh
[10:14] <Kilos> ouch
[10:14] <mazal> I almost said something now
[10:14] <mazal> But can't judge that badly :P
[10:15] <MaNI> It sounds ridiculous but when you look at some of the numbers out their some of them claim more people still use XP than OSX - and nobody acts shocked when people want OSX support :(
[10:16] <mazal> All things bad about Win aside, using an OS that has no security support anymore is just.........
[10:16] <MaNI> not condoning it
[10:16] <MaNI> but its still ~250 million potential customers that otherwise can't use your software :p
[10:17] <MaNI> I'd love to take a stick and beat them all into using another OS of course
[10:17] <mazal> That gives me an idea
[10:18] <MaNI> ergh 4-6 weeks lead time on the circuit breakers I want, terrible, I can probably import faster than that :(
[10:47] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch
[10:47] <Maaz> mazal: How about some soup?
[10:48] <mazal> maaz what is it with you and soup
[10:48] <Maaz> mazal: Not a clue, sorry
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird question, anyone know anything about dual-booting windows 8 and linux?
[11:53] <mazal> Not Win 8 no , last time I did it was Win 7
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> my laptop came with windows 8 in UEFI mode, and I blew it away within minutes
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and now I want to go to dual-boot and I'm lost
[11:54] <mazal> formatted it ?
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've done nothing, just researching first
[11:54] <mazal> O ok
[11:54] <mazal> ask ubuntu has a nice one this somewhere
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I need to know what I'm in for up front, this is my laptop that I use all the time, can't have it down for a day or two while I'm figuring stuff out
[11:54] <mazal> UEFI is the main pain
[11:55] <mazal> Lemme see if I can find that nice how-to I saw before
[11:57] <mazal> http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported
[11:58] <mazal> Lots of info there ^^
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks, but that's how to install ubuntu with 8 pre-installed
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> I already did that 1.5 years ago, I need something different
[12:00] <mazal> What specific you need ?
[12:00] <melodie> hi
[12:00] <melodie> Kilos ?
[12:00] <mazal> Lo melodie
[12:01] <melodie> hi mazal 
[12:22] <mazal> What means "hybrid harddisk" ?
[12:22] <mazal> Semi ssd ?
[12:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive
[12:24] <mazal> hmm interesting thanx
[12:26] <mazal> I wonder if Ubuntu support that 2nd part :
[12:26] <mazal> the data placement decisions are performed either entirely by the device (self-optimized mode), or through placement "hints" supplied by the operating system (host-hinted mode).
[12:30] <mazal> oi gtg
[12:30] <mazal> l8tr all , have a nice afternoon
[14:57] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:00] <magespawn> trying to find out why the network is sporadic
[15:01] <magespawn> slow then fast intermittently
[15:02] <Kilos> during a download?
[15:03] <magespawn> no just general network usage
[15:03] <magespawn> do have 80 or so people on the network
[15:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:03] <Kilos> some are downloading stuffs
[15:07] <magespawn> yup i think so but the ping times are all over the place an i am losing packets on two locations
[15:08] <Kilos> oh my
[15:10] <magespawn> i think the one is an alignment issue and the other just crappy equipment
[15:12] <magespawn> nothing that would hurt chat, but your youtube might suffer a bit
[16:08] <Cryterion> And loadshedding starts again, grrr
[16:18] <MaNI> indeed
[16:18] <MaNI> and my panels are sitting in my lounge unable to help me, so close but still so far, the pain :p
[16:51] <inetpro> good evening
[17:05] <Cryterion_> evening inetpro mazal
[17:05] <Cryterion_> Mani i me
[17:05] <Cryterion_> mean grrr
[17:06] <MaNI> evening
[17:29] <Kilos> hi inetpro MaNI Cryterion_ and superfly 
[17:29] <superfly> Hi Kilos, Cryterion_, MaNI and inetpro 
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: the Nikola guys are super helpful. I'm using Nikola for another site, and I asked them for some help and they were exceptionally helpful. 
[17:32] <Kilos> good superfly 
[17:32] <Kilos> what could you need help with though
[17:34] <Kilos> ?
[17:34] <Kilos> not often my fly needs help
[17:51] <superfly> just some internals of Nikola
[17:52] <Kilos> aha
[17:59] <Cryterion_> in 1907 Nikola Tesla said "One day every person will have a hand held device that could send text messages to any other person", in 1999 the Blackberry arrived!
[18:00] <Kilos> i enjoy the tesla coils in red alert. they really shock the enemy to bits
[18:01] <Cryterion_> lol, I remember that game
[18:02] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 wb
[18:05] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos what's up
[18:05] <Kilos> just another day and you?
[18:06] <Kilos> hows the business Vince-0 ?
[18:07] <Kilos> you made your first million yet?
[18:09] <Vince-0> ag werk is werk
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:13] <Kilos> glad you got everything fixed inetpro , room is empty outa you
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: what problem?
[18:14] <Kilos> sigh
[18:14] <Kilos> none so blind as those that will not see
[18:16]  * inetpro don't know that he had problems
[18:16] <Kilos> oh ok then
[18:17] <Kilos> i must be the only observant one here
[18:17] <Kilos> obzervent
[18:17] <Kilos> ai! that
[18:17] <Kilos> opletbaar
[18:17] <stickyboy> "You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding" -Plato
[18:17] <stickyboy> (speaking about Google)
[18:18] <stickyboy> http://ma.tt/2015/07/plato-phaedrus/
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean this morning?
[18:18] <Kilos> yeaasir inetpro 
[18:18] <Kilos> yessir
[18:18] <inetpro> that was not my problem to fix sir
[18:18] <Kilos> well thats a matter of opinion
[18:18] <inetpro> somebody else also needs to do some work around here :-)
[18:19] <Kilos> if you offline here its your problem
[18:19] <Kilos> haha
[18:19] <stickyboy> You guys, communities rise and fall.
[18:19] <Kilos> not this one
[18:19] <stickyboy> Just look at the once-mighty Nairobi LUG.
[18:19] <Kilos> we just keep rising
[18:20] <stickyboy> \o/
[18:20] <Kilos> i wont allow these peeps too fall till i stop breathing
[18:20] <stickyboy> I'll send you greetings from Georgia.
[18:20] <stickyboy> Have you seen how they write?
[18:20] <Kilos> when you going
[18:20] <Kilos> no
[18:21] <Kilos> georgia where
[18:21] <stickyboy> ქართული
[18:21] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:21] <Kilos> same to you
[18:21] <stickyboy> The caucasus, my friend.
[18:22] <Kilos> stickyboy  is that their word for yummy
[18:22] <Kilos> where is the caucasus
[18:23] <stickyboy> Kilos: Azerbaijan, Georgia...
[18:23] <stickyboy> But the Caspian Sea.
[18:23] <Kilos> aha
[18:23] <stickyboy> s/Buy/By/
[18:23] <mazal> Evenings
[18:23] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[18:24] <Kilos> stickyboy  they dont have feta
[18:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yeah, looks like they might not...
[18:26] <stickyboy> But they have baklava.
[18:26] <Kilos> lol you gonna have to rough it for a while
[18:27] <Kilos> how long 2 weeks?
[18:28] <mazal> ugh this winter thing , 8:30 and I want to go sleep already
[18:28] <Kilos> yeah im also yawning here
[18:28] <Kilos> snow on the berg tonight
[18:29] <Kilos> luckily north east wind tomorrow
[18:29] <mazal> I'm too lazy to work and too cold to game lol
[18:29] <Cryterion__> Kilo's, I setup a post on the Congo's team facebook page, looks like it has to wait admin approval before it goes through, will wait and see
[18:29] <Cryterion__> Hi mazak
[18:29] <Cryterion__> mazal*
[18:29] <mazal> Hi Cryterion__ 
[18:29] <Kilos> ty Cryterion__ 
[18:30] <Cryterion> darn loadshedding, messes up my nick lol
[18:30] <Kilos> i actuallt think i had some mail contact with one of them once but forget who now
[18:31] <Kilos> loadshedding messes up everything
[18:32] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[18:33] <Cryterion> There's 175 people on the Congo page that like it (Can't tell how many still follow it though) but it's also a page, not a group like we've setup for Africa
[18:33] <Kilos> we are unique world wide i think
[18:35] <Kilos> its just difficult to pull social media peeps to irc
[18:35] <mazal> What's the africa group name ?
[18:35] <Kilos> on fb?
[18:35] <Kilos> ubuntu-africa
[18:35] <Cryterion> mazal, Ubuntu-Africa
[18:36] <mazal> Last post was April ?
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh i'm a bit spoiled
[18:36] <Kilos> what you got ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:36] <Tonberry> hi
[18:36] <Cryterion> How do I un-ignore on xchat?
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> so used to a CD-sized ISO taking a couple of minutes, when I'm at home it seems inconceivable that it's going to take more than an hour
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> AN HOUR, really?!
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> yay dvd size isos are the new norm
[18:37] <Kilos> ya
[18:37] <mazal> An hour for an install ?
[18:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> no an hour+ to download 438MB
[18:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> takes about a minute at work :-/
[18:38] <Kilos> wow
[18:38] <stickyboy> From USB flash disk it's quick. :D
[18:38] <mazal> Oh to dl 
[18:38] <mazal> I was about to ask if that is a Windoooze install lol
[18:39] <Kilos> what last post was april mazal 
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> well yes, from RAM its even quicker, but since the file I need is stored on neither of those, I will have to download it from the snail network :-p
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> a windows install is only 10 minutes nowadays
[18:39] <mazal> Kilos, the last post on the fb group
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> but this whole affair is windows related actually
[18:39] <Kilos> the ubuntu-africa group?
[18:39] <mazal> yes
[18:40] <Kilos> Cryterion  post something
[18:40] <mazal> And seems like a micro financial organization actually
[18:40] <Cryterion> Something
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <mazal> I think I am on the wrong group that has the same name
[18:40] <Kilos> man something to show its alive and hunting buntu peeps in africa
[18:41] <Cryterion> I accidentally ignored mazal, not sure it I corrected it properly yet, mazal are you here?
[18:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1.5 hours and counting, resizing an NTFS filesystem by 150GB  :-/
[18:42] <mazal> Cryterion, yes I am
[18:42] <Cryterion> Kilo's I did, got confirmed post, but didn't display yet
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: he said yes, did you see it?
[18:42] <Cryterion> no :(
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[18:42] <mazal> oi
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "oi"
[18:42] <Kilos> rofl
[18:42] <Cryterion> the /unignore command not working
[18:42] <mazal> I knew I should have bought flowers ai !!
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "I knew I should have bought flowers ai !!"
[18:43] <Kilos> i love this channel 
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> I found a purpose in life
[18:43] <Cryterion> lol
[18:43] <Kilos> everyone is nuts
[18:43] <Cryterion> Usage: UNIGNORE <mask> [QUIET]
[18:43] <Kilos> i feel at home here
[18:44] <Cryterion> mask would be mazal? QUIET?
[18:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: the correct answer of course is to not use xchat in the first place :)
[18:44] <mazal> Isn't mask that mazal*!* something something stuff ?
[18:44] <Cryterion> hmm, this is the only problem I'm having with xchat
[18:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> check in ~/.xchat or ~/.config/xchat, or whatnot, not sure where xchat stores config
[18:45] <Cryterion> Will look
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "Isn't mask that mazal*!* something something stuff ?"
[18:45] <mazal> Can't remember the masks , been too long since I last used it
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "Can't remember the masks , been too long since I last used it"
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[18:45] <Kilos> haha
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok i'm done
[18:45] <mazal> Last time was when I banned someone , and that was loooooooooooooong ago
[18:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: /nick notmazal
[18:46]  * Cryterion sees that
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> notmazal: say something
[18:47] <notmazal> something
[18:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: notmazal said "something"
[18:47] <notmazal> rofl
[18:48] <Cryterion> I can see notmazal, even saw the change mazal: /nick notmazal
[18:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: everything that notmazal says, please privmsg it to Cryterion, thanks
[18:48] <Maaz> no probs, ThatGraemeGuy
[18:48] <notmazal> bwahahahaha
[18:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then you didn't ignore him usin mazal!*@*
[18:48] <Cryterion> double msg's now lol
[18:49] <Cryterion> no, but the chat display did say that
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> weir
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> +d
[18:49] <Cryterion> was an accidental click
[18:49]  * Cryterion restarts xchat
[18:50] <Kilos> wbcry
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you should uninstall xchat, not restart it :-p
[18:50] <Kilos> ai!
[18:50] <Cryterion> tks
[18:50] <Kilos> wb Cryterion 
[18:51] <Cryterion> lol
[18:51] <notmazal> Can I be me again now ?
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> install BitchX
[18:51] <Cryterion> Try, can only see
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> is BitchX even a thing anymore, that's a bit of a history lesson
[18:51] <Cryterion> Now that sounds mean ThatGraemeGuy lol
[18:51] <mazal> something
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> we all used BitchX at some point waaay back in the 90s
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless you were using mIRC
[18:52] <superfly> except me
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> those were your options :-D
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> or irssi
[18:52] <superfly> I didn't IRC in the 90s, to be honest.
[18:52] <mazal> I was a mirc guy
[18:52] <mazal> Had awesome stats generator for mirc :)
[18:52] <Kilos> sjoe i didnt even have a pc then
[18:53] <Cryterion> notmazal is now known as mazal (That's all I've seen from mazal, grrr)
[18:53] <Kilos> you guys are old
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wrote a mIRC script that ran a trivia game in a channel
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then ported it to Eggdrop
[18:53] <mazal> Yeah we had one of those in our channel
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was pretty popular back then
[18:53] <mazal> Trivia and one that you had to guess words and stuff
[18:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.donaldson.za.net/eggdrop
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I even have the files still :)
[18:54] <notmazalagain> Maybe we used one of your script and don't even know it
[18:54] <Kilos> night guys. ive laughed me moeg tonight
[18:54] <Kilos> ty
[18:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:54] <superfly> now you get @TriviaBot in Telegram
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> a whole lot of ZA IRC networks had a channel or two with my trivia game running back then
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> there was an acronym game as well
[18:56] <Cryterion> mazal are you there?
[18:56] <mazal> yes
[18:56] <Cryterion> working now :)
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: mazal says yes
[18:56] <Cryterion> ThatGraemeGuy, I got it fixed :)
[18:56] <mazal> Yay :)
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: mazal says Yay :)
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> hahaha
[18:57] <Cryterion> Lol
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: Kilos said sleep tight, and then left
[18:57] <Cryterion> Kwl
[18:57] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, we had lot's of fun with that stuff back in the day
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wonder if that script would still work with a modern version of Eggdrop
[18:58] <Cryterion> I remember my mIrc days, and yes was also back in the 90's
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> is Eggdrop even maintained anymore :-/
[18:58] <mazal> Then somebody at work discovered it and closed the server :(
[18:58] <Cryterion> Maaz: google Eggdrop
[18:58] <Maaz> Cryterion: "Eggheads.org - Main Index" http://www.eggheads.org/ :: "Eggheads.org - Downloads" http://www.eggheads.org/downloads/ :: "Eggdrop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggdrop :: "egghelp.org: what is an eggdrop?" http://www.egghelp.org/whatis.htm :: "egghelp.org" http://www.egghelp.org/ :: "egghelp.org: setting up an eggdrop"
[18:58] <Maaz> http://www.egghelp.org/setup.htm :: "egghelp.org: eggdrop files" http://www.egghelp.org/…
[18:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> eggheads.org is the official site
[19:00] <mazal> Was in 90's for me also , didn't even know about linux back then
[19:00] <mazal> Wish I did though
[19:00] <mazal> Or rather knew about it , but was ignorant
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I played with Slackware around that time but never ran it properly
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> in 2004 I ran Gentoo on my desktop
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> which was quite a brave thing to do in the 56k dial-up era
[19:01] <mazal> I was one of the " Linux is only for servers and can't be used as a desktop os " people
[19:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/brave/dumb probably
[19:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then there was bonded ISDN and Telkom's "R7 weekend"
[19:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone remember that? :-o
[19:02] <mazal> Oh I remember those
[19:04] <Cryterion> I switched to Linux about 2 years ago, I have about 3 months experience with windows 8, then through it out the window
[19:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> I started a job in 2009 as the designated windows guy in a mostly-Linux shop
[19:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly remembers
[19:05] <superfly> :-D
[19:05] <Cryterion> Ah, that R7 all weekend telkom one, got pissed at my step-sister for picking up the phone which dc'd me, grrr
[19:05] <mazal> I started using linux in 2002 for my home file share server
[19:06] <mazal> Wasn't until 2008 that I tried it as a desktop
[19:06] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: though Shaun vN was "I'll never use Linux on my desktop!"
[19:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: yeah with bonded ISDN the R7 weekend turned into a R14 weekend, and if you got disconnected it was infuriating
[19:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol Shaun
[19:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> almost thought he was done for the other day, shame
[19:08] <Cryterion> especially if your all night download was coming off a non-resuming server ThatGraemeGuy
[19:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> he's working for some Nigerian eCommerce site, and flew up there. his wife contacted me via fb, desperate that she hadn't heard from him for several hours after he should've landed
[19:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> many hours later he popped up on fb, turned out he just had really bad signal all the time
[19:09] <superfly> heh
[19:10] <mazal> I'm gonna crash
[19:10] <mazal> Night guys , sleep well
[19:11] <Cryterion> Night mazal
[19:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, what he said ^^
[19:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> night all
[19:15] <superfly> heh
[19:48] <stickyboy> Renewing my ACM membership.
[21:07] <Cryterion> Maaz: what bot are you
[21:07] <Maaz> Cryterion: If you say so
[21:08] <Cryterion> Maaz: what version are you?
[21:08] <Maaz> Cryterion: One learns a new thing every day
[21:08] <superfly> Cryterion: ibid
[21:14] <inetpro> Maaz: last set factoid
[21:14] <Maaz> inetpro: It was: what version
[21:15] <inetpro> Maaz: forget what version
[21:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[21:15] <inetpro> Maaz: forget what bot
[21:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[21:15] <inetpro> time for some sleep 
[21:16] <inetpro> good night
[21:19] <Cryterion> lol
[21:19] <Cryterion> night guys
[21:31] <Cryterion> oh and tks superfly