=== rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus [05:09] Mornings === MaNL is now known as Guest30590 === Guest30590 is now known as MaNI [06:09] hi alphad MaNI Squirm theblazehen and others [06:11] morning [06:25] hi Tonberry Cryterion [06:25] oh my pro is gone [06:33] morning peeps [06:33] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:40] o/ mornings :D [06:41] oh hi oom Kilos [06:41] hoe gaan dit met oom? [06:41] oh hi MaNI [06:41] and mazal [06:41] hi nuvolari goed dankie en daar? [06:47] Maaz tell inetpro you missing man [06:47] Kilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode [06:54] can anyone see when the pro parted? [06:54] i was offline so dont see it [06:56] ThatGraemeGuy do you see it on your scrollback please [06:56] im helping him via telegram [06:57] Oh hai ThatGraemeGuy, Kilos and nuvolari [06:57] hi Trixar_za [06:57] Also MaNI and mazal who also said good morning :P [06:58] oh my i didnt see mazal [06:58] sorry [06:58] hi TinuvaMac [06:58] my bouncer doesn't replay joins/parts [06:58] oh my ty ThatGraemeGuy [06:58] or rather I've not configured it to [06:58] nuvolari ping [06:59] yeah it becomes a nuisance but he needs the info [06:59] irc logs dont show joinparts either [06:59] maaz: seen inetpro [06:59] ThatGraemeGuy: inetpro was last seen 1 day, 40 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-13 23:19:37 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-14 19:40:14 PDT [07:00] no scrollback required [07:00] that shows his last time he said something only [07:00] he was online yesterday [07:00] "and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-14 19:40:14 PDT" [07:00] ah cool [07:00] ty [07:01] and why oh why does Maaz use PDT timezone?! [07:01] grrrrr [07:01] haha [07:01] i dont even know what that is [07:01] yeah what a joke indeed [07:02] and every time we suggest replacing it it's "nooooo there will be a shiny new bot any day now" [07:02] except nobody has put a second's effort in [07:02] and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-15 02:40:35 UTC [07:02] this is ubuntu-ZA [07:02] in ZA we use UTC+2 [07:02] thats from qa on ##kilos [07:03] no reason for maaz to use anything else [07:03] :| [07:03] [07:03] I have the wierdest urge to use Japanese [07:03] I may be watching too much Anime [07:03] lol [07:04] ill get the pro to make her use utc+2 when he gets some time [07:04] yeah yeah [07:04] they have a line down or something [07:05] this isn't the first time i've heard this and it won't be the last [07:05] but utc is easier to figure for me anyway [07:05] eish [07:06] QA hi [07:06] hi there [07:06] how can that possibly be easier to figure than just using UCT+2, which is what 99% of us use all day every day [07:06] well we havent bothered to sort her yet [07:07] and with utc its easy to add 2 [07:07] QA seen inetpro [07:07] Kilos: inetpro was last seen 7 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes and 17 seconds ago in #ubuntu-africa on freenode [2015-07-07 21:40:41 UTC], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-15 02:40:35 UTC [07:08] he is so busy , when i ask him to sort her timezone ill get an ai! [07:08] its easier to not have to add or subtract anything [07:08] i totally agree [07:09] it pisses me off no end when people aren't willing to give up being the custodian of something, yet are constantly too busy to maintain it [07:09] wtf is the point [07:10] i have admin on QA but dont know how to set the timezone thing [07:14] * mazal peaks [07:14] hi mazal [07:14] Hallo everyone I haven't greeted yet [07:14] sies man [07:14] sies why ? [07:15] jy los ons in die donker [07:15] skaam jou [07:15] huh [07:15] I'm not following [07:15] mazal afk is nearly same as mazal offline [07:16] Not really [07:16] mazal afk = working [07:16] mazal offline = playing [07:16] i try greet online not away peeps so i dont ping them if they busy [07:17] If that playing involves porn, then it's probably better than he left us in the dark [07:18] I don't do porn , so nope [07:18] lol\ [07:18] But oom I still don't know why I got a sies ? What did wrong ? [07:20] haha sorry man [07:21] i said sies because ytou didnt greet me first thing [07:21] I can't help it oom sleep so late :P [07:21] When I said morning nobody was here lol [07:21] you are forgiven [07:22] * mazal needs to find about 120gig data somewhere [07:23] Why is top-ups sooooooooo expensive [07:23] I don't get that [07:23] oh my [07:24] I want an ISP that offers top-ups at the same price per gig as your monthly bundle cost per gig [07:24] Kilos: yeah , I need to do a ton of downloads , but is a once-off thing so no use upgrading my monthly package [07:25] sjoe [07:26] It's what happens when you sit without power for a whole day and think out stuff [07:26] cos of boredom [07:26] ai! [07:26] It's always great ideas but ends up costing lots of money or data every time lol [07:26] mazal: vox fat pipe 100GB R164 [07:27] ThatGraemeGuy: That's the one of last week yes ? [07:27] yes valid til end of the month [07:28] Really wish there was better once-off options in these specific cases [07:30] * ThatGraemeGuy mumbles something about the wonders of uncapped [07:30] lol [07:30] Ag nee , you barely reach 50gig then you get throttled so bad you can't even use email [07:31] riiiight [07:31] Is what happened to me [07:31] Got lik 7k download on a 4mb line. Rediculous [07:32] * ThatGraemeGuy steps away [07:32] lol [07:32] not going through this loooong conversation again [07:32] Just pointing out the facts of what happened. Maybe my ISP just bad , but that's what happened [07:33] yes, you pointed out those same facts last time, and everyone here told you that yes, the isp choice was bad, and etc. etc. etc. [07:33] like i said, not getting into that loooong conversation again [07:34] i routinely use 200-300GB without breaking a sweat [07:35] sjoe [07:37] wooot pro returned [07:37] good mornings [07:37] inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro you missing man" 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago [07:38] hehe... he missed me? :-) [07:38] * inetpro just had to kickstart the interwebs into gear [07:38] morning inetpro [07:38] hi inetpro wb [07:39] Kilos: last night I just gave up connecting when we had loadshedding after a long day at work [07:39] we had 3 hours no power [07:39] and when you have time we need to make the bots use utc+2 please [07:40] Oi I need a document management system [07:44] Oom Kilos have you figured one out yet ? [07:50] a document manager? [07:50] good morning [07:51] hi magespawn [07:51] mazal what you wanna do? [07:52] Kilos: a " Help me remember in which folder I put which document " system :P [07:52] lolol [07:52] morning magespawn [07:52] no i forget too [07:53] thats why i let my browser open to over 20 pages daily [07:53] I lost one of barry's files [07:53] and can't find the thing [07:53] use the search [07:54] uhm.......can't remember the filename [07:54] And also can't remember if it's on mail , pc or server lol [07:55] It's defnitely on one of those systems , that I know lol [07:55] ai! [07:56] whats this thing http://tellico-project.org/ [07:58] you should save all barry stuff in a barry folder [07:59] We have a bunch of work folders and in there a bunch of sub folders [07:59] We try and name the folders according to relevance , but there is also some that could be in 3 different subjects [08:00] ai! [08:00] For example , this is a user's application for memory sticks. So did I file under finance , assets , user applications, or region info [08:01] Cos all of those is relevant for this doc :P [08:01] should be user apps [08:01] but user apps should only be user id applications [08:01] when things are relevant in many places save them to all those places [08:02] you say "I'm I.T. staff, not this silly admin nonsense" [08:02] ThatGraemeGuy: I really suck at admin [08:02] me too which is why I do none [08:02] there are people that are paid to do admin well, I'm not one of them [08:03] Kilos: I actually started to do that , if something is relevant to more than one thing I save it in all of those. BUT then comes the problem when it gets updated. Then the " Now which one did I update problem again " [08:03] lol [08:03] ThatGraemeGuy: We asked for an admin clerk , as usual the response was no [08:03] Our poor files is a mess [08:04] who is it you work for? [08:04] nuff said right there [08:05] om Kilos , you should see when it happens when me and barry goes " Maar ek het jou gese jy moet onthou waar ek dit bere , jy moet help onthou " [08:05] lol [08:05] correctional services [08:05] then the inevitable " Nee jy het my niks gese nie , ek kan dit nie onthou nie " lol [08:06] ai! [08:06] Two ou toppies trying to remember stuff , get's very funny [08:06] lol [08:06] Don't tell him I said that :P [08:08] And the less you remember the more docs and manuals you make for yourself and so the cycle get's worse [08:09] i battle with only my stuff, dunno how you guys do so much [08:09] But the digital stuff is ok , eventually we find it. You should check when I try and find something I wrote in last year's diary lol === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away [08:21] mazal: you still write things? [08:33] hi ronaldm [08:34] welcome to ubuntu-za [08:35] magespawn: Defnitely , I have a diary at work and at home I have notepads for stuff to remember [08:36] i almost always lose the notes, can remember that i wrote something somewhere [08:36] brb [08:45] back [08:48] Kilos: thanks for the warm welcome [08:48] we are happy when new people join us ronaldm [08:48] Kilos: I am based in Harare, saw your email on the LoCo mailing list [08:48] if you need some help just state what you need help with [08:49] aha ok then you can join #ubuntu-africa [08:49] thats the channel for all of africa [08:51] Welcome ronaldm [08:52] mazal: thanks [08:55] heh , heard another myth now [08:56] magespawn: I keep mine in one place only , then it can't get lost :) [08:56] Always lying next to my pc [09:07] haha i saved school books full of notes, and that is even harder to find [09:09] mazal i need to get into this idea of having one office, at the moment i tend to carry everything with me [09:11] bbl got to go again [09:15] hmm... [09:15] need clever peeps ideas [09:17] if a tower is upgraded to lte will ones normal modem also be faster even though it cant do the lte bit [09:17] surely the whole signal or bandwidth will be better wont it [09:19] so everything connected to it will be faster [09:20] no idea [09:20] not sure if there are and GSM/LTE techs around here that would know [09:22] well i hope so because ive just asked them to upgrade this tower [09:22] and will get all neighbours to do likewise [09:44] Good q Kilos , would be interesting to know [09:47] logically i think everything connected to it should be faster, cells, tablets pcs etc [09:47] Usually it's never that simple. There is always a BUT [09:48] lol [09:48] I don't think that would be the case at all [09:48] if your device can speak HSDPA it will still speak HSDPA [09:49] I think only LTE enabled devices will benefit [09:49] The rest not [09:49] oh yes ThatGraemeGuy i agree but [09:49] lets figure [09:49] if you have a WiFi 802.11n device, there is no speed benefit for a device that only speaks 802.11g [09:49] similar situation [09:49] to upgrade to lte they must surely increase bandwidth right? [09:49] I agree with Graeme [09:50] backhaul yes [09:50] but that isn't really relevant to your device [09:50] so then , we are having slow speeds now because they say because of all the extra users [09:50] It's like if I plug my 100mb network card into a 1Gig lan , it's still only gonna work at 100mb [09:50] it depends on whether the congestion is on the GSM side or backhaul [09:51] my device is capable of 20mb/s but i get 2 mb/s [09:51] i don't believe that backhaul would be congested [09:51] the wireless likely is [09:51] at times then others over 7mb/s [09:51] so thats because of too many peeps i think [09:52] so if bandwidth is increased it should be able to do better [09:52] your whole argument is based on them adding more backhaul [09:52] i dunno what backhaul is [09:53] that's fat fibre pipes, i don't believe that would be the issue [09:53] backhaul is the fat fibre connection that connects base station comms kit to their backbone [09:53] oh ty [09:53] i think more likely the wireless side is congested [09:54] well i hope upgrading helps [09:54] and like everything, no provider is ever going to say you will get the speed your device supports, they will all say "up to" 20Mbps or whatever [09:54] there just isn't any way to guarantee speed, ESPECIALLY with wireless [09:54] 99% of the time it will be the 'last mile' i.e. the wireless side [09:54] ya but they must fix my side [09:55] they will advertise the speed the technology is capable of, but there's no way you will see that full speed constantly [09:55] the pro gets up to 22mb/s and im stuck down at 2mb/s at times [09:55] you can't compare like that [09:55] im happy when i get 7 meg [09:56] ya but he feeds off a lte tower and me not [09:56] and upgrading a tower costs a ton of money, they aren't just going to do that without all sorts of investigation and financial reports [09:56] oh well all i can do is ask for upgrade [09:57] and hope [09:58] its very lekker to open a web page and not have to wait [10:03] that has less to do with bandwith and more to do with latency [10:03] I only have 2M and pages load quickly for me [10:03] adsl has much lower latency [10:03] if you have 20M of peak bandwith but bad latency, web pages will still suck [10:07] ai! [10:09] * mazal hears the word latency and screams [10:09] Killer for us online gamers that [10:09] Good old ping rate [10:10] a bit of both depending on the web pages [10:10] turning on ad block is a big help :) [10:10] lol i have that [10:10] hate adds [10:11] ugh [10:11] Shees we are standing still today [10:11] Our work network I mean [10:11] but yeah latency is a killer if its a badly written web page, with lots of back and forth, like 100s of little css files or whatever [10:11] trying to get some windows-only piece of crap software working on a vm [10:12] how do people still use this crap? [10:12] What app ? [10:12] with difficulty [10:12] leapfrog connect [10:13] Don't know it sorry , can't be of help [10:13] nobody can :) [10:13] I lost most of my sleep on monday to get a product to still work on XP :/ [10:14] XP!!! Wow ok [10:14] product about to ship, client decides at last minute that it must still support XP, meh [10:14] ouch [10:14] I almost said something now [10:14] But can't judge that badly :P [10:15] It sounds ridiculous but when you look at some of the numbers out their some of them claim more people still use XP than OSX - and nobody acts shocked when people want OSX support :( [10:16] All things bad about Win aside, using an OS that has no security support anymore is just......... [10:16] not condoning it [10:16] but its still ~250 million potential customers that otherwise can't use your software :p [10:17] I'd love to take a stick and beat them all into using another OS of course [10:17] That gives me an idea [10:18] ergh 4-6 weeks lead time on the circuit breakers I want, terrible, I can probably import faster than that :( [10:47] maaz what's for lunch [10:47] mazal: How about some soup? [10:48] maaz what is it with you and soup [10:48] mazal: Not a clue, sorry === raywan is now known as Guest65037 === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus [11:51] weird question, anyone know anything about dual-booting windows 8 and linux? [11:53] Not Win 8 no , last time I did it was Win 7 [11:53] my laptop came with windows 8 in UEFI mode, and I blew it away within minutes [11:53] and now I want to go to dual-boot and I'm lost [11:54] formatted it ? [11:54] I've done nothing, just researching first [11:54] O ok [11:54] ask ubuntu has a nice one this somewhere [11:54] I need to know what I'm in for up front, this is my laptop that I use all the time, can't have it down for a day or two while I'm figuring stuff out [11:54] UEFI is the main pain [11:55] Lemme see if I can find that nice how-to I saw before [11:57] http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported [11:58] Lots of info there ^^ [11:58] thanks, but that's how to install ubuntu with 8 pre-installed [11:59] I already did that 1.5 years ago, I need something different [12:00] What specific you need ? [12:00] hi [12:00] Kilos ? [12:00] Lo melodie [12:01] hi mazal [12:22] What means "hybrid harddisk" ? [12:22] Semi ssd ? [12:23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive [12:24] hmm interesting thanx [12:26] I wonder if Ubuntu support that 2nd part : [12:26] the data placement decisions are performed either entirely by the device (self-optimized mode), or through placement "hints" supplied by the operating system (host-hinted mode). [12:30] oi gtg [12:30] l8tr all , have a nice afternoon === MaNI is now known as Guest3897 === Guest3897 is now known as MaNI [14:57] good afternoon [14:58] hi magespawn [15:00] trying to find out why the network is sporadic [15:01] slow then fast intermittently [15:02] during a download? [15:03] no just general network usage [15:03] do have 80 or so people on the network [15:03] sjoe [15:03] some are downloading stuffs [15:07] yup i think so but the ping times are all over the place an i am losing packets on two locations [15:08] oh my [15:10] i think the one is an alignment issue and the other just crappy equipment [15:12] nothing that would hurt chat, but your youtube might suffer a bit [16:08] And loadshedding starts again, grrr [16:18] indeed [16:18] and my panels are sitting in my lounge unable to help me, so close but still so far, the pain :p [16:51] good evening [17:05] evening inetpro mazal [17:05] Mani i me [17:05] mean grrr [17:06] evening [17:29] hi inetpro MaNI Cryterion_ and superfly [17:29] Hi Kilos, Cryterion_, MaNI and inetpro [17:31] Kilos: the Nikola guys are super helpful. I'm using Nikola for another site, and I asked them for some help and they were exceptionally helpful. [17:32] good superfly [17:32] what could you need help with though [17:34] ? [17:34] not often my fly needs help [17:51] just some internals of Nikola [17:52] aha [17:59] in 1907 Nikola Tesla said "One day every person will have a hand held device that could send text messages to any other person", in 1999 the Blackberry arrived! [18:00] i enjoy the tesla coils in red alert. they really shock the enemy to bits [18:01] lol, I remember that game [18:02] hi Vince-0 wb [18:05] Hi Kilos what's up [18:05] just another day and you? [18:06] hows the business Vince-0 ? [18:07] you made your first million yet? [18:09] ag werk is werk [18:10] ai! [18:13] glad you got everything fixed inetpro , room is empty outa you [18:14] Kilos: what problem? [18:14] sigh [18:14] none so blind as those that will not see [18:16] * inetpro don't know that he had problems [18:16] oh ok then [18:17] i must be the only observant one here [18:17] obzervent [18:17] ai! that [18:17] opletbaar [18:17] "You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding" -Plato [18:17] (speaking about Google) [18:18] http://ma.tt/2015/07/plato-phaedrus/ [18:18] Kilos: you mean this morning? [18:18] yeaasir inetpro [18:18] yessir [18:18] that was not my problem to fix sir [18:18] well thats a matter of opinion [18:18] somebody else also needs to do some work around here :-) [18:19] if you offline here its your problem [18:19] haha [18:19] You guys, communities rise and fall. [18:19] not this one [18:19] Just look at the once-mighty Nairobi LUG. [18:19] we just keep rising [18:20] \o/ [18:20] i wont allow these peeps too fall till i stop breathing [18:20] I'll send you greetings from Georgia. [18:20] Have you seen how they write? [18:20] when you going [18:20] no [18:21] georgia where [18:21] ქართული [18:21] eeeek [18:21] same to you [18:21] The caucasus, my friend. [18:22] stickyboy is that their word for yummy [18:22] where is the caucasus [18:23]