[00:29] <tedg> robert_ancell, I don't think it's actually a u8 branch, it is this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/xmir-support
[00:30] <tedg> robert_ancell, I then made a xeyes.desktop that set the XMir flag and then did "ubuntu-app-launch xeyes"
[00:30] <tedg> robert_ancell, Under Unity 8
[00:33] <robert_ancell> tedg, thanks
[00:39] <tedg> robert_ancell, I think that running under U8 is probably the issue, not the UAL branch. Are you able to run xeyes under U8 or with the demo server?
[00:39] <robert_ancell> tedg, I can run xeyes under U8 using mir_demo_server
[00:39] <robert_ancell> More complex stuff is crashing which I'm trying to find out why at the moment
[00:40] <robert_ancell> tedg, is your stuff running a WM?
[00:40] <tedg> Wait, so you're doing: System Compositor → U8 → Demo Server → XMir → Xeyes ?
[00:41] <tedg> No window management, just Xeyes right now. I was told that Xeyes didn't need a WM.
[00:41] <robert_ancell> Sorry, I mean just running XMir directly. No demo server
[00:41] <robert_ancell> i.e. ssh in, run XMir, run xeyes
[00:41] <robert_ancell> Confused with running demo server on my laptop
[00:41] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[00:41] <tedg> Need to put a kiddo to bed, brb
[00:42] <robert_ancell> np
[00:42] <robert_ancell> I'll be taking a lunch break in a few mins anyway
[01:00] <tedg> robert_ancell, So it's not in my level of the stack to run the WM, that's ChrisTownsend's part. Not sure if that's the issue, but was hoping it'd work without to keep things simple.
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[05:07] <pitti> Good morning
[06:09] <larsu> morning!
[06:13] <pitti> hey larsu, how are you?
[06:20] <larsu> pitti: great thanks! And you?
[06:20] <pitti> larsu: quite fine, thanks!
[06:37] <mitya57> Laney: nope :(
[06:39] <mitya57> When Alberts (Flashback developer) tried to take it over, they said something like "old name is confusing, fork it under a different name"
[06:39] <mitya57> Confusing in sense "gnome-screensaver != screensaver used in gnome"
[06:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:56] <seb128> larsu, bug #1473029 do you know what debug info would be useful if it's a messaging indicator issue?
[06:56] <ubot5> bug 1473029 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "notification (image update, gmail, calls) displayed twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473029
[06:57] <larsu> seb128: information on how to reproduce :D
[06:58] <seb128> larsu, yeah, which people have not, it happens randomnly
[06:59] <larsu> seb128: right. I guess first would be to find out whether it is a bug in indicator-messages or unity8. I'll comment
[06:59] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[07:00]  * larsu checks if there has been any activity on i-messages recently
[07:00] <seb128> and yeah, my question was if there is any log that could help in figuring that out
[07:00] <seb128> I don't think so
[07:00] <larsu> seb128: attaching .cache/upstart/indicator-messages.log won't hurt, though
[07:03] <seb128> right
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[07:35] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:35] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[07:38] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke! und Dir? kein Regen mehr?
[07:38] <seb128> auch gut, danke!
[07:39] <seb128> nee, sonne is zuruck ;-)
[07:39] <seb128> ist
[07:42] <larsu> haha :)
[07:52] <seb128> :-p
[08:00] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <willcooke> hi TheMuso
[08:00] <larsu> morning willcooke !
[08:01] <willcooke> what up larsu
[08:01] <larsu> sky?
[08:01]  * larsu sees himself out
[08:01] <willcooke> ;p
[08:02] <larsu> all good, and you?
[08:02] <Laney> greetings
[08:02] <pitti> hey Laney
[08:02] <pitti> Laney: FYI, I'm currently upstartifying the worker bits
[08:03] <pitti> which turns out to be a lot harder than I thought, but I'll hack on a bit
[08:03] <willcooke> Laney, ham update?
[08:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:05] <Laney> hey pitti, to add 'respawn'?
[08:05] <Laney> willcooke: didn't go :(
[08:05] <willcooke> ha, probably for the best
[08:05] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:05] <pitti> Laney: no, that works fine; but I'm struggling with adding a "stop" script to a "task" upstart job
[08:05] <willcooke> larsu, I'll listen to the radio and see if they have a report
[08:05] <willcooke> erm, Laney ^^
[08:05] <willcooke> sorry larsu
[08:05] <Laney> there's no news on #hamdover
[08:05] <Laney> suspicious
[08:05] <pitti> Laney: which seems to be impossible; there is no RemainAfterExit= equivalent in upstart
[08:05] <willcooke> XD
[08:05] <larsu> willcooke: was slightly confused for 2 seconds
[08:05] <larsu> glad that's over now
[08:06] <pitti> Laney: anyway, no mass-restart of the workers for now; one can restart them individually
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[09:55] <larsu> Laney: that vte issue is slightly annoying..
[09:55] <Laney> no shit
[09:56] <Laney> annoying is trading bugs by reverting commits
[09:56] <larsu> ya....
[09:56] <larsu> I guess because this fix came later?
[09:57] <Laney> later than what?
[09:57] <larsu> the other one
[09:57] <larsu> ah I guess the other bug was introduced by this commit?
[09:57] <Laney> ya
[09:57] <Laney> not that I really understand it
[09:58] <larsu> me neither
[09:58] <Laney> it only started once gnome-terminal was built against the new vte
[09:58] <Laney> which is weird
[09:58] <Laney> and it only happens sometimes which is also weird
[09:59] <Laney> and I don't even understand why it should happen at all unless the theme is overriding padding on VteTerminal
[09:59] <Laney> meh
[10:00] <larsu> even then it shouldn't happen...
[10:02] <Laney> :|
[10:04] <larsu> ya... looks to me like the problem is that vte doesn't calculate the border/padding correctly
[10:05] <larsu> it *should* break any time the theme changes settings
[10:05]  * larsu checks
[10:05] <Laney> great if you can fix it more robustly
[10:08]  * larsu doesn't promise anything L)
[10:08] <larsu> s/L/;
[10:11] <larsu> hehe: Revert "Revert "Add the style [...]""
[10:19] <mzanetti> hey, who's owning the unity8-desktop-session-mir pckage?
[10:26] <willcooke> mzanetti, I think bregma
[10:27] <willcooke> at least he was
[10:28] <mzanetti> thanks
[10:28] <willcooke> yw!
[10:28] <mzanetti> bregma, is there a reason why unity8-desktop-session-mir doesn't pull in mir-graphics-drivers-desktop ?
[10:29] <mzanetti> maybe it can't? but I get many reports of people missing the drivers package and then it's not working for them
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[11:37] <bregma> mzanetti, if you're using an older version of unity8-desktop-session-mir that does not have the workaround for the missing Mir dependecies, you need to upgrade to a newer version of the package
[11:37] <desrt> morning, peeps
[11:42] <larsu> desrt: morning!
[11:42] <larsu> what's up?
[11:44] <desrt> trying to find a citation for the "it's always morning on the internet" thing :)
[11:44] <mzanetti> :D
[11:44] <anpok_> desrt: try the irc logs of #ubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <desrt> :)
[11:44] <desrt> i am trying to explain this concept to some doubtful friends
[11:54] <davmor2> desrt: just tell them to say afternoon all and see how shunned they are ;)
[12:00] <Laney> willcooke: time to tune in
[12:34] <Laney> mitya57: want to push a fix for me anyway? :)
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[13:09] <Laney> willcooke: now!
[13:12] <willcooke> bah in a meeting
[13:12] <Laney> hahaha
[13:12] <Laney> there is a weird twist
[13:12] <Laney> you'll have to iplayer it
[13:17] <seb128> Laney, what are you guys watching?
[13:18] <larsu> something British
[13:18] <Laney> news of the great ham handover that took place in nottingham yesterday
[13:18] <larsu> oh. did you end up going?
[13:18] <Laney> nein
[13:18] <seb128> why not?
[13:18] <larsu> schade
[13:18] <Laney> lazy
[13:18] <seb128> you don't like free meat?
[13:18] <Laney> it's like 10 minutes ride
[13:18] <larsu> ah, way too much
[13:18] <larsu> for some ham
[13:18] <Laney> yeah, hills and everything
[13:19] <seb128> #gtk discussions, shrug
[13:20] <seb128> "- do we know of any user of that code out of nautilus
[13:20] <seb128> - yes elementary filemanager
[13:20] <seb128> - that's fine we have somebody who can patch that
[13:20] <seb128> - anything else? if not that's fine, don't bother about providing compat, we can just change thing in an incompatible way"
[13:20] <seb128> grumpf
[13:22] <larsu> seb128: what is this about?
[13:23] <seb128> larsu, discussions about the gtksidebar
[13:23] <seb128> on #gtk+ an hour ago
[13:23] <seb128> seems like they decided that it's better if they keep it working for existing users at the end
[13:24] <seb128> but the mentality of "let's check things we care about and if there is none then it's fine to land incompatible changes" is grrrr
[13:24]  * larsu reads
[13:25] <seb128> <csoriano> feaneron, aah ok
[13:25] <seb128>  mclasen, hey, feaneron and me were discussing about the other-locations
[13:25] <seb128>  mclasen, so... currently, if some gtk+ client updates to gtk3.18 the sidebar doesn't work as expected
[13:25] <seb128>  
[13:25] <seb128> read from there
[13:25] <seb128> "<csoriano> mclasen, so either, we provide a legacy mode, or we make at some point before 3.18 the otther-location widget public API"
[13:25] <seb128>  
[13:26] <seb128> "<mclasen> csoriano: 'could be' doesn't help - we don't want invest tons of effort into a legacy mode if nobody is 'actually' going to benefit from it"
[13:26] <seb128>  
[13:26] <seb128> enough copying
[13:26] <seb128> but that statement summarize it
[13:27] <larsu> yeah... that's annoying
[13:27] <larsu> GtkPlacesSidebar is kinda weird anyway
[13:28] <seb128> I'm sure they have good reasons to want to change it
[13:28] <seb128> it's just that their "it doesn't affect anyone, we can change it" is just true
[13:28] <seb128> there are random devs out there that got bitten every time they do that and that loose trust in the toolkit
[13:28] <larsu> ya, indeed
[13:29] <seb128> is just not*
[13:30] <larsu> I think it's all lost at this point
[13:30] <seb128> yeah, I guess so
[13:31] <seb128> anyway we need to be careful next time we update gtk
[13:31] <larsu> there are almost no apps outside of the gnome ones that can (or want to) keep up
[13:31] <larsu> yes. Thanks for noticing
[13:31] <seb128> yw!
[14:00] <commander_> hello i am packing a Qt webkit based application am confused what should i put as dependencies my app executable ldd output is here in pastebin http://pastebin.com/mfgdrEtz
[14:00] <ogra_> commander_, cross pasting the same line in all ubuntu channels isnt gonna help
[14:01] <commander_> ogra_, then how can i get help
[14:02] <mitya57> Laney, push to Ubuntu? Which one?
[14:02] <ogra_> you could go to #ubuntu-app-devel which would be the right channel for such questions ...
[14:02] <ogra_> and ...
[14:02] <ogra_> !patience
[14:02] <ubot5> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[14:02] <larsu> oh wow I didn't know about that one :)
[14:03] <ogra_>  !ask mentions it ;)
[14:03] <ubot5> ogra_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[14:03] <ogra_> !ask
[14:03] <ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[14:03] <Laney> mitya57: to git.gnome.org (you have commit there, yes?)
[14:03] <mitya57> No, I don't have any rights at all there…
[14:03] <commander_> thanks ogra_
[14:03] <Laney> oh :)
[14:03]  * Laney goes to bug someone else
[14:03] <Laney> oh laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars
[14:03]  * larsu updates irssi highlight regexp
[14:04] <mitya57> haha
[14:04] <larsu> la+rsu?
[14:05] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/282948 <- review and commit to gnome-screensaver if you like it?
[14:05] <Laney> it is maintainerless
[14:05] <larsu> are you making me the one that touched it last?
[14:05] <Laney> it'll have my name :P
[14:05] <larsu> fair enough :)
[14:06] <Laney> sponsor me for a git account instead :)
[14:06] <mitya57> Btw we have some patches (like port to libsystemd) that can be forwarded as well.
[14:06] <larsu> Laney: apply and put me as vouching for you (I will)
[14:07] <mitya57> Though nobody is going to make new releases, so committing upstream does not help much
[14:07] <larsu> why am I doing that then, Laney?
[14:07] <mitya57> Other distros can notice the patches and cherry-pick them :)
[14:08] <larsu> "awesome"
[14:08] <mitya57> Btw here is a mail I was referring to: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2014-October/msg00088.html
[14:08] <Laney> yeah, there won't be any release
[14:09] <Laney> but at least the fix will be there for others
[14:10] <larsu> Laney: is there a bug we could reference?
[14:10] <Laney> sort of (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752202) but gnome-screensaver is closed for bugs
[14:10] <ubot5> Gnome bug 752202 in gobject "gnome-screensaver-dialog crashed with SIGSEGV in g_signal_handler_disconnect" [Major,New]
[14:11] <Laney> bah, just saw that last comment
[14:11]  * Laney wasted time
[14:11] <larsu> Laney: I should still commit, no?
[14:11] <larsu> this is about tests in glib
[14:11] <Laney> yes
[14:11] <larsu> isn't it?
[14:12] <Laney> two bugs
[14:12]  * larsu nods
[14:14] <larsu> Laney: pushed
[14:14] <Laney> ty1
[14:14] <Laney> !
[14:14] <larsu> ya. apply for an account
[14:14] <larsu> you deserve one
[14:15] <larsu> speaking of which.... going to GUADEC?
[14:15] <Laney> nein
[14:15] <larsu> so no ubuntu folks this year?
[14:16] <larsu> gnome ubuntu maybe?
[14:16] <Laney> happyaron is going
[14:16] <Laney> and FJKong?
[14:17] <larsu> ah cool
[14:42] <ochosi> really hope these land on the desktop at some point, so much nicer than the current icons... http://design.canonical.com/2015/07/the-monochromatic-makeover/
[14:42] <larsu> ah nice
[14:42] <larsu> interesting how they used blurry versions for the old ones
[14:43] <larsu> makes the new ones look even better :)
[14:44] <ochosi> hehe, yeah, that's an evil trick ;)
[14:44] <ochosi> still very nice style improvements and i don't see why it wouldn't work on a desktop/laptop
[14:44]  * ogra_ finds the indicator ones pretty awful 
[14:44] <larsu> indeed!
[14:45] <ogra_> (using them on the phone since a while)
[14:45] <ochosi> larsu: while we're talking, did you have to make any adjustments to light-themes for gtk3.16 aka wily?
[14:45] <ochosi> ogra_: right, i haven't seen/used them on a phone, at least to the eye on the web they look nice
[14:46] <larsu> ochosi: yes, a few fixes for broken apps
[14:46] <larsu> and scrollbars
[14:46] <ochosi> oh could you point me to that?
[14:46] <larsu> they are MRs on ubuntu-themes
[14:46] <ogra_> specifically the network indicator ones ... the rest is ok ... well, and the fact that the volume indicator only has two steps now is really disturbing
[14:47] <ogra_> "loud or quiet" :P
[14:47]  * larsu has never understood the need for a volume indicator on phone
[14:48] <ogra_> helps in crowded environments ... where you want to know it is on full volume before playing that video for your table neihbor
[14:48] <ogra_> +g
[14:49] <larsu> hit the volume-down key?
[14:49] <ogra_> but then it mutes, because it was already low (and i didnt know) :P
[14:49] <seb128> larsu, the indicator is supposed to get mpris controls for player, that should land for the next ota I think
[14:49] <seb128> larsu, also knowing if you phone is muted is nice
[14:49] <larsu> seb128: ah right. totally makes sense for that
[14:50]  * ogra_ likes to have that one view overview about how loud the phone is 
[14:50] <seb128> like a the theatre, did I mute it? just check the icon
[14:50] <larsu> hm, fair enough
[14:50]  * larsu never needs that
[14:50] <ogra_> i could easily live without indicator on the desktop :)
[14:51] <larsu> I use it to pause things sometimes
[14:51] <seb128> I use it to change volume and mute
[14:51] <larsu> (brb)
[14:51] <seb128> like mouse wheel/middle click on the icon
[14:51] <larsu> seb128: I have hw keys for that ;)
[14:51] <ogra_> yeah, same here, my kbds has a touch slider for volume
[14:52] <ogra_> *kbd
[15:03] <bregma> seb128, willcooke, is it still true that we no longer support the ubuntu-desktop-next image and we can just close any related bugs (that do not apply elsewhere)?
[15:04] <ochosi> larsu: thanks, borrowed the :link and .overshoot commits. will see what that other not-yet-merged branch is about...
[15:05] <willcooke> bregma, seb128 it's a yes from me.
[15:09] <willcooke> has anyone used 802.11d
[15:10] <willcooke> it's very obscure this 11d thing, so I think it's probably safe to say we dont need it
[15:10] <willcooke> s/need/need ui support
[15:10] <willcooke> hey sverdy
[15:11] <willcooke> sverdy, looks like Intel Centrino wifi supports it
[15:12] <sverdy> thanks willcooke. do we know what this is used for? and who uses it?
[15:12] <willcooke> doing some searches
[15:15] <seb128> bregma, sure you can close those, though I expect most of the issues apply to the snappy personal image (request to include more software) or are code bugs in unity8&co
[15:17] <willcooke> sverdy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11d-2001
[15:18] <willcooke> sverdy, read the line that starts "The current 802.11 standard defines operations....."
[15:18] <willcooke> I think it just means that if you use wifi in places other than those in that list, then you need D
[15:20] <sverdy> thanks willcooke!
[17:01] <Laney> ttyl!
[17:01] <Laney> (monday)
[17:01] <Laney> (muhahaha)
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[17:30] <willcooke> g'night
[18:29]  * qengho afk.
[20:35] <xclaesse> desrt, any reason why ~/.cache/dconf is owned by root:root on my ubuntu ?
[20:35] <xclaesse> making duplicity fail to make a backup
[20:35] <xclaesse> googling, it seems common and really old issue actually
[20:54] <desrt> xclaesse: i'm guessing it involves running apps under sudo
[20:55] <desrt> but really, nothing should ever be trying to write anything at all to ~/.cache/dconf in the normal case
[20:55] <xclaesse> no idea... :/
[20:55] <desrt> this only happens if XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is unset
[20:55] <xclaesse> even if I'm running app as root, the dconf daemon should still be running as user and be the only writer, no?
[20:56] <desrt> it depends on what sudo is set up to do
[20:56] <desrt> there has been quite a lot of arguing about this over the years
[20:56] <desrt> but the general feeling is "don't run graphical apps under sudo"
[20:56] <desrt> and "we know it's broken, an we won't fix it, because that would only encourage you to do it"
[20:57] <desrt> i think lennart has weighed in fairly heavily on this issue in the past, for example
[22:07] <didrocks> good well, morning I guess :)