[15:00] <caribou> o/
[15:00] <pitti> o/
[15:00] <cyphermox> \o
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <barry> o\
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <robru> aloha
[15:01] <cyphermox> barry: we're just missing o| and o-
[15:01] <barry> ~o
[15:01] <barry> o~
[15:02] <cyphermox> o┘
[15:03] <pitti> hey stgraber, welcome back!
[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:04] <pitti> hey slangasek
[15:06] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:07]  * slangasek buys everyone a little time to finish writing ;)
[15:07] <slangasek> ho, no bot today?
[15:07] <sil2100> uh
[15:07] <sil2100> Oh no
[15:07] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:08] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti)
[15:08] <slangasek> doko caribou cyphermox bdmurray infinity slangasek robru pitti sil2100 barry
[15:08] <barry> \o/
[15:08] <doko> - GCC 5.2 release candidate
[15:08] <doko> - fixed non touch ftbfs in the silo 16 (GCC 5)
[15:08] <doko> - fixed most ftbfs for the libstdc++ transition rebuilds (some will be autoremoved)
[15:08] <doko> - syncs and merges
[15:08] <pitti> wow, this has never fit on one line :(
[15:08] <doko> (done)
[15:08] <caribou> Bugfix:
[15:08] <caribou>  - ifenslave ambigous message (Bug #1326854)
[15:08] <caribou>    * Fix now in debian ifenslave-2.7 needs merging
[15:08] <caribou>  Charm dev
[15:08] <caribou>  - Continued work on Kernel Crash Dump subordinate charm
[15:09] <caribou>  Merges
[15:09] <caribou>  - Continue work on rsyslog merge
[15:09] <caribou>    Need to disable liblogging-stdlog use
[15:09] <caribou> (done)
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * network-manager-applet bug 1418260 + SRU
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * finally released network-manager 0.9.10.0-0ubuntu7 from silo 27
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * debugged NM failing autopkgtests (802.11a failing reproducibly)
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * discussed workflow for NM/ofono patches to packaging branch
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * multipath-tools:
[15:09] <cyphermox>    - investigated how to ignore USB devices and local non-mpath disks
[15:09] <cyphermox>    - prepared much SRUs for Trusty, Vivid for multipath support
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * preparing fwupdate / EFI capsule blueprint
[15:09] <cyphermox>  * debugged wily desktop LVM smoketest failures
[15:09] <cyphermox> ♖
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated proper-ppa support merge proposal based off pitti's feedback
[15:10] <bdmurray> resolved a test failure with apport ppa changes and python2
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated apport retracer hack branch not to generate a StacktraceSource since errors doesn't use it
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have apport updated on the staging retracers
[15:10] <bdmurray> working on bug LP: #1473562
[15:10] <bdmurray> created apt-clone merge proposal to list foreign packages installed
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported livecd-rootfs bug 1471903 (-updates missing from apt lists)
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed merge-o-matic bug LP: #252420 (link to LP page of uploader)
[15:10] <bdmurray> worked on merge-o-matic sorting by age
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated merge-o-matic on the server so merges are sorted by age and display an age (LP: #881487)
[15:10] <bdmurray> investigation into how to fix updated merges section of merge-o-matic output
[15:11] <bdmurray> submitted bug report regarding merge-o-matic and updated section (LP: #1474139)
[15:11] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <robru> no infinity, slangasek?
[15:12] <slangasek> seems not
[15:12] <slangasek>  * ppc64el tracking for 14.04.3
[15:12] <slangasek>  * helping with the gcc5 transition (test uploads to silo)
[15:12] <slangasek>  * SRU processing for 14.04.3
[15:12] <slangasek>  * blueprinting of this cycle's work
[15:12] <slangasek> (done)
[15:12] <robru> * Working closely with IS on the Bileto rollout, many revisions to the mojo spec
[15:12] <robru> * Various minor bugfixes for cu2d and bileto
[15:12] <robru> * Ported queuebot from google spreadsheet to bileto.
[15:12] <robru> (done)
[15:12] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:12] <pitti>  - Adjust snappy setup script for changed ubuntu-device-flash structure in wily
[15:12] <pitti>  - Handle build profiles in build deps parsing (Debian #787093), get rid of local gpg archive signing (#1472691), various smaller fixes
[15:12] <pitti> autopkgtest-cloud:
[15:12] <pitti>  - Roll out non-authoritative cloud tests triggered and displayed in britney; fix fallout in britney, autopkgtest, network config
[15:12] <pitti>  - Add email setup and notification on worker failure (in progress)
[15:12] <pitti>  - brief Laney about current setup, to watch infra while I'm away next week
[15:12] <pitti> systemd: bug fixes (1466790, 1470845, write initial networkd autopkgtest; start adding if-up.d/ support to networkd
[15:12] <pitti> misc:
[15:12] <pitti>  - fix missing ddebs in ddeb-retriever, recovered all possibly missing ddebs since April
[15:12] <pitti>  - build/test first wily langpacks
[15:12] <pitti>  - review/fix/land https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/apport/support-ppa-packages/+merge/263437
[15:13] <pitti>  - merges: lvm2, ifupdown, sane-backends
[15:13] <pitti> plan: holiday next week and the Monday after
[15:13] <pitti> 🔚
[15:13] <pitti> 🔚
[15:13] <pitti> bah! my shiny little END char isn't displaying
[15:13] <slangasek> it shows here
[15:13] <cyphermox> yep
[15:13] <sil2100> o/
[15:13] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:13] <sil2100> - Manually prepare updates of all language packs for ubuntu touch OTA-5 re-spin
[15:14] <sil2100> - Rebuild the OTA-5 candidate
[15:14] <sil2100> - Leading the RTM status meeting
[15:14] <sil2100> - Commitlog generation scripts:
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Enabling fully automated commitlog generation on canonistack
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Code refactoring for better testability
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Started work on enabling support of bileto
[15:14] <sil2100> - Investigating issue with custom dconf overrides not working for certain update cases
[15:14] <sil2100> - Adding qml-module-qtbluetooth to the seeds
[15:14] <sil2100> - Prepare OTA-5 snapshot to the snapshot PPA for the arale dconf bug-fix
[15:14] <sil2100> - Discussions regarding Qt 5.5 and gcc-5 transitions
[15:14] <sil2100> - Prepare quick tool for lising overlay-PPA source packages from manifests
[15:14] <sil2100> - Started preparing release notes for OTA-5
[15:14] <sil2100> - Lower work capacity due to not feeling too good
[15:14] <sil2100> (done)
[15:14] <sil2100> (no fancy UTF-8 signs)
[15:14] <sil2100> ;)
[15:14] <barry> python 3.5 transition.  ~80% passing builds in ppa, new python3-defaults w/3.5 enabled but not default uploaded to wily, blocked in proposed.  first step: clear proposed.  then: mass rebuild and ftbfs fixes.  LP: #1474882
[15:14] <barry> LP: #1473577 and new upstream/PyPI/Debian release
[15:14] <barry> python-packaging 15.2-1, tox 2.1.1-1
[15:14] <barry> git-dpm transition for dpmt.  we are ready to go!
[15:15] <barry> looking again into rewheel to solve the wheel/pip/virtualenv problem.
[15:15] <barry> upgraded main dev box to wily
[15:15] <barry> --done--
[15:15] <doko> barry, how many are 20%?
[15:15] <barry> doko: 219
[15:15] <doko> ugh
[15:15] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults (enabling 3.5) has quite a lot of test fallout too
[15:15] <barry> well, it's long tail universe stuff mostly (django being the exception)
[15:16] <barry> pitti: indeed, i'm starting with those.  couldn't do dep-8 testing in ppa really
[15:16] <pitti> some looks simple, like python-apt trips over some new deprecation warnings etc.
[15:16] <pitti> barry: I hope I have PPA dep-8 support working in at most a month :)
[15:16] <barry> pitti: :)
[15:17] <barry> pitti: yep.  haven't yet decided whether to allow-stderr, add __future__ warning or fix the generators.  this is pep 479
[15:17] <barry> fallout
[15:19] <slangasek> alright, anything else on status we should discuss?
[15:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:21] <slangasek> or anything else going on?
[15:21] <slangasek> anyone have fun vacations planned this summer? :)
[15:21] <pitti> we'll go bicycling and tenting through the alps next week
[15:21] <bdmurray> I'm going to hike into the crater of Mt St Helens
[15:22] <doko> going to GCC land ...
[15:22] <barry> fixing python 3.5 failures
[15:22] <cyphermox> Ingress! almost made it to level 7 last night
[15:22] <bdmurray> I already did this https://www.flickr.com/photos/84343144@N00/sets/72157652925369914
[15:22] <caribou> cyphermox: I'm about to remove it from my phone, haven't played in months
[15:23] <slangasek> doko: GCCland, sounds like a strange island with lots of sharp pointy bits
[15:23] <cyphermox> bdmurray: very cool!
[15:23] <pitti> bdmurray: wow, that looks deep!
[15:23] <cyphermox> there's lots of different scientific research outings over here, I just never have the opportunity to go
[15:23] <bdmurray> oh, to be clear I was a sherpa for them. I didn't go into the caves.
[15:24] <cyphermox> still :)
[15:25] <bdmurray> still indeed! If all goes well I should be sherpa'ing up Mt Rainier too.
[15:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: hopefully not this one http://q13fox.com/2015/07/07/crews-work-to-recover-body-of-34-year-old-woman-in-ice-cave-collapse/
[15:26] <doko> heh, ice man
[15:26] <slangasek> (you know, the one that had signs posted warning people to stay out)
[15:27] <bdmurray> no, these are on the summit of Rainier
[15:27] <pitti> yeah, it took Ötzi like 20.000 years before they found him :)
[15:27] <slangasek> well yes, but he was stabbed in the back and left to die, totally different
[15:28] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:28] <slangasek> that's probably everything we need to cover then
[15:28] <ogra_> you guys *never* have a thunder round after the lightning round
[15:28]  * slangasek waves his fake gavel around
[15:28] <caribou> slangasek: thanks!
[15:28] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:28] <cyphermox> ogra_: you just need to wait longer, we're *that* fast
[15:29] <ogra_> haha
[15:29] <davmor2> ogra_: they do it's just you can't hear anything
[15:29] <barry> thanks!
[15:29] <pitti> ogra_: ⛈
[15:29] <ogra_> davmor2, IRC builtin noise reduction ?
[15:30] <cyphermox> IRC has perfect noise reduction
[15:30] <pitti> ogra_: actually, this is better: 🌩
[15:31] <ogra_> pitti, my font doesnt seem to have either :(
[16:54] <davmor2> ogra_: it looks like this 🌩 :D
[16:55] <teward> 0x01F329 - blah no rendering of it in hexchat :P
[17:06]  * pleia2 waves
[17:06] <pleia2> CC meeting time
[17:06] <pleia2> rounding up other folks
[17:08] <pleia2> while we wait, anyone from ubuntu studio or xubuntu here?
[17:08] <Unit193> Nope.
[17:09] <pleia2> hey dpm
[17:09] <dpm> o/
[17:09] <pleia2> just me so far, seeing if I can find anyone else
[17:09] <pleia2> ah, there's Cprofitt_
[17:09] <dpm> ok, cool
[17:09] <pleia2> mhall119 said he can't make it, not sure about czajkowski
[17:09] <pleia2> seems dholbach logged off for the day already
[17:10] <Cprofitt_> I am on vacation... And on my tablet using webchat.
[17:10] <dpm> ok
[17:10] <Cprofitt_> So may make spelling mistakes and be slow
[17:10] <dpm> yes, dholbach told me he had to go
[17:10] <pleia2> alright, might as well get started anyway
[17:10] <pleia2> #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Council
[17:11] <pleia2> and not bot
[17:11] <pleia2> s/not/no
[17:11] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[17:11] <pleia2> boo
[17:11] <pleia2> alright!
[17:11] <dpm> seems it's off for the day too :)
[17:11] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda#General_Agenda_Items_and_Proposals
[17:12] <pleia2> since we don't have anyone from studio/xubuntu yet, we can jump in to dpm's agenda item
[17:12] <pleia2> #topic CLS topics review and prioritization
[17:12] <dpm> wfm
[17:12] <dpm> so essentially the topic is about reviewing the brainstorming topics on this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bimzQVB3YMBmTPZhX9LWtBn7BMJ__pMuDxvSrDaQd24/edit#
[17:13] <pleia2> several of us find ourselves at CLS this weekend (czajkowski is even doing a plenary!) so the CC is meeting up with dpm of the community team at canoniocal
[17:13] <pleia2> and yeah, brainstorming on that doc on topics
[17:13] <dpm> \o/
[17:13] <dpm> yeah, so for those not familiar to the topic, essentially, that is the context ^
[17:13] <pleia2> seeking to narrow it down to a few talking points that we can bring up as CLS sessions to talk to the broader community... community about to see who has similar issues, advice, etc
[17:14] <pleia2> then on Monday/Tuesday we're going to talk about them more Ubuntu-specificy and see what action items can come out of it
[17:14] <pleia2> so I might as well just dive on in with what I think is important, since others couldn't make it
[17:14] <dpm> exactly
[17:14] <dpm> ok, cool
[17:15] <pleia2> 1. Declining participation
[17:15] <pleia2> the document notes this both for LoCos and Summits
[17:15] <pleia2> seems that's one that will have broad appeal
[17:16] <dpm> I suggested to pick a few (5, but it doesn't need to be this exact number)
[17:16] <pleia2> 2. Community cohesion
[17:16] <pleia2> I think we've lost a lot since having UDS in person, not sure how others have been feeling
[17:17] <pleia2> obviously doing UDS again isn't the answer (for all the reasons Canonical stopped doing them) but I feel quite disconnected these days
[17:17] <pleia2> 3. Barriers related to [the perception of] company-driven control and development
[17:18] <pleia2> perception of closed door dealings, invite-only sprints, employees treating community members like customers at events
[17:19] <dpm> I've just changed to docs points to numbers to make it easier to refer to them
[17:19] <dpm> pleia2, would the "declining participation" topic map to any of the existing ones in the doc, or shall we just add a new one?
[17:19] <dpm> I could see it being part of 3. or 5.
[17:19] <dpm> but as we were talking about generalizing them, we might just rewrite it
[17:19] <dpm> for the record, I also think that one is important
[17:19]  * dpm takes notes
[17:20] <dpm> I'd also pick "lack of a new generation of leaders"
[17:20] <pleia2> dpm: re declining participation, I'd put 2 & 3 from the google doc together
[17:20] <pleia2> and 5
[17:20] <pleia2> ++ lack of new leaders
[17:20] <pleia2> my #2 maps to 12 on the document
[17:21] <Cprofitt_> I think 9 and 12 are important, but will not be in attendance. I will submit some thoughts on both before the event if they are chosen.
[17:21] <pleia2> and my #3 to 8, 9 and 10
[17:21] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: thanks
[17:22] <pleia2> Iseug s 7 too
[17:22] <ochosi> without wanting to disrupt your meeting, i'm here now
[17:22] <pleia2> er, "I guess"
[17:22] <pleia2> ochosi: thanks!
[17:22] <dpm> Cprofitt_, your feedback will be really useful, thanks!
[17:22] <pleia2> those are the important ones for me
[17:23]  * dpm takes notes
[17:23] <Cprofitt_> Overall I am concerned with the CC taking a. more active roll in developing opportunities for community involvement.
[17:23] <dpm> thanks pleia2
[17:24] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: you want the CC to take a more active roll, or not?
[17:24] <Cprofitt_> Both development and non development work.
[17:24] <pleia2> *role
[17:24] <Cprofitt_> More active
[17:25] <pleia2> that might be a different conversation, we're already quite busy as it is, I can't speak for everyone but I wouldn't have time to add to my CC workload
[17:25] <Cprofitt_> I think the current passive roll is not serving the community as well as an active role would
[17:26] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: maybe an agenda item for our next CC meeting?
[17:26] <pleia2> I'd like to hear from other CC members on this, maybe I'm just more busy than most :)
[17:26] <dpm> without being in the CC, I also think it's an important topic, but it might be a bit too specific for CLS. Happy to join another meeting if it's part of the agenda and I can help in any way with the discussion
[17:27] <pleia2> dpm: so we have 4 topics, shall we each submit one at CLS? (you, mhall119, czajkowski and me)
[17:27] <dpm> that would be quite a good match, yeah
[17:28] <dpm> I think if we feel we need to have an extra one, we can add it to the meeting outside of CLS
[17:28] <pleia2> sounds good
[17:28] <pleia2> dpm: anything else you wanted to talk about now?
[17:29] <dpm> pleia2, not specifically, I had a call with Jono about logistics, perhaps we can discuss it offline after this meeting has finished? It's about the organization and schedule for the meeting, but I'm not sure it's interesting for anyone other than the attendees
[17:30] <pleia2> dpm: outside meeting sounds good, thanks
[17:30] <pleia2> I'll also do a blog post later today about our plans, might be some more community feedback I can grab too
[17:30] <dpm> excellent
[17:31] <dpm> then I think that was all I had, in any case, we'll see each other in person before starting - you said you'd be there for the pre-CLS evening event, IIRC?
[17:31] <pleia2> dpm: thanks for coming, and again for handling logistics
[17:31] <pleia2> I'm really excited that we were able to arrange this all in short notice :)
[17:31] <dpm> yeah :)
[17:31] <pleia2> dpm: yep, I get to Portland around 3:30PM tomorrow
[17:31] <Cprofitt_> I view it as a framework as we discuss the items on the list for cls
[17:31] <pleia2> so I'll go to the pre-event thing Friday night
[17:31] <dpm> pleia2, cool, I think I'll be there at around 18:00, so I'm planning to be at the pre-event too
[17:32] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: think you could send a mail to the CC list about it and we'll follow up next meeting?
[17:32] <pleia2> dpm: great, see you tomorrow! :)
[17:32] <dpm> \o/
[17:32]  * pleia2 needs to pack
[17:32] <pleia2> ok, let's move this meeting along
[17:32] <pleia2> #topic Xubuntu catch-up
[17:32] <pleia2> hi ochosi and Unit193!
[17:32] <Unit193> I'm not here.
[17:32] <Cprofitt_> Yes
[17:33] <Cprofitt_> When I get home tomorrow morning
[17:33] <pleia2> Cprofitt_: great, thanks
[17:34] <ochosi> pleia2: note that i've never been part of a CC meeting so i might have to be told what is expected of me or what you'd like to know
[17:34] <pleia2> ochosi: oh! so we pretty much just say hello, make sure things are going well with Xubuntu, see if there are any problems we can help with or anything
[17:35] <pleia2> we found that teams weren't coming to us with problems, so check in once a cycle gives them an opportunity to have our ear for a bit
[17:35]  * pleia2 switchhat
[17:35] <ochosi> heh, i see
[17:35] <pleia2> as xubuntu community member, I've been really impressed with the work lately
[17:35]  * micahg_work isn't here either
[17:35] <pleia2> 15.04 was a great release (woo Xfce 4.12)
[17:36]  * Unit193 high fives micahg_work.
[17:36] <ochosi> right, so far things are running smoothly. the only not-smooth thing was elfy leaving xubuntu and the larger community, that was unexpected and fairly sad. and to be frank, i havent understood what was going on there (have to admit though that i also wanted to stay out of that kubuntu conflict so i didn't do too much reading)
[17:37] <pleia2> yeah, obviously the CC feels the elfy-loss pain right with you :(
[17:37] <ochosi> other than that i have the feeling we have a great team
[17:37]  * pleia2 switchhat again
[17:37] <pleia2> how is testing going without him?
[17:38] <ochosi> well, we decided to do more exploratory, RL testing with 15.10 due to a lack of contribution in the QA area
[17:38]  * pleia2 nods
[17:38] <ochosi> so in this sense it's just that we have less people doing those tests and nobody coordinating them for the moment
[17:38] <ochosi> i hope we'l have time to figure that out after 15.10
[17:38] <pleia2> yeah :\
[17:39] <pleia2> hope so!
[17:39] <pleia2> anything else on your mind?
[17:39] <pleia2> we're going to chat with the studio team in a moment, and I know there's some overlap because Xfce
[17:40] <ochosi> not really, i mean we're always happy to gain more contributors, but that seems hard these days
[17:40] <micahg_work> I think overall Xubuntu is doing well, there's more work happening in Debian and most of the Xubuntu devs have Debian Xfce VCS access
[17:40] <ochosi> i read that you mentioned a lack of influx of new members and/or leaders, i would say that is true for xubuntu too
[17:40] <pleia2> hopefully we'll get some tips from other community leadership summit folks this weekend to help that situation ubuntu-wide
[17:40] <pleia2> micahg_work: that's wonderful to hear
[17:40] <pleia2> ochosi: nods
[17:41] <ochosi> i mean many of you know that here, but in xubuntu we've been pretty much the same team for 2 years or so
[17:41] <ochosi> the upside is that we have a stable team, but the downside is that there is obviously little influx of fresh energy/womanpower
[17:41] <pleia2> yeah, totally
[17:41] <pleia2> and when people do need to leave, there's no replacement
[17:42] <ochosi> and i would argue that partly this is due to xfce being a bit dormant, and partly due to developments like RL UDS not taking place anymore
[17:42]  * pleia2 nods
[17:42] <ochosi> i really feel you when you say you feel "disconnected" at times
[17:42]  * ochosi hasn't been to FOSDEM or any other FOSS conferrence in more than two years
[17:43] <pleia2> hah, yeah, I went to FOSDEM this year but none of my xubuntu friends did! ;)
[17:43] <ochosi> yeah, it used to be *the* meeting place for xfce folks
[17:43]  * micahg_work hasn't been to one for almost 3 :(
[17:43] <pleia2> yeah
[17:44]  * Unit193 has never been to one.
[17:44] <ochosi> there's that downside of being spread across continents again...
[17:45]  * pleia2 nods
[17:45] <pleia2> ok, well looking at the clock I think we can migrate into chatting about ubuntu studio
[17:45] <ochosi> well but to end this on a positive note: my general impression of the xubuntu community is really good, i don't see any troubles ahead
[17:45] <pleia2> thanks for your feedback ochosi, this is super userful
[17:45] <pleia2> yay :)
[17:45] <micahg_work> I wonder if a virtual Xubuntu hangout (or FOSS equivalent) once in a while would help
[17:45] <ochosi> no worries
[17:46] <holstein> personally, i feel ubuntustudio's move to xfce was very timely.. and the xubuntu team has really helped keep it going.. with testing assistance.. etc
[17:46] <ochosi> micahg_work: yeah, we once tried that and it was great, but there were some privacy concerns about putting those meetings online
[17:46] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Studio catch up
[17:46] <pleia2> hey holstein!
[17:46] <pleia2> holstein: that's great to hear
[17:48] <pleia2> holstein: studio is just doing LTS releases, right?
[17:48] <holstein> nope
[17:48] <holstein> though, i think that would be something worth discussing
[17:48] <pleia2> oh, sorry :)
[17:49] <pleia2> any place you see currently stuck or struggling with? (particularly that the CC might be able to help with?)
[17:50] <holstein> well, the team is just quite small..
[17:50] <holstein> zequence is really the only "code contributor", as far as i see
[17:51]  * pleia2 nods
[17:51] <holstein> i need to personally free up more time to contribute setting up meetings, etc. otherwise, we dont have meetings
[17:51] <pleia2> meetings are deceptively hard to keep going
[17:52] <holstein> and, we may not need to.. but, , AFAICT, the team lead position is handed off, and has been, for years, in private, to a person who gets burned out after a few cycles
[17:52] <pleia2> I know how that goes :( so are you kind of functioning without a lead?
[17:52] <holstein> zequence has been the lead, and doing a great job of it
[17:53] <pleia2> oh good
[17:55] <holstein> its great to see the xubuntu team, and the regularity.. the stable development
[17:55] <pleia2> well, anything else before we wrap up?
[17:55]  * pleia2 nods
[17:55] <holstein> taking care of business!
[17:56] <pleia2> :)
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks for joining us, holstein
[17:57] <holstein> pleia2: cheers!
[17:57] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:57] <pleia2> I think that's it, and I'm the last CC person here, so :)
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks everyone, looking forward to CLS this weekend
[17:57] <pleia2> #endmeeting