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=== Symmetri1 is now known as Symmetria
Kilosmorning all04:55
Symmetriaheh 04:57
Symmetriakilos wanna see something mindblowing04:57
Symmetria:) how are you btw04:57
mazalMore oom04:57
Kilosim ok ty and you, i dont have data for vids04:57
mazalMore Symmetria04:57
Kilostell me about it04:57
Kiloshi mazal 04:57
Symmetriahttp://www.speedtest.net/result/4507060258.png <==== look at that speed test, and forget where it was taken.... just think about this.... it was taken *OVER WIFI*04:57
Kilosoh thats ok04:58
Symmetriaheh those are my new wifi AP's at home 04:58
mazalThings like that just makes me angry04:58
Kiloswow04:58
Symmetriaheh, I bought two AP's when I was in za on Monday04:59
Symmetriainterestingly enough that is the fastest of the two, its a dlink 04:59
Symmetriathe other one I get around 450mbit up and down04:59
Symmetria(other one was cheaper, and is made by apple)04:59
Kilosd-link make good equipment04:59
Symmetriaheh, so, recommendation04:59
SymmetriaAC3200 D-Link 04:59
mazalHere in SA we must just pay for everyone's greed and get no service for it04:59
Symmetriaor Airport Extreme by Apple 04:59
Symmetriaeither one of those are fantastic 05:00
Kiloseven the d-link usb modems are better05:00
Symmetria(but if you want that kinda wireless speed, that AC3200 is the only dlink that can do it, and they are pretty pricey)05:00
Symmetriaone warning about 802.11ac though05:01
Kiloswell here its useless having fast equipment unless you have ftth connection05:01
Symmetriait will *chew* battery on the client devices05:01
Symmetriakilos depends what you doing on your home network05:01
Symmetriaif you moving stuff around your home network or trying to stream 4k video or something05:02
Symmetria:)05:02
Kilosoh ya for local05:02
Symmetriafast wifi is good05:02
Kiloslocal never was a prob, its our internet that sucks05:02
Symmetriaheh but 802.11ac is so new that not THAT much supports it yet 05:03
Symmetrialike, macbooks have done since late 2013 05:03
Symmetriathe S5 and S6 samsung phones support it05:03
Symmetriaand the iphone 6 supports it05:03
Symmetriabut beyond that, not a huge amount 05:03
* mazal waits for donkie kar server to restart05:04
stickyboySymmetria: \o/05:19
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:43
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 07:24
PadroniMorning all07:25
Kiloshi Padroni 07:25
Padronihow are you?07:26
Kilosgood ty and you?07:26
PadroniI am good 07:26
Padronijust tired :/07:26
Kilosagain07:26
Padronistill07:26
Padronimy son is cutting teeth07:26
Padronihe wakes us between 4 and 8 times a night07:27
Kilosouch07:27
Padroniso I have a grumpy baby and a grumpy wife07:27
Padronibecause my life isn't complicated enough as it is07:28
Kiloslol07:28
Padronibought me a nice 250Gb SSD earlier the week07:29
Padroniso gonna swop it out with the 128GB one I have in my laptop07:29
Padroniand move the 128 to my desktop07:29
Kilosnice07:33
Padronithese ssd's are fast07:38
Padroni550Mb read / 530Mb write per second07:38
Padronicrazy07:38
Padroniread / write obviously not at once 07:38
Kilosyeah when i tried one it flew07:39
* mazal stares and a wheel that turns but nothing happens07:39
mazalHi Padroni07:39
Padronihi mazal07:39
Padronihoe gaan dit?07:39
mazalBesig maar goed dankie en daar ?07:39
Padronisame old, same old07:40
Padroniis there an effective way to move a user account (about 55GB) from one ubuntu install to another?07:40
Padronior should I just copy over the data manually?07:40
mazalSame OS and flavour Padroni ?07:41
Padroniyeah, 'buntu 140407:41
mazalI wanted to say how I would do , but will probably be in the dogbox. Rather wait for the clever guys07:42
mazalYay the wheel stopped turning !!!! That was only about 15 minutes to get a user's properties screen open :P07:43
Padroniwhaaaaat?07:45
Padroniwhy so long?07:45
Padroniyou runnign RAT via dial-up?07:45
Padronigprs?07:45
PadroniEdge?07:45
mazalI am creating new users , on a MS AD domain , over a WAN that has only 1mb line , with 210 pc's on it currently all busy doing Win 7 updates07:45
mazalPatience is needed to say the least07:46
Padronijeez07:46
Padronimy I ask07:46
Padroniwould it not be better07:46
Padronito have one pc download all updates07:46
Padroniand have all pc's update from that pc?07:46
mazalNot my choice remember07:47
mazalI must do the work , but may not make any choices or suggestions'07:47
PadroniFucking management.  They will be the death of us all.07:47
Padronipardon my french07:47
ThatGraemeGuyugh07:47
mazalHead Office set up the updates to ran from a server at their side07:47
ThatGraemeGuywhy do you people let yourselves be stepped on like that07:47
mazalBut non of the clowns thought about our poor bandwidth on the WAN07:47
* Padroni is with ThatGraemeGuy on this 07:48
mazalOk new user screen apeared , now I can continue for 5 minutes before I need to wait again lol07:48
Padronihow are you, ThatGraemeGuy?07:49
ThatGraemeGuylekker thanks, you?07:50
Padronistil 07:51
Padronitired but fine07:51
PadroniI am currently in the market for a new DSL provider.07:51
SquirmMorning07:51
PadroniUncapped, with SSH / VPN services available, dedicated IP if possible, and not on the MTN backbone.07:51
ThatGraemeGuyif uncapped and you are willing to schedule heavy downloads between midnight and 08:00, crystalweb home premium07:51
PadroniFor under R700 if possible.07:51
Padroniurl?07:52
Padronimust not be on MTN backbone07:52
ThatGraemeGuywww.crystalweb.co.za07:52
* mazal cicks the finish button and goes for a sb while wheel is turning07:52
PadroniI am currently with Afrihost and their latency is f*cking with my SSH sessions07:52
mazal^5 Padroni07:52
ThatGraemeGuyyeah afrihost has lost the plot07:52
mazalMTN backbone sucks07:52
Padroni'they are working on it'07:52
Padroniin the mean time07:52
PadroniI have threatened Telkom with physical violence (went to their shop and threatened to shoot up the place) if they don't sort out my line07:53
Padronihad Telkom's guys come and replace the 50-core cable in my whole street in self defense07:53
ThatGraemeGuyfor anyone else reading, please don't do that07:53
Padronionly to now find out it was Afrihost all along07:53
ThatGraemeGuyeish07:53
ThatGraemeGuyyou know you can get a free 1GB account from just about anyone nowadays07:54
PadroniTHIS is why I don't qualify for a firearm licence.07:54
PadroniI go through between 6 and 10Gb a day07:54
ThatGraemeGuyI have a bunch, if stuff starts acting up, I try a few others to see if its a telkom or isp issue07:54
Padroni1Gb is not enough...07:54
ThatGraemeGuy1gb is for testing, smarty pants07:54
PadroniI know07:54
Padronibut I am running a vpn via untangle07:55
Padronisuch a schlep to change the settings all the time07:55
Padroninecessary evil though, I guess.07:55
ThatGraemeGuyif you need serious service and performance you ought to be paying for a business account anyway07:55
PadroniI am currently on a Afirhost business package07:55
ThatGraemeGuywell not with them, duh07:55
PadroniYou'd think the service would be better07:56
PadroniYou'd be wrong.07:56
ThatGraemeGuyno you wouldn't if you've been paying attention to the buzz in the industry :)07:56
PadroniI don't follow the buzz around dsl providers, to be honest07:56
Padronimy attention is on opsec and infosec07:56
Padroniso I am late to the party with this MTN thing07:56
Padroni"Click to run Adobe Flash Player"07:57
PadroniThat makes me nervous...07:57
mazalTheir issues started more than a year ago already08:03
mazalThen it was better for a while and the about a month ago things collapsed again08:03
mazalClosed my account at them completely08:03
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
ThatGraemeGuymazal: you've run ubuntu off an external disk before yes?08:19
mazalThatGraemeGuy: Yep , for a long time08:25
ThatGraemeGuywhat was on the internal drive when you did that?08:26
mazalWin 708:26
ThatGraemeGuyI've transplanted my O/S to external and installed grub there, but i suspect that when i boot its still loading grub from the internal hdd08:26
ThatGraemeGuyeven if i specifically select external hdd as boot device08:27
ThatGraemeGuyalthough if i select Ubuntu on /dev/sda2 from grub menu, it loads my O/S from external just fine08:27
ThatGraemeGuyconfused08:27
mazalYou have grub on both drives ?08:28
ThatGraemeGuyyes08:28
ThatGraemeGuyI'm going to put windows 8 on the internal hdd but i don't want to do that until I'm sure that I'm booting completely independently from the external08:28
mazalBut external can't be sda2 , should be sdb108:28
ThatGraemeGuysorry it is, typo08:29
ThatGraemeGuysdb208:29
ThatGraemeGuysdb1 is an NTFS partition with stuff on it08:29
ThatGraemeGuydoesn't really matter though08:29
mazalAll I can think is the grub install to sdb didn't install correct08:29
mazalOR UEFI is enabled08:29
ThatGraemeGuylet me see if i can disable the internal hdd in bios maybe08:29
ThatGraemeGuynot UEFI not currently enabled, but will be for win 808:30
mazalhmmm08:30
ThatGraemeGuywill external not work then? this UEFI stuff is beyond me08:30
mazalTry disble internal , just to test external's grub08:30
ThatGraemeGuyyeah let me do that quickly08:30
mazalAnd by "transplanted" you mean ? Fresh install or something else ?08:32
ThatGraemeGuynope, refuses to boot from external08:34
ThatGraemeGuywell refuses to load grub from it anyway08:34
mazal^^ previous question08:35
ThatGraemeGuytransplanted: booted livecd, rsync data from /dev/sda1->/dev/sdb2 and /dev/sda5->/dev/sdb308:35
ThatGraemeGuy/ and /home, respectively08:35
mazalDid you remember to check grub.cong UUID's08:35
mazalSometime , even after grub install the UUID's still point to wrong drive in grub.conf08:36
mazalIt might have the source's config still08:36
ThatGraemeGuythen mount / and /home of the external, bind mount /dev /proc /sys /run, chroot into external hdd, update-initramfs -k all -u, update-grub, grub-install /dev/sdb08:36
ThatGraemeGuyupdate-grub fixes that08:36
ThatGraemeGuyand if that were the case then I would not be able to boot it at all08:36
ThatGraemeGuythis is simply that grub does not load from the external hdd for some reason08:37
mazaland the obvious " boot from usb" in bios is enabled ne ?08:37
ThatGraemeGuyits the only device enabled for booting08:37
ThatGraemeGuyno grub08:37
mazaldamn08:37
mazalSize of external ?08:38
ThatGraemeGuy1TB08:38
ThatGraemeGuyrelevance?08:38
mazalDo you have seperate /boot partition ?08:38
ThatGraemeGuyno08:38
mazalOne of my 1TB's refused to boot external until I made /boot seperate 2gig partition08:38
ThatGraemeGuyseems unnecessary08:39
mazalWas only on a laptop08:39
mazalAnd was the only thing that fixed it08:39
mazalBooted fine on desktop pc , refused on laptop , then tried that and worked08:39
ThatGraemeGuymeh08:39
mazalI don't know why08:40
ThatGraemeGuyI'm done, will do it some other way some other time08:40
mazalIs the only thing I can think of  , otherwise you covered all bases08:40
mazalTry boot it from a desktop pc and see what happens08:40
ThatGraemeGuypartitions same size on external as on internal, that doesn't make sense08:44
ThatGraemeGuyI'm done, back in internal08:44
ThatGraemeGuywill tackle this another day08:44
mazalDo you need that Win 8 btw ?08:46
ThatGraemeGuyneed to get to grips with this UEFI business08:46
ThatGraemeGuyyes, the laptop came with Win 8 in UEFI mode, so the product key is embeded in the firmware08:46
ThatGraemeGuyand you must install in UEFI mode to make use of it08:46
mazalBloody MS08:47
ThatGraemeGuyif you try and install Win 8 in BIOS mode, and provide the extracted key, it will supposedly reject the key08:47
mazalI hate that MS crap08:47
ThatGraemeGuyso I need to fully re-do the laptop, including installing Ubuntu in UEFI mode too08:47
ThatGraemeGuyUEFI isn't MS crap it was developed by a consortium of 140-odd tech companies08:48
mazalI was reffering to the keys and moeny side08:48
mazalBut they probably have no choice with all the pirating08:49
ThatGraemeGuymaybe I can figure out why that software won't work in a VM08:52
MaNIwhat error does it give? :)09:14
PadroniThatGraemeGuy: what do you use for VM's?09:16
ThatGraemeGuyMaNI: its supposed to install a driver, which it doesn't seem to do for some readon09:17
ThatGraemeGuyreason09:17
ThatGraemeGuyPadroni: virtualbox09:17
Padronithought so09:18
Padronime too09:18
Padronihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpQ1fRQAto09:19
PadroniThat looks nice though09:19
PadroniXenserver setup.09:19
ThatGraemeGuygoing to try vmware, perhaps it maps usb devices to guests differently09:19
Padronivm is paid-for software, is it not?09:19
ThatGraemeGuyvmware player is free09:20
Padronibut it is also enterprise level virtualization09:20
Padronihmmm09:20
Padroniwhich is the best ?09:20
MaNIkvm :)09:20
Padronidon't have any experience with vmware yet09:20
ThatGraemeGuy"enterprise level virtualization" is meaningless marketing speak09:20
PadroniI don't know of any big companies using virtualbox09:21
Padronithat is what I meant09:21
ThatGraemeGuyvmware is a company too, not a product09:21
ThatGraemeGuythey have products that cover the entire spectrum09:22
PadroniI am talking about their products...09:22
ThatGraemeGuyand vmware player is probably the simplest of the lot09:22
ThatGraemeGuyits more or less equivalent to virtualbox09:22
MaNIvirtualbox - (just checking) you have tried setting a direct passthrough for the usb device in question, right?09:22
ThatGraemeGuyis that where i map it to the vm in it's settings, rather than just connecting it on-the-fly using the device menu?09:23
MaNIyeah09:24
ThatGraemeGuyyeah, did that09:24
ThatGraemeGuyit sees the device in device manager but it comes up as an onrecognised USBMS device for which it can't find a driver09:25
ThatGraemeGuyso I guess there's some translation happening at the usb layer rather than a real untainted pass-thru09:25
MaNI:/09:26
mazalMaaz you know what I want now09:59
Maazmazal: *blink*09:59
mazalMaaz food09:59
Maazmazal: Excuse me?09:59
PadroniI have to run11:06
Private_Usergood day all11:06
Padronilaters folks11:07
Padronihi  Private_User11:07
Private_Userhi Padroni11:07
Private_Userdoes anybody know what terminology is used to describe when you combine like multiple machines to create one huge powerful machine?11:08
Private_Usermy friend has like 4 desktops and he wants to try that but not sure what to google for11:08
KilosPrivate_User  peeps used the rasberry pi to do it and there is a diadram somewhere online11:10
Private_Userthanks Kilos11:11
Private_Userbut only 1 question, what is a diadram?11:11
Private_Userlol11:11
Private_UserI am assuming you mean diagram?11:11
Kilosi cant remember what i even googled at the time11:11
Kilosya that thing11:11
Kiloshttp://www.pcauthority.com.au/Feature/306972,weekend-project-build-your-own-supercomputer.aspx11:12
Kilosmaybe something like that11:12
MaNIcluster11:16
Private_Userthanks Kilos, I will send him the above link he can read up further11:16
Kilosthere are many11:16
Kilosjust gppgle how to connected many computers to build a super computer11:17
MaNIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster 11:18
Private_Userthanks MaNI11:19
Private_UserI sent him both links he can read11:20
Private_Userhehe11:20
Kilosty MaNI 11:20
MaNIin his case seeing as he only has 4 hes probably more interested in beowulf clusters or similar than supercomputer ones :p11:20
mazalI must still try the multi screen thing11:46
mazal**sigh** Many things I must still try11:46
* Kilos reading http://cs.boisestate.edu/~amit/research/beowulf/beowulf-setup.pdf12:05
KilosPrivate_User  let him look here too https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/940112:12
Private_Userthanks Kilos, I sent him the links, he needs to read up now we cannot read for him12:24
Private_Userhehe12:24
Private_Usermazal: I hear you many things I need to not only try but do #procrastination12:25
Private_Userlol12:25
Kilosalso tell him google is his friend Private_User 12:29
Kilosgoogle is everyones friend but mine12:29
KilosMaNI  ty for the beowulf info12:29
MaNInot to be confused with the poem/movie :p12:31
Kilostempted to try 2 dual core pcs12:31
mazalTime to caal it a day12:36
mazalcall*12:36
Kilosits a day12:36
mazalHave a nice evening everyone12:36
mazalCheers12:37
Kilosgo well12:37
KilosMaaz  forecast pretoria13:26
MaazKilos: Thursday: Clear. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 5° C., Friday: Clear. High: 18° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 21° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 7° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Clear. High:13:26
Maaz25° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 9° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 22° C., Wednesday Nigh…13:26
Kilosoh my here comes the bad cold again13:27
Kilosbed till 10 am13:27
ThatGraemeGuyMaaz: forecase brackenfell13:30
MaazThatGraemeGuy: Sorry...13:30
ThatGraemeGuyMaaz: forecast brackenfell13:30
MaazThatGraemeGuy: City not found13:30
ThatGraemeGuybleh13:30
Kiloshehe13:35
Kiloshe dont do suburbs13:36
KilosMaaz  forecast capetown south africa13:36
MaazKilos: City not found13:36
Kilosai!13:36
KilosMaaz  weather in capetown13:37
MaazKilos: City not found13:37
KilosQA   forecast cape town south africa13:38
QAKilos: Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 15° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 9° C., Friday: Rain. High: 13° C., Friday Night: Rain. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Sunday: Partly Cloudy. High: 16° C., Sunday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 9° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 14° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 16° C.,…13:38
KilosMaaz  weather in cape town13:38
MaazKilos: In Cape Town, South Africa at 3:00 PM SAST on July 16, 2015: 15°C; Humidity: 59%; Wind: NW at 24 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:48 AM SAST/5:55 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:43 AM SAST/6:34 PM SAST13:38
Kiloseeeek your high today is only 15°c13:39
Private_UserMaaz: weather in Durban15:17
MaazPrivate_User: In La Mercy, South Africa at 5:00 PM SAST on July 16, 2015: 20°C; Humidity: 83%; Wind: South at 22 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 6:50 AM SAST/5:14 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 6:45 AM SAST/5:50 PM SAST15:17
Private_UserMaaz: forecast durban15:18
MaazPrivate_User: Thursday: Clear. High: 24° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 13° C., Friday: Chance of Rain. High: 22° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 23° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 22° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 11° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 14°15:18
MaazC., Tuesday: Chance of Rain. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Rain. Low: 13° C., Wednesday…15:18
Kiloshmm...15:38
Kiloshi z3r009 hows things there15:41
z3r009hi man, okay, and you?15:41
Kilosgood ty15:41
Cryterion_Hmm that capetown weather has been sent on it's way here, grrr15:43
Kilosyeah15:43
Kiloswe gonna freeze for a few days15:43
Cryterion_Yip, like last few days15:43
Kilosno even colder15:44
Kilos5°c  or even more15:44
Kilospro gonna freeze on his bike int the morning16:13
Kiloseish no chatting for a while hands full of genkem16:40
Kiloshard to type with pinkis16:41
ThatGraemeGuymoo18:21
magespawngood evening18:29
Kiloshi magespawn 18:30
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 18:30
Kilosyou missed us?18:31
magespawnwho me?18:34
Kilosno graeme18:35
magespawnahh right18:36
MaNLKilos, Any idea what south africans call http://www.solarpanelstore.com/solar-power.elec-parts.ilsco-lugs.html by any chance? The american term "grounding lug" does not seem to bring much joy when searching18:49
Kiloslemme see18:50
=== MaNL is now known as MaNI
Kilosgrounding is normally your earth18:51
MaNIyeah18:52
Kilosthose things are what eskom use for joining different cables18:53
MaNIthey're special connectors for earthing, because you can't put copper earth wire directly on aluminium, and also just because its more secure to have a proper connector :p18:53
Kilosya18:54
magespawnMaNI: grounding block18:54
MaNII assume such a thing must exist locally, so it must have some south african name that I don't know :p18:54
Kilosoh18:54
MaNIhrm, maybe18:55
Kilosya eskom use the an city electrical places'18:56
MaNIexcept blocks are usually for multiple wires18:57
Kiloslikt i have 2 here i think that tswane electric left behind18:57
MaNII guess I could saw one into pieces if I get desperate18:58
mazalNight everyone , sleep well19:03
Kilosanyone got contacts for a battery for a lenovo t410 thinkpad19:22
Kilosi only find prices of around r140019:22
Kilosthat way too much for me19:22
MaNIyikes19:32
MaNIdid you try searching by the barcode on the battery pack? often find cheaper generics that way19:32
Kiloslemme try get that info from ian'19:36
Kilosty MaNI 19:36
Kiloshe has the lappy for me but battery stuffed19:37
magespawnthat should not be a problem, you can run it from the power19:38
MaNIonly a problem if you want to use it on the move, or during loadshedding :p19:38
Kilosi only want the think for when i have a meeting and load shedding19:38
Kilosi dont like laptops19:39
Kilosso its just a backup19:39
magespawnahh right 19:40
magespawni have not really used a desktop in awhile19:41
Kiloshehe19:41
magespawni like taking my stuff with me19:41
Kilosi love my desktop and hate loadshedding19:41
Kilosand mxit dead from here19:42
Kilosai!19:42
magespawnbedtime for me, good night all20:03
Kilos-superfly  keep the cold weather there man20:18
superflyKilos-: it';s not my fault.20:22
Kilos-lol ok20:22
* Kilos- notes the pro stays away20:32
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
Kilosbig storm in rustenburg 20:32
KilosMaNI  does this barcode make sense -  11s42t4796z1zjpf15g28w    2011.0520:35
Kilosi have no idea how to google with that20:37
Kilosfor that20:38
MaNIno don't think so20:47
MaNIcheck enxt to it for a serial number20:47
MaNIor part number20:47
Kilosok ill ask20:47
MaNIlike on mine it has: part number GCR-B/98420:48
MaNIif I google that I'll usually et far more direct hits than if I google "battery for HP compaq xxxx"20:48
Kilosok ty20:48
MaNIas a last resort you could also look for someone who does 'repacking' - i.e. opening up the case and replacing the cells inside instead of buying a new pack, if you can find somewhere reasonable20:49
Kilosok ty ill keep trying20:50
MaNIlaptop batteries are a real pain :/20:50
Kiloshe gave this  n1460820:51
Kilosand this 20:53
KilosFRU P/N 42T491120:53
KilosASM P/N 42T479620:53
* Kilos googles20:53
MaNIthat seems more like it :p21:17
MaNIhttp://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/192147475/Dtk_New_Laptop_Battery_Replacement_for_Lenovo_Ibm_Thinkpad_W530_W530i_L430_7800MAH_9CELLS.html <- not great but beats the original price21:18
Kiloslemme see21:21
Kiloswhat a job21:21
Kiloswow taking forever to open21:22
Kilossays webpage not available21:23
Kilosmurphy is back again21:23
MaNIor grab one off aliexpress for ~$20 (probably double  that after taxes) if you can afford to wait a month or two :p21:24
MaNIstrange, bidorbuy link works for me21:24
Kilossomething wrong here , tried on 2 browsers21:25
Kilosi give up.  night all. sleep tight21:35
Kilosty MaNI 21:35

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