[04:55] <Kilos> morning all
[04:57] <Symmetria> heh 
[04:57] <Symmetria> kilos wanna see something mindblowing
[04:57] <Symmetria> :) how are you btw
[04:57] <mazal> More oom
[04:57] <Kilos> im ok ty and you, i dont have data for vids
[04:57] <mazal> More Symmetria
[04:57] <Kilos> tell me about it
[04:57] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[04:57] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4507060258.png <[04:58] <Kilos> oh thats ok
[04:58] <Symmetria> heh those are my new wifi AP's at home 
[04:58] <mazal> Things like that just makes me angry
[04:58] <Kilos> wow
[04:59] <Symmetria> heh, I bought two AP's when I was in za on Monday
[04:59] <Symmetria> interestingly enough that is the fastest of the two, its a dlink 
[04:59] <Symmetria> the other one I get around 450mbit up and down
[04:59] <Symmetria> (other one was cheaper, and is made by apple)
[04:59] <Kilos> d-link make good equipment
[04:59] <Symmetria> heh, so, recommendation
[04:59] <Symmetria> AC3200 D-Link 
[04:59] <mazal> Here in SA we must just pay for everyone's greed and get no service for it
[04:59] <Symmetria> or Airport Extreme by Apple 
[05:00] <Symmetria> either one of those are fantastic 
[05:00] <Kilos> even the d-link usb modems are better
[05:00] <Symmetria> (but if you want that kinda wireless speed, that AC3200 is the only dlink that can do it, and they are pretty pricey)
[05:01] <Symmetria> one warning about 802.11ac though
[05:01] <Kilos> well here its useless having fast equipment unless you have ftth connection
[05:01] <Symmetria> it will *chew* battery on the client devices
[05:01] <Symmetria> kilos depends what you doing on your home network
[05:02] <Symmetria> if you moving stuff around your home network or trying to stream 4k video or something
[05:02] <Symmetria> :)
[05:02] <Kilos> oh ya for local
[05:02] <Symmetria> fast wifi is good
[05:02] <Kilos> local never was a prob, its our internet that sucks
[05:03] <Symmetria> heh but 802.11ac is so new that not THAT much supports it yet 
[05:03] <Symmetria> like, macbooks have done since late 2013 
[05:03] <Symmetria> the S5 and S6 samsung phones support it
[05:03] <Symmetria> and the iphone 6 supports it
[05:03] <Symmetria> but beyond that, not a huge amount 
[05:04]  * mazal waits for donkie kar server to restart
[05:19] <stickyboy> Symmetria: \o/
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:24] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:25] <Padroni> Morning all
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Padroni 
[07:26] <Padroni> how are you?
[07:26] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:26] <Padroni> I am good 
[07:26] <Padroni> just tired :/
[07:26] <Kilos> again
[07:26] <Padroni> still
[07:26] <Padroni> my son is cutting teeth
[07:27] <Padroni> he wakes us between 4 and 8 times a night
[07:27] <Kilos> ouch
[07:27] <Padroni> so I have a grumpy baby and a grumpy wife
[07:28] <Padroni> because my life isn't complicated enough as it is
[07:28] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <Padroni> bought me a nice 250Gb SSD earlier the week
[07:29] <Padroni> so gonna swop it out with the 128GB one I have in my laptop
[07:29] <Padroni> and move the 128 to my desktop
[07:33] <Kilos> nice
[07:38] <Padroni> these ssd's are fast
[07:38] <Padroni> 550Mb read / 530Mb write per second
[07:38] <Padroni> crazy
[07:38] <Padroni> read / write obviously not at once 
[07:39] <Kilos> yeah when i tried one it flew
[07:39]  * mazal stares and a wheel that turns but nothing happens
[07:39] <mazal> Hi Padroni
[07:39] <Padroni> hi mazal
[07:39] <Padroni> hoe gaan dit?
[07:39] <mazal> Besig maar goed dankie en daar ?
[07:40] <Padroni> same old, same old
[07:40] <Padroni> is there an effective way to move a user account (about 55GB) from one ubuntu install to another?
[07:40] <Padroni> or should I just copy over the data manually?
[07:41] <mazal> Same OS and flavour Padroni ?
[07:41] <Padroni> yeah, 'buntu 1404
[07:42] <mazal> I wanted to say how I would do , but will probably be in the dogbox. Rather wait for the clever guys
[07:43] <mazal> Yay the wheel stopped turning !!!! That was only about 15 minutes to get a user's properties screen open :P
[07:45] <Padroni> whaaaaat?
[07:45] <Padroni> why so long?
[07:45] <Padroni> you runnign RAT via dial-up?
[07:45] <Padroni> gprs?
[07:45] <Padroni> Edge?
[07:45] <mazal> I am creating new users , on a MS AD domain , over a WAN that has only 1mb line , with 210 pc's on it currently all busy doing Win 7 updates
[07:46] <mazal> Patience is needed to say the least
[07:46] <Padroni> jeez
[07:46] <Padroni> my I ask
[07:46] <Padroni> would it not be better
[07:46] <Padroni> to have one pc download all updates
[07:46] <Padroni> and have all pc's update from that pc?
[07:47] <mazal> Not my choice remember
[07:47] <mazal> I must do the work , but may not make any choices or suggestions'
[07:47] <Padroni> Fucking management.  They will be the death of us all.
[07:47] <Padroni> pardon my french
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh
[07:47] <mazal> Head Office set up the updates to ran from a server at their side
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> why do you people let yourselves be stepped on like that
[07:47] <mazal> But non of the clowns thought about our poor bandwidth on the WAN
[07:48]  * Padroni is with ThatGraemeGuy on this 
[07:48] <mazal> Ok new user screen apeared , now I can continue for 5 minutes before I need to wait again lol
[07:49] <Padroni> how are you, ThatGraemeGuy?
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> lekker thanks, you?
[07:51] <Padroni> stil 
[07:51] <Padroni> tired but fine
[07:51] <Padroni> I am currently in the market for a new DSL provider.
[07:51] <Squirm> Morning
[07:51] <Padroni> Uncapped, with SSH / VPN services available, dedicated IP if possible, and not on the MTN backbone.
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> if uncapped and you are willing to schedule heavy downloads between midnight and 08:00, crystalweb home premium
[07:51] <Padroni> For under R700 if possible.
[07:52] <Padroni> url?
[07:52] <Padroni> must not be on MTN backbone
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> www.crystalweb.co.za
[07:52]  * mazal cicks the finish button and goes for a sb while wheel is turning
[07:52] <Padroni> I am currently with Afrihost and their latency is f*cking with my SSH sessions
[07:52] <mazal> ^5 Padroni
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah afrihost has lost the plot
[07:52] <mazal> MTN backbone sucks
[07:52] <Padroni> 'they are working on it'
[07:52] <Padroni> in the mean time
[07:53] <Padroni> I have threatened Telkom with physical violence (went to their shop and threatened to shoot up the place) if they don't sort out my line
[07:53] <Padroni> had Telkom's guys come and replace the 50-core cable in my whole street in self defense
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> for anyone else reading, please don't do that
[07:53] <Padroni> only to now find out it was Afrihost all along
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> you know you can get a free 1GB account from just about anyone nowadays
[07:54] <Padroni> THIS is why I don't qualify for a firearm licence.
[07:54] <Padroni> I go through between 6 and 10Gb a day
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have a bunch, if stuff starts acting up, I try a few others to see if its a telkom or isp issue
[07:54] <Padroni> 1Gb is not enough...
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1gb is for testing, smarty pants
[07:54] <Padroni> I know
[07:55] <Padroni> but I am running a vpn via untangle
[07:55] <Padroni> such a schlep to change the settings all the time
[07:55] <Padroni> necessary evil though, I guess.
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you need serious service and performance you ought to be paying for a business account anyway
[07:55] <Padroni> I am currently on a Afirhost business package
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> well not with them, duh
[07:56] <Padroni> You'd think the service would be better
[07:56] <Padroni> You'd be wrong.
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> no you wouldn't if you've been paying attention to the buzz in the industry :)
[07:56] <Padroni> I don't follow the buzz around dsl providers, to be honest
[07:56] <Padroni> my attention is on opsec and infosec
[07:56] <Padroni> so I am late to the party with this MTN thing
[07:57] <Padroni> "Click to run Adobe Flash Player"
[07:57] <Padroni> That makes me nervous...
[08:03] <mazal> Their issues started more than a year ago already
[08:03] <mazal> Then it was better for a while and the about a month ago things collapsed again
[08:03] <mazal> Closed my account at them completely
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: you've run ubuntu off an external disk before yes?
[08:25] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Yep , for a long time
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> what was on the internal drive when you did that?
[08:26] <mazal> Win 7
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've transplanted my O/S to external and installed grub there, but i suspect that when i boot its still loading grub from the internal hdd
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> even if i specifically select external hdd as boot device
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> although if i select Ubuntu on /dev/sda2 from grub menu, it loads my O/S from external just fine
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> confused
[08:28] <mazal> You have grub on both drives ?
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm going to put windows 8 on the internal hdd but i don't want to do that until I'm sure that I'm booting completely independently from the external
[08:28] <mazal> But external can't be sda2 , should be sdb1
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry it is, typo
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sdb2
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sdb1 is an NTFS partition with stuff on it
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> doesn't really matter though
[08:29] <mazal> All I can think is the grub install to sdb didn't install correct
[08:29] <mazal> OR UEFI is enabled
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> let me see if i can disable the internal hdd in bios maybe
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> not UEFI not currently enabled, but will be for win 8
[08:30] <mazal> hmmm
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> will external not work then? this UEFI stuff is beyond me
[08:30] <mazal> Try disble internal , just to test external's grub
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah let me do that quickly
[08:32] <mazal> And by "transplanted" you mean ? Fresh install or something else ?
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, refuses to boot from external
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> well refuses to load grub from it anyway
[08:35] <mazal> ^^ previous question
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> transplanted: booted livecd, rsync data from /dev/sda1->/dev/sdb2 and /dev/sda5->/dev/sdb3
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> / and /home, respectively
[08:35] <mazal> Did you remember to check grub.cong UUID's
[08:36] <mazal> Sometime , even after grub install the UUID's still point to wrong drive in grub.conf
[08:36] <mazal> It might have the source's config still
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> then mount / and /home of the external, bind mount /dev /proc /sys /run, chroot into external hdd, update-initramfs -k all -u, update-grub, grub-install /dev/sdb
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> update-grub fixes that
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> and if that were the case then I would not be able to boot it at all
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is simply that grub does not load from the external hdd for some reason
[08:37] <mazal> and the obvious " boot from usb" in bios is enabled ne ?
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> its the only device enabled for booting
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> no grub
[08:37] <mazal> damn
[08:38] <mazal> Size of external ?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1TB
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> relevance?
[08:38] <mazal> Do you have seperate /boot partition ?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[08:38] <mazal> One of my 1TB's refused to boot external until I made /boot seperate 2gig partition
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> seems unnecessary
[08:39] <mazal> Was only on a laptop
[08:39] <mazal> And was the only thing that fixed it
[08:39] <mazal> Booted fine on desktop pc , refused on laptop , then tried that and worked
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[08:40] <mazal> I don't know why
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm done, will do it some other way some other time
[08:40] <mazal> Is the only thing I can think of  , otherwise you covered all bases
[08:40] <mazal> Try boot it from a desktop pc and see what happens
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> partitions same size on external as on internal, that doesn't make sense
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm done, back in internal
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> will tackle this another day
[08:46] <mazal> Do you need that Win 8 btw ?
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> need to get to grips with this UEFI business
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, the laptop came with Win 8 in UEFI mode, so the product key is embeded in the firmware
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you must install in UEFI mode to make use of it
[08:47] <mazal> Bloody MS
[08:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you try and install Win 8 in BIOS mode, and provide the extracted key, it will supposedly reject the key
[08:47] <mazal> I hate that MS crap
[08:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> so I need to fully re-do the laptop, including installing Ubuntu in UEFI mode too
[08:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> UEFI isn't MS crap it was developed by a consortium of 140-odd tech companies
[08:48] <mazal> I was reffering to the keys and moeny side
[08:49] <mazal> But they probably have no choice with all the pirating
[08:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe I can figure out why that software won't work in a VM
[09:14] <MaNI> what error does it give? :)
[09:16] <Padroni> ThatGraemeGuy: what do you use for VM's?
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> MaNI: its supposed to install a driver, which it doesn't seem to do for some readon
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> reason
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> Padroni: virtualbox
[09:18] <Padroni> thought so
[09:18] <Padroni> me too
[09:19] <Padroni> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpQ1fRQAto
[09:19] <Padroni> That looks nice though
[09:19] <Padroni> Xenserver setup.
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> going to try vmware, perhaps it maps usb devices to guests differently
[09:19] <Padroni> vm is paid-for software, is it not?
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> vmware player is free
[09:20] <Padroni> but it is also enterprise level virtualization
[09:20] <Padroni> hmmm
[09:20] <Padroni> which is the best ?
[09:20] <MaNI> kvm :)
[09:20] <Padroni> don't have any experience with vmware yet
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> "enterprise level virtualization" is meaningless marketing speak
[09:21] <Padroni> I don't know of any big companies using virtualbox
[09:21] <Padroni> that is what I meant
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> vmware is a company too, not a product
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> they have products that cover the entire spectrum
[09:22] <Padroni> I am talking about their products...
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> and vmware player is probably the simplest of the lot
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> its more or less equivalent to virtualbox
[09:22] <MaNI> virtualbox - (just checking) you have tried setting a direct passthrough for the usb device in question, right?
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> is that where i map it to the vm in it's settings, rather than just connecting it on-the-fly using the device menu?
[09:24] <MaNI> yeah
[09:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, did that
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> it sees the device in device manager but it comes up as an onrecognised USBMS device for which it can't find a driver
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> so I guess there's some translation happening at the usb layer rather than a real untainted pass-thru
[09:26] <MaNI> :/
[09:59] <mazal> Maaz you know what I want now
[09:59] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[09:59] <mazal> Maaz food
[09:59] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[11:06] <Padroni> I have to run
[11:06] <Private_User> good day all
[11:07] <Padroni> laters folks
[11:07] <Padroni> hi  Private_User
[11:07] <Private_User> hi Padroni
[11:08] <Private_User> does anybody know what terminology is used to describe when you combine like multiple machines to create one huge powerful machine?
[11:08] <Private_User> my friend has like 4 desktops and he wants to try that but not sure what to google for
[11:10] <Kilos> Private_User  peeps used the rasberry pi to do it and there is a diadram somewhere online
[11:11] <Private_User> thanks Kilos
[11:11] <Private_User> but only 1 question, what is a diadram?
[11:11] <Private_User> lol
[11:11] <Private_User> I am assuming you mean diagram?
[11:11] <Kilos> i cant remember what i even googled at the time
[11:11] <Kilos> ya that thing
[11:12] <Kilos> http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Feature/306972,weekend-project-build-your-own-supercomputer.aspx
[11:12] <Kilos> maybe something like that
[11:16] <MaNI> cluster
[11:16] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, I will send him the above link he can read up further
[11:16] <Kilos> there are many
[11:17] <Kilos> just gppgle how to connected many computers to build a super computer
[11:18] <MaNI> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster 
[11:19] <Private_User> thanks MaNI
[11:20] <Private_User> I sent him both links he can read
[11:20] <Private_User> hehe
[11:20] <Kilos> ty MaNI 
[11:20] <MaNI> in his case seeing as he only has 4 hes probably more interested in beowulf clusters or similar than supercomputer ones :p
[11:46] <mazal> I must still try the multi screen thing
[11:46] <mazal> **sigh** Many things I must still try
[12:05]  * Kilos reading http://cs.boisestate.edu/~amit/research/beowulf/beowulf-setup.pdf
[12:12] <Kilos> Private_User  let him look here too https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/9401
[12:24] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, I sent him the links, he needs to read up now we cannot read for him
[12:24] <Private_User> hehe
[12:25] <Private_User> mazal: I hear you many things I need to not only try but do #procrastination
[12:25] <Private_User> lol
[12:29] <Kilos> also tell him google is his friend Private_User 
[12:29] <Kilos> google is everyones friend but mine
[12:29] <Kilos> MaNI  ty for the beowulf info
[12:31] <MaNI> not to be confused with the poem/movie :p
[12:31] <Kilos> tempted to try 2 dual core pcs
[12:36] <mazal> Time to caal it a day
[12:36] <mazal> call*
[12:36] <Kilos> its a day
[12:36] <mazal> Have a nice evening everyone
[12:37] <mazal> Cheers
[12:37] <Kilos> go well
[13:26] <Kilos> Maaz  forecast pretoria
[13:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Thursday: Clear. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 5° C., Friday: Clear. High: 18° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 21° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 7° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Clear. High:
[13:26] <Maaz> 25° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 9° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 22° C., Wednesday Nigh…
[13:27] <Kilos> oh my here comes the bad cold again
[13:27] <Kilos> bed till 10 am
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: forecase brackenfell
[13:30] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Sorry...
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: forecast brackenfell
[13:30] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: City not found
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> bleh
[13:35] <Kilos> hehe
[13:36] <Kilos> he dont do suburbs
[13:36] <Kilos> Maaz  forecast capetown south africa
[13:36] <Maaz> Kilos: City not found
[13:36] <Kilos> ai!
[13:37] <Kilos> Maaz  weather in capetown
[13:37] <Maaz> Kilos: City not found
[13:38] <Kilos> QA   forecast cape town south africa
[13:38] <QA> Kilos: Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 15° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 9° C., Friday: Rain. High: 13° C., Friday Night: Rain. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Sunday: Partly Cloudy. High: 16° C., Sunday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 9° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 14° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 16° C.,…
[13:38] <Kilos> Maaz  weather in cape town
[13:38] <Maaz> Kilos: In Cape Town, South Africa at 3:00 PM SAST on July 16, 2015: 15°C; Humidity: 59%; Wind: NW at 24 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:48 AM SAST/5:55 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:43 AM SAST/6:34 PM SAST
[13:39] <Kilos> eeeek your high today is only 15°c
[15:17] <Private_User> Maaz: weather in Durban
[15:17] <Maaz> Private_User: In La Mercy, South Africa at 5:00 PM SAST on July 16, 2015: 20°C; Humidity: 83%; Wind: South at 22 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 6:50 AM SAST/5:14 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 6:45 AM SAST/5:50 PM SAST
[15:18] <Private_User> Maaz: forecast durban
[15:18] <Maaz> Private_User: Thursday: Clear. High: 24° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 13° C., Friday: Chance of Rain. High: 22° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 23° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 22° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 11° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 14°
[15:18] <Maaz> C., Tuesday: Chance of Rain. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Rain. Low: 13° C., Wednesday…
[15:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:41] <Kilos> hi z3r009 hows things there
[15:41] <z3r009> hi man, okay, and you?
[15:41] <Kilos> good ty
[15:43] <Cryterion_> Hmm that capetown weather has been sent on it's way here, grrr
[15:43] <Kilos> yeah
[15:43] <Kilos> we gonna freeze for a few days
[15:43] <Cryterion_> Yip, like last few days
[15:44] <Kilos> no even colder
[15:44] <Kilos> 5°c  or even more
[16:13] <Kilos> pro gonna freeze on his bike int the morning
[16:40] <Kilos> eish no chatting for a while hands full of genkem
[16:41] <Kilos> hard to type with pinkis
[18:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> moo
[18:29] <magespawn> good evening
[18:30] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:30] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:31] <Kilos> you missed us?
[18:34] <magespawn> who me?
[18:35] <Kilos> no graeme
[18:36] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:49] <MaNL> Kilos, Any idea what south africans call http://www.solarpanelstore.com/solar-power.elec-parts.ilsco-lugs.html by any chance? The american term "grounding lug" does not seem to bring much joy when searching
[18:50] <Kilos> lemme see
[18:51] <Kilos> grounding is normally your earth
[18:52] <MaNI> yeah
[18:53] <Kilos> those things are what eskom use for joining different cables
[18:53] <MaNI> they're special connectors for earthing, because you can't put copper earth wire directly on aluminium, and also just because its more secure to have a proper connector :p
[18:54] <Kilos> ya
[18:54] <magespawn> MaNI: grounding block
[18:54] <MaNI> I assume such a thing must exist locally, so it must have some south african name that I don't know :p
[18:54] <Kilos> oh
[18:55] <MaNI> hrm, maybe
[18:56] <Kilos> ya eskom use the an city electrical places'
[18:57] <MaNI> except blocks are usually for multiple wires
[18:57] <Kilos> likt i have 2 here i think that tswane electric left behind
[18:58] <MaNI> I guess I could saw one into pieces if I get desperate
[19:03] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:22] <Kilos> anyone got contacts for a battery for a lenovo t410 thinkpad
[19:22] <Kilos> i only find prices of around r1400
[19:22] <Kilos> that way too much for me
[19:32] <MaNI> yikes
[19:32] <MaNI> did you try searching by the barcode on the battery pack? often find cheaper generics that way
[19:36] <Kilos> lemme try get that info from ian'
[19:36] <Kilos> ty MaNI 
[19:37] <Kilos> he has the lappy for me but battery stuffed
[19:38] <magespawn> that should not be a problem, you can run it from the power
[19:38] <MaNI> only a problem if you want to use it on the move, or during loadshedding :p
[19:38] <Kilos> i only want the think for when i have a meeting and load shedding
[19:39] <Kilos> i dont like laptops
[19:39] <Kilos> so its just a backup
[19:40] <magespawn> ahh right 
[19:41] <magespawn> i have not really used a desktop in awhile
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <magespawn> i like taking my stuff with me
[19:41] <Kilos> i love my desktop and hate loadshedding
[19:42] <Kilos> and mxit dead from here
[19:42] <Kilos> ai!
[20:03] <magespawn> bedtime for me, good night all
[20:18] <Kilos-> superfly  keep the cold weather there man
[20:22] <superfly> Kilos-: it';s not my fault.
[20:22] <Kilos-> lol ok
[20:32]  * Kilos- notes the pro stays away
[20:32] <Kilos> big storm in rustenburg 
[20:35] <Kilos> MaNI  does this barcode make sense -  11s42t4796z1zjpf15g28w    2011.05
[20:37] <Kilos> i have no idea how to google with that
[20:38] <Kilos> for that
[20:47] <MaNI> no don't think so
[20:47] <MaNI> check enxt to it for a serial number
[20:47] <MaNI> or part number
[20:47] <Kilos> ok ill ask
[20:48] <MaNI> like on mine it has: part number GCR-B/984
[20:48] <MaNI> if I google that I'll usually et far more direct hits than if I google "battery for HP compaq xxxx"
[20:48] <Kilos> ok ty
[20:49] <MaNI> as a last resort you could also look for someone who does 'repacking' - i.e. opening up the case and replacing the cells inside instead of buying a new pack, if you can find somewhere reasonable
[20:50] <Kilos> ok ty ill keep trying
[20:50] <MaNI> laptop batteries are a real pain :/
[20:51] <Kilos> he gave this  n14608
[20:53] <Kilos> and this 
[20:53] <Kilos> FRU P/N 42T4911
[20:53] <Kilos> ASM P/N 42T4796
[20:53]  * Kilos googles
[21:17] <MaNI> that seems more like it :p
[21:18] <MaNI> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/192147475/Dtk_New_Laptop_Battery_Replacement_for_Lenovo_Ibm_Thinkpad_W530_W530i_L430_7800MAH_9CELLS.html <- not great but beats the original price
[21:21] <Kilos> lemme see
[21:21] <Kilos> what a job
[21:22] <Kilos> wow taking forever to open
[21:23] <Kilos> says webpage not available
[21:23] <Kilos> murphy is back again
[21:24] <MaNI> or grab one off aliexpress for ~$20 (probably double  that after taxes) if you can afford to wait a month or two :p
[21:24] <MaNI> strange, bidorbuy link works for me
[21:25] <Kilos> something wrong here , tried on 2 browsers
[21:35] <Kilos> i give up.  night all. sleep tight
[21:35] <Kilos> ty MaNI