[02:45] <Unit193> Ooooh.
[02:45] <bluesabre> (probably works)
[02:45] <bluesabre> ;)
[02:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obso
[02:46] <bluesabre>  /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf b520b587f75dde65913eda77097dbd79 obsolete
[02:46] <bluesabre>  /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_ubuntu.conf cc6d5ef33952ab5da042b36bb3c9a812 obsolete
[02:46] <bluesabre>  /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf 33277f4b23d3d9918fdd078b11c7bd25 obsolete
[02:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: so... whats that command do specifically?
[02:47] <Unit193> So the new package doesn't ship those, but the older one did and as they are config fiels they weren't automatically removed.
[02:47] <Unit193> Have an old system, you'll have those files.  Get a new install, you won't.
[02:47] <bluesabre> $ ls /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[02:47] <bluesabre> ls: cannot access /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf: No such file or directory
[02:48] <bluesabre> 01_ubuntu is provided by the greeter package
[02:48] <bluesabre> my system might just be all sorts of silly atm
[02:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: which file is it that configures the "Xubuntu" session?
[02:55] <Unit193> Define?
[02:55] <Unit193> Explain.
[02:55] <bluesabre> sets session runtime variables
[02:55] <bluesabre> makes it different from xfce session
[02:57] <bluesabre> digging around, but just can't seem to figure out :D
[02:58] <Unit193> The session name is from /usr/share/xsessions/xubuntu.desktop, and etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path sets some vars.
[03:00] <bluesabre> ah, k
[03:00] <Unit193> I'm not sure what you are looking for.
[03:01] <bluesabre> trying to figure out where I can set environment vars that we're interested in
[03:02] <Unit193> Is /etc/profile.d/ a better place then?
[03:03] <bluesabre> yeah, I think so (just came across that)
[03:03] <Unit193> !xy
[03:03] <ubottu> The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned.
[03:03] <Unit193> :P
[03:03] <bluesabre> lol
[03:03] <Unit193> Maybe micahg would like to give input on how he'd like to set default env vars.
[03:05] <micahg> what's the question?
[03:06] <bluesabre> we're wanting to set default env vars
[03:06] <bluesabre> export QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk
[03:06] <bluesabre> for qt5 apps to use gtk theme
[03:06] <bluesabre> export GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0
[03:06] <bluesabre> to disable gtk 3.16 overlay scrollbars
[03:07] <bluesabre> what's the best way to do that? :)
[03:10] <micahg> good question
[03:10] <bluesabre> :)
[03:11] <Unit193> /etc/profile.d/ doesn't seem horrible...
[03:11] <Unit193> !find /etc/profile.d/
[03:11] <ubottu> Found: W:, W:, W:, W:, W:
[03:11] <micahg> that's for bash rhoufh
[03:11] <Unit193> !find /etc/profile.d/
[03:11] <micahg> *though
[03:11] <ubottu> File /etc/profile.d/ found in alliance, appmenu-qt5, bash-completion, byobu, click-bin-path, cloud-init, environment-modules, language-selector-common, libqmfmessageserver1, libvirt-bin (and 12 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=/etc/profile.d/&mode=&suite=wily&arch=any
[03:11] <micahg> so, if you launch from shell you're good
[03:12] <Unit193> Welp..
[03:15] <Unit193> Sure it doesn't apply/
[03:16] <micahg> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ?  
[03:17] <Unit193> !find /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[03:17] <ubottu> File /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ found in at-spi2-core, awesome, brightd, cinnamon-session-common, compiz-gnome, consolekit, dbus-x11, deejayd, desktop-profiles, edubuntu-live (and 27 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=/etc/X11/Xsession.d/&mode=&suite=wily&arch=any
[03:17] <Unit193> I guess so, seemed like more core though.
[03:17]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[03:17] <bluesabre> looks like the mate folks use it profile.d for gtk env vars https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-settings/files/head:/etc/profile.d/
[03:17] <micahg> xfce4-session: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55xfce4-session
[03:17] <bluesabre> ah
[03:17] <bluesabre> that seems like a winner
[03:17] <bluesabre> :D
[03:18] <micahg> it sets XDG_DATA_DIRS
[03:18] <Unit193> So I noticed.
[03:19] <Unit193> micahg: Oh, perhaps can you see my question in -motu?
[03:20] <micahg> I did, I forgot
[03:21] <Unit193> \o/
[03:43] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11885898/ seems to work
[03:43] <bluesabre> :D
[03:44] <Unit193> How about checking 'XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP' for 'XFCE'?  Might ask US and Myth?
[03:44] <bluesabre> wasn't sure how far we wanted to go
[03:44] <bluesabre> is this xubuntu-default-settings or a patch for xfce4-session?
[03:45] <Unit193> I thought x-d-s, but since you have that check... :D
[03:45] <Unit193> zequence_ Perhaps might like to chime in?
[03:48] <bluesabre> probably wouldn't hurt to mention to Corsac, though he is not a fan of configuring xfce in debian
[03:48] <bluesabre> or adding qt configs
[03:48] <bluesabre> :D
[04:01] <Unit193> :D
[06:43] <ochosi> morning
[06:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: actually, can we do anything about having both nm-connection-editor *and* network-admin in the settings manager? ir really sucks that both have/use the same icon and from my side i can't do anything about that
[09:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: for your convenience: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.6
[09:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: and as if that hadn't been convenient enough, here you go: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/wily/revision/287
[09:37] <ochosi> bluesabre, Noskcaj: parole not starting in wily is likely also this: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11825
[09:37] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11825 in General "Parole segmentation fault related to gtk3/clutter/cogl update" [Normal,New]
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[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: awesome!
[10:56] <ochosi> yeah, had a productive morning ;)
[11:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: make a bug report for the two network managers and we can do something about it (probably hide one for xubuntu)
[11:04] <bluesabre> :D
[11:04] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:04] <ochosi> okeydokey, i'll consider it, actually they do different things though
[11:04] <ochosi> it's just silly that both use the same icon and all
[11:05] <ochosi> anyway, hf and ttyl
[11:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: so, next up are greybird and lo-theme tags, right?
[11:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: yup
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[15:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: if we modify quite a few gtk3 defaults, i'm wondering whether we should expose those via xfce4-appearance-settings in the settings tab as checkboxes
[17:32] <pleia2> doing CC check-in now in #ubuntu-meeting w/ xubuntu
[22:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: maybe... but if there is no equivalent in gtk2, it almost seems silly
[22:02] <bluesabre> it would also be a lot of gtk runtime checks (okay, so between 3.6 and 3.10 I have these annoyances, etc)
[22:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: We had the CC catchup today, they've rejected you as the tech lead and will now tar and feather you.
[22:08] <Unit193> ...Or maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.
[22:14] <bluesabre> sounds fairly accurate
[22:15] <bluesabre> hopefully they are giving me travel expenses to go get tarred and feathered
[22:24] <bluesabre> awww, no mention in the logs of tar or feathers
[22:25] <bluesabre> and we're still doing a great job
[22:25] <bluesabre> go team!
[22:25] <bluesabre> and because not everybody will know where to look....
[22:25] <bluesabre> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/07/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt
[22:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: very happy to see this commit...
[22:26] <bluesabre> Notice(SwissBot) -> #xubuntu-devel: ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r433 Style over- and undershoot... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[22:27] <bluesabre> going to work on cleaning the apartment now, but ping if you need me, I'll try to pay attention
[22:28] <bluesabre> pleia2, ochosi, micahg, Unit193 -- sorry I couldn't make it to the CC meeting, but thanks for holding down the fort
[22:29] <bluesabre> (not that you needed my input) ;)
[22:30] <Unit193> Heh, I mostly just heckled from the sidelines, but sure.
[23:23] <pleia2> ^ true story
[23:23] <pleia2> ;)