[05:08] <valorie> latest report on my little new notebook: it healed itself somehow
[06:11] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: that sounds like a good idea
[06:22] <sitter> Riddell, ScottK: telepathy-accounts-signon now in binary new
[06:30] <valorie> oooo
[06:30] <valorie> might be able to totally fixed the new lil cutie laptop
[06:30] <valorie> fix, I mean
[06:53] <haridas> Hi, Kubuntu failing to login, sddm failing and login not happeining
[06:54] <haridas> im on KDE 5.3 
[06:54] <haridas> WHy the Xserver is failing while login... what could be the reasons ?
[07:37] <doko> Riddell, just a heads-up the silo16 ppa currently is broken. will have it fixed in about an hour
[09:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:27] <clivejo> I was using a text file to keep notes in for packaging, but the file has disappeared from the file system.  Anyone knoe what happened and if I can recover it?  I was using Kate to view/edit it
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:34] <sick_rimmit> Hey 
[10:34] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Kate will alsway keep a copy
[10:34] <sick_rimmit> it will be either prefixed or suffiex with a ~
[10:34] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: where?
[10:35] <clivejo> Ive checked for hidden files in the same directory
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> In the location you were working with kate
[10:35] <clivejo> it has gone!
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> also find is your freind
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> you couldtry
[10:35] <clivejo> tried that too
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> find ~/ -cmin +60 -print
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> will find everything with updated contents in last 60 minutes
[10:36] <clivejo> it happened a day of so ago
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> then you be able to see its location
[10:36] <clivejo> The file was in ~/Documents
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> find ~/ -ctime -2 -print
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> = less than 2 days ago
[10:37] <sick_rimmit> find ~/Documents/ -ctime -2 -print
[10:37] <sick_rimmit> man find
[10:37] <sick_rimmit> find is jolly good shell foo
[10:37] <clivejo> its not there
[10:37] <clivejo> I know, but the file is gone!
[10:43] <clivejo> even the history in Kate is gone :/
[10:51] <clivejo> even tried to recover the Documents folder with extundelete, but nothing was recovered :/
[11:16] <doko> Riddell, gcc-5 in silo16 is again fixed, armhf still building, however you only use amd64/i386 for your ppa
[11:16] <Riddell> lovely
[11:37] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: ping
[11:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[11:41] <ahoneybun> pong ovidiu-florin
[11:42] <ovidiu-florin> hmm....
[11:42] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit Rick_Timmis PING
[11:46] <sick_rimmit> Hello
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> We need to talk
[11:46] <sick_rimmit> Ah I need to make Konversation give me a ping
[11:46] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Sounds great
[11:47] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun wanna start?
[11:47] <ahoneybun> where are you thinking?
[11:47] <ovidiu-florin> here, about the post
[11:47] <ahoneybun> plus your in a meeting in RL
[11:48] <sick_rimmit> The post to Kubuntu Community ?
[11:48] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit:yea
[11:48] <sick_rimmit> OK, cool
[11:48] <sick_rimmit> go ahead
[11:49] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: while I do really enjoy the idea, we have not talked about actually doing it
[11:49] <ahoneybun> so posting on your own is a bit rash
[11:49] <sick_rimmit> How so ?
[11:49] <sick_rimmit> Did you read kubuntu-devel mailing list
[11:50] <ahoneybun> I've seen a few but our team is a bit small to try it
[11:50] <sick_rimmit> I have only asked for useful links to stuff, that we may or may not be interested
[11:50] <sick_rimmit> in
[11:51] <ahoneybun> but we should have come into agreement to send it, not sending it randomly
[11:51] <sick_rimmit> At this stage, we just want an aggregation of material in a place that;s easy to review
[11:52] <sick_rimmit> Ah OK, look I can see that you are bothered by this action, and that is something I do NOT want
[11:52] <sick_rimmit> If I have done that, then I am sorry
[11:52] <ahoneybun> I know you did not mean anything by it
[11:52] <sick_rimmit> Are you in the picture with that the over all idea is ?
[11:52] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: we got the feeling that you are looking for voluntees to twrite the Kubuntu documentation, which is mostly what ahoneybun is doing
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> an aggregation of community articles is something else
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> but that's why we have Kubuntu Wire for
[11:54] <ahoneybun> I'm not against help, but I'm for cooperation
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> My objective was simply to give the G+ Community a task of crowd sourcing a bunch already exisitng materials
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> We don;t really have the time for that, 
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> and ahoneybun certainly does not
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> I am excited at the work done by ahoneybun already
[11:55] <ahoneybun> video wise they would have to be original a bit as Plasma 5 is still new
[11:55] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: I was not alone 
[11:55] <sick_rimmit> I think if this appeal turned into results, it would produce video material and some great feature articles
[11:56] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: I feel that we should use trello more
[11:56] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: I accept that point, I agree.. 
[11:56] <sick_rimmit> hindsight, I should of posted this idea into Trello so we could consider it together
[11:57] <sick_rimmit> I will ensure that happens next time
[11:57] <ahoneybun> tbh the concept of videos and such are on trello and have been since 14.10..
[11:57] <ahoneybun> just could have used a ping here and there sick_rimmit :)
[11:57] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Yes, indeed and I had in mind to actaully make some
[11:57] <ahoneybun> to talk about it in depth
[11:58] <sick_rimmit> since that time however, KDE put a more formal video production project together
[11:58] <ahoneybun> I was not aware of that
[11:59] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://trello.com/c/7wkDmSFw/18-add-custom-kubuntu-theme-to-new-kubuntu-doc
[11:59] <sick_rimmit> So this  action that I posted was to get the crowd to find those videos
[12:00] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: the call should have been for Kubuntu Promotional maybe, what do you think ovidiu-florin?
[12:00] <sick_rimmit> Whether or not you choose to use them in Kubuntu docs is an arbitrary option
[12:00] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: No that is not what I had in mind
[12:01] <sick_rimmit> I was hoping that in the responses we would find good quality application specific tutorials 
[12:01] <sick_rimmit> These links you could then aggregate into you docs, perhaps a links or some other such thing
[12:02] <sick_rimmit> TBH, the greater value of the post is n the reaching out to an engage community, and provide a reason and purpose to get involved
[12:03] <santa_> hi
[12:04] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: ok
[12:04] <ahoneybun> I have to go
[12:04] <ahoneybun> bbl
[12:04] <sick_rimmit> I do not want you to feel undermined, and I am sorry is you do feel that way, because it truly is not my intention
[12:04] <santa_> Riddell: so now that I'm ready to send you patches for gcc 5 build failures, you mentioned you didn't like the mail attachments very much
[12:04] <sick_rimmit> I am an action kind of person, and my action is in support of your work, not inspite of it
[12:05] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: they're a bit faffy, probably my fault for using mutt on a remote server, I'd prefer them just to be put on a web server somewhere
[12:05] <sick_rimmit> Have a good day, and I will ensure to brief you via Trello in future
[12:05] <Riddell> santa_: rather ^^
[12:05] <santa_> Riddell: ok, so what about something like this: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12.0/ ?
[12:06] <santa_> if that format is ok I can make something to generate that automatically
[12:06] <ahoneybun> I know sick_rimmit and thank you
[12:06] <Riddell> santa_: lovely
[12:06] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: be ready for OTA-5 on mondey
[12:07] <santa_> Riddell: ok, I will do it, another thing: if you look at the sample patch, the approach is the following: mark as optional the disappearing symbols after building with gcc 5
[12:07] <santa_> source: https://wiki.debian.org/GCC5
[12:08] <santa_> see "Roadmap for libstdc++"
[12:08] <santa_> Start fixing build failures without changing the default compiler. This should be possible for everything except for symbols files. For symbols files, make two builds one with the GCC 5 found in testing/unstable, and one with the GCC 5 found in experimental (>= 5.1.1-20). Alternatively do both builds with the compiler found in experimental, one with -D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=0, and one with D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=1, and prepare the 
[12:08] <santa_> symbols file (maybe by adding a second file, or marking the symbols as optional).
[12:09] <Riddell> hmm ok
[12:09] <santa_> so it seems to me the best approach to follow with kde frameworks for kubuntu is marking everything as optional, no matter what
[12:09] <Riddell> yep, I guess so
[12:09] <santa_> doko: ↑ could you please confirm that we are doing it right?
[12:12] <santa_> sample patch: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12.0/threadweaver/0001-Mark-missing-symbols-for-GCC-5-as-optional.patch
[12:13] <santa_> (asking because we will have to do this kind of change to a lot of libraries, so would be nice to be sure that we are following the correct approach)
[12:21] <doko> santa_, Riddell: sounds okish, I mean, you can drop these symbols later again. consider a pcakage renaming when you find cxx11 symbols in a library (e.g. I didn't find any for kde5libs
[12:23] <doko> santa_, but always use the silo16 as dependency, and the GCC 5 as the default GCC
[12:26] <santa_> doko: yeah, I have to fix that in my own "ppa"; but I had a small problem: last time I checked aptitude using silo 16 segfaults; and I'm using the aptitude build dep resolver
[12:27] <santa_> s/segfaults/doesn't load because of a symbol lookup error/
[12:27] <santa_> let me recheck the status
[12:29] <doko> santa_, right I messed up gcc-5. now fixed in 5.2.1-11ubuntu1
[12:30] <doko> ohh, and maybe we don't have aptitude yet rebuilt
[12:30] <doko> no
[12:32] <santa_> last time I tried it failed to build: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/aptitude_0.6.11-1ubuntu4~santa1_amd64.build
[12:35] <doko> please use apt for now
[12:37] <santa_> doko: ok, thank you very much for the hints
[17:14] <santa_> Riddell: good evening, it seems my stuff to help you with gcc 5 is working very well; do you want to apply some patches I have or do you prefer to wait until monday? (I will have everything needed for frameworks the monday)
[17:14] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_kf5.html
[17:14] <santa_> ↑ status
[17:14] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/
[17:15] <santa_> ↑ patches
[17:32] <hjd> Anyone might know something about dolphin-plugins-bazaar and bug 1264659. It seems to overlap quite a lot with another package.
[17:32] <hjd> ?
[19:00] <clivejo> grrr
[19:00] <clivejo> calligra is missing files :(
[19:11] <clivejo> Riddell: dh_install: cp --reflink=auto -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/liblibkispsd.so.14 debian/krita//usr/lib/ returned exit code 1
[19:11] <clivejo> what have I done wrong this time :(
[19:48] <ahoneybun> that was scray
[19:48] <ahoneybun> I just had a X curser on reboot
[19:49] <ahoneybun> had to killall Xorg
[19:56] <genii> Ouch
[19:57] <ahoneybun> killall Xorg restarted everything
[20:05] <yofel_> clivejo: you most likely nothing, it's common that upstream changes files, or that libraries change version. What happens now is that debian/krita.install has a file listed that doesn't exist anymore
[20:06] <clivejo> yofel: there are a lot!
[20:06] <yofel> clivejo: so now remove that file from krita.install, and try dh_install again
[20:06] <clivejo> Ive tried that and removed like 10 files so far
[20:06] <clivejo> still missing files
[20:06] <clivejo> I think the build went wrong or something
[20:08] <yofel> hm, could be. check the cmake output if any optional dependencies are missing. Or check the cmake install output, maybe files just moved to a different location
[20:08] <yofel> but it might also be that the files did indeed vanish
[20:09] <clivejo> shouldnt it be documented?
[20:11] <yofel> no, the only thing you could check is the calligra git log, whether something major was done in krita
[20:12] <yofel> that's what I like to do at least when I want to find out why stuff is gone
[20:12] <ScottK> For build-deps you could diff the CMakeLists.txt for the old and new releases.
[20:43] <clivejo> is there no nepomuk-core-dev package in wily?
[20:44] <Riddell> clivejo: no nepomuk was removed a while ago
[20:44] <Riddell> some apps still ask for it's but it's optional and we opted out (as upstream requests)
[20:45] <clivejo> I just pulled the debian package for calligra
[20:45] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/
[20:46] <clivejo> so just remove it from control file?
[20:53] <yofel> it should've been long gone from ours
[20:54] <yofel> also, we have ubuntu-specific changes in the calligra package, so you can't just base the new one on the debian one. You'll have to first merge in our changes if you do that
[20:54] <yofel> (well, those changes that still make sense)
[21:00] <clivejo> I give up!
[21:00]  * clivejo throws stuff across the room
[21:08]  * valorie catches it and rolls it back