=== frecel_ is now known as frecel [05:08] latest report on my little new notebook: it healed itself somehow === DarthCodus__ is now known as DarthCodus === sgclark_sleeping is now known as sgclark === valorie_ is now known as valorie === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne [06:11] ahoneybun: that sounds like a good idea [06:22] Riddell, ScottK: telepathy-accounts-signon now in binary new [06:30] oooo [06:30] might be able to totally fixed the new lil cutie laptop [06:30] fix, I mean [06:53] Hi, Kubuntu failing to login, sddm failing and login not happeining [06:54] im on KDE 5.3 [06:54] WHy the Xserver is failing while login... what could be the reasons ? [07:37] Riddell, just a heads-up the silo16 ppa currently is broken. will have it fixed in about an hour === valorie is now known as valorie_ === valorie_ is now known as valorie [09:16] Good morning. [10:27] I was using a text file to keep notes in for packaging, but the file has disappeared from the file system. Anyone knoe what happened and if I can recover it? I was using Kate to view/edit it [10:33] Hey folks [10:34] Hey [10:34] clivejo: Kate will alsway keep a copy [10:34] it will be either prefixed or suffiex with a ~ [10:34] sick_rimmit: where? [10:35] Ive checked for hidden files in the same directory [10:35] In the location you were working with kate [10:35] it has gone! [10:35] also find is your freind [10:35] you couldtry [10:35] tried that too [10:35] find ~/ -cmin +60 -print === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [10:36] will find everything with updated contents in last 60 minutes [10:36] it happened a day of so ago [10:36] then you be able to see its location [10:36] The file was in ~/Documents [10:36] find ~/ -ctime -2 -print [10:36] = less than 2 days ago [10:37] find ~/Documents/ -ctime -2 -print [10:37] man find [10:37] find is jolly good shell foo [10:37] its not there [10:37] I know, but the file is gone! [10:43] even the history in Kate is gone :/ [10:51] even tried to recover the Documents folder with extundelete, but nothing was recovered :/ [11:16] Riddell, gcc-5 in silo16 is again fixed, armhf still building, however you only use amd64/i386 for your ppa [11:16] lovely === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [11:37] sick_rimmit: ping [11:37] ahoneybun: ping [11:41] pong ovidiu-florin [11:42] hmm.... [11:42] sick_rimmit Rick_Timmis PING [11:46] Hello [11:46] We need to talk [11:46] Ah I need to make Konversation give me a ping [11:46] ovidiu-florin: Sounds great [11:47] ahoneybun wanna start? [11:47] where are you thinking? [11:47] here, about the post [11:47] plus your in a meeting in RL [11:48] The post to Kubuntu Community ? [11:48] sick_rimmit:yea [11:48] OK, cool [11:48] go ahead [11:49] sick_rimmit: while I do really enjoy the idea, we have not talked about actually doing it [11:49] so posting on your own is a bit rash [11:49] How so ? [11:49] Did you read kubuntu-devel mailing list [11:50] I've seen a few but our team is a bit small to try it [11:50] I have only asked for useful links to stuff, that we may or may not be interested [11:50] in [11:51] but we should have come into agreement to send it, not sending it randomly [11:51] At this stage, we just want an aggregation of material in a place that;s easy to review [11:52] Ah OK, look I can see that you are bothered by this action, and that is something I do NOT want [11:52] If I have done that, then I am sorry [11:52] I know you did not mean anything by it [11:52] Are you in the picture with that the over all idea is ? [11:52] sick_rimmit: we got the feeling that you are looking for voluntees to twrite the Kubuntu documentation, which is mostly what ahoneybun is doing [11:53] an aggregation of community articles is something else [11:53] but that's why we have Kubuntu Wire for [11:54] I'm not against help, but I'm for cooperation [11:54] My objective was simply to give the G+ Community a task of crowd sourcing a bunch already exisitng materials [11:54] We don;t really have the time for that, [11:54] and ahoneybun certainly does not [11:54] I am excited at the work done by ahoneybun already [11:55] video wise they would have to be original a bit as Plasma 5 is still new [11:55] sick_rimmit: I was not alone [11:55] I think if this appeal turned into results, it would produce video material and some great feature articles [11:56] sick_rimmit: I feel that we should use trello more [11:56] ovidiu-florin: I accept that point, I agree.. [11:56] hindsight, I should of posted this idea into Trello so we could consider it together [11:57] I will ensure that happens next time [11:57] tbh the concept of videos and such are on trello and have been since 14.10.. [11:57] just could have used a ping here and there sick_rimmit :) [11:57] ahoneybun: Yes, indeed and I had in mind to actaully make some [11:57] to talk about it in depth [11:58] since that time however, KDE put a more formal video production project together [11:58] I was not aware of that [11:59] ovidiu-florin: https://trello.com/c/7wkDmSFw/18-add-custom-kubuntu-theme-to-new-kubuntu-doc [11:59] So this action that I posted was to get the crowd to find those videos [12:00] sick_rimmit: the call should have been for Kubuntu Promotional maybe, what do you think ovidiu-florin? [12:00] Whether or not you choose to use them in Kubuntu docs is an arbitrary option [12:00] ahoneybun: No that is not what I had in mind [12:01] I was hoping that in the responses we would find good quality application specific tutorials [12:01] These links you could then aggregate into you docs, perhaps a links or some other such thing [12:02] TBH, the greater value of the post is n the reaching out to an engage community, and provide a reason and purpose to get involved [12:03] hi [12:04] sick_rimmit: ok [12:04] I have to go [12:04] bbl [12:04] I do not want you to feel undermined, and I am sorry is you do feel that way, because it truly is not my intention [12:04] Riddell: so now that I'm ready to send you patches for gcc 5 build failures, you mentioned you didn't like the mail attachments very much [12:04] I am an action kind of person, and my action is in support of your work, not inspite of it [12:05] sick_rimmit: they're a bit faffy, probably my fault for using mutt on a remote server, I'd prefer them just to be put on a web server somewhere [12:05] Have a good day, and I will ensure to brief you via Trello in future [12:05] santa_: rather ^^ [12:05] Riddell: ok, so what about something like this: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12.0/ ? [12:06] if that format is ok I can make something to generate that automatically [12:06] I know sick_rimmit and thank you [12:06] santa_: lovely [12:06] sick_rimmit: be ready for OTA-5 on mondey [12:07] Riddell: ok, I will do it, another thing: if you look at the sample patch, the approach is the following: mark as optional the disappearing symbols after building with gcc 5 [12:07] source: https://wiki.debian.org/GCC5 [12:08] see "Roadmap for libstdc++" [12:08] Start fixing build failures without changing the default compiler. This should be possible for everything except for symbols files. For symbols files, make two builds one with the GCC 5 found in testing/unstable, and one with the GCC 5 found in experimental (>= 5.1.1-20). Alternatively do both builds with the compiler found in experimental, one with -D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=0, and one with D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=1, and prepare the [12:08] symbols file (maybe by adding a second file, or marking the symbols as optional). [12:09] hmm ok [12:09] so it seems to me the best approach to follow with kde frameworks for kubuntu is marking everything as optional, no matter what [12:09] yep, I guess so [12:09] doko: ↑ could you please confirm that we are doing it right? [12:12] sample patch: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12.0/threadweaver/0001-Mark-missing-symbols-for-GCC-5-as-optional.patch [12:13] (asking because we will have to do this kind of change to a lot of libraries, so would be nice to be sure that we are following the correct approach) [12:21] santa_, Riddell: sounds okish, I mean, you can drop these symbols later again. consider a pcakage renaming when you find cxx11 symbols in a library (e.g. I didn't find any for kde5libs [12:23] santa_, but always use the silo16 as dependency, and the GCC 5 as the default GCC [12:26] doko: yeah, I have to fix that in my own "ppa"; but I had a small problem: last time I checked aptitude using silo 16 segfaults; and I'm using the aptitude build dep resolver [12:27] s/segfaults/doesn't load because of a symbol lookup error/ [12:27] let me recheck the status [12:29] santa_, right I messed up gcc-5. now fixed in 5.2.1-11ubuntu1 [12:30] ohh, and maybe we don't have aptitude yet rebuilt [12:30] no [12:32] last time I tried it failed to build: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/aptitude_0.6.11-1ubuntu4~santa1_amd64.build [12:35] please use apt for now [12:37] doko: ok, thank you very much for the hints === sitter is now known as sitter_ === sitter_ is now known as sitter [17:14] Riddell: good evening, it seems my stuff to help you with gcc 5 is working very well; do you want to apply some patches I have or do you prefer to wait until monday? (I will have everything needed for frameworks the monday) [17:14] http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_kf5.html [17:14] ↑ status [17:14] http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/ [17:15] ↑ patches [17:32] Anyone might know something about dolphin-plugins-bazaar and bug 1264659. It seems to overlap quite a lot with another package. [17:32] bug 1264659 in dolphin-plugins-bazaar (Ubuntu) "package dolphin-plugins-bazaar (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/fileviewbazaarplugin.desktop', which is also in package kdesdk-dolphin-plugins 4:4.12.0-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264659 [17:32] ? [19:00] grrr [19:00] calligra is missing files :( [19:11] Riddell: dh_install: cp --reflink=auto -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/liblibkispsd.so.14 debian/krita//usr/lib/ returned exit code 1 [19:11] what have I done wrong this time :( [19:48] that was scray [19:48] I just had a X curser on reboot [19:49] had to killall Xorg [19:56] Ouch [19:57] killall Xorg restarted everything [20:05] clivejo: you most likely nothing, it's common that upstream changes files, or that libraries change version. What happens now is that debian/krita.install has a file listed that doesn't exist anymore === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:06] yofel: there are a lot! [20:06] clivejo: so now remove that file from krita.install, and try dh_install again [20:06] Ive tried that and removed like 10 files so far [20:06] still missing files [20:06] I think the build went wrong or something [20:08] hm, could be. check the cmake output if any optional dependencies are missing. Or check the cmake install output, maybe files just moved to a different location [20:08] but it might also be that the files did indeed vanish [20:09] shouldnt it be documented? [20:11] no, the only thing you could check is the calligra git log, whether something major was done in krita [20:12] that's what I like to do at least when I want to find out why stuff is gone [20:12] For build-deps you could diff the CMakeLists.txt for the old and new releases. [20:43] is there no nepomuk-core-dev package in wily? [20:44] clivejo: no nepomuk was removed a while ago [20:44] some apps still ask for it's but it's optional and we opted out (as upstream requests) [20:45] I just pulled the debian package for calligra [20:45] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/ [20:46] so just remove it from control file? [20:53] it should've been long gone from ours [20:54] also, we have ubuntu-specific changes in the calligra package, so you can't just base the new one on the debian one. You'll have to first merge in our changes if you do that [20:54] (well, those changes that still make sense) [21:00] I give up! [21:00] * clivejo throws stuff across the room [21:08] * valorie catches it and rolls it back