[01:30] cyphermox: I think you forgot to push your casper changes to bzr. Don't worry about it now, I'll fix it up... I just went to upload a new revision of the package based on the bzr branch to find it rejected due to your upload... [02:40] The current version of clutter-1.0 in wily is broken with many graphics card due to switching to gdk as the default backend. See bug 1462445 [02:40] bug 1462445 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole starts with blank screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1462445 [02:41] This means totem and parole don't function with their default videosink, and many other clutter apps have issues [02:42] Would it be safe to revert the change of default backend until a proper fix is found? https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?id=60dbeb9425f51fc602ba2fe89b2a968ef4b527ed [02:46] Noskcaj-school: hey, Laney won't be around today if I'm right, I'll do with the revert personnaly, but I didn't update clutter for quite some years, so I would prefer to have a second opinion [02:47] Oh hey didrocks. :) Wasn't aware you were currently so closely aligned with us down under. :p [02:48] didrocks: thanks. i'll link a bunch more bugs here that it should fix [02:49] TheMuso: hey! my jetlag is closely aligned (already up for 5 hours) ;) [02:49] didrocks: Ah ok, that makes sense. [02:49] Noskcaj-school: yeah, I bet there are quite some side-effects of this change… [02:50] TheMuso: yep! on the positive side, it's only 24°C right now and not 39°C like yesterday… [02:50] so working by night is quite an advantage [02:50] Yeah I can imagine, although 24 degrees overnight is still pretty warm. [02:51] The revert should be safe since it's what we've had until wily, but we'll need to fix the backend itself soonish [02:51] indeed, we have a hot summer here [02:51] Noskcaj-school: indeed === duflu_ is now known as duflu [04:20] Good morning [04:33] hey pitti! [04:38] ça va didrocks ! [04:39] ça va bien, et toi ? [04:39] jetlag though, slept 3 hours, wake up at midnight… and working since then :p [04:44] didrocks: where did you go? [04:45] Washington DC for 3 weeks [04:45] just diverted to New York for 4 days :) [04:45] oh, I forgot to send you this google+ post with the space food [04:45] asking if you wanted more :p [04:45] (I was explaining your deep interest to Julie) [04:58] didrocks: heh, thanks; I've had three space ice creams now, that was enough to get a feeling for it :) [05:00] ah, of course, ice creams had to be involved… :) [05:01] we got some frozen yogurts there, but no ice creams [05:11] didrocks: so did you spend a lot of time on the mall? [05:12] didrocks: I spent like a whole day on the Air & Space museum alone back then, and the one with the rocks and meteorites etc. (Natural History?) was also quite good [05:12] pitti: yeah, we visited most of the museum around it, and did as well a lot of walking in general (25km/day in New York and between 15 to 20 kms/day in DC) [05:13] wow [05:13] yeah, Natural History was interesting, the American history one as well [05:13] the National Art Gallery was bigger than what we expected [05:13] didrocks: we only had one weekend after the core sprint back then, not enough to see everything :/ [05:13] and also we visited the capitol, the capitol library which is splendid, the supreme court… [05:13] oh, great! we didn't get to that; "only" the white house [05:14] yeah, we even didn't visit everything we wanted, and that was in 3 weeks with almost no day off! [05:14] that sounds intense! [05:14] yeah, we couldn't go back to white house, to many people already booked [05:14] but Julie wasn't that disappointed [05:14] yeah, it really wasn't that big of a deal honestly [05:14] agreed, we are quite used to those kind of furnitures in Europe I guess [05:15] the capitol library was way more impressive [05:15] it's also a bit of a shame that I've been at the white house, but never yet at the "Bundeskanzleramt" in Berlin [05:15] I bet! [05:16] ah, I guess it's always that, you visit more than people living around :) [05:16] we spent the 14th of July at the embassee [05:16] was surprise to see there the ex prime-minister [05:17] also the imf (which is under French governance) president [05:18] and the first day in DC, we crossed on a street our agriculture current minister [05:18] never saw any famous politic in France, have to go to the US to see them :p [05:18] lol [05:19] so yeah, was a really nice trip! and at least, Julie discovered a little bit of this country [05:22] oh also, almost forgot [05:22] the smoothest ever immigration process to the US ever [05:22] 10 people in front of us [05:23] (seems there were only american citizen in this flight) [05:24] didrocks: wow! === broder_ is now known as broder [05:25] didrocks: so far my smoothest one was Austin last time [05:25] didrocks: with the passport machines; but even that took 10 mins (!) [05:25] we couldn't get there, it's only if you ESTA was already processed manually once [05:26] and I got a new one, and it was the first time for Julie… [06:00] pitti: I'm probably going to take a nap. Do you mind telling to seb and will if they are looking for me that I'll be back later on? (keeping IRC on). I've already worked 8 hours anyway today, but I'll keep in touch with them at lunch time/afternoon [06:00] let's see how long I can sleep… :p [06:01] didrocks: sure! sleep weel! [06:01] thanks, ttyl! [06:52] hm seems like I barely missed didrocks :) [06:52] morning! [07:00] good morning desktopers [07:04] hey larsu, hey seb128! [07:08] guten morgen pitti! [07:09] hey pitti, happy friday! how are you? [07:12] seb128: quite well, thanks! yourself? [07:12] seb128: FYI, didrocks' body clock is still all wrong; didrocks | 00:07:09> good well, morning I guess :) [07:13] seb128: he went to bed an hour ago, but he'll catch up with you and will around noon [07:14] pitti, yeah, I read the irclog when I saw larsu's comment [07:14] pitti, weird jetlag shift from a trip back from US eastcoast ;-) [07:14] I usually sleep until like 1am when I come back [07:15] ups [07:15] 1pm I mean [07:16] oh, and I'm good thanks ;-) [07:16] yeah, maybe instead of adjusting 6 hours forward he's trying to adjust 18 hours backwards :) [07:26] :-) [07:43] pitti, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/wily/i386/ is that a new infra bug/do you want to be pinged about those? [07:45] seb128: I'm still regularly watching the tmpfail ones, so no need for that yet [07:46] seb128: that's the kind of hiccup I'm looking for indeed [07:47] k [07:51] morning [07:57] hey willcooke [08:02] bah, no golf on this morning [08:02] Washed out [08:03] They said it rained 12mm in 30 mins this morning [08:03] urg [08:03] welcome to england! [08:03] Scotland [08:03] :) [08:03] haha [08:03] Nothing to do with us ;[ [08:03] ;p [08:03] yeah yeah [08:03] lol [08:05] seb128: so, this auto-retries up to 3 times after such a "nova boot" failure (it has a timeout of 30 mins, usually it takes 1 min) [08:05] seb128: so for now I take it scalingstack was down for a longer period last night [08:05] seb128: it already broke down for about an hour yesterday around noon, I asked and they fixed it [08:06] seb128: so for now I'm just re-running all tmpfail tests [08:06] seb128: (just FYI) [08:06] seems not a really reliable infrastructure :-/ [08:06] pitti, k, thanks [08:07] seb128: well, this is all still fairly new, so lots of opportunities for IS to learn :) but I think they actually fixed a config bug there, it was not just a "reboot and hope" thing [08:07] k [08:07] seb128: and I can certainly improve the auto-retry thing, that's my part [08:07] larsu, oh btw, what's the status of the theme update? Laney if off today and you are on vac starting tonight ... [08:08] seb128: that's the point of running that for 2/3 weeks on the side, and seeing the fallout [08:08] pitti, yeah, ideally you could rely on the infra to be up, but things need to work in real world not in theory... [08:08] seb128: well, it's not like the four current machines never fail :) [08:08] * pitti strokes his sore "retry test" finger [08:08] lol [08:12] seb128: I've proposed the nautilus parts on Monday. I'll get eog and some minor things up later today (at latest on the weekend) - after I figure out this terminal resizing thing [08:12] larsu, k [08:12] what's the status on the overlay scrollbars? [08:12] what do you mean? [08:13] can we merge it? [08:13] I though that was part of the coming theme update [08:13] no, it's been proposed for a while [08:13] waiting on design I think [08:13] oh, right, willcooke was supposed to ask them? [08:13] I think he did and people liked it, but I don't know if that was the official answer yet [08:13] I'll ask him when he's around [08:15] k, let's land it then, I think we agreed that it was a good start in any case even if extra tweaking is needed later [08:15] willcooke, ^ [08:17] larsu, the nautilus changes look good to me, approved it [08:18] thanks! [08:18] yw! [08:24] larsu, seb128 - it's with johnlea. He was due to talk to Mark about it yesterday. We gave him a video showing the new set up and he was going to demo to Mark [08:24] k [08:24] let we know when you hear back from him [08:24] I'm just trying to get hold of him now.... [08:24] thanks [08:26] seb128, Laney: FYI, bug 1475537 [08:26] bug 1475537 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Wily) "powerpc/ppc64el regression: libgtk-3-dev broken in 3.16.5-1ubuntu1" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475537 [08:29] shrug [08:29] why is that arch specific? [08:30] pitti, thanks for finding it out :-) [08:30] seb128: I just followed up again [08:31] thanks [08:31] seb128: libmirclient-dev [amd64 arm64 armhf i386], [08:31] is that from a time where mir didn't exist on other archs? [08:32] apparently so [08:32] k, so we just need to drop those restrictions I guess [08:32] * seb128 does that [08:32] right [08:33] seb128: so build and binary deps should have the same arch list [08:33] either drop the build dep from powerpc/ppc64el, or drop the arch list from the -dev, depending on whether mir works on ppc [08:34] I don't know if it "works" [08:34] but it builds/should be installable [08:34] seb128: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/ est vert à nouveau [08:34] bien ! [08:35] seb128: so I agree, just dropping the arch restriction in the -dev sounds fine for now [08:35] cool [08:35] thanks pitti [08:35] seb128: thanks for fixing! once this is in -proposed, I can rebuild packagekit and resolve that NBS [08:35] * pitti loves the pre-holiday rush [08:36] hehe [08:51] pitti, fix uploaded, I untagged the bug but maybe I should wait for gtk to build for that? [08:51] pitti, though there are some boottest regression in the mir stack so it's not going to migrate now anyway [08:52] seb128: ah, untagging sounds fine [08:52] good [08:52] seb128: that's ok -- it doesn't need to migrate to allow reverse dependencies to build [08:52] yeah, it was rather the other way around [08:52] I didn't want the current gtk to migrate before the new one builds [09:45] ? [09:45] oops, wrong screen === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [11:09] pitti: seb128: so, for the record, it's weird, I couldn't sleep on the way back, so skipped a night during flight (and arrived at Frankfurt at 5am) [11:09] then, waiting for the flight to Lyon, even not sleepy [11:10] didrocks: hey! feeling better now? [11:10] I just slept for the first time yesterday from 9am to midnight and was all fresh and ready to work :p [11:10] pitti: a little bit (actually, I'm awaken for an hour already, but was backlogging on email first) [11:10] thanks ;) [11:10] but yeah, first time I have this kind of jetlag clock [11:12] I'm sure as well that the 38°C in Lyon doesn't help to have a good sleep [11:20] hey didrocks [11:21] didrocks: how about sleeping on icecubes? [11:21] ... didier on the rocks. [11:21] get your coat [11:21] hrhr [11:22] hey willcooke! [11:22] * didrocks now considers Sweet5hark's suggestion [11:23] willcooke: so, it seems like I'll do night shifts for now on :p [11:24] from* [11:24] ah, good - I was going to ask you if you would anyway [11:24] ;) [11:24] oh [11:25] and day shifts too [11:25] willcooke: seems like the current experiment for today anyway, right? ;) [11:25] :D === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:34] * desrt yawns [12:36] hey desrt [12:36] hihi! [12:37] morning desrt [12:37] didrocks, hey as well :-) [12:37] hey seb128 ;-) [12:37] (just read the irclog, my laptop was not plugged correctly and went flat during lunch) [12:38] ah ok, I didn't see you leaving IRC [12:39] only 45 mails to go to finish the entire backlog \o/ [12:39] hellos to everyone!! === tedg is now known as ted === xclaesse` is now known as xclaesse === ted is now known as tedg === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [15:04] LibreOffice on wayland via gdk/gtk3: http://caolanm.blogspot.de/2015/07/libreoffice-on-wayland.html [15:24] Sweet5hark, neat! [15:32] willcooke: btw the current prereleases also default to use gtk3 right now still. But I guess I will still revert to gtk2 for us as default as a/ I dont know how stable gtk3 is now IRL b/ gtk3-foo currently has no gmenumodel-dbus-unity-foo right now. [15:32] kk [15:33] (for wily. it looks rather stable, so should be good for anything later) [15:35] willcooke: hey Will; sorry if that's a faq, but i there a quick way to switch between the desktop greeter and the "touch" one on wily? [15:35] i booted on a daily image with the touch greeter and after an upgrade i'm getting the desktop greeter [15:36] hummm [15:36] if you set the session to U8 and login from the initial greeter [15:36] do you get the U8 greeter? [15:36] yes [15:36] actually i can't login but i don't see anything in .xsession-errors [15:37] ah, in .cache/upstart/unity8.log, where it belongs ;) [15:38] mir failes to find platform for current system [15:39] is mir-graphics-drivers-desktop installed? [15:40] seb128: yes, 0.13.3+15.10.20150617 [15:40] k, dunno then [15:40] what's your issue exactly? [15:41] session fails to start [15:41] you try to log into an unity8 session from unity-greeter and you get back to the greeter? [15:41] i'll keep digging, just getting myself used to the setup [15:41] seb128: yes, exactly [15:41] is that a new install? [15:41] yes [15:41] try to rm .cache/upstart and /var/log/lightdm [15:41] daily image install in vmware + apt-get upgrade [15:41] then restart lightdm, try to log in [15:41] ok [15:41] oh, vmware [15:41] could be that you are on software rendering [15:41] that mir doesn't support [15:42] but it worked initally, so it shouldn't be that bad [15:42] you can try to check the /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log [15:42] ah ok, i will check that as well [15:42] that makes for a lot of tracks to follow; thanks seb128 [15:43] yw === meetingology is now known as Guest99235 [15:58] seb128: the rm's made it work again; also i had to generate the ssh host key manually, which the setup had failed to generate [15:58] now i can debug the rest [16:10] davidbarth, seb128 I've seen that ssh issue a few times now [16:11] I'll do a bit of digging === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === Steve_Jo1 is now known as Steve_Jobs