[01:30] <TheMuso> cyphermox: I think you forgot to push your casper changes to bzr. Don't worry about it now, I'll fix it up... I just went to upload a new revision of the package based on the bzr branch to find it rejected due to your upload...
[02:40] <Noskcaj-school> The current version of clutter-1.0 in wily is broken with many graphics card due to switching to gdk as the default backend. See bug 1462445
[02:41] <Noskcaj-school> This means totem and parole don't function with their default videosink, and many other clutter apps have issues
[02:42] <Noskcaj-school> Would it be safe to revert the change of default backend until a proper fix is found? https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?id=60dbeb9425f51fc602ba2fe89b2a968ef4b527ed
[02:46] <didrocks> Noskcaj-school: hey, Laney won't be around today if I'm right, I'll do with the revert personnaly, but I didn't update clutter for quite some years, so I would prefer to have a second opinion
[02:47] <TheMuso> Oh hey didrocks. :) Wasn't aware you were currently so closely aligned with us down under. :p
[02:48] <Noskcaj-school> didrocks: thanks. i'll link a bunch more bugs here that it should fix
[02:49] <didrocks> TheMuso: hey! my jetlag is closely aligned (already up for 5 hours) ;)
[02:49] <TheMuso> didrocks: Ah ok, that makes sense.
[02:49] <didrocks> Noskcaj-school: yeah, I bet there are quite some side-effects of this change…
[02:50] <didrocks> TheMuso: yep! on the positive side, it's only 24°C right now and not 39°C like yesterday…
[02:50] <didrocks> so working by night is quite an advantage
[02:50] <TheMuso> Yeah I can imagine, although 24 degrees overnight is still pretty warm.
[02:51] <Noskcaj-school> The revert should be safe since it's what we've had until wily, but we'll need to fix the backend itself soonish
[02:51] <didrocks> indeed, we have a hot summer here
[02:51] <didrocks> Noskcaj-school: indeed
[04:20] <pitti> Good morning
[04:33] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[04:38] <pitti> ça va didrocks !
[04:39] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi ?
[04:39] <didrocks> jetlag though, slept 3 hours, wake up at midnight… and working since then :p
[04:44] <pitti> didrocks: where did you go?
[04:45] <didrocks> Washington DC for 3 weeks
[04:45] <didrocks> just diverted to New York for 4 days :)
[04:45] <didrocks> oh, I forgot to send you this google+ post with the space food
[04:45] <didrocks> asking if you wanted more :p
[04:45] <didrocks> (I was explaining your deep interest to Julie)
[04:58] <pitti> didrocks: heh, thanks; I've had three space ice creams now, that was enough to get a feeling for it :)
[05:00] <didrocks> ah, of course, ice creams had to be involved… :)
[05:01] <didrocks> we got some frozen yogurts there, but no ice creams
[05:11] <pitti> didrocks: so did you spend a lot of time on the mall?
[05:12] <pitti> didrocks: I spent like a whole day on the Air & Space museum alone back then, and the one with the rocks and meteorites etc. (Natural History?) was also quite good
[05:12] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, we visited most of the museum around it, and did as well a lot of walking in general (25km/day in New York and between 15 to 20 kms/day in DC)
[05:13] <pitti> wow
[05:13] <didrocks> yeah, Natural History was interesting, the American history one as well
[05:13] <didrocks> the National Art Gallery was bigger than what we expected
[05:13] <pitti> didrocks: we only had one weekend after the core sprint back then, not enough to see everything :/
[05:13] <didrocks> and also we visited the capitol, the capitol library which is splendid, the supreme court…
[05:13] <pitti> oh, great! we didn't get to that; "only" the white house
[05:14] <didrocks> yeah, we even didn't visit everything we wanted, and that was in 3 weeks with almost no day off!
[05:14] <pitti> that sounds intense!
[05:14] <didrocks> yeah, we couldn't go back to white house, to many people already booked
[05:14] <didrocks> but Julie wasn't that disappointed
[05:14] <pitti> yeah, it really wasn't that big of a deal honestly
[05:14] <didrocks> agreed, we are quite used to those kind of furnitures in Europe I guess
[05:15] <didrocks> the capitol library was way more impressive
[05:15] <pitti> it's also a bit of a shame that I've been at the white house, but never yet at the "Bundeskanzleramt" in Berlin
[05:15] <pitti> I bet!
[05:16] <didrocks> ah, I guess it's always that, you visit more than people living around :)
[05:16] <didrocks> we spent the 14th of July at the embassee
[05:16] <didrocks> was surprise to see there the ex prime-minister
[05:17] <didrocks> also the imf (which is under French governance) president
[05:18] <didrocks> and the first day in DC, we crossed on a street our agriculture current minister
[05:18] <didrocks> never saw any famous politic in France, have to go to the US to see them :p
[05:18] <pitti> lol
[05:19] <didrocks> so yeah, was a really nice trip! and at least, Julie discovered a little bit of this country
[05:22] <didrocks> oh also, almost forgot
[05:22] <didrocks> the smoothest ever immigration process to the US ever
[05:22] <didrocks> 10 people in front of us
[05:23] <didrocks> (seems there were only american citizen in this flight)
[05:24] <pitti> didrocks: wow!
[05:25] <pitti> didrocks: so far my smoothest one was Austin last time
[05:25] <pitti> didrocks: with the passport machines; but even that took 10 mins (!)
[05:25] <didrocks> we couldn't get there, it's only if you ESTA was already processed manually once
[05:26] <didrocks> and I got a new one, and it was the first time for Julie…
[06:00] <didrocks> pitti: I'm probably going to take a nap. Do you mind telling to seb and will if they are looking for me that I'll be back later on? (keeping IRC on). I've already worked 8 hours anyway today, but I'll keep in touch with them at lunch time/afternoon
[06:00] <didrocks> let's see how long I can sleep… :p
[06:01] <pitti> didrocks: sure! sleep weel!
[06:01] <didrocks> thanks, ttyl!
[06:52] <larsu> hm seems like I barely missed didrocks :)
[06:52] <larsu> morning!
[07:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:04] <pitti> hey larsu, hey seb128!
[07:08] <larsu> guten morgen pitti!
[07:09] <seb128> hey pitti, happy friday! how are you?
[07:12] <pitti> seb128: quite well, thanks! yourself?
[07:12] <pitti> seb128: FYI, didrocks' body clock is still all wrong; didrocks | 00:07:09> good well, morning I guess :)
[07:13] <pitti> seb128: he went to bed an hour ago, but he'll catch up with you and will around noon
[07:14] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I read the irclog when I saw larsu's comment
[07:14] <seb128> pitti, weird jetlag shift from a trip back from US eastcoast ;-)
[07:14] <seb128> I usually sleep until like 1am when I come back
[07:15] <seb128> ups
[07:15] <seb128> 1pm I mean
[07:16] <seb128> oh, and I'm good thanks ;-)
[07:16] <pitti> yeah, maybe instead of adjusting 6 hours forward he's trying to adjust 18 hours backwards :)
[07:26] <seb128> :-)
[07:43] <seb128> pitti, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/wily/i386/ is that a new infra bug/do you want to be pinged about those?
[07:45] <pitti> seb128: I'm still regularly watching the tmpfail ones, so no need for that yet
[07:46] <pitti> seb128: that's the kind of hiccup I'm looking for indeed
[07:47] <seb128> k
[07:51] <willcooke> morning
[07:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:02] <willcooke> bah, no golf on this morning
[08:02] <willcooke> Washed out
[08:03] <willcooke> They said it rained 12mm in 30 mins this morning
[08:03] <seb128> urg
[08:03] <seb128> welcome to england!
[08:03] <willcooke> Scotland
[08:03] <willcooke> :)
[08:03] <seb128> haha
[08:03] <willcooke> Nothing to do with us ;[
[08:03] <willcooke> ;p
[08:03] <seb128> yeah yeah
[08:03] <willcooke> lol
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: so, this auto-retries up to 3 times after such a "nova boot" failure (it has a timeout of 30 mins, usually it takes 1 min)
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: so for now I take it scalingstack was down for a longer period last night
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: it already broke down for about an hour yesterday around noon, I asked and they fixed it
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: so for now I'm just re-running all tmpfail tests
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: (just FYI)
[08:06] <seb128> seems not a really reliable infrastructure :-/
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, k, thanks
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: well, this is all still fairly new, so lots of opportunities for IS to learn :) but I think they actually fixed a config bug there, it was not just a "reboot and hope" thing
[08:07] <seb128> k
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: and I can certainly improve the auto-retry thing, that's my part
[08:07] <seb128> larsu, oh btw, what's the status of the theme update? Laney if off today and you are on vac starting tonight ...
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: that's the point of running that for 2/3 weeks on the side, and seeing the fallout
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, yeah, ideally you could rely on the infra to be up, but things need to work in real world not in theory...
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: well, it's not like the four current machines never fail :)
[08:08]  * pitti strokes his sore "retry test" finger
[08:08] <seb128> lol
[08:12] <larsu> seb128: I've proposed the nautilus parts on Monday. I'll get eog and some minor things up later today (at latest on the weekend) - after I figure out this terminal resizing thing
[08:12] <seb128> larsu, k
[08:12] <larsu> what's the status on the overlay scrollbars?
[08:12] <seb128> what do you mean?
[08:13] <larsu> can we merge it?
[08:13] <seb128> I though that was part of the coming theme update
[08:13] <larsu> no, it's been proposed for a while
[08:13] <larsu> waiting on design I think
[08:13] <seb128> oh, right, willcooke was supposed to ask them?
[08:13] <larsu> I think he did and people liked it, but I don't know if that was the official answer yet
[08:13] <larsu> I'll ask him when he's around
[08:15] <seb128> k, let's land it then, I think we agreed that it was a good start in any case even if extra tweaking is needed later
[08:15] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, the nautilus changes look good to me, approved it
[08:18] <larsu> thanks!
[08:18] <seb128> yw!
[08:24] <willcooke> larsu, seb128 - it's with johnlea.  He was due to talk to Mark about it yesterday.  We gave him a video showing the new set up and he was going to demo to Mark
[08:24] <seb128> k
[08:24] <seb128> let we know when you hear back from him
[08:24] <willcooke> I'm just trying to get hold of him now....
[08:24] <seb128> thanks
[08:26] <pitti> seb128, Laney: FYI, bug 1475537
[08:29] <seb128> shrug
[08:29] <seb128> why is that arch specific?
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, thanks for finding it out :-)
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: I just followed up again
[08:31] <seb128> thanks
[08:31] <pitti> seb128:          libmirclient-dev [amd64 arm64 armhf i386],
[08:31] <seb128> is that from a time where mir didn't exist on other archs?
[08:32] <pitti> apparently so
[08:32] <seb128> k, so we just need to drop those restrictions I guess
[08:32]  * seb128 does that
[08:32] <pitti> right
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: so build and binary deps should have the same arch list
[08:33] <pitti> either drop the build dep from powerpc/ppc64el, or drop the arch list from the -dev, depending on whether mir works on ppc
[08:34] <seb128> I don't know if it "works"
[08:34] <seb128> but it builds/should be installable
[08:34] <pitti> seb128: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/ est vert à nouveau
[08:34] <seb128> bien !
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: so I agree, just dropping the arch restriction in the -dev sounds fine for now
[08:35] <seb128> cool
[08:35] <seb128> thanks pitti
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: thanks for fixing! once this is in -proposed, I can rebuild packagekit and resolve that NBS
[08:35]  * pitti loves the pre-holiday rush
[08:36] <seb128> hehe
[08:51] <seb128> pitti, fix uploaded, I untagged the bug but maybe I should wait for gtk to build for that?
[08:51] <seb128> pitti, though there are some boottest regression in the mir stack so it's not going to migrate now anyway
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: ah, untagging sounds fine
[08:52] <seb128> good
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: that's ok -- it doesn't need to migrate to allow reverse dependencies to build
[08:52] <seb128> yeah, it was rather the other way around
[08:52] <seb128> I didn't want the current gtk to migrate before the new one builds
[09:45] <willcooke> ?
[09:45] <willcooke> oops, wrong screen
[11:09] <didrocks> pitti: seb128: so, for the record, it's weird, I couldn't sleep on the way back, so skipped a night during flight (and arrived at Frankfurt at 5am)
[11:09] <didrocks> then, waiting for the flight to Lyon, even not sleepy
[11:10] <pitti> didrocks: hey! feeling better now?
[11:10] <didrocks> I just slept for the first time yesterday from 9am to midnight and was all fresh and ready to work :p
[11:10] <didrocks> pitti: a little bit (actually, I'm awaken for an hour already, but was backlogging on email first)
[11:10] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[11:10] <didrocks> but yeah, first time I have this kind of jetlag clock
[11:12] <didrocks> I'm sure as well that the 38°C in Lyon doesn't help to have a good sleep
[11:20] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: how about sleeping on icecubes?
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> ... didier on the rocks.
[11:21] <willcooke> get your coat
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[11:22] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[11:22]  * didrocks now considers Sweet5hark's suggestion
[11:23] <didrocks> willcooke: so, it seems like I'll do night shifts for now on :p
[11:24] <didrocks> from*
[11:24] <willcooke> ah, good - I was going to ask you if you would anyway
[11:24] <willcooke> ;)
[11:24] <willcooke> oh
[11:25] <willcooke> and day shifts too
[11:25] <didrocks> willcooke: seems like the current experiment for today anyway, right? ;)
[11:25] <willcooke> :D
[12:34]  * desrt yawns
[12:36] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:36] <desrt> hihi!
[12:37] <didrocks> morning desrt
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, hey as well :-)
[12:37] <didrocks> hey seb128 ;-)
[12:37] <seb128> (just read the irclog, my laptop was not plugged correctly and went flat during lunch)
[12:38] <didrocks> ah ok, I didn't see you leaving IRC
[12:39] <didrocks> only 45 mails to go to finish the entire backlog \o/
[12:39] <desrt> hellos to everyone!!
[15:04] <Sweet5hark> LibreOffice on wayland via gdk/gtk3: http://caolanm.blogspot.de/2015/07/libreoffice-on-wayland.html
[15:24] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, neat!
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: btw the current prereleases also default to use gtk3 right now still. But I guess I will still revert to gtk2 for us as default as a/ I dont know how stable gtk3 is now IRL b/ gtk3-foo currently has no gmenumodel-dbus-unity-foo right now.
[15:32] <willcooke> kk
[15:33] <Sweet5hark> (for wily. it looks rather stable, so should be good for anything later)
[15:35] <davidbarth> willcooke: hey Will; sorry if that's a faq, but i there a quick way to switch between the desktop greeter and the "touch" one on wily?
[15:35] <davidbarth> i booted on a daily image with the touch greeter and after an upgrade i'm getting the desktop greeter
[15:36] <willcooke> hummm
[15:36] <willcooke> if you set the session to U8 and login from the initial greeter
[15:36] <willcooke> do you get the U8 greeter?
[15:36] <seb128> yes
[15:36] <davidbarth> actually i can't login but i don't see anything in .xsession-errors
[15:37] <davidbarth> ah, in .cache/upstart/unity8.log, where it belongs ;)
[15:38] <davidbarth> mir failes to find platform for current system
[15:39] <seb128> is mir-graphics-drivers-desktop installed?
[15:40] <davidbarth> seb128: yes, 0.13.3+15.10.20150617
[15:40] <seb128> k, dunno then
[15:40] <seb128> what's your issue exactly?
[15:41] <davidbarth> session fails to start
[15:41] <seb128> you try to log into an unity8 session from unity-greeter and you get back to the greeter?
[15:41] <davidbarth> i'll keep digging, just getting myself used to the setup
[15:41] <davidbarth> seb128: yes, exactly
[15:41] <seb128> is that a new install?
[15:41] <davidbarth> yes
[15:41] <seb128> try to rm .cache/upstart and /var/log/lightdm
[15:41] <davidbarth> daily image install in vmware + apt-get upgrade
[15:41] <seb128> then restart lightdm, try to log in
[15:41] <davidbarth> ok
[15:41] <seb128> oh, vmware
[15:41] <seb128> could be that you are on software rendering
[15:41] <seb128> that mir doesn't support
[15:42] <davidbarth> but it worked initally, so it shouldn't be that bad
[15:42] <seb128> you can try to check the /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log
[15:42] <davidbarth> ah ok, i will check that as well
[15:42] <davidbarth> that makes for a lot of tracks to follow; thanks seb128
[15:43] <seb128> yw
[15:58] <davidbarth> seb128: the rm's made it work again; also i had to generate the ssh host key manually, which the setup had failed to generate
[15:58] <davidbarth> now i can debug the rest
[16:10] <willcooke> davidbarth, seb128 I've seen that ssh issue a few times now
[16:11] <willcooke> I'll do a bit of digging