[05:51]  * conyoo good morning o_O
[07:15] <Isotop7> what do i have to in order to get my submitted bug reviewed...its staying at new/undecided for two weeks...
[07:24] <conyoo> Isotop7, report a bug against launchpad :> triage/reviews takes too long (then post the bug rep here, so we can increase the bug heat)
[08:37] <jgdx> Isotop7, what's the bug?
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Yellow Pig Day! 😃
[10:18] <Saviq> cyphermox, hey, I noticed recently that the GSM signal level as communicated to my car kit is always at 1 bar, even when the phone says 5 bars, is that know? if not, where should I file a bug?
[10:22] <Saviq> anyone can confirm / disprove bug #1475577 please?
[10:27] <davmor2> Saviq: it's not sent I think, mine is empty constantly, known issue
[10:28] <Saviq> davmor2, ok, any idea if there's a bug yet?
[10:28] <davmor2> Saviq: probably
[10:29] <Saviq> bug #1447761
[10:29] <Saviq> that was easy
[10:32] <davmor2> Saviq: you beat me to it :)
[10:40] <pete-woods> jgdx: pretty sure I've broken the codepath for enabling the hotspot when there's an existing connection
[10:40] <pete-woods> (lp:~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active)
[10:40] <pete-woods> ^ branch to look at
[10:41] <pete-woods> jgdx: I don
[10:41] <pete-woods> 't see a path to set enabled = true when you go that way
[10:41] <pete-woods> we do destroy -> onRemoved
[10:41] <pete-woods> but then enabled is never set to true
[10:55] <jgdx> pete-woods, I am just going to grab something to eat and then take a look
[10:56] <SturmFlut> UbuContest is going live! Give us ten minutes to update all the websites :)
[10:58] <SturmFlut> http://ubucon.de/2015/contest
[10:58] <pete-woods> jgdx: awesome, thanks
[10:58] <pete-woods> have totally peppered the code with debug statements now
[10:58] <pete-woods> jgdx: you can debug without the USS UI with the following, btw:
[10:58] <pete-woods>  gdbus call -e -d com.ubuntu.connectivity1 -o /com/ubuntu/connectivity1/Private -m com.ubuntu.connectivity1.Private.SetHotspotEnabled true
[10:58] <pete-woods>  / false
[10:59] <pete-woods> while tailing ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-network.log
[11:34] <nhaines> SturmFlut: congrats!  :)
[11:40] <SturmFlut> nhaines: \o/
[11:41] <SturmFlut> nhaines: Looks like there already are some people who want to register. Technically I would be allow to participate too, but I might win back my own phone ;)
[11:42] <nhaines> lol
[11:43] <svij> SturmFlut: your apps are crap anyway, no chance that I would give you my jury points ;)
[11:45] <cwayne> too bad you can't win by volume
[11:46] <cwayne> id just go on a scopes tear and write like 12 again
[11:46] <cwayne> :)
[11:47] <SturmFlut> svij: Oh my, you're already drunk on your jury powers. Didn't expect it to happen so fast
[11:47] <SturmFlut> svij: I mean, it was bound to happen, but after ten minutes?
[11:49] <mah454> Hello
[11:49] <mah454> I want to flash meizu mx4 to install ubuntu touch .
[11:49] <mah454> I read this document : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[11:49] <SturmFlut> mah454: You most likely can't, you have to get the Ubuntu Edition.
[11:49] <svij> SturmFlut: :)
[11:49] <mah454> SturmFlut: so why can not do that ?
[11:50] <mah454> why can not ?
[11:51] <SturmFlut> mah454: You need the right version of the phone (unlocked bootloader), a special tool and the right files to flash it.
[11:51] <mah454> SturmFlut: Meizu MX4 is not unlocked bootloader ?
[11:52] <SturmFlut> mah454: Only the international version, and even there we're not sure
[11:52] <k1l> are there any known differences between android and ubuntu version of mx4?
[11:52] <popey> ours is unlocked for sure i believe
[11:53] <SturmFlut> k1l: Not hardware-wise, but Meizu flashes different bootloaders. Apparently somebody managed to flash a specific version of Flyme on his Ubuntu Edition device, but I've never really seen it the other way round.
[11:53] <k1l> so the ubuntu one got a open bootloader? and the android one not?
[11:54] <mah454> MX4 android use fastboot .
[11:55] <k1l> mah454: that is not related to the bootloader beeing able to load other OS(kernels)
[11:55] <mah454> on this command : fastboot oem unlock  receive this message : FAILED (remote: unknown command)
[11:56] <SturmFlut> k1l: The Ubuntu one has an open one, yes, the Android one depends on if it's the chinese or international version, and we're not sure if every international version device is unlocked. Not enough people around with enough expertise to really tell us. And I refuse to check it, flashing Ubuntu to Android or Android to Ubuntu is just going to cause great amounts of pain.
[11:56] <SturmFlut> mah454: "fastboot oem unlock" only works on Google Nexus devices.
[11:56] <k1l> SturmFlut: ah, ok
[11:56] <mah454> SturmFlut: Opss ......
[11:57] <mah454> SturmFlut: So what can i do ?
[11:58] <popey> buy an mx4 ubuntu edition? :)
[11:58] <SturmFlut> mah454: Basically nothing. Buy the Ubuntu Edition.
[11:59] <mah454> I think must have a way :)
[11:59] <popey> you are not the first to say that :)
[12:01] <ogra_> k1l, the partitioning is different to the android versions on all devices but nexus ones
[12:01] <mah454> popey: We Iranians have a saying that says: If I am a camel driver know where I Shtrrv
[12:02] <mah454> I found a way ....
[12:02] <mah454> bye ...
[12:03] <popey> o/
[12:03] <k1l> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61236952&postcount=110
[12:04] <k1l> seems like all chinese mx4 android(flyme) are locked. the international seem to be random. but there isnt even a mx4 subforum on xda so it seems there is not that much hope to get anything working on the android mx4
[12:04] <popey> i am fine with this
[12:05] <ogra_> well, and you need the vendor flash tool to re-partition before you can even install ubuntu
[12:05] <k1l> bq did offer that to flash ubuntu onto the android-shipped ones, iirc
[12:06] <ogra_> yep, meizu doesnt (yet ?) though
[12:07] <jgdx> pete-woods, did silo 46 build ok?
[12:12] <pete-woods> jgdx: I think so
[12:12] <pete-woods> I think I have a fix for the wily build in there, now
[12:12] <pete-woods> jgdx: yeah, looks like it worked
[12:15] <jgdx> pete-woods, thanks
[12:22] <jgdx> pete-woods, I'm still looking, but if that code becomes problematic, one solution is not to destroy it and re-create it, but instead ask NM to re-activate it.
[12:22] <pete-woods> jgdx: well the bit that worries me, is that the actual variable m_enabled doesn't seem toget set
[12:24] <jgdx> pete-woods, the handler onNewConnection does set it
[12:25] <pete-woods> jgdx: ah! that makes more sense now :)
[12:25] <jgdx> but only if the new connection in NM is the hotspot path
[12:25] <pete-woods> yeah, understand what I'm looking at now
[12:25] <jgdx> great, sorry for the lag
[12:25] <pete-woods> I'm going to wolverhampton now
[12:26] <pete-woods> to return davmor2's laptop I borrowed
[12:26] <pete-woods> so will continue this possibly tonight / monday
[12:26] <jgdx> okay
[12:26] <pete-woods> jgdx: thanks for any effort you put into this
[12:26] <pete-woods> :)
[12:27] <jgdx> thanks+quit is murder for polite people
[12:35] <SturmFlut> Does anybody know which future OTA is supposed to make the switch to Mir >= 0.13?
[12:35] <SturmFlut> A couple of third-party things I wanted to compile yesterday already require it
[12:41] <nhaines> SturmFlut: apt-cache policy libmirclient8 on an OTA-5ish image returns "Installed: 0.13.3+.04.2150617-0ubuntu1"
[12:44] <SturmFlut> nhaines: Hmmm, that brings me to the question: At which point will the 15.04 chroot pull this in? Never? When enough people have updated to OTA-5?
[12:45] <nhaines> SturmFlut: we live in a world of mystery. :)
[12:51] <SturmFlut> By the way, Canonical employees cannot submit apps or scopes for UbuContest, but you can nominate community members for prizes...
[12:51] <nhaines> Certainly sounds like a good idea.
[12:51] <nhaines> Doesn't affect me though!
[12:58] <Elleo> SturmFlut: is there a limit on the number of people you can nominate?
[12:58] <SturmFlut> Elleo: The form is anonymous and we don't set cookies or track IP addresses... ;)
[12:59] <Elleo> SturmFlut: okay
[13:00] <nhaines> Clearly a missed opportunity for Ubuntu phone ads.
[13:03] <Elleo> SturmFlut: the achievements field is a bit limiting, any chance of a longer input limit? Can't list all the things the guy I want to nominate has done :P
[13:04] <SturmFlut> Elleo: Oh, how long is it?
[13:04] <SturmFlut> Hm, 128 characters I see
[13:04] <SturmFlut> svij: Any chance to increase that?
[13:06] <svij> SturmFlut: let me check
[13:08] <svij> SturmFlut: Elleo: it's a textarea (instead of a textfield) now
[13:09] <Elleo> svij: great, thanks :)
[13:17] <svij> Elleo: ping me if you submitted your nomination, I just want to make sure, that everything works fine with real data ;)
[13:23] <Elleo> svij: just submitted
[13:24] <svij> Elleo: arrived, thanks. Seems thats everything working fine. :)
[13:24] <Elleo> svij: great
[13:25] <apol_> Is policykit supposed to work on ubuntu touch?
[13:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, silo51 on vivid? Or were you seeing those failures on wily?
[13:48] <kenvandine> wily only
[13:48] <jgdx> aah ok
[13:49] <kenvandine> jgdx, pete's indicator-network branch isn't linked to bug 1458046
[13:49] <kenvandine> he's not online, when you talk to him again can you ask him to tag that?
[13:50] <seb128> tedg, is the backend side for https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-system-settings/welcome-messages-setting/+merge/236608 landed/working?
[13:50] <tedg> seb128, I believe so, but I haven't tested recently.
[13:50] <seb128> tedg, easiest way to test is to enable the ui and use that I guess :-)
[13:50]  * seb128 does that
[13:52] <tedg> seb128, The last test case here tells how to generate a push message to test with: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/indicator-messages
[13:52] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[13:52] <peat-psuwit> Does system-image-cli currently pick up custom archive-master keyring?
[14:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure thang
[14:00] <seb128> tedg, ok, I doesn't work :-(
[14:00] <seb128> tedg, the indicator menu still list the messaging including title/content
[14:01] <seb128> tedg, do we have code in the indicator to respect that setting?
[14:02] <tedg> seb128, I'm pretty sure we did, I wonder if it's not using the greeter menu or something.
[14:02] <tedg> seb128, We export both menus, one on the greeter path and one on the desktop path.
[14:03] <tedg> seb128, I think that setting might have been no replies though.
[14:03] <seb128> no replies?
[14:04] <tedg> seb128, You can see the message in the greeter, but you can't reply to it without unlocking.
[14:05] <tedg> seb128, No, it should hide the body: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-messages/trunk.15.10/view/head:/src/im-phone-menu.c#L194
[14:07] <seb128> tedg, seems it doesn't work then :-/
[14:11]  * tathhu wonders why even a simple timer isn't integrated in to clock-app
[14:14] <tedg> seb128, A quick look through the code makes it look OK. If you want to debug, my guess would be that the greeter isn't using the greeter profile from the indicator. You can see if the greeter profile has the body in it.
[14:15] <seb128> tedg, do you have the command handy to dump the menus structures?
[14:16] <tedg> seb128, gdbus call --session --dest com.canonical.indicator.messages --object-path /com/canonical/indicator/messages/phone_greeter --method org.gtk.Menus.Start "[0,1,2]"
[14:16] <tedg> dbus-send is a little easier to read, but it doesn't tab complete :-)
[14:17] <seb128> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11892981/
[14:18] <seb128> so it seems the phone_greeter profile doesn't have the "hello"
[14:19] <seb128> so unity8 is not loading the right profile
[14:19] <tedg> Yeah, that'd be my guess. I thought that dednick fixed that a while back though.
[14:19] <tedg> Wonder if that branch never landed.
[14:22] <seb128> tedg, the settings branch points to https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-profiles/+merge/237155 which is marked as merged
[14:23] <seb128> tedg, though https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-profiles/+merge/237155/comments/616476
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, hey, what happened to ^? also is there an easy way to change the behaviour for testing?
[14:27] <mterry> seb128, can I help?
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, yes ;-)
[14:27] <seb128> see ^
[14:28] <mterry> seb128, right now unity8 never uses the 'greeter' profile
[14:28] <seb128> mterry, phone_greeter?
[14:29] <mterry> seb128, right.  At least, I don't think it does.  :)  Last I checked
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, right, on that mp/bug you wrote "I'm waiting on the design for System Settings before flipping the switch inside to start using it."
[14:29] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  Sorry, what's the question then ?  :)
[14:29] <seb128> mterry, well first
[14:30] <seb128> - did you ever hear back from design?
[14:30] <mterry> no
[14:30] <seb128> or I guess "do you know if it's still being tracked and where/by who"
[14:30] <seb128> I guess that's also a "dunno/nobody"
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1358340/comments/32 is the last word I have
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, I thought it would be tracked in that bug, but I see that ubuntu-ux task is fix released, and there's a lot of other junk there too, proably better for a new bug
[14:32] <seb128> right, what is the request about exactly? what do they need to review?
[14:32] <mterry> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1358340/comments/30 was the last proposal from olga
[14:32] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[14:33] <mterry> seb128, but needed more work/agreement in design
[14:33] <mterry> seb128, that bug in general has the history of this issue (plus some other junk)
[14:33] <seb128> k, need to read that
[14:33] <seb128> mterry, other question for you "can I hack some qml to active the feature"?
[14:33] <mterry> seb128, yeah...?  let me see
[14:34] <seb128> you didn't put an obvious #TODO: change to true to activate" in that code change :p
[14:34] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[14:34] <mterry> seb128, no I didn't  :)
[14:34] <mterry> seb128, the code is self-documenting!   :)  It's obvious where to toggle it
[14:34]  * mterry hunts for toggle, swearing under breath
[14:34] <seb128> lol
[14:35] <tedg> TODO: Add TODO for toggle
[14:35] <mterry> seb128, in qml/Shell.qml, search for 'profile' (around line 561)
[14:36] <mterry> seb128, I bet you can make that line:
[14:36] <mterry>                     profile: shell.usageScenario [14:36] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[14:36] <mterry> seb128, did not try that at all :)
[14:37] <peat-psuwit> Does system-image-cli currently pick up custom archive-master keyring?
[14:38] <jgdx> how do I disable windowed mode on wily? Just flashed and everything is windowed.. :s
[14:39] <seb128> mterry, that works, thanks
[14:39] <seb128> jgdx, don't connect a pointing device
[14:39] <mterry> seb128, nice!  glad it's not bit-rotten   :)
[14:39] <jgdx> seb128, that didn't disable it
[14:40] <seb128> mterry, thanks for the help, I'm done annoying you for today ;-)
[14:40]  * mterry settles back, opens beer
[14:40] <seb128> jgdx, unsure then, check with #ubuntu-unity
[14:40] <seb128> mterry, heh, it's beer'o'clock somewhere ... especially with that weather (at least in Europe, unsure how it is for you)
[14:42] <greyback> jgdx: "gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged" maybe
[14:43] <mterry> seb128, it's nice and warm here
[14:43] <jgdx> greyback, thanks, trying
[14:46] <jgdx> greyback, worked. I wonder what triggered the desktop mode
[14:47] <greyback> jgdx: I've no idea. Someting set that setting
[14:47] <jgdx> it was 'Automatic'
[14:52] <seb128> jgdx, automatic depends on the input connected, you don't have any bt device?
[14:52] <seb128> could be autopilot adding a device as well
[14:53] <jgdx> no to the former, and the second sounds plausible.
[14:53] <jgdx> keyboard something keyboard
[15:15] <TonyBoston> anyone using ownCloud with Contacts and Calendar sync?
[15:24] <peat-psuwit> Does system-image-cli currently pick up custom archive-master keyring?
[15:28] <BOHverkill> TonyBoston: not owncloud but baikal (which is the same)
[15:30] <TonyBoston> BOHverkill right, a colleague just said that
[15:31] <tathhu> Aand E5 froze again, any logs I should get? (if they even be there afte rreboot)
[15:31] <BOHverkill> TonyBoston: if your searching for a tutorial -> http://mitchellreese.id.au/owncloud-sync-on-ubuntu-touch/
[15:33] <TonyBoston> BOHverkill I'd better try out Baikal I guess since I do not really need file sync
[15:33] <TonyBoston> so CardDav and CalDav would be just fine
[15:34] <tathhu> Argh
[15:35] <BOHverkill> thelionroars: k :)
[15:35] <BOHverkill> so srry
[15:35] <BOHverkill> TonyBoston:
[15:51] <peat-psuwit> Does system-image-cli currently pick up custom archive-master keyring?
[15:53] <xmox> Hey Guys, I have a MeizuMX4, is there a Ubuntu-Touch Image for testing purposes? :)
[15:54] <brunch875> ever since this morning's update, telegram displays completely blank on the rc-proposed channel for BQ
[15:54] <brunch875> clearing cache doesn't work
[17:12] <peat-psuwit> Does system-image-cli currently pick up custom archive-master keyring?
[18:29] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: looking good now don't it? https://ubports-devices.herokuapp.com
[19:16] <peat-psuwit> Does system-image-cli currently pick up custom archive-master keyring?
[19:45] <Z3> Hi ! It's going to be possible to customize Ubuntu phone to look like Android so you have a "classic" desktop ?
[19:45] <Z3> In ubuntu desktop you can install gnome classic desktop if don't like Unity, but what about the phone?
[19:49] <OerHeks> android skin on ubuntu phone, blasfemie!
[19:49] <tathhu> Lxde on phone, yes"
[19:49] <tathhu> !
[19:49] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: got rid of the beer talk?
[19:49] <Z3> whatever, but a classic desktop please
[19:50] <Z3> some people like me doesn't like modern desktops like Unity
[19:50] <Z3> just a classic desktop
[19:50] <tathhu> On a 5 inch phone?
[19:50] <Z3> is what we want
[19:50] <Z3> tathhu just like Android do
[19:50] <Z3> the idea is very simple
[19:50] <Z3> and its already working
[19:52] <Z3> some people are not going to switch to the ubuntu phone just for that reason
[19:52] <tathhu> I woulnd't go with "classic desktop" after using Sailfish and Ubuntu :P
[19:52] <Z3> I use Ubuntu as my only operating system from years ago
[19:52] <tathhu> On a phone, desktop is different thing
[19:53] <Z3> I don't understand why a desktop like Android is not possible
[19:53] <tathhu> It is, on Android
[19:53] <tathhu> :3
[19:53] <Z3> and why not in Ubuntu?
[19:53] <Z3> just buttons and desktops, it's already invented
[19:54] <Z3> and a bar on top and/or bottom, like Android
[19:54] <tathhu> Press x to do something, argh
[19:54] <Z3> yea
[19:54] <Z3> that
[19:54] <Z3> I like press, not swipe
[19:54] <Z3> and lot of users too
[19:54] <tathhu> I hate my Nexus 7 after I've used 1+ years Sailfish and now Ubuntu
[19:54] <tathhu> Yeah
[19:55] <Z3> if we couldnt install a classic desktop in Ubuntu desktop, lot of users would have left ubuntu time ago
[19:55] <Z3> if we don't have a way in the phone ...
[19:56] <Z3> :-(
[19:56] <Isotop7> is there a channel for app developers?
[19:57] <ahoneybun> Isotop7: #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:57] <Z3> Isotop7 #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:57] <Isotop7> thanks :)
[19:57] <ahoneybun> np :)
[19:57] <Z3> :)
[20:22] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Working on it atm, I might need some help from rsalveti
[20:22] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I just thought your dropped the naming system
[20:23]  * ahoneybun sets up a VM for some Ubuntu Touch developing
[20:23] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: ?
[20:23] <ahoneybun> what?
[20:23] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: ah, yeah, the brewing naming system
[20:23] <ahoneybun> :)
[20:23] <mariogrip> :D
[20:23] <ahoneybun> i could think of another if you like
[20:25] <mariogrip> i did read you message correcly xP when you said rid my brain assumed rild lol xP
[20:26] <mariogrip> ssooo, what i answered on was "got rild working after the beer talk?"
[20:26] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:26] <mariogrip> xP
[20:26] <ahoneybun> too much rild talk
[20:26] <ahoneybun> need some real beer
[20:26] <mariogrip> yeah lol :P
[20:28] <mariogrip> so, rsalveti: Unable to open port id /dev/smdcntl0, error [19:No such device]
[20:28] <mariogrip> any ides?
[20:28] <mariogrip> ideas*
[21:01] <Guest23951> sera a tutti
[21:01] <Guest23951> ho un problema durante l'installazione, qualcuno può aiutarmi?
[21:55] <Dragonkeeper> new ubuntu desktop 15.10 enviroment sucks .. hope thats not what ubuntu phone is planning to have when they get hdmi working fully
[21:56] <ahoneybun> Dragonkeeper: are you talking about Unity 8?
[21:56] <Dragonkeeper> i dont know .. what ever the ubuntu-desktop-next   is
[21:56] <ahoneybun> the next Desktop is Unity 8 which is running on the Phone and Tablet
[21:57] <tathhu> And it's IMO alpha or something on desktop
[21:57] <tathhu> HAven't tried but I've watched videos :D
[21:58] <Dragonkeeper> yeah its great for phone  but on desktop or big screen with no touch support it sucks ///
[21:58] <tathhu> I think it should be like unity 7 when it's done but better :o
[21:58] <tathhu> Dunno
[21:58] <Dragonkeeper> didnt realise it was standard on the iso
[21:59] <tathhu> Is it :o
[21:59] <Dragonkeeper> it is on 15.10  dev iso
[21:59] <tathhu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ isn't this with 7?
[21:59] <tathhu> And desktop next with 8
[22:01] <Dragonkeeper> the iso i grabbed was called  wily-desktop-amd64.iso  from one of the main sites..  cant remember which i downloaded it on phone this morning intended for chromebook wipe
[22:01] <Dragonkeeper> had emmc problems regardless of ubuntu version tho so had to opt to do a gentoo build and see what i can do with this thing
[22:02] <Dragonkeeper> (would now be getting way off topic to continue the train of thought)
[22:11] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I just found out that my mako does not boot xP do you have an mako? so you can provide some logs to me :D
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I do have a mako mariogrip
[22:11] <mariogrip> awesome!
[22:12] <ahoneybun> it is
[22:12] <mariogrip>  logcat logs
[22:12] <ahoneybun> que?
[22:13] <mariogrip>  /system/bin/logcat
[22:13] <ahoneybun> ok a bin
[22:14] <mariogrip> I just gonna compare it with the oneplus since they both have qcom modems
[22:15] <ahoneybun> so /system/bin/logcat logs
[22:15] <ahoneybun> what do you need me to do? call with it?
[22:16] <mariogrip>  just do adb shell, then sudo /system/bin/logcat
[22:16] <mariogrip> and copy the output to pastebin or something
[22:16] <ahoneybun> phablet-shell works the same right?
[22:17] <mariogrip> yes
[22:17] <ahoneybun> that just keeps running
[22:17] <ahoneybun> never neds
[22:17] <ahoneybun> *ends
[22:18] <mariogrip> crtl + c
[22:18] <mariogrip> ctrl*
[22:20] <ahoneybun> working on it
[22:20] <ahoneybun> the laptop I use for dev is slow as heck
[22:20] <SturmFlut> awe_: Ping
[22:20] <awe_> SturmFlut, hey
[22:20] <ahoneybun> how do I get the file from the phone
[22:21] <ahoneybun> I put it in a txt file mariogrip
[22:21] <mariogrip> just copy paste the output
[22:21] <ahoneybun> soooo much though
[22:21] <mariogrip> and copy it to paste.ubuntu.com or something
[22:21] <SturmFlut> awe_: Regarding the last comment on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1449990 , National Data Roaming
[22:22] <mariogrip> or you can /system/bin/logcat > log.txt
[22:22] <awe_> SturmFlut, yes?
[22:22] <ahoneybun> I did that but it is on  phonethe
[22:23] <mariogrip> adb pull log.txt
[22:23] <SturmFlut> awe_: The operator could only fix this if he sends all users a new Dual-IMSI-Card, which to my knowledge not a single operator in Germany does. People who have called O2 because their device does not automatically handle National Data Roaming are apparently being told to just enable Data Roaming.
[22:23] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I hope this works: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11895251/
[22:24] <SturmFlut> awe_: So asking for a new SIM will not change anything, and this most likely also applies to other markets with National Roaming.
[22:24] <awe_> SturmFlut, I was under the impression that there such roaming arrangements an be dealt with via special SIM files
[22:24] <awe_> I don't think it needs to be a dual-ISMI card
[22:25] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Thanks,
[22:25] <ahoneybun> of course mariogrip :)
[22:25] <awe_> SturmFlut, I'll review with abeato next week, but I know we've dealt with other similar situations.  Maybe it's not possible ( or O2 doesn't want to do more work )
[22:26] <mariogrip> awe_: I found the issue with ofono having "radio not available", it was in the android hal, the mux (qmuxd) has some errors...   Unable to open port id /dev/smdcntl0, error [19:No such device]
[22:26] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: though I only see refer to the msm_sdcc which I think is the board
[22:26] <awe_> That said, if you haven't, please raise the issue with BQ; and as I mentioned I'll make sur this gets reviewed by the product team
[22:26] <awe_> mariogrip, ugh
[22:27] <SturmFlut> awe_: Both networks in the National Roaming zone still broadcast their original MCC and MNC, and a normal SIM card has only one IMSI, which contains the MCC and MNC of the "home" network. So AFAIK you can't be at home in both networks at the same time without a Dual-IMSI-card.
[22:27] <awe_> mariogrip, are you basing your port on 15.04 or 15.10?
[22:27] <awe_> SturmFlut, sure, but there are special files that can be used when carries have roaming arrangements
[22:28] <awe_> they basically say, treat any operators in this list the same as home
[22:28] <mariogrip> both, i have a system server that have both rc and devel so.
[22:28] <awe_> now again, maybe this isn't possible... but I'm pretty sure it is.  That said, if O2 doesn't want to program the cards, it's a moot point
[22:31] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I think I might need to put a SIM in and call then check the log
[22:31] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: maybe, reboot, because what i want is at boot
[22:32] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:32] <ahoneybun> so reboot, then run logcat?
[22:33] <mariogrip> yeah,
[22:33] <ahoneybun> ok give me a min
[22:35] <ahoneybun> I cracked the back of my mako today mariogrip :(
[22:35] <mariogrip> awww
[22:35] <SturmFlut> awe_: The roaming agreements are not stored on the card, they are fully handled by the base stations, and your device will never accept a base station that broadcasts a different MCC/MNC combination that the one encoded in the IMSI as a "home" network. Because this situation was not expected in the standards. O2 could solve it by either issuing Dual-ISMI cards to all customers, which is not practicable, or switch over all base
[22:35] <SturmFlut> stations to their own MCC/MNC, which would cut half of their customers off and also doesn't seem possible because the equipment is from different manufacturers. So they rely on Android and iOS doing the right thing, automatically enable National Roaming when the MCC is the same as the one of the home network, and all edge cases are resolved by manually enabling Data Roaming.
[22:36] <SturmFlut> awe_: Android kinda sets the "standard" for this, so they can be lazy...
[22:37] <mariogrip> I need more SSDs I have probably 200 gb just for different AOSP trees
[22:37] <SturmFlut> mariogrip: Haha
[22:38] <SturmFlut> The whole Roaming story is only getting much worse when the EU finally abolishes Roaming fees
[22:38] <SturmFlut> And because bq sells Dual-SIM phones
[22:38] <awe_> SturmFlut, listen I don't want to argue the point with you.  If you'd like to discuss in more depth when abeato is around next week, please do so
[22:39] <awe_> the best I can do right now is get this on our product release team's radar
[22:39] <awe_> but again, have you contacted BQ directly about this???
[22:41] <awe_> SturmFlut, fyi... this is what abeato was referring to: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11895335/
[22:41] <awe_> in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1449990/comments/6
[22:41] <awe_> again, feel free to comment in the bug, and let's discuss more in-depth next week
[22:42] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11895340/
[22:44] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Thanks, I got what i needed now
[22:44] <ahoneybun> cool
[22:46] <ahoneybun> I wish I knew what you did need lol
[22:46] <SturmFlut> awe_: Ack. I didn't want to argue, I just misinterpreted your role in this case. Sorry.
[22:46] <awe_> np
[22:47] <awe_> I can certainly influence this, but can't just start working in implementing national roaming without some consensus
[22:47] <mariogrip> awe_: linux_qmi_qmux_io.c: Unable to open port id /dev/smdcntl0, error [19:No such device] any ideas?
[22:47] <awe_> and again, I think we need to follow-up on abeato's comment before we do so as well
[22:48] <awe_> mariogrip, does the device exist?
[22:48] <mariogrip> yes
[22:48] <SturmFlut> awe_: I wasn't expecting you to :)
[22:48] <mariogrip> and it has the correct permissions
[22:49] <awe_> mariogrip, is that code part of rild on the phone?  Where are you seeing that error messages again?
[22:49] <mariogrip> logcat
[22:50] <awe_> radio log?
[22:50] <awe_> ( -b radio )
[22:50] <mariogrip> no
[22:50] <mariogrip> (qmuxd)
[22:50] <awe_> have you tried looking at the radio buffer?
[22:50] <awe_> as well
[22:50] <mariogrip> yes
[22:51] <awe_> it sounds like qmuxd isn't able to access the device from within the container
[22:51] <mariogrip> but, the rild cannot communicate with the radio without mux right?
[22:51] <awe_> that's device dependent
[22:51] <awe_> rild is really treated as a black box
[22:51] <awe_> ( which sucks, but is what it is )
[22:52] <mariogrip> tried to remove qmuxd from android and i got the same "radio_unavailable" message from the radio buffer
[22:52] <awe_> I haven't done any poking around in the container for a long time now...  but it sounds like somethings configured wrong on the android side
[22:52] <mariogrip> (in android)
[22:53] <awe_> well, if it's required by rild, removing it's probably not a good idea
[22:53] <awe_> )-
[22:53] <mariogrip> remove/disable just to test
[22:53] <mariogrip> also, in android (not in lxc)
[22:54] <mariogrip> does not mako use qmuxd?
[22:54] <awe_> right, have you take a look at the android init scripts in the container?
[22:54] <mariogrip> yes
[22:54] <awe_> mariogrip, it might... but again, that's really invisible to us
[22:55] <mariogrip> yeah
[22:55] <ahoneybun> damn the VM does not see the mako
[22:55] <awe_> it sounds to me like something's broken in your lxc container
[22:55] <awe_> unfortunately, I'm not the right person to help with that.  I'd see if you can get some cycles from ogra
[22:56] <mariogrip> i tried, but he had no idea
[22:57] <mariogrip> but, i does access the file, but it is something wrong with smdcntl0
[22:57] <awe_> I know there are tools in which you can run commands inside the container
[22:57] <awe_> but again, I haven't done this in a long time
[22:57] <mariogrip> like lxc-console -nandroid
[22:57] <mariogrip> and lxc-attach
[22:57] <awe_> yea...
[22:57] <mariogrip> I have used them alot
[22:57] <awe_> if qmuxd is running in the container, you need to debug why it can't open that device
[22:58]  * awe_ pokes at his mako
[23:01] <mariogrip> awe_:  yeah, Thanks!
[23:01] <mariogrip> I will see what i can find
[23:01] <tathhu> Cool, E5 froze again :/
[23:02] <mariogrip> awe_: btw, who is creating the devices?
[23:02] <mariogrip> example the smdcntl0
[23:02] <tathhu> So annoying
[23:03] <mariogrip> is it in the init? in ramdisk?
[23:03] <mariogrip> tathhu: what channel are you running?
[23:03] <awe_> mariogrip, not something I can answer off the top-of-my-head
[23:03] <mariogrip> awe_: ok
[23:03] <tathhu> mariogrip: whatever it's out of the box, stable?
[23:03] <mariogrip> Thanks, Anyway
[23:04] <mariogrip> tathhu: Ah, okay. OTA5 comes on monday, that might fix your issues :D
[23:05] <tathhu> might :-(
[23:06] <mariogrip> I run rc-proposed it has not froze yet.
[23:07] <mariogrip> on my E4.5
[23:07] <tathhu> Oh
[23:07] <tathhu> It just happens randomly, no spesific reason :/
[23:09] <mariogrip> humm, if you want, really you can try rc-proposed and maybe switch back when ota5 is out (or just stay)
[23:11] <ahoneybun> rc has all the things that OTA-5 will have
[23:12] <mariogrip> Jup
[23:13] <mariogrip> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[23:13] <mariogrip> tathhu: ^
[23:13] <awe_> mariogrip, qmuxd is started by init.mako.rc; I would check the init script for your device, and ensure that the qmuxd is started with the right user/group ( radio, radio )
[23:13] <tathhu> Do i still need to flash that recovery/whatever it was to support idf?
[23:13] <awe_> also have you checke the kernel log?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> I'm sorry rc-proposed
[23:14] <awe_> mariogrip, don't really have much else to offer...  if you want to catch me early next week, when ogra_ is around, we can try some continued brainstorming
[23:14] <awe_> but I need to drop now...  dinner ( and the weekend ) calls
[23:14] <mariogrip> awe_: Yeah, that sound good
[23:15] <mariogrip> tathhu: idf?
[23:16] <tathhu> *udf
[23:16] <tathhu> ubuntu-device-flash
[23:16]  * tathhu read something at tha internets
[23:16] <mariogrip> nope, i shoud include it since this is an ubuntu device
[23:17] <mariogrip> or it does include it, that's how it update, it uses the same method
[23:18] <mariogrip> but, you need to enable developer mode btw
[23:18] <mariogrip> settings -> about device -> developer mode
[23:19] <mariogrip> tathhu: ^
[23:21] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Awww, I'm daydreaming about the OnePlus Two running ubuntu and convergence <3
[23:21] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:21] <mariogrip> That would be sooooo coool!
[23:22] <mariogrip> And i can be like, now is a phone *puts in doc* and now it's a desktop :D
[23:22] <mariogrip> dock*
[23:23] <ahoneybun> yep
[23:24] <mariogrip> or the OnePlus one for that matter, it's pretty powerful that too
[23:24] <tathhu> mariogrip: thanks
[23:24] <tathhu> now it's doing.. something :D
[23:25] <mariogrip> :D downloading right?
[23:26] <tathhu> yes
[23:26] <tathhu> not dd'ing it :D
[23:26] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Why did you need an VM for connection to your phone?
[23:27] <mariogrip> btw https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/H346aB0R/Screenshot%20from%202015-06-07%2001%3A52%3A35.png
[23:27] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: development
[23:28] <mariogrip> ah, okay, but there is how you can connect it in a vm
[23:28] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: might be beause I have VB 5.0
[23:28] <ahoneybun> and I know how to do it
[23:29] <mariogrip> and, you need be in the correct group (try to start VB with sudo)
[23:29] <mariogrip> (usergroup)
[23:30] <ahoneybun> and then I have no VMs
[23:31] <tathhu> missing guest additions?
[23:31] <tathhu> if running on vbox
[23:31] <mariogrip> oh yeah, the it uses the root folder
[23:31] <ahoneybun> nope
[23:31] <mariogrip> sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers
[23:32] <mariogrip> sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers [user]
[23:32] <mariogrip> the log off and in
[23:33] <tathhu> 2015/07/18 02:32:50 Rebooting into recovery to flash
[23:33] <tathhu> BOOM
[23:33] <tathhu> :D
[23:33] <mariogrip> tathhu: awesome :D
[23:34] <tathhu> Uh, gummia whatever case sucks with e5, just wondering if that another one woulv'ce beena ny better..
[23:34] <mariogrip> tathhu: the next progress is gonna take a while, so don't force reboot it...
[23:35] <mariogrip> the scipt is gonna exit, and the phone is gonna keep working,
[23:35] <mariogrip> (script on the pc also)
[23:35] <tathhu> 2015/07/18 02:32:50 Rebooting into recovery to flash
[23:35] <tathhu> Failed to enter Recovery
[23:35] <mariogrip> did your device reboot?
[23:35] <tathhu> and still taht ubuntu-circle and progress animation is going on
[23:35] <tathhu> yes
[23:36] <mariogrip> yeah, then it's working.
[23:36] <mariogrip> just leave it for a little while, and it should reboot by it self
[23:37] <tathhu> yes
[23:37] <tathhu> done
[23:37] <mariogrip> that was fast
[23:37] <tathhu> that "powered by ubuntu" feels so amazing :D
[23:37] <mariogrip> well, 5mins i guess
[23:37] <mariogrip> yeah :D
[23:39] <mariogrip> are you running rc now?
[23:39] <tathhu> omg these new icons on notification bar
[23:39] <mariogrip> Yeah, they are awesome looking :D
[23:41] <ahoneybun> they are super cool
[23:41] <mariogrip> :D
[23:43] <tathhu> old "notification icon" was better :/
[23:44] <mariogrip> everyone have different taste
[23:49] <ahoneybun> I like the new one
[23:49] <mariogrip> me too
[23:50] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: any luck getting rild off your mind? lol
[23:52] <mariogrip> nope, rild is stuck to my mind i guess xP