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mapppshi guys03:14
mapppshey diddledan03:14
mapppsyou sen any of it03:14
mapppsgraceland then bed04:39
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Yellow Pig Day! 😃08:38
knightworkYo peeps08:42
popeyfoobarry: how?08:51
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:11
* knightwork waves at brobostigon 09:12
* brobostigon waves back at knightwork 09:12
* zmoylan-pi starts mexican wave with self.... holds fan to get breeze going...09:13
knightworkhmmm :) Weekend project : http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/turn-raspberry-pi-network-monitoring-tool/09:15
knightworkwife complained that our sonos cuts out from time to time .. going to monitor it09:17
davmor2JamesTait: what is today I only just got my server back so missed it :)09:48
TwistedLuciditydavmor2: Yesterday's demo went well. People really liked byobu.09:54
davmor2TwistedLucidity: \o/09:55
TwistedLucidityAlthough we did manage to break it09:55
davmor2TwistedLucidity: haha sounds about right file a bug :)09:55
TwistedLucidityWell, one person did. They managed to spawn multiple tmux sessions and got everything into a bit of a fankle.09:55
TwistedLucidityYeah, if I can reliably recreate it, I will.09:56
davmor2TwistedLucidity: if you have raid anywhere did you know it can monitor it on byobu too?09:56
davmor2TwistedLucidity: there is a huge array of things you can do on that bottom bar that most people don't know about :)09:56
TwistedLucidityOh, neat. Did not know that. All I was really doing was a run through of screen, tmux, byobu and dvtm+dtach09:57
davmor2TwistedLucidity: :)09:57
davmor2TwistedLucidity: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man1/byobu.1.html09:58
TwistedLuciditydavmor2: Why do I need man pages when I have you? :-P09:58
davmor2TwistedLucidity: because that gives all the plugins :)09:59
foobarrypopey: post #631 in a massive thread of course ;) http://www.modaco.com/topic/373642-how-to-root-your-hudl-2/?p=225898010:06
foobarrywindows only though. which sucks10:09
JamesTaitdavmor2, today is Yellow Pig Day. Something to do with mathemeticians and the number 17, apparently.10:11
brobostigonthats the handy thing about newer version of CM, you have a switch in dev options, and your can turn off/on app/adb rooting/unrooting at will.10:11
foobarrysupersu does that too10:12
popeyfoobarry: haha. that original useless thread10:12
brobostigonfoobarry: certainly.10:12
foobarryif i want to watch 4od i have to turn off root with supersu10:12
brobostigonyep.10:13
foobarrypopey: you mean it started off useless and actually had something useful?10:13
foobarrynot sure how it works. usually i lose data when i root10:13
foobarryor unlock bootlader10:14
davmor2JamesTait: Sound more like flying pig day10:14
foobarrynot sure i should be watching black hawk down while in bed with a sick bug10:17
popeyyes foobarry10:19
foobarryyeah, and the reason that most people are rooting? to disable the loud startup noise.10:23
popeyi might pick up a second one for hacking10:24
popeysam uses mine10:24
foobarrynow £9910:24
TwistedLucidityAny discount for clubpoints?10:24
foobarryyesh10:24
foobarryhalf price !10:24
foobarry£50 in clubcard vouchies10:25
TwistedLucidityAnd for that price, is there a better option? Maybe some no-name jobby?10:25
foobarrycan't go wrong10:25
foobarrythere are 7 inch ones10:25
foobarryand i saw a lenovo 10 inch on amazon sale t'other sale10:25
TwistedLucidityFor £50 I guess one can't go wrong.10:25
foobarryapart from the battery life, its great10:25
foobarryeven has microsd storage10:26
TwistedLucidityNeat. What is the battery life?10:26
foobarry4-5 hours. standy/screen off battery life is weak too though10:26
TwistedLucidityHrm....10:26
popeyhudl2 is way nicer than pretty much any noname10:26
foobarryit won't get an update either10:26
popeyi get way more than that10:27
foobarryand occasional intel chip bugs10:27
popeyi watched videos for 9 hrs10:29
foobarrywitchcraft10:30
diddledanok, so grub's apt package's postinst on my 15.04 box is hanging. (grub package version 2.02~beta2-22ubuntu1.1)10:31
diddledanspecifically grub-efi-amd6410:31
foobarryever tried this ipega 9023 controller? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Bluetooth-Controller-Joystick-Android/dp/B00PJRCANY10:31
foobarrynot sure there are enough good games to warrant it (native or emulated)10:33
ujjainaptly is so slow :(10:36
popeywifey is using hudl2 here now to do online shop ready for when we get home :)10:36
foobarryanyone used this greenify app for older tablets?10:39
awilkinsCan you root hudl2 yet?10:41
* awilkins reads up10:41
awilkinsIntriguing10:42
awilkinsIs it nicer than a Nexus 7 when you stick CM on it though10:42
foobarrytldr; yes, easily10:42
awilkins(2012 N7(10:42
foobarry8.3 inch screen makes a difference for me10:42
awilkinsGetting just a little frustrated by the 2012 N7's slow performance10:42
foobarrythey all seem to do this10:46
foobarryi wonder if its the storage getting old/slow/bad sectors mapped out10:46
awilkinsFriend punted it back to Android 4.410:47
awilkinsNot sure if that improved it10:47
ujjainhow do I get package info about an app not installed? I want to see fmor which repo it comes10:49
foobarryapt-cache policy <package>10:49
ujjainah perfect, thanks10:50
foobarrynp10:50
popeyi wound a n7 back to 4.4 and wasnt better10:51
popeyits the flash controller in n7 2012 which sucks Aiui10:52
awilkinsFeels like RAM being full, but I guess that would feel the same as an IO problem (Because I think of RAM being full because of swapping which is an IO problem)10:52
popeyi reflashed my n7 to 5.x10:53
popeybut only use iy for one thing at a time10:53
popey*it10:53
awilkinsThat's the solution I've adopted... switching between tasks is really slow still10:54
awilkinsEven if you close one and open another10:54
foobarryi hate the disposable nature of it all10:55
foobarryso much e-waste10:55
foobarryand nobody addresses it because people keep on buying10:55
popeywell. not really. we are technically still using them :)10:57
popeyi want to pick up a cheap arm chromebook for doing arm builds10:58
popeyebay have them for 40 quid10:58
bashrc_is cross compiling not good enough?10:58
popeynot always10:59
awilkinsWas going to suggest a Raspi2 but I guess 40 quid for something with a screen and a keyboard is pretty competitive10:59
popeyalso fast storage10:59
foobarrypopey: which model for 40 quid?11:01
popeyhp jobbie11:03
popeydont have link handy11:04
popeythey have no charger11:04
popeywas outbid on a couple last week11:05
foobarryi probably have enough gear11:05
foobarrygoogle is showing results from evernote now :-|11:06
popeyi currently build stuff on my laptop in chroots11:06
popeywould rather not build on that machine11:07
awilkinsHrrmph11:08
awilkinsNexus 7 problems : http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/18/googles-nexus-7-tablets-dying-early-possibly-due-to-cheap-memory11:08
popeynice11:08
awilkinsApparently kicks in when you fill the RAM up11:08
awilkinsAnd because the software doesn't use TRIM11:08
popeythe 2013 is a much nicer device in every way11:08
awilkinsNot sure if I've ever filled the RAM close to full11:08
awilkinsI have 14GB of free space right now but I do like to load videos onto ti11:09
foobarryawilkins: not just the nexus though11:09
foobarrymy hp touchpad and wifes samsung glaaxy tab 10.1 went the same way11:09
foobarryfactory reset does not resolve it11:09
awilkinsPossibly mucking about with manual erasure of userdata partition will fix it : https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=41061#c4011:11
awilkinsI may try this. But it's annoying because then I'll have to reconfigure everything :-(11:12
foobarryi dont think i can root wifey tab11:13
foobarry"Please note that this will not recover your phone from slowness, but helps keeping it fast when you leave it about one gigabytes free space"11:14
foobarrymight wanna explore greenify awilkins11:14
bashrc_if you can get a recent kernel onto it there is zram11:15
foobarryi have to run fast reboot on my moto g every day too11:15
foobarry5.0 killed it11:15
awilkinsMy N4 has loved 511:20
foobarry.0 or .111:24
awilkins.1.111:24
foobarryyeah11:27
foobarrymem leaks in .011:27
awilkinsNexus 6 is silly expensive11:29
awilkinsWhy can't they do another Nexus 4 priced phone...11:29
knightworkthe nexus 6 is not worth it11:30
awilkinsMy only frustration with the 4 now is that using Maps drains the battery faster than it will charge11:30
awilkinsAnd it overheats because they missed out that heat spreader11:31
awilkinsIf I had to replace my phone today I'd probably get a Moto G 2nd gen11:32
knightworkOneplus ,11:32
knightworkpretty happy with it11:32
knightworklow price , high quality11:32
awilkinsOne or Two?11:32
awilkinsHmm. I've seen reviews that suggest it has some infuriating issues11:33
knightworkone ,11:33
awilkinsBut £219 for a 64GB maxi-phone-o-tron is pretty good money11:34
knightworkits been working ok , just got jittery once or twice11:34
knightworki'm running the oneplus os (not cyanogen)11:34
knightworkthe oneplus android spin (ice os ? )11:34
awilkinsIsn't it just a forked CM anyway?11:34
awilkinsIs it 4.4?11:35
awilkinsSpecs page says "Cyanogen 11S based on Android 4.4"11:35
brobostigonand if memory serves, there is a cyanogen os, based on cm12.1, i think.11:36
knightworkhttps://oneplus.net/oxygenos11:36
awilkinsAh, yes, the marketing copy is more up to date than the specs11:36
knightworkOxygenOs is the version i'm running11:37
popeybeen using my n4 in the car here with offline gmaps for navigation11:51
diddledanok. with the hyper-v balloon driver on windows 10 TH1 (10240 some dub as RTM) ubuntu 15.04 gets kernel timeouts12:12
diddledanturning off dynamic memory will fix the issue12:12
diddledanspecifically highlighted when os-prober tried to modprobe the xfs module12:12
diddledanthis is on a hyper-v generation 2 vm (the efi version)12:14
foobarryi read quite a lot, never read kill a mockingbird. not sure why the hype over the follow up12:20
popeyit was required reading at wifeys school12:21
foobarryprobably in english lit gcse at ours too.12:21
foobarryi hated books i read at school12:21
foobarryeven day of triffids until i read it myself12:22
foobarryschool had a way of choosing really dull books for syllabus12:22
diddledanI only remember three in specifics. those being "of mice and men", "driving miss daisy" and the staple that is, was, and probably allways will be, "Romeo and Juliet"12:29
diddledan--l12:29
foobarrykes, old man and the sea, other dreary guff12:31
foobarrymidsummer nights bore12:31
mapppsYou're wondering who I am (secret secret I've got a secret)13:30
mapppsMachine or mannequin (secret secret I've got a secret)13:30
mapppsWith parts made in Japan (secret secret I've got a secret)13:30
mapppsI am the modren man13:30
bujjican any one tell me about logrotate?14:11
ballIs there any advantage to having an Ubuntu desktop PC and an Ubuntu Phone?14:38
ball(do they work well together?)14:38
bujjiimagine os in our hand?14:41
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ballbujji: I'm not sure what that means.14:42
knightwise²evenin16:02
zmoylan-piwhat's all this 'ere then16:04
ballNuffin officer.16:18
ballThese 'ere firewalls had 'oles in 'em when I got 'ere.16:18
zmoylan-pinow get 'ome to your mother before i clip your ear you ruffian16:20
ballMother's inside baggin' the storage array...16:20
zmoylan-pidibs on the ups16:21
ballIn desperation, I've just fired up the corporate computer-based training bilge.16:22
ballOh joy, this one's about SharePoint.16:23
zmoylan-piplease ensure you are using ie516:23
* ball grins16:24
zmoylan-pii think i know where i have that on 5.25" disks16:24
ballYou've just reminded me that the first time I installed Linux it came on a stack of 1200K 5.25" floppies.16:24
zmoylan-pii used recycled aol floppies16:26
daftykins:D16:37
ballAt least it didn't come on a DC600A16:48
ryan18456I'm having problems trying to install .tar.xz files16:50
ryan18456& it's the linux kernel16:50
ryan18456I'm not an Linux person I'm more of a Windows person16:50
ballryan18456: Are you trying to install a special kernel?16:51
daftykinsthis is the one that just got banned from #ubuntu for being obnoxious16:51
MartijnVdSryan18456: a .tar.xz is an archive file, compressed (like zip or rar files)16:51
balldaftykins: Thanks.16:51
daftykins*tips hat*16:52
ryan18456daftykins: shh & leave me alone, I'm trying to upgrade my linux Kernel here lol16:52
ryan18456ball: It's the latest up-to-date kernel from here: https://www.kernel.org/16:52
daftykinsi already told you not to speak to people like that.16:52
daftykinswhy do you want to?16:53
daftykinshave you been told by someone that upgrading will make everything better (TM) ?16:53
ryan18456MartijnVdS: OK, any suggestions for me to install it or no?16:53
MartijnVdSryan18456: you don't "install" those files, you extract them. But I agree with daftykins -- kernels aren't magic: what is the problem you're trying to solve?16:54
ryan18456MartijnVdS: Updating my kernel duh?16:54
daftykinsyou have to understand that newer kernels are not like keeping a smartphone or Windows PC 'patched', you're just going to complicate matters.16:54
daftykinsyep there's more of that rude attitude.16:54
ryan18456Anyways16:55
ryan18456Any idea's or not?16:55
MartijnVdSryan18456: lots of ideas, but no idea why you'd want to do what you're trying to do16:55
ryan18456MartijnVdS: OMFG install the kernel!16:56
MartijnVdSryan18456: that's that what. I'm asking for the why.16:56
daftykinsryan18456: you have to justify it to get help essentially, as once a newer kernel is on it's not ubuntu anymore - which means you can't really ask for help in here.16:56
* daftykins silences his teenager alarm16:56
MartijnVdSdaftykins: that or the helpdesk proxy...16:56
ryan18456MartijnVdS: because I want to, it's my PC lol16:56
MartijnVdSryan18456: you don't need to. Even though it's your PC16:57
daftykins:)16:57
ryan18456MartijnVdS: yes I do16:57
daftykinsyou're not going to get very far in life hiding your intentions :)16:57
ryan18456daftykins: and your German ;) no wonder you lost 2 world wars ;)16:58
zmoylan-piwho runs eu now? :-)16:58
zmoylan-pimasterblaster^Wmerkel16:58
daftykinsryan18456: being connected to the kornbluth server hosted in Germany does not make me a German person - but i'd suggest you stop trying to be bias about where people come from16:58
* ball waits patiently for ryan18456 to get himself kicked.16:59
ryan18456daftykins: Yawn! :D16:59
daftykinsyes my sentiments exactly.16:59
ryan18456None of you are goingto him16:59
daftykinsryan18456: your childish attitude is why you will not get any effective help in these channels, wise up in future or you'll never get anywhere.16:59
ryan18456daftykins: Shut up you nob and go play with your kid toys and Rubbish and worst techincal support I've ever had in mylife17:00
ballThat ought to do it.17:00
awilkins"Shut up you nob" quite British17:08
awilkinsBSKYB customer17:08
awilkinsShame you can't get the region from their DNS names like you can with Virgin17:13
zmoylan-picould hazard a guess at their age mind...17:14
bujjihello17:33
KrimZonhi17:33
bujjican any one tell me logrotate17:33
KrimZonwhat about logrotate?17:34
bujjithat is i am asking17:34
KrimZonsuppose you have /var/log/apache2/error.log17:36
bujjiokey17:36
bujjii assume that catalina.out )17:37
KrimZonlogrotate can be configured so that you end up with todays errors in error.log, yesterdays logs in error.log.1, the day before in error.log.217:37
KrimZonplus various other things like backing up old logs or just deleting them17:37
KrimZonso that the drive doesn't fill up with logs17:37
bujjihow i can use that with your example like..17:38
bujjierror.log17:38
bujjierror.log.1 in place error.log.$(date)17:39
bujjiKrimZon:o/17:42
KrimZoni'm not sure17:43
daftykinsbujji: read up :)17:44
KrimZongoogle logrotate with date in filename17:44
bujjidaftykins:iwant to create script for this ..17:44
daftykinsbujji: and?17:45
daftykinswhy highlight me with that17:45
bujjii gave just reply dafty17:46
daftykinsk17:47
bujjihttp://linuxers.org/howto/howto-use-logrotate-manage-log-files i found this dafty17:48
daftykinsok, but it's you learning it, not me?17:49
bujjiookey,17:50
bujjiwhere the file will be created ?17:52
KrimZonusually in the same directory as the original file17:54
bujjiinside loggrotate.d i need to create file?17:59
bujjiKrimZon:hey18:07
bujjidaftykins:o/ :)18:07
KrimZoni don't know off the top of my head18:08
daftykinsbujji: no18:08
bujjiwhats up how is the weekend dafty18:09
bujjidaftykins:watch bahubali  movie:)18:11
bujjican you give me more info on "bios" dafty...18:13
daftykinsno18:13
diddledanevning18:18
diddledanevening**18:18
daftykinshello sir18:19
daftykinswhat's new?18:19
diddledannew is when something is very recent :-p18:19
diddledannot much going on here (serious reply)18:20
zmoylan-pitis a friday, enjoy it18:20
diddledanoh the ironies: http://i.imgur.com/cRXu0dO.gif18:21
zmoylan-pithe weekend stretching ahead of you18:21
bujjihello again18:21
m0nkey_diddledan, got my ubiquiti edgerouter :)18:22
bujjiwatch bahubali movie18:23
diddledanhttp://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/07/doomception-how-modders-got-doom-to-run-inside-of-doom/18:25
diddledanm0nkey_: coolbeans! \o/18:25
ali1234diddledan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design18:26
diddledanali1234: using a different url isn't being responsive18:26
ali1234using a different URL that isn't responsive isn't not responsive18:27
ali1234the mobile site is responsive, you can completely ignore the main site if you want18:27
knightwisehey peeps18:29
diddledanalo18:29
diddledanallo knightwise **18:29
knightwiseanyone played with nagios before ? Trying to get it to send me an email when something goes down18:29
daftykinsdiddledan: so, yet another new build and no more watermark eh?18:29
knightwisebeen playing with NagiosPi, looks pretty swell18:29
diddledandaftykins: yeah18:30
diddledanknightwise: the configuration has a lot of boilerplate you need to do and for some reason they insist on it being in many many config files18:30
knightwiseits a pretty pre-configured environment (completely pre-cooked image file) so there just may be an error with the mail server or something , not sure18:32
m0nkey_hey diddledan, these edgerouter poe's are only supposed to come with a 24V adapter for powering 24V devices off the POE ports.. mine came with a 48V :D18:33
diddledanhmm, sourceforge is offline18:36
knightwiseyep , noticed that they are in static mode18:36
diddledanit's nice how their site status page leads to a message that the site status page (and the rest of the site) are offline18:38
daftykins:D18:39
daftykinslet that be a lesson to you, your status pages need status pages!18:39
diddledantheir latest twatting reports "#SourceForge site is read-only, developer services disabled due to storage infra fault. Service restoral work in-progress, ETA to follow" - that account has a nice message in it's description that states "For support, see ticket/IRC/email information on http://sourceforge.net/support/" the support url is also offline when they're in static mode18:43
diddledanthat twit was 17 hours ago btw18:44
knightwiseok , switching Nagios over to Sendemail18:45
foobarrynagios is the lynchpin of an IT infrastructure knightwise19:42
foobarryadagios is based on it, lets you do a bit more19:42
ballIt's +33C out.20:48
ball(hotter than that if you believe my car's thermometer)20:48
daftykinserk :S20:48
ballActually nice to get back to the office. At least they have air conditioning turned on.20:49
daftykins:D20:49
ballThe A/C in my car hasn't worked since the autumn.20:50
ballI should probably get that fixed. For now I drive with my window down and hang out of the window like a dog.20:51
brobostigon:(20:51
ball...with my tongue flapping in the breeze20:51
ballErm... suddenly it's raining.20:55
ballPerhaps that'll cool things down a bit.20:55
* brobostigon drools, yes please, cool weather.20:56
daftykinsconfirmed ball: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUSXqjwbaUH8R68sDb6ymZ3tmWr6R3IUM0HkT-KQ4oPhbNuJIx20:57
daftykins:D20:57
daftykinswow 33MB file copy to a flash drive taking multiple minutes20:59
diddledanI've been copying off an external drive since yesterday21:00
diddledan(several TeeBees)21:00
daftykins;_;21:01
ballI backed up some files from my work laptop today. I'm told they'll be replacing the hard disk within the next fortnight.21:06
daftykinsit's a corsair GT flash drive too, hmm i'll nuked it in a tick and see what's up21:06
ball(and supposedly upgrading the RAM)21:06
daftykinsball: something up with it?21:07
diddledandaftykins: maybe it's dead :-p21:07
diddledandaftykins: you do seem to attract dead disk21:07
diddledandisks*21:07
balldaftykins: It's fine but my colleague badgered them to upgrade his so they're upgrading mine too.21:08
ball...so they're upgrading it and fitting an SSD.21:08
daftykinsnice :D21:08
daftykinswill it be your first?21:08
ballYes.21:08
diddledanvirgin!21:08
daftykinsyou won't know yourself! :)21:08
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daftykinsa wild shauno!21:09
daftykinshi sir21:09
ballIt's my work laptop. I suppose it means the laptop will boot quickly. Sadly the equipment I work on takes about five minutes to boot and we're not putting SSDs in those.21:09
shaunogreetings humans21:09
ball...and about 45 minutes to upgrade the firmware.21:09
diddledanI need to pull the disk out of my other pc - it's either dead or the mobo is21:09
ballI'll probably pull the hard disk out of my wife's desktop PC tonight.21:10
ball...and see whether her Mac can read the disk.21:10
daftykinsNTFS? macs read but don't write at all, iirc21:11
ballThat's fine. Read-only would be my preferred choice anyway.21:11
daftykinsso she went to the dark side, eh?21:13
ballShe was using Ubuntu for about a month. Her exact words were "I don't know what this is but I hate it".21:14
ballInterestingly she didn't complain last time I had her running Xubuntu for a while.21:14
popeybah21:16
popeyflying home tomorrow :(21:16
ballInterestingly I didn't mind it.21:16
ballpopey: Where are you now?21:17
popeyportugal21:17
ballAh, my sister has been there.21:17
popeyits lovely21:17
daftykinsi still have my guest from the US21:17
balldaftykins: Where is he or she from?21:18
daftykinsshe's from Houston, Texas :)21:18
daftykinsso quite the change to come to a wee island21:18
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* ball nods21:44
ballI can relate to the shock.21:44
ballIt took some getting used to when I moved to the U.S.21:48
daftykins:)21:52
diddledanI wrote a go-lang program to provide a uniform mechanism for uploading to an sftp-only server we have to use for one of our clients. It does sftp and works on windows, mac and linux without any changes to the code.22:59
diddledanI got moaned-at for originally having it on github :-(23:00
diddledanspecifically because it had a hardcoded ip and port number23:00
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