[03:14] <mappps> hi guys
[03:14] <mappps> hey diddledan
[03:14] <mappps> you sen any of it
[04:39] <mappps> graceland then bed
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Yellow Pig Day! 😃
[08:42] <knightwork> Yo peeps
[08:51] <popey> foobarry: how?
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:12]  * knightwork waves at brobostigon 
[09:12]  * brobostigon waves back at knightwork 
[09:13]  * zmoylan-pi starts mexican wave with self.... holds fan to get breeze going...
[09:15] <knightwork> hmmm :) Weekend project : http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/turn-raspberry-pi-network-monitoring-tool/
[09:17] <knightwork> wife complained that our sonos cuts out from time to time .. going to monitor it
[09:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: what is today I only just got my server back so missed it :)
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Yesterday's demo went well. People really liked byobu.
[09:55] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: \o/
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> Although we did manage to break it
[09:55] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: haha sounds about right file a bug :)
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> Well, one person did. They managed to spawn multiple tmux sessions and got everything into a bit of a fankle.
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, if I can reliably recreate it, I will.
[09:56] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: if you have raid anywhere did you know it can monitor it on byobu too?
[09:56] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: there is a huge array of things you can do on that bottom bar that most people don't know about :)
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, neat. Did not know that. All I was really doing was a run through of screen, tmux, byobu and dvtm+dtach
[09:57] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: :)
[09:58] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man1/byobu.1.html
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Why do I need man pages when I have you? :-P
[09:59] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: because that gives all the plugins :)
[10:06] <foobarry> popey: post #631 in a massive thread of course ;) http://www.modaco.com/topic/373642-how-to-root-your-hudl-2/?p=2258980
[10:09] <foobarry> windows only though. which sucks
[10:11] <JamesTait> davmor2, today is Yellow Pig Day. Something to do with mathemeticians and the number 17, apparently.
[10:11] <brobostigon> thats the handy thing about newer version of CM, you have a switch in dev options, and your can turn off/on app/adb rooting/unrooting at will.
[10:12] <foobarry> supersu does that too
[10:12] <popey> foobarry: haha. that original useless thread
[10:12] <brobostigon> foobarry: certainly.
[10:12] <foobarry> if i want to watch 4od i have to turn off root with supersu
[10:13] <brobostigon> yep.
[10:13] <foobarry> popey: you mean it started off useless and actually had something useful?
[10:13] <foobarry> not sure how it works. usually i lose data when i root
[10:14] <foobarry> or unlock bootlader
[10:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: Sound more like flying pig day
[10:17] <foobarry> not sure i should be watching black hawk down while in bed with a sick bug
[10:19] <popey> yes foobarry
[10:23] <foobarry> yeah, and the reason that most people are rooting? to disable the loud startup noise.
[10:24] <popey> i might pick up a second one for hacking
[10:24] <popey> sam uses mine
[10:24] <foobarry> now £99
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> Any discount for clubpoints?
[10:24] <foobarry> yesh
[10:24] <foobarry> half price !
[10:25] <foobarry> £50 in clubcard vouchies
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> And for that price, is there a better option? Maybe some no-name jobby?
[10:25] <foobarry> can't go wrong
[10:25] <foobarry> there are 7 inch ones
[10:25] <foobarry> and i saw a lenovo 10 inch on amazon sale t'other sale
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> For £50 I guess one can't go wrong.
[10:25] <foobarry> apart from the battery life, its great
[10:26] <foobarry> even has microsd storage
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> Neat. What is the battery life?
[10:26] <foobarry> 4-5 hours. standy/screen off battery life is weak too though
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> Hrm....
[10:26] <popey> hudl2 is way nicer than pretty much any noname
[10:26] <foobarry> it won't get an update either
[10:27] <popey> i get way more than that
[10:27] <foobarry> and occasional intel chip bugs
[10:29] <popey> i watched videos for 9 hrs
[10:30] <foobarry> witchcraft
[10:31] <diddledan> ok, so grub's apt package's postinst on my 15.04 box is hanging. (grub package version 2.02~beta2-22ubuntu1.1)
[10:31] <diddledan> specifically grub-efi-amd64
[10:31] <foobarry> ever tried this ipega 9023 controller? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Bluetooth-Controller-Joystick-Android/dp/B00PJRCANY
[10:33] <foobarry> not sure there are enough good games to warrant it (native or emulated)
[10:36] <ujjain> aptly is so slow :(
[10:36] <popey> wifey is using hudl2 here now to do online shop ready for when we get home :)
[10:39] <foobarry> anyone used this greenify app for older tablets?
[10:41] <awilkins> Can you root hudl2 yet?
[10:41]  * awilkins reads up
[10:42] <awilkins> Intriguing
[10:42] <awilkins> Is it nicer than a Nexus 7 when you stick CM on it though
[10:42] <foobarry> tldr; yes, easily
[10:42] <awilkins> (2012 N7(
[10:42] <foobarry> 8.3 inch screen makes a difference for me
[10:42] <awilkins> Getting just a little frustrated by the 2012 N7's slow performance
[10:46] <foobarry> they all seem to do this
[10:46] <foobarry> i wonder if its the storage getting old/slow/bad sectors mapped out
[10:47] <awilkins> Friend punted it back to Android 4.4
[10:47] <awilkins> Not sure if that improved it
[10:49] <ujjain> how do I get package info about an app not installed? I want to see fmor which repo it comes
[10:49] <foobarry> apt-cache policy <package>
[10:50] <ujjain> ah perfect, thanks
[10:50] <foobarry> np
[10:51] <popey> i wound a n7 back to 4.4 and wasnt better
[10:52] <popey> its the flash controller in n7 2012 which sucks Aiui
[10:52] <awilkins> Feels like RAM being full, but I guess that would feel the same as an IO problem (Because I think of RAM being full because of swapping which is an IO problem)
[10:53] <popey> i reflashed my n7 to 5.x
[10:53] <popey> but only use iy for one thing at a time
[10:53] <popey> *it
[10:54] <awilkins> That's the solution I've adopted... switching between tasks is really slow still
[10:54] <awilkins> Even if you close one and open another
[10:55] <foobarry> i hate the disposable nature of it all
[10:55] <foobarry> so much e-waste
[10:55] <foobarry> and nobody addresses it because people keep on buying
[10:57] <popey> well. not really. we are technically still using them :)
[10:58] <popey> i want to pick up a cheap arm chromebook for doing arm builds
[10:58] <popey> ebay have them for 40 quid
[10:58] <bashrc_> is cross compiling not good enough?
[10:59] <popey> not always
[10:59] <awilkins> Was going to suggest a Raspi2 but I guess 40 quid for something with a screen and a keyboard is pretty competitive
[10:59] <popey> also fast storage
[11:01] <foobarry> popey: which model for 40 quid?
[11:03] <popey> hp jobbie
[11:04] <popey> dont have link handy
[11:04] <popey> they have no charger
[11:05] <popey> was outbid on a couple last week
[11:05] <foobarry> i probably have enough gear
[11:06] <foobarry> google is showing results from evernote now :-|
[11:06] <popey> i currently build stuff on my laptop in chroots
[11:07] <popey> would rather not build on that machine
[11:08] <awilkins> Hrrmph
[11:08] <awilkins> Nexus 7 problems : http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/18/googles-nexus-7-tablets-dying-early-possibly-due-to-cheap-memory
[11:08] <popey> nice
[11:08] <awilkins> Apparently kicks in when you fill the RAM up
[11:08] <awilkins> And because the software doesn't use TRIM
[11:08] <popey> the 2013 is a much nicer device in every way
[11:08] <awilkins> Not sure if I've ever filled the RAM close to full
[11:09] <awilkins> I have 14GB of free space right now but I do like to load videos onto ti
[11:09] <foobarry> awilkins: not just the nexus though
[11:09] <foobarry> my hp touchpad and wifes samsung glaaxy tab 10.1 went the same way
[11:09] <foobarry> factory reset does not resolve it
[11:11] <awilkins> Possibly mucking about with manual erasure of userdata partition will fix it : https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=41061#c40
[11:12] <awilkins> I may try this. But it's annoying because then I'll have to reconfigure everything :-(
[11:13] <foobarry> i dont think i can root wifey tab
[11:14] <foobarry> "Please note that this will not recover your phone from slowness, but helps keeping it fast when you leave it about one gigabytes free space"
[11:14] <foobarry> might wanna explore greenify awilkins
[11:15] <bashrc_> if you can get a recent kernel onto it there is zram
[11:15] <foobarry> i have to run fast reboot on my moto g every day too
[11:15] <foobarry> 5.0 killed it
[11:20] <awilkins> My N4 has loved 5
[11:24] <foobarry> .0 or .1
[11:24] <awilkins> .1.1
[11:27] <foobarry> yeah
[11:27] <foobarry> mem leaks in .0
[11:29] <awilkins> Nexus 6 is silly expensive
[11:29] <awilkins> Why can't they do another Nexus 4 priced phone...
[11:30] <knightwork> the nexus 6 is not worth it
[11:30] <awilkins> My only frustration with the 4 now is that using Maps drains the battery faster than it will charge
[11:31] <awilkins> And it overheats because they missed out that heat spreader
[11:32] <awilkins> If I had to replace my phone today I'd probably get a Moto G 2nd gen
[11:32] <knightwork> Oneplus ,
[11:32] <knightwork> pretty happy with it
[11:32] <knightwork> low price , high quality
[11:32] <awilkins> One or Two?
[11:33] <awilkins> Hmm. I've seen reviews that suggest it has some infuriating issues
[11:33] <knightwork> one ,
[11:34] <awilkins> But £219 for a 64GB maxi-phone-o-tron is pretty good money
[11:34] <knightwork> its been working ok , just got jittery once or twice
[11:34] <knightwork> i'm running the oneplus os (not cyanogen)
[11:34] <knightwork> the oneplus android spin (ice os ? )
[11:34] <awilkins> Isn't it just a forked CM anyway?
[11:35] <awilkins> Is it 4.4?
[11:35] <awilkins> Specs page says "Cyanogen 11S based on Android 4.4"
[11:36] <brobostigon> and if memory serves, there is a cyanogen os, based on cm12.1, i think.
[11:36] <knightwork> https://oneplus.net/oxygenos
[11:36] <awilkins> Ah, yes, the marketing copy is more up to date than the specs
[11:37] <knightwork> OxygenOs is the version i'm running
[11:51] <popey> been using my n4 in the car here with offline gmaps for navigation
[12:12] <diddledan> ok. with the hyper-v balloon driver on windows 10 TH1 (10240 some dub as RTM) ubuntu 15.04 gets kernel timeouts
[12:12] <diddledan> turning off dynamic memory will fix the issue
[12:12] <diddledan> specifically highlighted when os-prober tried to modprobe the xfs module
[12:14] <diddledan> this is on a hyper-v generation 2 vm (the efi version)
[12:20] <foobarry> i read quite a lot, never read kill a mockingbird. not sure why the hype over the follow up
[12:21] <popey> it was required reading at wifeys school
[12:21] <foobarry> probably in english lit gcse at ours too.
[12:21] <foobarry> i hated books i read at school
[12:22] <foobarry> even day of triffids until i read it myself
[12:22] <foobarry> school had a way of choosing really dull books for syllabus
[12:29] <diddledan> I only remember three in specifics. those being "of mice and men", "driving miss daisy" and the staple that is, was, and probably allways will be, "Romeo and Juliet"
[12:29] <diddledan> --l
[12:31] <foobarry> kes, old man and the sea, other dreary guff
[12:31] <foobarry> midsummer nights bore
[13:30] <mappps> You're wondering who I am (secret secret I've got a secret)
[13:30] <mappps> Machine or mannequin (secret secret I've got a secret)
[13:30] <mappps> With parts made in Japan (secret secret I've got a secret)
[13:30] <mappps> I am the modren man
[14:11] <bujji> can any one tell me about logrotate?
[14:38] <ball> Is there any advantage to having an Ubuntu desktop PC and an Ubuntu Phone?
[14:38] <ball> (do they work well together?)
[14:41] <bujji> imagine os in our hand?
[14:42] <ball> bujji: I'm not sure what that means.
[16:02] <knightwise> ²evenin
[16:04] <zmoylan-pi> what's all this 'ere then
[16:18] <ball> Nuffin officer.
[16:18] <ball> These 'ere firewalls had 'oles in 'em when I got 'ere.
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> now get 'ome to your mother before i clip your ear you ruffian
[16:20] <ball> Mother's inside baggin' the storage array...
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> dibs on the ups
[16:22] <ball> In desperation, I've just fired up the corporate computer-based training bilge.
[16:23] <ball> Oh joy, this one's about SharePoint.
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> please ensure you are using ie5
[16:24]  * ball grins
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> i think i know where i have that on 5.25" disks
[16:24] <ball> You've just reminded me that the first time I installed Linux it came on a stack of 1200K 5.25" floppies.
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> i used recycled aol floppies
[16:37] <daftykins> :D
[16:48] <ball> At least it didn't come on a DC600A
[16:50] <ryan18456> I'm having problems trying to install .tar.xz files
[16:50] <ryan18456> & it's the linux kernel
[16:50] <ryan18456> I'm not an Linux person I'm more of a Windows person
[16:51] <ball> ryan18456: Are you trying to install a special kernel?
[16:51] <daftykins> this is the one that just got banned from #ubuntu for being obnoxious
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> ryan18456: a .tar.xz is an archive file, compressed (like zip or rar files)
[16:51] <ball> daftykins: Thanks.
[16:52] <daftykins> *tips hat*
[16:52] <ryan18456> daftykins: shh & leave me alone, I'm trying to upgrade my linux Kernel here lol
[16:52] <ryan18456> ball: It's the latest up-to-date kernel from here: https://www.kernel.org/
[16:52] <daftykins> i already told you not to speak to people like that.
[16:53] <daftykins> why do you want to?
[16:53] <daftykins> have you been told by someone that upgrading will make everything better (TM) ?
[16:53] <ryan18456> MartijnVdS: OK, any suggestions for me to install it or no?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> ryan18456: you don't "install" those files, you extract them. But I agree with daftykins -- kernels aren't magic: what is the problem you're trying to solve?
[16:54] <ryan18456> MartijnVdS: Updating my kernel duh?
[16:54] <daftykins> you have to understand that newer kernels are not like keeping a smartphone or Windows PC 'patched', you're just going to complicate matters.
[16:54] <daftykins> yep there's more of that rude attitude.
[16:55] <ryan18456> Anyways
[16:55] <ryan18456> Any idea's or not?
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> ryan18456: lots of ideas, but no idea why you'd want to do what you're trying to do
[16:56] <ryan18456> MartijnVdS: OMFG install the kernel!
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> ryan18456: that's that what. I'm asking for the why.
[16:56] <daftykins> ryan18456: you have to justify it to get help essentially, as once a newer kernel is on it's not ubuntu anymore - which means you can't really ask for help in here.
[16:56]  * daftykins silences his teenager alarm
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that or the helpdesk proxy...
[16:56] <ryan18456> MartijnVdS: because I want to, it's my PC lol
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> ryan18456: you don't need to. Even though it's your PC
[16:57] <daftykins> :)
[16:57] <ryan18456> MartijnVdS: yes I do
[16:57] <daftykins> you're not going to get very far in life hiding your intentions :)
[16:58] <ryan18456> daftykins: and your German ;) no wonder you lost 2 world wars ;)
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> who runs eu now? :-)
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> masterblaster^Wmerkel
[16:58] <daftykins> ryan18456: being connected to the kornbluth server hosted in Germany does not make me a German person - but i'd suggest you stop trying to be bias about where people come from
[16:59]  * ball waits patiently for ryan18456 to get himself kicked.
[16:59] <ryan18456> daftykins: Yawn! :D
[16:59] <daftykins> yes my sentiments exactly.
[16:59] <ryan18456> None of you are goingto him
[16:59] <daftykins> ryan18456: your childish attitude is why you will not get any effective help in these channels, wise up in future or you'll never get anywhere.
[17:00] <ryan18456> daftykins: Shut up you nob and go play with your kid toys and Rubbish and worst techincal support I've ever had in mylife
[17:00] <ball> That ought to do it.
[17:08] <awilkins> "Shut up you nob" quite British
[17:08] <awilkins> BSKYB customer
[17:13] <awilkins> Shame you can't get the region from their DNS names like you can with Virgin
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> could hazard a guess at their age mind...
[17:33] <bujji> hello
[17:33] <KrimZon> hi
[17:33] <bujji> can any one tell me logrotate
[17:34] <KrimZon> what about logrotate?
[17:34] <bujji> that is i am asking
[17:36] <KrimZon> suppose you have /var/log/apache2/error.log
[17:36] <bujji> okey
[17:37] <bujji> i assume that catalina.out )
[17:37] <KrimZon> logrotate can be configured so that you end up with todays errors in error.log, yesterdays logs in error.log.1, the day before in error.log.2
[17:37] <KrimZon> plus various other things like backing up old logs or just deleting them
[17:37] <KrimZon> so that the drive doesn't fill up with logs
[17:38] <bujji> how i can use that with your example like..
[17:38] <bujji> error.log
[17:39] <bujji> error.log.1 in place error.log.$(date)
[17:42] <bujji> KrimZon:o/
[17:43] <KrimZon> i'm not sure
[17:44] <daftykins> bujji: read up :)
[17:44] <KrimZon> google logrotate with date in filename
[17:44] <bujji> daftykins:iwant to create script for this ..
[17:45] <daftykins> bujji: and?
[17:45] <daftykins> why highlight me with that
[17:46] <bujji> i gave just reply dafty
[17:47] <daftykins> k
[17:48] <bujji> http://linuxers.org/howto/howto-use-logrotate-manage-log-files i found this dafty
[17:49] <daftykins> ok, but it's you learning it, not me?
[17:50] <bujji> ookey,
[17:52] <bujji> where the file will be created ?
[17:54] <KrimZon> usually in the same directory as the original file
[17:59] <bujji> inside loggrotate.d i need to create file?
[18:07] <bujji> KrimZon:hey
[18:07] <bujji> daftykins:o/ :)
[18:08] <KrimZon> i don't know off the top of my head
[18:08] <daftykins> bujji: no
[18:09] <bujji> whats up how is the weekend dafty
[18:11] <bujji> daftykins:watch bahubali  movie:)
[18:13] <bujji> can you give me more info on "bios" dafty...
[18:13] <daftykins> no
[18:18] <diddledan> evning
[18:18] <diddledan> evening**
[18:19] <daftykins> hello sir
[18:19] <daftykins> what's new?
[18:19] <diddledan> new is when something is very recent :-p
[18:20] <diddledan> not much going on here (serious reply)
[18:20] <zmoylan-pi> tis a friday, enjoy it
[18:21] <diddledan> oh the ironies: http://i.imgur.com/cRXu0dO.gif
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> the weekend stretching ahead of you
[18:21] <bujji> hello again
[18:22] <m0nkey_> diddledan, got my ubiquiti edgerouter :)
[18:23] <bujji> watch bahubali movie
[18:25] <diddledan> http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/07/doomception-how-modders-got-doom-to-run-inside-of-doom/
[18:25] <diddledan> m0nkey_: coolbeans! \o/
[18:26] <ali1234> diddledan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design
[18:26] <diddledan> ali1234: using a different url isn't being responsive
[18:27] <ali1234> using a different URL that isn't responsive isn't not responsive
[18:27] <ali1234> the mobile site is responsive, you can completely ignore the main site if you want
[18:29] <knightwise> hey peeps
[18:29] <diddledan> alo
[18:29] <diddledan> allo knightwise **
[18:29] <knightwise> anyone played with nagios before ? Trying to get it to send me an email when something goes down
[18:29] <daftykins> diddledan: so, yet another new build and no more watermark eh?
[18:29] <knightwise> been playing with NagiosPi, looks pretty swell
[18:30] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah
[18:30] <diddledan> knightwise: the configuration has a lot of boilerplate you need to do and for some reason they insist on it being in many many config files
[18:32] <knightwise> its a pretty pre-configured environment (completely pre-cooked image file) so there just may be an error with the mail server or something , not sure
[18:33] <m0nkey_> hey diddledan, these edgerouter poe's are only supposed to come with a 24V adapter for powering 24V devices off the POE ports.. mine came with a 48V :D
[18:36] <diddledan> hmm, sourceforge is offline
[18:36] <knightwise> yep , noticed that they are in static mode
[18:38] <diddledan> it's nice how their site status page leads to a message that the site status page (and the rest of the site) are offline
[18:39] <daftykins> :D
[18:39] <daftykins> let that be a lesson to you, your status pages need status pages!
[18:43] <diddledan> their latest twatting reports "#SourceForge site is read-only, developer services disabled due to storage infra fault. Service restoral work in-progress, ETA to follow" - that account has a nice message in it's description that states "For support, see ticket/IRC/email information on http://sourceforge.net/support/" the support url is also offline when they're in static mode
[18:44] <diddledan> that twit was 17 hours ago btw
[18:45] <knightwise> ok , switching Nagios over to Sendemail
[19:42] <foobarry> nagios is the lynchpin of an IT infrastructure knightwise
[19:42] <foobarry> adagios is based on it, lets you do a bit more
[20:48] <ball> It's +33C out.
[20:48] <ball> (hotter than that if you believe my car's thermometer)
[20:48] <daftykins> erk :S
[20:49] <ball> Actually nice to get back to the office. At least they have air conditioning turned on.
[20:49] <daftykins> :D
[20:50] <ball> The A/C in my car hasn't worked since the autumn.
[20:51] <ball> I should probably get that fixed. For now I drive with my window down and hang out of the window like a dog.
[20:51] <brobostigon> :(
[20:51] <ball> ...with my tongue flapping in the breeze
[20:55] <ball> Erm... suddenly it's raining.
[20:55] <ball> Perhaps that'll cool things down a bit.
[20:56]  * brobostigon drools, yes please, cool weather.
[20:57] <daftykins> confirmed ball: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUSXqjwbaUH8R68sDb6ymZ3tmWr6R3IUM0HkT-KQ4oPhbNuJIx
[20:57] <daftykins> :D
[20:59] <daftykins> wow 33MB file copy to a flash drive taking multiple minutes
[21:00] <diddledan> I've been copying off an external drive since yesterday
[21:00] <diddledan> (several TeeBees)
[21:01] <daftykins> ;_;
[21:06] <ball> I backed up some files from my work laptop today. I'm told they'll be replacing the hard disk within the next fortnight.
[21:06] <daftykins> it's a corsair GT flash drive too, hmm i'll nuked it in a tick and see what's up
[21:06] <ball> (and supposedly upgrading the RAM)
[21:07] <daftykins> ball: something up with it?
[21:07] <diddledan> daftykins: maybe it's dead :-p
[21:07] <diddledan> daftykins: you do seem to attract dead disk
[21:07] <diddledan> disks*
[21:08] <ball> daftykins: It's fine but my colleague badgered them to upgrade his so they're upgrading mine too.
[21:08] <ball> ...so they're upgrading it and fitting an SSD.
[21:08] <daftykins> nice :D
[21:08] <daftykins> will it be your first?
[21:08] <ball> Yes.
[21:08] <diddledan> virgin!
[21:08] <daftykins> you won't know yourself! :)
[21:09] <daftykins> a wild shauno!
[21:09] <daftykins> hi sir
[21:09] <ball> It's my work laptop. I suppose it means the laptop will boot quickly. Sadly the equipment I work on takes about five minutes to boot and we're not putting SSDs in those.
[21:09] <shauno> greetings humans
[21:09] <ball> ...and about 45 minutes to upgrade the firmware.
[21:09] <diddledan> I need to pull the disk out of my other pc - it's either dead or the mobo is
[21:10] <ball> I'll probably pull the hard disk out of my wife's desktop PC tonight.
[21:10] <ball> ...and see whether her Mac can read the disk.
[21:11] <daftykins> NTFS? macs read but don't write at all, iirc
[21:11] <ball> That's fine. Read-only would be my preferred choice anyway.
[21:13] <daftykins> so she went to the dark side, eh?
[21:14] <ball> She was using Ubuntu for about a month. Her exact words were "I don't know what this is but I hate it".
[21:14] <ball> Interestingly she didn't complain last time I had her running Xubuntu for a while.
[21:16] <popey> bah
[21:16] <popey> flying home tomorrow :(
[21:16] <ball> Interestingly I didn't mind it.
[21:17] <ball> popey: Where are you now?
[21:17] <popey> portugal
[21:17] <ball> Ah, my sister has been there.
[21:17] <popey> its lovely
[21:17] <daftykins> i still have my guest from the US
[21:18] <ball> daftykins: Where is he or she from?
[21:18] <daftykins> she's from Houston, Texas :)
[21:18] <daftykins> so quite the change to come to a wee island
[21:44]  * ball nods
[21:44] <ball> I can relate to the shock.
[21:48] <ball> It took some getting used to when I moved to the U.S.
[21:52] <daftykins> :)
[22:59] <diddledan> I wrote a go-lang program to provide a uniform mechanism for uploading to an sftp-only server we have to use for one of our clients. It does sftp and works on windows, mac and linux without any changes to the code.
[23:00] <diddledan> I got moaned-at for originally having it on github :-(
[23:00] <diddledan> specifically because it had a hardcoded ip and port number