[03:14] hi guys [03:14] hey diddledan [03:14] you sen any of it [04:39] graceland then bed === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [08:38] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Yellow Pig Day! 😃 [08:42] Yo peeps [08:51] foobarry: how? [09:11] morning boys and girls. [09:12] * knightwork waves at brobostigon [09:12] * brobostigon waves back at knightwork [09:13] * zmoylan-pi starts mexican wave with self.... holds fan to get breeze going... [09:15] hmmm :) Weekend project : http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/turn-raspberry-pi-network-monitoring-tool/ [09:17] wife complained that our sonos cuts out from time to time .. going to monitor it [09:48] JamesTait: what is today I only just got my server back so missed it :) [09:54] davmor2: Yesterday's demo went well. People really liked byobu. [09:55] TwistedLucidity: \o/ [09:55] Although we did manage to break it [09:55] TwistedLucidity: haha sounds about right file a bug :) [09:55] Well, one person did. They managed to spawn multiple tmux sessions and got everything into a bit of a fankle. [09:56] Yeah, if I can reliably recreate it, I will. [09:56] TwistedLucidity: if you have raid anywhere did you know it can monitor it on byobu too? [09:56] TwistedLucidity: there is a huge array of things you can do on that bottom bar that most people don't know about :) [09:57] Oh, neat. Did not know that. All I was really doing was a run through of screen, tmux, byobu and dvtm+dtach [09:57] TwistedLucidity: :) [09:58] TwistedLucidity: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man1/byobu.1.html [09:58] davmor2: Why do I need man pages when I have you? :-P [09:59] TwistedLucidity: because that gives all the plugins :) [10:06] popey: post #631 in a massive thread of course ;) http://www.modaco.com/topic/373642-how-to-root-your-hudl-2/?p=2258980 [10:09] windows only though. which sucks [10:11] davmor2, today is Yellow Pig Day. Something to do with mathemeticians and the number 17, apparently. [10:11] thats the handy thing about newer version of CM, you have a switch in dev options, and your can turn off/on app/adb rooting/unrooting at will. [10:12] supersu does that too [10:12] foobarry: haha. that original useless thread [10:12] foobarry: certainly. [10:12] if i want to watch 4od i have to turn off root with supersu [10:13] yep. [10:13] popey: you mean it started off useless and actually had something useful? [10:13] not sure how it works. usually i lose data when i root [10:14] or unlock bootlader [10:14] JamesTait: Sound more like flying pig day [10:17] not sure i should be watching black hawk down while in bed with a sick bug [10:19] yes foobarry [10:23] yeah, and the reason that most people are rooting? to disable the loud startup noise. [10:24] i might pick up a second one for hacking [10:24] sam uses mine [10:24] now £99 [10:24] Any discount for clubpoints? [10:24] yesh [10:24] half price ! [10:25] £50 in clubcard vouchies [10:25] And for that price, is there a better option? Maybe some no-name jobby? [10:25] can't go wrong [10:25] there are 7 inch ones [10:25] and i saw a lenovo 10 inch on amazon sale t'other sale [10:25] For £50 I guess one can't go wrong. [10:25] apart from the battery life, its great [10:26] even has microsd storage [10:26] Neat. What is the battery life? [10:26] 4-5 hours. standy/screen off battery life is weak too though [10:26] Hrm.... [10:26] hudl2 is way nicer than pretty much any noname [10:26] it won't get an update either [10:27] i get way more than that [10:27] and occasional intel chip bugs [10:29] i watched videos for 9 hrs [10:30] witchcraft [10:31] ok, so grub's apt package's postinst on my 15.04 box is hanging. (grub package version 2.02~beta2-22ubuntu1.1) [10:31] specifically grub-efi-amd64 [10:31] ever tried this ipega 9023 controller? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Bluetooth-Controller-Joystick-Android/dp/B00PJRCANY [10:33] not sure there are enough good games to warrant it (native or emulated) [10:36] aptly is so slow :( [10:36] wifey is using hudl2 here now to do online shop ready for when we get home :) [10:39] anyone used this greenify app for older tablets? [10:41] Can you root hudl2 yet? [10:41] * awilkins reads up [10:42] Intriguing [10:42] Is it nicer than a Nexus 7 when you stick CM on it though [10:42] tldr; yes, easily [10:42] (2012 N7( [10:42] 8.3 inch screen makes a difference for me [10:42] Getting just a little frustrated by the 2012 N7's slow performance [10:46] they all seem to do this [10:46] i wonder if its the storage getting old/slow/bad sectors mapped out [10:47] Friend punted it back to Android 4.4 [10:47] Not sure if that improved it [10:49] how do I get package info about an app not installed? I want to see fmor which repo it comes [10:49] apt-cache policy [10:50] ah perfect, thanks [10:50] np [10:51] i wound a n7 back to 4.4 and wasnt better [10:52] its the flash controller in n7 2012 which sucks Aiui [10:52] Feels like RAM being full, but I guess that would feel the same as an IO problem (Because I think of RAM being full because of swapping which is an IO problem) [10:53] i reflashed my n7 to 5.x [10:53] but only use iy for one thing at a time [10:53] *it [10:54] That's the solution I've adopted... switching between tasks is really slow still [10:54] Even if you close one and open another [10:55] i hate the disposable nature of it all [10:55] so much e-waste [10:55] and nobody addresses it because people keep on buying [10:57] well. not really. we are technically still using them :) [10:58] i want to pick up a cheap arm chromebook for doing arm builds [10:58] ebay have them for 40 quid [10:58] is cross compiling not good enough? [10:59] not always [10:59] Was going to suggest a Raspi2 but I guess 40 quid for something with a screen and a keyboard is pretty competitive [10:59] also fast storage [11:01] popey: which model for 40 quid? [11:03] hp jobbie [11:04] dont have link handy [11:04] they have no charger [11:05] was outbid on a couple last week [11:05] i probably have enough gear [11:06] google is showing results from evernote now :-| [11:06] i currently build stuff on my laptop in chroots [11:07] would rather not build on that machine [11:08] Hrrmph [11:08] Nexus 7 problems : http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/18/googles-nexus-7-tablets-dying-early-possibly-due-to-cheap-memory [11:08] nice [11:08] Apparently kicks in when you fill the RAM up [11:08] And because the software doesn't use TRIM [11:08] the 2013 is a much nicer device in every way [11:08] Not sure if I've ever filled the RAM close to full [11:09] I have 14GB of free space right now but I do like to load videos onto ti [11:09] awilkins: not just the nexus though [11:09] my hp touchpad and wifes samsung glaaxy tab 10.1 went the same way [11:09] factory reset does not resolve it [11:11] Possibly mucking about with manual erasure of userdata partition will fix it : https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=41061#c40 [11:12] I may try this. But it's annoying because then I'll have to reconfigure everything :-( [11:13] i dont think i can root wifey tab [11:14] "Please note that this will not recover your phone from slowness, but helps keeping it fast when you leave it about one gigabytes free space" [11:14] might wanna explore greenify awilkins [11:15] if you can get a recent kernel onto it there is zram [11:15] i have to run fast reboot on my moto g every day too [11:15] 5.0 killed it [11:20] My N4 has loved 5 [11:24] .0 or .1 [11:24] .1.1 [11:27] yeah [11:27] mem leaks in .0 [11:29] Nexus 6 is silly expensive [11:29] Why can't they do another Nexus 4 priced phone... [11:30] the nexus 6 is not worth it [11:30] My only frustration with the 4 now is that using Maps drains the battery faster than it will charge [11:31] And it overheats because they missed out that heat spreader [11:32] If I had to replace my phone today I'd probably get a Moto G 2nd gen [11:32] Oneplus , [11:32] pretty happy with it [11:32] low price , high quality [11:32] One or Two? [11:33] Hmm. I've seen reviews that suggest it has some infuriating issues [11:33] one , [11:34] But £219 for a 64GB maxi-phone-o-tron is pretty good money [11:34] its been working ok , just got jittery once or twice [11:34] i'm running the oneplus os (not cyanogen) [11:34] the oneplus android spin (ice os ? ) [11:34] Isn't it just a forked CM anyway? [11:35] Is it 4.4? [11:35] Specs page says "Cyanogen 11S based on Android 4.4" [11:36] and if memory serves, there is a cyanogen os, based on cm12.1, i think. [11:36] https://oneplus.net/oxygenos [11:36] Ah, yes, the marketing copy is more up to date than the specs [11:37] OxygenOs is the version i'm running [11:51] been using my n4 in the car here with offline gmaps for navigation [12:12] ok. with the hyper-v balloon driver on windows 10 TH1 (10240 some dub as RTM) ubuntu 15.04 gets kernel timeouts [12:12] turning off dynamic memory will fix the issue [12:12] specifically highlighted when os-prober tried to modprobe the xfs module [12:14] this is on a hyper-v generation 2 vm (the efi version) [12:20] i read quite a lot, never read kill a mockingbird. not sure why the hype over the follow up [12:21] it was required reading at wifeys school [12:21] probably in english lit gcse at ours too. [12:21] i hated books i read at school [12:22] even day of triffids until i read it myself [12:22] school had a way of choosing really dull books for syllabus [12:29] I only remember three in specifics. those being "of mice and men", "driving miss daisy" and the staple that is, was, and probably allways will be, "Romeo and Juliet" [12:29] --l [12:31] kes, old man and the sea, other dreary guff [12:31] midsummer nights bore [13:30] You're wondering who I am (secret secret I've got a secret) [13:30] Machine or mannequin (secret secret I've got a secret) [13:30] With parts made in Japan (secret secret I've got a secret) [13:30] I am the modren man [14:11] can any one tell me about logrotate? [14:38] Is there any advantage to having an Ubuntu desktop PC and an Ubuntu Phone? [14:38] (do they work well together?) [14:41] imagine os in our hand? === BOFH is now known as Guest33080 [14:42] bujji: I'm not sure what that means. [16:02] ²evenin [16:04] what's all this 'ere then [16:18] Nuffin officer. [16:18] These 'ere firewalls had 'oles in 'em when I got 'ere. [16:20] now get 'ome to your mother before i clip your ear you ruffian [16:20] Mother's inside baggin' the storage array... [16:21] dibs on the ups [16:22] In desperation, I've just fired up the corporate computer-based training bilge. [16:23] Oh joy, this one's about SharePoint. [16:23] please ensure you are using ie5 [16:24] * ball grins [16:24] i think i know where i have that on 5.25" disks [16:24] You've just reminded me that the first time I installed Linux it came on a stack of 1200K 5.25" floppies. [16:26] i used recycled aol floppies [16:37] :D [16:48] At least it didn't come on a DC600A [16:50] I'm having problems trying to install .tar.xz files [16:50] & it's the linux kernel [16:50] I'm not an Linux person I'm more of a Windows person [16:51] ryan18456: Are you trying to install a special kernel? [16:51] this is the one that just got banned from #ubuntu for being obnoxious [16:51] ryan18456: a .tar.xz is an archive file, compressed (like zip or rar files) [16:51] daftykins: Thanks. [16:52] *tips hat* [16:52] daftykins: shh & leave me alone, I'm trying to upgrade my linux Kernel here lol [16:52] ball: It's the latest up-to-date kernel from here: https://www.kernel.org/ [16:52] i already told you not to speak to people like that. [16:53] why do you want to? [16:53] have you been told by someone that upgrading will make everything better (TM) ? [16:53] MartijnVdS: OK, any suggestions for me to install it or no? [16:54] ryan18456: you don't "install" those files, you extract them. But I agree with daftykins -- kernels aren't magic: what is the problem you're trying to solve? [16:54] MartijnVdS: Updating my kernel duh? [16:54] you have to understand that newer kernels are not like keeping a smartphone or Windows PC 'patched', you're just going to complicate matters. [16:54] yep there's more of that rude attitude. [16:55] Anyways [16:55] Any idea's or not? [16:55] ryan18456: lots of ideas, but no idea why you'd want to do what you're trying to do [16:56] MartijnVdS: OMFG install the kernel! [16:56] ryan18456: that's that what. I'm asking for the why. [16:56] ryan18456: you have to justify it to get help essentially, as once a newer kernel is on it's not ubuntu anymore - which means you can't really ask for help in here. [16:56] * daftykins silences his teenager alarm [16:56] daftykins: that or the helpdesk proxy... [16:56] MartijnVdS: because I want to, it's my PC lol [16:57] ryan18456: you don't need to. Even though it's your PC [16:57] :) [16:57] MartijnVdS: yes I do [16:57] you're not going to get very far in life hiding your intentions :) [16:58] daftykins: and your German ;) no wonder you lost 2 world wars ;) [16:58] who runs eu now? :-) [16:58] masterblaster^Wmerkel [16:58] ryan18456: being connected to the kornbluth server hosted in Germany does not make me a German person - but i'd suggest you stop trying to be bias about where people come from [16:59] * ball waits patiently for ryan18456 to get himself kicked. [16:59] daftykins: Yawn! :D [16:59] yes my sentiments exactly. [16:59] None of you are goingto him [16:59] ryan18456: your childish attitude is why you will not get any effective help in these channels, wise up in future or you'll never get anywhere. [17:00] daftykins: Shut up you nob and go play with your kid toys and Rubbish and worst techincal support I've ever had in mylife [17:00] That ought to do it. [17:08] "Shut up you nob" quite British [17:08] BSKYB customer [17:13] Shame you can't get the region from their DNS names like you can with Virgin [17:14] could hazard a guess at their age mind... [17:33] hello [17:33] hi [17:33] can any one tell me logrotate [17:34] what about logrotate? [17:34] that is i am asking [17:36] suppose you have /var/log/apache2/error.log [17:36] okey [17:37] i assume that catalina.out ) [17:37] logrotate can be configured so that you end up with todays errors in error.log, yesterdays logs in error.log.1, the day before in error.log.2 [17:37] plus various other things like backing up old logs or just deleting them [17:37] so that the drive doesn't fill up with logs [17:38] how i can use that with your example like.. [17:38] error.log [17:39] error.log.1 in place error.log.$(date) [17:42] KrimZon:o/ [17:43] i'm not sure [17:44] bujji: read up :) [17:44] google logrotate with date in filename [17:44] daftykins:iwant to create script for this .. [17:45] bujji: and? [17:45] why highlight me with that [17:46] i gave just reply dafty [17:47] k [17:48] http://linuxers.org/howto/howto-use-logrotate-manage-log-files i found this dafty [17:49] ok, but it's you learning it, not me? [17:50] ookey, [17:52] where the file will be created ? [17:54] usually in the same directory as the original file [17:59] inside loggrotate.d i need to create file? [18:07] KrimZon:hey [18:07] daftykins:o/ :) [18:08] i don't know off the top of my head [18:08] bujji: no [18:09] whats up how is the weekend dafty [18:11] daftykins:watch bahubali movie:) [18:13] can you give me more info on "bios" dafty... [18:13] no [18:18] evning [18:18] evening** [18:19] hello sir [18:19] what's new? [18:19] new is when something is very recent :-p [18:20] not much going on here (serious reply) [18:20] tis a friday, enjoy it [18:21] oh the ironies: http://i.imgur.com/cRXu0dO.gif [18:21] the weekend stretching ahead of you [18:21] hello again [18:22] diddledan, got my ubiquiti edgerouter :) [18:23] watch bahubali movie [18:25] http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/07/doomception-how-modders-got-doom-to-run-inside-of-doom/ [18:25] m0nkey_: coolbeans! \o/ [18:26] diddledan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design [18:26] ali1234: using a different url isn't being responsive [18:27] using a different URL that isn't responsive isn't not responsive [18:27] the mobile site is responsive, you can completely ignore the main site if you want [18:29] hey peeps [18:29] alo [18:29] allo knightwise ** [18:29] anyone played with nagios before ? Trying to get it to send me an email when something goes down [18:29] diddledan: so, yet another new build and no more watermark eh? [18:29] been playing with NagiosPi, looks pretty swell [18:30] daftykins: yeah [18:30] knightwise: the configuration has a lot of boilerplate you need to do and for some reason they insist on it being in many many config files [18:32] its a pretty pre-configured environment (completely pre-cooked image file) so there just may be an error with the mail server or something , not sure [18:33] hey diddledan, these edgerouter poe's are only supposed to come with a 24V adapter for powering 24V devices off the POE ports.. mine came with a 48V :D [18:36] hmm, sourceforge is offline [18:36] yep , noticed that they are in static mode [18:38] it's nice how their site status page leads to a message that the site status page (and the rest of the site) are offline [18:39] :D [18:39] let that be a lesson to you, your status pages need status pages! [18:43] their latest twatting reports "#SourceForge site is read-only, developer services disabled due to storage infra fault. Service restoral work in-progress, ETA to follow" - that account has a nice message in it's description that states "For support, see ticket/IRC/email information on http://sourceforge.net/support/" the support url is also offline when they're in static mode [18:44] that twit was 17 hours ago btw [18:45] ok , switching Nagios over to Sendemail [19:42] nagios is the lynchpin of an IT infrastructure knightwise [19:42] adagios is based on it, lets you do a bit more [20:48] It's +33C out. [20:48] (hotter than that if you believe my car's thermometer) [20:48] erk :S [20:49] Actually nice to get back to the office. At least they have air conditioning turned on. [20:49] :D [20:50] The A/C in my car hasn't worked since the autumn. [20:51] I should probably get that fixed. For now I drive with my window down and hang out of the window like a dog. [20:51] :( [20:51] ...with my tongue flapping in the breeze [20:55] Erm... suddenly it's raining. [20:55] Perhaps that'll cool things down a bit. [20:56] * brobostigon drools, yes please, cool weather. [20:57] confirmed ball: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUSXqjwbaUH8R68sDb6ymZ3tmWr6R3IUM0HkT-KQ4oPhbNuJIx [20:57] :D [20:59] wow 33MB file copy to a flash drive taking multiple minutes [21:00] I've been copying off an external drive since yesterday [21:00] (several TeeBees) [21:01] ;_; [21:06] I backed up some files from my work laptop today. I'm told they'll be replacing the hard disk within the next fortnight. [21:06] it's a corsair GT flash drive too, hmm i'll nuked it in a tick and see what's up [21:06] (and supposedly upgrading the RAM) [21:07] ball: something up with it? [21:07] daftykins: maybe it's dead :-p [21:07] daftykins: you do seem to attract dead disk [21:07] disks* [21:08] daftykins: It's fine but my colleague badgered them to upgrade his so they're upgrading mine too. [21:08] ...so they're upgrading it and fitting an SSD. [21:08] nice :D [21:08] will it be your first? [21:08] Yes. [21:08] virgin! [21:08] you won't know yourself! :) === shauno_ is now known as shauno [21:09] a wild shauno! [21:09] hi sir [21:09] It's my work laptop. I suppose it means the laptop will boot quickly. Sadly the equipment I work on takes about five minutes to boot and we're not putting SSDs in those. [21:09] greetings humans [21:09] ...and about 45 minutes to upgrade the firmware. [21:09] I need to pull the disk out of my other pc - it's either dead or the mobo is [21:10] I'll probably pull the hard disk out of my wife's desktop PC tonight. [21:10] ...and see whether her Mac can read the disk. [21:11] NTFS? macs read but don't write at all, iirc [21:11] That's fine. Read-only would be my preferred choice anyway. [21:13] so she went to the dark side, eh? [21:14] She was using Ubuntu for about a month. Her exact words were "I don't know what this is but I hate it". [21:14] Interestingly she didn't complain last time I had her running Xubuntu for a while. [21:16] bah [21:16] flying home tomorrow :( [21:16] Interestingly I didn't mind it. [21:17] popey: Where are you now? [21:17] portugal [21:17] Ah, my sister has been there. [21:17] its lovely [21:17] i still have my guest from the US [21:18] daftykins: Where is he or she from? [21:18] she's from Houston, Texas :) [21:18] so quite the change to come to a wee island === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ [21:44] * ball nods [21:44] I can relate to the shock. [21:48] It took some getting used to when I moved to the U.S. [21:52] :) [22:59] I wrote a go-lang program to provide a uniform mechanism for uploading to an sftp-only server we have to use for one of our clients. It does sftp and works on windows, mac and linux without any changes to the code. [23:00] I got moaned-at for originally having it on github :-( [23:00] specifically because it had a hardcoded ip and port number === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_