=== m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ [02:18] Hi all === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [07:50] rm: cannot remove ‘Year Wise Finance Data.lnk’: Read-only file system [08:38] morning boys and girls. [12:17] Good morning peeps :) [12:22] hi bigcalm [12:25] aloha [14:14] afternoon [14:20] afternoodlings diddledan [14:21] noodlings, eh? /me gets his camera [14:23] * brobostigon is the noodle monster. [14:24] pastafarian? [14:26] that reminds me, i am making pasta for me and my gf for dinner this evening. [14:26] \o/ [14:26] :) [14:32] * brobostigon needs to get the ragu started pretty soon then. [14:39] supposedly asking siri to "charge phone 100%" will make her call the emergency services [14:40] lolz [15:19] \o/ home [15:20] :) [15:22] wb popey [15:32] ooh, divergent series: insurgent is available for purchase on tuesday [15:32] I enjoyed the first one [15:33] I'm a bit of a fan of teen-fiction even though I'm somewhat older than teen these days === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ [16:33] Ever since I've installed the latest Linux 4.1.2 Kernel my PC has been going mad, I'm a Windows user and not a Linux/Ubuntu user this is all new to me if you fully understand me :) [16:33] In other words how can I restore the old kernel back, if you get me :) [16:35] rlw980: how did you install 4.1? [16:35] (also why) [16:35] directhex: I sent you the URL now where & how I installed it [16:36] ...uh? [16:37] directhex: bascally I covertered it from tar.xz to a .deb format, then installed it [16:37] ew [16:37] ye gods [16:37] you probably don't want to do that [16:37] err [16:38] how do you convert a tar.gz to deb [16:38] xz** [16:38] I've done it, any suggestions or tips #ubuntu-uk [16:38] yeah, don't do that :) [16:38] is it even compiled in the tar.xz? [16:38] diddledan: I've delete it now [16:38] what was the motivation for going to 4.1? [16:38] diddledan: the "alien" command converts between packaging formats [16:39] popey: keeping up-to-date (like Windows) [16:39] directhex: but .tar.xz isn't a binary "package" (usually) [16:39] its not really necessary unless there's some hardware or software feature you're after [16:39] rlw980: sounds more like you copy-pasted notskrnl.exe from windows 10 to windows 7, and are now having weird issues for some reason [16:39] what guide did you follow? [16:39] *ntoskrnl [16:40] diddledan: arch uses it, no? [16:40] lol [16:40] diddledan: I'll send you a pastebin.ubuntu.com [16:40] aah === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [16:40] directhex: it might be from slackware :-p [16:40] I'd just be inclined to boot back to your previous kernel, and reconsider why you need 4.1.2 [16:41] It's certainly posible to do [16:41] we have no idea what alien did to the grub config [16:41] just there are some better ways to do it [16:41] doesn't the ubuntu kernel team have a ppa? [16:41] yes [16:41] but yes, it *ought* to still be listed in grub, so just a case of booting back into that kernel & removing the wayward package [16:41] also "going mad" doesn't quite describe any specific problem :) [16:42] I've done that "uname" commands take a look: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11899557/ [16:44] rlw980: people in here have been doing this crap for decades each. please bear in mind that when you're asked a precise question, you need to provide a precise answer [16:45] rlw980: we still have no idea what guide you followed, so have been powerless to provide helpful suggestions for ~10 minutes [16:45] directhex: I'll call techicnal support [16:45] directhex: I hear that. I was messing with gentoo when I was in diapers :-p [16:45] sigh. is that 2 or 3 strikes? [16:46] err. this _is_ technical support (alternatively #ubuntu for a more populated technical support) [16:46] diddledan: no it's not it's all text based chat and Microsoft has better tech support and some of them are lol. :P [16:46] diddledan: "technical support" isn't based on telepathy or omniscience. specific questions still need specific answers. [16:46] 3 strikes. i'm done. [16:47] rlw980: we're trying to help [16:47] rlw980: but you're not helping us help you. [16:47] rlw980: I'm not sure microsoft's technical support will be able to help you in this case [16:49] Yes they will if I'm removing Ubuntu & go back to Windows 8.1 more professional and all I want to do it get rid of linux kernel 4.1.2 and put the old one that was one Ubuntu 15.04 no I want professional techincal support [16:49] * diddledan facepalms [16:50] here you go. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/clean-install [16:50] \o/ [16:50] rlw980: we have asked you numerous questions which you've completly avoided answering. No technical support (professional or otherwise) can help you. [16:51] popey: none of you are professinoal's anyway :') [16:51] lol [16:51] My day job is working on Ubuntu [16:51] So yeah, I am. [16:51] the next generation, ladies & gentlemen. [16:51] Most of the other people are also profesional developers, operations experts or tech support people. [16:52] popey: Ubuntu is spyware lol [16:52] grr [16:52] Tha'ts what I got told [16:52] i'm a professional griefer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr2Bc5qMhE4 [16:52] FUD [16:52] rlw980: feel free to use something else. [16:52] yey, freebsd :D [16:53] popey: I'm think about that now, if I can't restore my old kernel back [16:53] Can we start again? [16:53] we still haven't started. [16:53] 17:35 rlw980: how did you install 4.1? [16:53] OK [16:53] Sure. What guide did you follow? [16:53] that's where you got stuck. [16:54] directhex: Right I got the latest and stable version 4.1.2 from here - https://www.kernel.org/ [16:54] directhex: after that I googled how to install the kernel [16:54] I'm trying to find the website that helped me [16:55] Please bear with me :) [16:55] well, that's more info than we had before [16:56] directhex: I installed a couple of tools [16:56] * brobostigon is the nostalgic BeOS/haiku nut, :D [16:56] make-kpkg? [16:56] called fakeroot, alien &kernel-package [16:56] right, ok. [16:57] Found it! :D the website that helped me install 4.1.2 and even though that this website says 3.12 I followed ever steps [16:57] http://www.tecmint.com/kernel-compilation-in-debian-linux/ [16:58] and yes I used make-kpkg [16:58] fairly easy, then. it didn't *replace* your old kernel, it installed alongside it [16:58] directhex: I deleted the old kernel though :/ [16:58] yeah, don't do that [16:59] well, reinstall that package [16:59] diddledan: I've done it [16:59] Shall I go root on term "sudo -i" and type this command in "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-(non-working-kernel)" [16:59] apt-get install linux-image-generic [17:00] directhex: what about the 4.1.2 kernel [17:00] apt-get remove it [17:00] command please [17:00] rlw980: put the old kernel back; boot into the old kernel; remove your 4.1 [17:00] in that order [17:00] Oh right :/ [17:00] yeah don't remove the 4.1 until you're sure you can boot the old kernel [17:01] diddledan: Oh right umm -faces palms- I removed it :( [17:01] What now [17:01] reinstall it [17:01] directhex gave you the command for that [17:01] diddledan: didn't [17:02] so this is a figment of my imagination?: apt-get install linux-image-generic [17:02] as [17:02] root [17:02] or [17:02] not [17:02] actually [17:02] sudo* [17:02] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ [17:02] that will put back anything you removed [17:02] popey: that's a good plan [17:03] note the caret on the end [17:03] * popey goes back to cooking [17:03] * diddledan likes carrots [17:03] right [17:03] I'v [17:03] e [17:03] I'm currently doing "apt-get install linux-image-generic" [17:03] that'll do [17:04] Then what do I do after that, do I remove 4.1.2-customkernel one then? [17:04] * brobostigon also notes, his spacebar is not a replacement for good punctuation. [17:04] brobostigon: you mean the enter-key [17:04] diddledan: yes that, :) [17:04] :-p [17:05] I still want to find the "any" key [17:05] rlw980: after that, you reboot into the old one. you should get a menu at boot-time for which kernel to use [17:05] directhex: I'll be get rid of 4.1.2 one [17:05] no [17:05] Yes [17:05] we said not to do that already [17:05] 18:00 rlw980: put the old kernel back; boot into the old kernel; remove your 4.1 [17:05] 18:00 in that order [17:05] My PC [17:06] I've told you I've remove it already lol :P [17:06] ffs [17:06] i'm out again. [17:06] this is why i quit tech support [17:06] diddledan: should you be on #ubuntu-us? [17:07] err.. why? [17:07] lol [17:07] diddledan: because your from US ain't you [17:07] lmfao :') [17:07] not that I'm aware? [17:07] OK [17:10] directhex: your not eben tech supoort ffs I've told you this this isn't tech support your all beginners [17:10] its a chat [17:10] insulting people trying to help you isn't a good way to garner their advice [17:10] i spent 11 years doing tech support, including 6 years on linux-powered supercomputers [17:10] but sure, kid, whatever turns you on [17:11] directhex: Linux is the s*ittiest OS ever & yeah aha next joke :) [17:12] * brobostigon buryies his head in his hands. [17:12] there has never, NEVER been a single thing of value or substance submitted to IRC via a web gateway [17:12] i agree, most people who really use irc, use a proper client like irssi, for example. [17:12] * zleap uses hexcha [17:13] web gateways and proxies are very good at hiding ones-self. [17:13] and are used on purpose. [17:13] web intercaces are fine but if you close a tab or window you lose connection [17:13] hence i said zleap, use a real client like irssi. [17:13] oh web gateway [17:14] i have irssi for the console [17:14] :) [17:18] we should probably punt all new support requests to #ubuntu as a rule [17:18] Problem is we're pretty good at support :( === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ [17:19] oh well, :( [17:19] you couldn't pay me to help out in #ubuntu [17:20] well... maybe if i got double what i get at xamarin [17:26] my gf might get a free pebble in the future, she offered to buy me an upgrade for my birthday, :) [17:26] brobostigon: birthdays ftw! [17:26] diddledan: in 9 days, :) [17:27] if anyone is in north oxfordshire, boozeup day, :) [17:27] tis a shame xamarin don't do an ubuntu-touch offering :-p [17:28] and I guess firefoxos is completely out of the question [17:28] both have the same issue for me, which would otherwise be an option for me, xmpp client, and pushover/pushbullet client. [17:29] make them an option* [17:30] I'm not sure how firefoxos works with ongoing network requirements - probably just shuts them down as soon as the app isn't foreground [17:31] I also think ubuntu does the same [17:31] so for things like xmpp you need a pushing proxy [17:32] i.e. server connects to xmpp on your behalf and pushes stuff to your phone [17:33] due to the techy nature of ubuntu's current audience it'ld be nice if there was a way of having an IRC connection that can be maintained even when the viewing app is suspended [17:34] the problem with that is battery life tho [17:34] afaict ubuntu's current model is awesome for baattery [17:34] I hear that when the screen is off it barely uses battery at all [17:34] unlike android [17:36] directhex: regarding xamarin: I thought when ms announced visual studio community that miguel also said that xamarin would support it with a free version of the mono+vs plugin? [17:37] no idea. i don't deal with the Products [17:37] I haven't seen that happen, so I'm wondering if I imagined it [17:37] * brobostigon looks that up, xmpp proxy. [17:38] directhex: oh well, worth a try :-p [17:40] odd. it seems that the official "starter edition" page lists visual studio but if you move from there to the paid "indie" you lose it [17:41] ref: https://store.xamarin.com <-- indie listed as not having visual studio, but: https://xamarin.com/starter <-- says it's part of starter [17:41] so you pay for a lesser package? [17:41] although unlimited app size [19:49] I've just posted a question to windows insider fora: http://www.pastebin.ca/3066719 (expires in 1 hour) [19:51] I posted that under the title "Confusion or Misinformation about the upgradeability to 10240" :-D [19:54] it's entirely possible they've not decided or are as confused as you [19:54] indeed. hence why I asked the question for a once-and-for-all answer [20:00] I've twittered @gabeaul :-p [20:01] someone just replied on the forum: Thumbs up. (both) [20:01] lol [20:02] hm. your jokes are getting worse? [20:02] ? [20:03] shauno: not a joke. I'm running windows :-p [20:03] diddledan: poor man [20:07] lol [20:20] don't you love spam? "My name is Lucy. I am 25 years old. I am from Chongqing. I like your page. How often do you visit the site? I really want to communicate with you. I am good at Thai massage and really like to eat fish. What about you? I guess that we will have many topics to talk about." [20:20] I wonder which "the site" she means? [20:21] the site of my previous lover's death? (hint, she's in the basement! :-p) [21:20] hahaha [21:20] love it [21:20] diddledan, :D [21:46] summer's weird. it's almost light out, and mapps is here already [21:48] :-p [21:51] also, speaking of spam, I got a rather explicit spam from someone calling themselves Mildred. It stuck out that Mildred is very possibly the least sexy name it could have generated [21:52] lmao [21:55] in other news, I have sunburns! which after 9 years in Ireland, I'm oddly proud of. [21:57] twitter: "be thankful tonight - that the stars are shining and the moon is bright. And the man in the garden wearing a hockey mask doesn't have a key" [21:57] \o/ irish sunburn! [21:58] fun week on the water. tuesday and weds burnt me to a crisp, thursday soaked me to the bone, and friday blew me sideways [21:59] and we sank a pub! [21:59] \o/ [22:08] it was oddly funny. we found a great gastropub with no corkage fee. so we stocked up at tesco, went to the pub and ordered food [22:08] starters came, and then they burst a pipe in the kitchen and flooded out [22:09] so we were left wandering around dun laoghaire in lashing rain with 3 bottles of wine and nae foods [22:09] :-( [22:09] \o/ for the wine tho