[02:18] <mapwrk> Hi all
[07:50] <bujji> rm: cannot remove ‘Year Wise Finance Data.lnk’: Read-only file system
[08:38] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:22] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[12:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:14] <diddledan> afternoon
[14:20] <brobostigon> afternoodlings diddledan
[14:21] <diddledan> noodlings, eh? /me gets his camera
[14:23]  * brobostigon is the noodle monster.
[14:24] <diddledan> pastafarian?
[14:26] <brobostigon> that reminds me, i am making pasta for me and my gf for dinner this evening.
[14:26] <diddledan> \o/
[14:26] <brobostigon> :)
[14:32]  * brobostigon needs to get the ragu started pretty soon then.
[14:39] <diddledan> supposedly asking siri to "charge phone 100%" will make her call the emergency services
[14:40] <brobostigon> lolz
[15:19] <popey> \o/ home
[15:20] <brobostigon> :)
[15:22] <diddledan> wb popey
[15:32] <diddledan> ooh, divergent series: insurgent is available for purchase on tuesday
[15:32] <diddledan> I enjoyed the first one
[15:33] <diddledan> I'm a bit of a fan of teen-fiction even though I'm somewhat older than teen these days
[16:33] <rlw980> Ever since I've installed the latest Linux 4.1.2 Kernel my PC has been going mad, I'm a Windows user and not a Linux/Ubuntu user this is all new to me if you fully understand me :)
[16:33] <rlw980> In other words how can I restore the old kernel back, if you get me :)
[16:35] <directhex> rlw980: how did you install 4.1?
[16:35] <popey> (also why)
[16:35] <rlw980> directhex: I sent you the URL now where & how I installed it
[16:36] <directhex> ...uh?
[16:37] <rlw980> directhex: bascally I covertered it from tar.xz to a .deb format, then installed it
[16:37] <popey> ew
[16:37] <directhex> ye gods
[16:37] <popey> you probably don't want to do that
[16:37] <diddledan> err
[16:38] <diddledan> how do you convert a tar.gz to deb
[16:38] <diddledan> xz**
[16:38] <rlw980> I've done it, any suggestions or tips #ubuntu-uk
[16:38] <popey> yeah, don't do that :)
[16:38] <diddledan> is it even compiled in the tar.xz?
[16:38] <rlw980> diddledan: I've delete it now
[16:38] <popey> what was the motivation for going to 4.1?
[16:38] <directhex> diddledan: the "alien" command converts between packaging formats
[16:39] <rlw980> popey: keeping up-to-date (like Windows)
[16:39] <diddledan> directhex: but .tar.xz isn't a binary "package" (usually)
[16:39] <popey> its not really necessary unless there's some hardware or software feature you're after
[16:39] <directhex> rlw980: sounds more like you copy-pasted notskrnl.exe from windows 10 to windows 7, and are now having weird issues for some reason
[16:39] <popey> what guide did you follow?
[16:39] <directhex> *ntoskrnl
[16:40] <directhex> diddledan: arch uses it, no?
[16:40] <diddledan> lol
[16:40] <rlw980> diddledan: I'll send you a pastebin.ubuntu.com
[16:40] <diddledan> aah
[16:40] <diddledan> directhex: it might be from slackware :-p
[16:40] <popey> I'd just be inclined to boot back to your previous kernel, and reconsider why you need 4.1.2
[16:41] <popey> It's certainly posible to do
[16:41] <directhex> we have no idea what alien did to the grub config
[16:41] <popey> just there are some better ways to do it
[16:41] <diddledan> doesn't the ubuntu kernel team have a ppa?
[16:41] <popey> yes
[16:41] <directhex> but yes, it *ought* to still be listed in grub, so just a case of booting back into that kernel & removing the wayward package
[16:41] <popey> also "going mad" doesn't quite describe any specific problem :)
[16:42] <rlw980> I've done that "uname" commands take a look: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11899557/
[16:44] <directhex> rlw980: people in here have been doing this crap for decades each. please bear in mind that when you're asked a precise question, you need to provide a precise answer
[16:45] <directhex> rlw980: we still have no idea what guide you followed, so have been powerless to provide helpful suggestions for ~10 minutes
[16:45] <rlw980> directhex: I'll call techicnal support
[16:45] <diddledan> directhex: I hear that. I was messing with gentoo when I was in diapers :-p
[16:45] <directhex> sigh. is that 2 or 3 strikes?
[16:46] <diddledan> err. this _is_ technical support (alternatively #ubuntu for a more populated technical support)
[16:46] <rlw980> diddledan: no it's not it's all text based chat and Microsoft has better tech support and some of them are lol. :P
[16:46] <directhex> diddledan: "technical support" isn't based on telepathy or omniscience. specific questions still need specific answers.
[16:46] <directhex> 3 strikes. i'm done.
[16:47] <popey> rlw980: we're trying to help
[16:47] <popey> rlw980: but you're not helping us help you.
[16:47] <diddledan> rlw980: I'm not sure microsoft's technical support will be able to help you in this case
[16:49] <rlw980> Yes they will if I'm removing Ubuntu & go back to Windows 8.1 more professional and all I want to do it get rid of linux kernel 4.1.2 and put the old one that was one Ubuntu 15.04 no I want professional techincal support
[16:49]  * diddledan facepalms
[16:50] <directhex> here you go. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/clean-install
[16:50] <diddledan> \o/
[16:50] <popey> rlw980: we have asked you numerous questions which you've completly avoided answering. No technical support (professional or otherwise) can help you.
[16:51] <rlw980> popey: none of you are professinoal's anyway :')
[16:51] <rlw980> lol
[16:51] <popey> My day job is working on Ubuntu
[16:51] <popey> So yeah, I am.
[16:51] <directhex> the next generation, ladies & gentlemen.
[16:51] <popey> Most of the other people are also profesional developers, operations experts or tech support people.
[16:52] <rlw980> popey: Ubuntu is spyware lol
[16:52] <diddledan> grr
[16:52] <rlw980> Tha'ts what I got told
[16:52] <directhex> i'm a professional griefer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr2Bc5qMhE4
[16:52] <diddledan> FUD
[16:52] <popey> rlw980: feel free to use something else.
[16:52] <m0nkey_> yey, freebsd :D
[16:53] <rlw980> popey: I'm think about that now, if I can't restore my old kernel back
[16:53] <rlw980> Can we start again?
[16:53] <directhex> we still haven't started.
[16:53] <directhex> 17:35 <directhex> rlw980: how did you install 4.1?
[16:53] <rlw980> OK
[16:53] <popey> Sure. What guide did you follow?
[16:53] <directhex> that's where you got stuck.
[16:54] <rlw980> directhex: Right I got the latest and stable version 4.1.2 from here - https://www.kernel.org/
[16:54] <rlw980> directhex: after that I googled how to install the kernel
[16:54] <rlw980> I'm trying to find the website that helped me
[16:55] <rlw980> Please bear with me :)
[16:55] <directhex> well, that's more info than we had before
[16:56] <rlw980> directhex: I installed a couple of tools
[16:56]  * brobostigon is the nostalgic BeOS/haiku nut, :D
[16:56] <directhex> make-kpkg?
[16:56] <rlw980> called fakeroot, alien &kernel-package
[16:56] <directhex> right, ok.
[16:57] <rlw980> Found it! :D the website that helped me install 4.1.2 and even though that this website says 3.12 I followed ever steps
[16:57] <rlw980> http://www.tecmint.com/kernel-compilation-in-debian-linux/
[16:58] <rlw980> and yes I used make-kpkg
[16:58] <directhex> fairly easy, then. it didn't *replace* your old kernel, it installed alongside it
[16:58] <rlw980> directhex: I deleted the old kernel though :/
[16:58] <diddledan> yeah, don't do that
[16:59] <directhex> well, reinstall that package
[16:59] <rlw980> diddledan: I've done it
[16:59] <rlw980> Shall I go root on term "sudo -i" and type this command in "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-(non-working-kernel)"
[16:59] <directhex> apt-get install linux-image-generic
[17:00] <rlw980> directhex: what about the 4.1.2 kernel
[17:00] <diddledan> apt-get remove it
[17:00] <rlw980> command please
[17:00] <directhex> rlw980: put the old kernel back; boot into the old kernel; remove your 4.1
[17:00] <directhex> in that order
[17:00] <rlw980> Oh  right :/
[17:00] <diddledan> yeah don't remove the 4.1 until you're sure you can boot the old kernel
[17:01] <rlw980> diddledan: Oh right umm -faces palms- I removed it :(
[17:01] <rlw980> What now
[17:01] <diddledan> reinstall it
[17:01] <diddledan> directhex gave you the command for that
[17:01] <rlw980> diddledan: didn't
[17:02] <diddledan> so this is a figment of my imagination?: <directhex>	apt-get install linux-image-generic
[17:02] <rlw980> as
[17:02] <rlw980> root
[17:02] <rlw980> or
[17:02] <rlw980> not
[17:02] <popey> actually
[17:02] <brobostigon> sudo*
[17:02] <popey> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[17:02] <popey> that will put back anything you removed
[17:02] <diddledan> popey: that's a good plan
[17:03] <popey> note the caret on the end
[17:03]  * popey goes back to cooking
[17:03]  * diddledan likes carrots
[17:03] <rlw980> right
[17:03] <rlw980> I'v
[17:03] <rlw980> e
[17:03] <rlw980> I'm currently doing "apt-get install linux-image-generic"
[17:03] <popey> that'll do
[17:04] <rlw980> Then what do I do after that, do I remove 4.1.2-customkernel one then?
[17:04]  * brobostigon also notes, his spacebar is not a replacement for good punctuation.
[17:04] <diddledan> brobostigon: you mean the enter-key
[17:04] <brobostigon> diddledan: yes that, :)
[17:04] <diddledan> :-p
[17:05] <diddledan> I still want to find the "any" key
[17:05] <directhex> rlw980: after that, you reboot into the old one. you should get a menu at boot-time for which kernel to use
[17:05] <rlw980> directhex: I'll be get rid of 4.1.2 one
[17:05] <diddledan> no
[17:05] <rlw980> Yes
[17:05] <diddledan> we said not to do that already
[17:05] <directhex> 18:00 <directhex> rlw980: put the old kernel back; boot into the old kernel; remove your 4.1
[17:05] <directhex> 18:00 <directhex> in that order
[17:05] <rlw980> My PC
[17:06] <rlw980> I've told you I've remove it already lol :P
[17:06] <diddledan> ffs
[17:06] <directhex> i'm out again.
[17:06] <directhex> this is why i quit tech support
[17:06] <rlw980> diddledan: should you be on #ubuntu-us?
[17:07] <diddledan> err.. why?
[17:07] <rlw980> lol
[17:07] <rlw980> diddledan: because your from US ain't you
[17:07] <rlw980> lmfao :')
[17:07] <diddledan> not that I'm aware?
[17:07] <rlw980> OK
[17:10] <rlw980> directhex: your not eben tech supoort ffs I've told you this this isn't tech support your all beginners
[17:10] <rlw980> its a chat
[17:10] <diddledan> insulting people trying to help you isn't a good way to garner their advice
[17:10] <directhex> i spent 11 years doing tech support, including 6 years on linux-powered supercomputers
[17:10] <directhex> but sure, kid, whatever turns you on
[17:11] <rlw980> directhex: Linux is the s*ittiest OS ever & yeah aha next joke :)
[17:12]  * brobostigon buryies his head in his hands.
[17:12] <directhex> there has never, NEVER been a single thing of value or substance submitted to IRC via a web gateway
[17:12] <brobostigon> i agree, most people who really use irc, use a proper client like irssi, for example.
[17:12]  * zleap uses hexcha
[17:13] <brobostigon> web gateways and proxies are very good at hiding ones-self.
[17:13] <brobostigon> and are used on purpose.
[17:13] <zleap> web intercaces are fine but if you close a tab or window you lose connection
[17:13] <brobostigon> hence i said zleap, use a real client like irssi.
[17:13] <zleap> oh web gateway
[17:14] <zleap> i have irssi for the console
[17:14] <brobostigon> :)
[17:18] <popey> we should probably punt all new support requests to #ubuntu as a rule
[17:18] <popey> Problem is we're pretty good at support :(
[17:19] <brobostigon> oh well, :(
[17:19] <directhex> you couldn't pay me to help out in #ubuntu
[17:20] <directhex> well... maybe if i got double what i get at xamarin
[17:26] <brobostigon> my gf might get a free pebble in the future, she offered to buy me an upgrade for my birthday, :)
[17:26] <diddledan> brobostigon: birthdays ftw!
[17:26] <brobostigon> diddledan: in 9 days, :)
[17:27] <brobostigon> if anyone is in north oxfordshire, boozeup day, :)
[17:27] <diddledan> tis a shame xamarin don't do an ubuntu-touch offering :-p
[17:28] <diddledan> and I guess firefoxos is completely out of the question
[17:28] <brobostigon> both have the same issue for me, which would otherwise be an option for me, xmpp client, and pushover/pushbullet client.
[17:29] <brobostigon> make them an option*
[17:30] <diddledan> I'm not sure how firefoxos works with ongoing network requirements - probably just shuts them down as soon as the app isn't foreground
[17:31] <diddledan> I also think ubuntu does the same
[17:31] <diddledan> so for things like xmpp you need a pushing proxy
[17:32] <diddledan> i.e. server connects to xmpp on your behalf and pushes stuff to your phone
[17:33] <diddledan> due to the techy nature of ubuntu's current audience it'ld be nice if there was a way of having an IRC connection that can be maintained even when the viewing app is suspended
[17:34] <diddledan> the problem with that is battery life tho
[17:34] <diddledan> afaict ubuntu's current model is awesome for baattery
[17:34] <diddledan> I hear that when the screen is off it barely uses battery at all
[17:34] <diddledan> unlike android
[17:36] <diddledan> directhex: regarding xamarin: I thought when ms announced visual studio community that miguel also said that xamarin would support it with a free version of the mono+vs plugin?
[17:37] <directhex> no idea. i don't deal with the Products
[17:37] <diddledan> I haven't seen that happen, so I'm wondering if I imagined it
[17:37]  * brobostigon looks that up, xmpp proxy.
[17:38] <diddledan> directhex: oh well, worth a try :-p
[17:40] <diddledan> odd. it seems that the official "starter edition" page lists visual studio but if you move from there to the paid "indie" you lose it
[17:41] <diddledan> ref: https://store.xamarin.com <-- indie listed as not having visual studio, but: https://xamarin.com/starter <-- says it's part of starter
[17:41] <diddledan> so you pay for a lesser package?
[17:41] <diddledan> although unlimited app size
[19:49] <diddledan> I've just posted a question to windows insider fora: http://www.pastebin.ca/3066719 (expires in 1 hour)
[19:51] <diddledan> I posted that under the title "Confusion or Misinformation about the upgradeability to 10240" :-D
[19:54] <penguin42> it's entirely possible they've not decided or are as confused as you
[19:54] <diddledan> indeed. hence why I asked the question for a once-and-for-all answer
[20:00] <diddledan> I've twittered @gabeaul :-p
[20:01] <diddledan> someone just replied on the forum: Thumbs up. (both)
[20:01] <diddledan> lol
[20:02] <shauno> hm.  your jokes are getting worse?
[20:02] <diddledan> ?
[20:03] <diddledan> shauno: not a joke. I'm running windows :-p
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: poor man
[20:07] <diddledan> lol
[20:20] <diddledan> don't you love spam? "My name is Lucy. I am 25 years old. I am from Chongqing. I like your page. How often do you visit the site? I really want to communicate with you. I am good at Thai massage and really like to eat fish. What about you? I guess that we will have many topics to talk about."
[20:20] <diddledan> I wonder which "the site" she means?
[20:21] <diddledan> the site of my previous lover's death? (hint, she's in the basement! :-p)
[21:20] <mapito> hahaha
[21:20] <mapito> love it
[21:20] <mapito> diddledan,  :D
[21:46] <shauno> summer's weird.  it's almost light out, and mapps is here already
[21:48] <diddledan> :-p
[21:51] <shauno> also, speaking of spam, I got a rather explicit spam from someone calling themselves Mildred.  It stuck out that Mildred is very possibly the least sexy name it could have generated
[21:52] <diddledan> lmao
[21:55] <shauno> in other news, I have sunburns!  which after 9 years in Ireland, I'm oddly proud of.
[21:57] <diddledan> twitter: "be thankful tonight - that the stars are shining and the moon is bright. And the man in the garden wearing a hockey mask doesn't have a key"
[21:57] <diddledan> \o/ irish sunburn!
[21:58] <shauno> fun week on the water.  tuesday and weds burnt me to a crisp, thursday soaked me to the bone, and friday blew me sideways
[21:59] <shauno> and we sank a pub!
[21:59] <diddledan> \o/
[22:08] <shauno> it was oddly funny.  we found a great gastropub with no corkage fee.  so we stocked up at tesco, went to the pub and ordered food
[22:08] <shauno> starters came, and then they burst a pipe in the kitchen and flooded out
[22:09] <shauno> so we were left wandering around dun laoghaire in lashing rain with 3 bottles of wine and nae foods
[22:09] <diddledan> :-(
[22:09] <diddledan> \o/ for the wine tho